The DAC Section
These days I feel that when manufacturers put in a built in DAC, they better put a good one in there otherwise may as well skip it altogether. Likewise on the International, I don’t really care for the fact that it does 24/96 or that it has a Cirrus Logic CS4398 inside. At $599, it better offer something comparable to the $300 desktop DACs.
More than just a feature addition, I end up to really appreciate the internal DAC in the International. I like it so much that while I started evaluating the International as an Astell & Kern AK100 pairing, nearing the end of this review I’m mostly using the USB DAC on the International rather than the AK100 player.
Its dimensions, and the way it functions as a USB DAC somehow puts it in the same category as popular entry level USB DACs like the Fiio E7K/E10/E17 or HRT’s HeadStreamer, along with the other players in that category. The big differentiator here is its price, where the International seems steep if you only consider its USB DAC function. Yet it’s definitely the nicest USB DAC/Amp that I’ve come across so far. The DAC is not quite up to par to say the PanAm or the CLAS -dB (used as a USB DAC), but it’s definitely better than the Matrix Mini Portable that’s quite a favorite of mine. And while I love more affordable entry level DACs like the recent Fiio E07K/E09K combo, the International simply sounds more mature, more refined.
The DAC is warm, extremely smooth and free of grain, and the depth in the soundstage is excellent. Like the amplifier section, the DAC sounds extremely mature. It doesn’t try too hard to prove itself with treble details which would usually end up sounding bright. It’s just smooth, pure music, with good three dimensional depth. It’s warm without going too mellow or losing PRaT. The sound is laid back and absolutely non-tiring to listen to.
When paired with the LCD-2, there is something about the combination of its internal DAC paired with the internal amp that strikes such a strong synergy. Although I have the PanAm around and the sound is bigger with the PanAm’s internal DAC and amp, there are times when I like the International’s solid state amplifier section more. And the simplicity of the set up is amazing.
I like the internal DAC so much, in fact, that I prefer playing music through a laptop and the International’s DAC more than using the AK100 as a player (mostly for the smoother treble and better depth, but I realize that people like sparkly treble and they would probably prefer the AK100 as a source).
End Words
The International pairs very well with many different headphones I tried it with, the only exception being the Hifiman HE-400 orthodynamic. For some reason the HE-400 seemed to be underpowered out of the International. The magic with the International, however, lies with the LCD-2 pairing. I just love the pairing, especially out of the International’s DAC. A friend said that ALO’s amps are your best bet if you’re an LCD-2 owner (I think ALO works very closely with Audez’e for tuning their products), but I can’t stop feeling goosebumps about the LCD-2 an International pairing.
For everybody else out there who’s not using the LCD-2, perhaps I can write a more neutral conclusion. I think it’s a solid product. The $599 is not going to buy you an amp that you can brag as having the best clarity, or the best soundstage, or the highest power output. It is not a “wow-this-amp-is-so-spacious” or “wow-listen-to-that-detail!” kind of an amp. The $599 however will buy you a solid performing (and when I say solid, I mean one of the best) multi-function DAC/Amp package (with fully balanced circuitry thrown in).
By the time I’m finishing up this review, you can tell that I’m so in love with ALO’s new amplifier. The solid performance was able to turn my skepticism a 180 degrees. Far more than just an AK100 companion, the International is now my favorite USB DAC/Amp. It’s extremely musical, and it works well with an extremely wide range of headphones and IEMs. I don’t really look for a certain wow-factor when I shop for amps anymore. Something like the International happens to fit the bill: it simply sounds good, and it sounds good with a lot of different headphones. The only “I wish it would…” comment I have is on the charging function. I wish it would charge straight out from the USB port when I’m using it as a DAC.
Kelvin King
How’s the amp compare to the Portaphile 627?
Could you also comment too on Portaphile 627 vs the Continental v3?
Mike
The Portaphile sounds bigger and grander compared to the ALOs. I do find it a little too mellow and too soft for me.
The Continental is less spacious but the sound is cleaner with less grain. With the v3 you get more bass body as well.
Power level, the Portaphile wins.
Spencer Chan
So I gather that the international is connected to your laptop via usb and the ak100 via optical?
How does the ak100 connect to the international? Just normal line out line in?
Mike
The AK I used a mini to mini from the headphone out. Don’t think it has a dedicated line out
Steven
As an amp…
Clas Solo -dB + International / ALO Rx Mk3?
Mike
I think the CLAS was designed to go together with the RX Mk3 (David at CypherLabs confirmed this).
Steven
Acknowledged but for those of us with more money than sense :D, have you compared the International vs RX Mk3 as a headphone amp output for the Solo -db? And conversely single vs balanced ended. Thanks!
Mike
Sorry, Steven but I haven’t. And the store happen to not have any Solos I can test with.
Michael Mercer
I’ve tried them together. To be honest, I actually like the DAC in my Astell&Kern AK100 – so running it w/o a DAC, stacked on The International, is KILLER. As for balanced vs. unbalanced: Great question, as there’s some confusion Ken at ALO and I discussed about balanced. As long as you’re using a balanced input AND output, then its a fully balanced amp (The International) and, IMO – you get far better separation, the sense of dimensionality just springs wide open!! Yeah, unfortunately they’re out of Solos I think…
audiohead
I would agree with Michael, the balanced output seems to have more separation and a wider soundstage. The effect increases when you run the CLAS -dB though the balanced input. An agreeable sensation paired with the LCD-3.
Mike
Thanks for the comments guys.
Glad to see audiohead around too 🙂
shigzeo
RE: balanced vs single ended: It is actually a measurable increase in stereo separation and dynamic range, but that is the case with all balanced vs single ended gear except when the condensers are used incorrectly (i.e., used balanced despite being single ended).
Mike
Thanks for the informative comments, shigzeo
shigzeo
Steven, the MK3 has a more linear output than the International, at least when driving headphones of less than 50Ω. Above 50 and the odds are evened more or less and the International actually puts more power into current dieting cans like the DT880 600Ω. You can turn a pair into desktop speakers with the International, while the MK3 turns them into a pair of strong computer speakers.
If you are an earphone user, consider the MK3. If not, the International is quite the amazing amp. The only area in which the MK3 loses to the Internatonal is output noise. The International is quiet – quieter, in fact, than many IEM-only amps.
Andrew Smith
Hi Mike, another stellar review, so thanks again for being informative and entertaining yet again. Here’s a pertinent question for you, given the same basic functionality, would you opt for the Apex Glacier or the ALO International?
Mike
Thanks, Andrew.
Good question. For me, I’m leaning more and more into a darker sound signature. So that means the ALO.
The Glacier, if you read the review has a more upfront, livelier sound. So it’s a different sound really, and it depends on what people are looking for.
The HD650 for instance, some people feel it’s too slow. The Glacier would be the amp to get. For me the HD650 is fine and I like it even better with the ALO.
shigzeo
That, and the International has a lot more distortion-dodging power than the Glacier does at similar output voltages.
Mike
Thanks, shigzeo!
Fabrice
Would love to hear how it Paris with the K701 (which may not be your favorite I realize). Thanks.
Mike
Hi Fabrice,
Unfortunately I don’t have the AKG around to compare.
Ba Dan
The ALO International can interwork with the Android-powered smartphone Samsung Galaxy S3:
http://www.head-fi.org/t/595071/android-phones-and-usb-dacs/1710#post_9161612
Mike
Yes, thank you. I don’t have an S3 so I can’t try it. My phone is a Nexus and it doesn’t do USB OTG.
Ba Dan
A stock Google Nexus smartphone can interwork with USB DAC using the USB Audio Recorder PRO app available on Play store:
https://play.google.com/store/search?q=+USB+Audio+Recorder+PRO
Just plug and play with a right USB OTG cable!
The OTG cable can be tested using a simpler USB peripheral like a USB mouse.
Mike
Wow that’s awesome!
I’ll give it a try later!
Mike
Sorry, I tried downloading the app and it still doesn’t give me USB OTG support.
Ba Dan
Could you test your Galaxy Nexus with a FiiO E10 firstly?
A FiiO E10 was successfully tested with a Galaxy Nexus using USB Audio Recorder PRO:
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?s=e0ad35bece5df581c504a95775e94470&showtopic=2222840&st=40&p=56905511&#entry56905511
http://audio-head.com/the-international-headphone-ampdac-by-alo-audio/#more-1002
As Audiohead has successfully tested the ALO International with a Galaxy S3 using USB Audio Recorder PRO, may be the USB chip of the Galaxy Nexus doesn’t provide enough power to the ALO International.
How about using a (battery or AC) powered USB hub to be inserted between the Galaxy Nexus and the ALO International?
Mike
I will try it with the E10, which I didn’t have yesterday. I can also test it with the PanAm DAC which should be powered from the PanAm power supply.
Yesterday I tried it using the Matrix Mini Portable and the International and they don’t work.
By the way are you talking about a Samsung Galaxy Nexus or an LG Google Nexus 4? I have the LG and from what I’ve read that phone doesn’t come with OTG support.
Ba Dan
Samsung Galaxy Nexus!
Mike
No wonder! Mine is the LG Google Nexus!
Ba Dan
As long as the USB host is not enabled on the Nexus 4, it can’t work with a USB peripheral like a standard USB DAC.
http://www.head-fi.org/t/595071/android-phones-and-usb-dacs/1170#post_8985601
Ba Dan
By the way, sorry for the confusion!
Trent_D
That does seem kind of odd, as the HE400 should be easier to drive than the LCD2
Mike
In my experience the LCD2 is almost always the easier one to drive.
Michael Mercer
I LOVE my LCD3’s and The International combo – brilliant
Michael Mercer
KILLER review Mike!!!! I LOVE mine too. And I’ve brought my ALO RxMK3-B everywhere! Now w/ the International – I get even more closely connected to the music. A truly balanced amp in that small package, w/ my Astell&Kern AK-100 – finally we CAN say “portable Nirvana”! Excellent work Amigo
Mike
Thank you, Michael. Always love the enthusiasm.
Michael Mercer
sure brotha! Workin on my review right now!!
Ryan
Hi Mike, how does the International compare to the Apex Glacier?
Mike
Ryan,
I think there is a similar question if you check on the earlier comments.
armydicked
I despise Digital, but whattya going to? When Irecently went back to college on my GI Bill, I was STUNNED to see the Paradigm Shift going on around me. I spied 100 GEN M’rs (GENERATION MEDIA) going to class wearing fancy high-end throat CANS hooked to their smart phones—like a bunch of SS Tiger tank Commanders!!! Yes, I saw kids wearing trash like Monster Cable’s $300.00 Dr. Dre ‘GhettoPhones’ but they were also wearing Klipsch & B&Ws & Grados & Bose & Hifi-Man & Sennheiser.
In class, these RUG RATS had the n-e-r-v-e to mock my iBuds/iPhone4S “OLD SCHOOL!!! Whattya want, he’s into Turntables which is totally SICK!!!
I immediately took my scholarship money (I won a $300.00 scholarship, look at me?!!!) and blew it on the first portable cans I could find [BOSE AE2=not bad sounding). The kid in my class then whipped out some ‘Altoids tin’ with a knob on it and told me to ‘JACK IT, old man!!!” I took my Bose AE2 and pluged both into my iPhone 4S and D-A-M-N, what a difference in tone!!! Then this other kid whipped out his Fiio E17 and said ‘What is this, Arts & Crafts? Try a ‘real headphone amp, Mister’.
ME WANTS!!! ME WANTS!!! ME WANTS!!! ME WANTS!!! ME WANTS!!!
What can I say? We Geezer-Americans are all but one Paradigm Shift away from a total mental breakdown!!!
You guys need to set up booths at Community Colleges and ‘school these youngin’s as to the joys of VINYL and good headphones and AIFF vrs Apple Lossless and good portable smartphones-headphone amps-cans combos!!!
disqus_S56v67XeRS
Will the International be able to drive the HE-6?
Trent_D
Mike said the HE-400 felt underpowered on the International. If it doesn’t quite have to juice for the HE-400, no way will it power the beastly HE-6.
Mike
Thanks, Trent
Sung
how about he-500?
L.
If it can’t power the HE-400 stay away from the HE-500
Mike
Yes what L said.
Mike
Nah, I wouldn’t recommend it.
K.
Many thanks for the review and this wonderful (beautiful and insightful!) site. Is it legitimate to pair the DT770 LE with the International? I already have both 🙂
Mike
I don’t remember having tried that combination, but why not if you already have both? 😉
K.
…which leads me to another question…is there a portable headphone or IEMs you would recommend to the traveler, to be paired with the International? Of course, I “want it all”, in the sense that I am hoping for something I can carry around, use on the plane, with different music genres (piano, vocals, concert, melodic pop with guitars, hip hop, electronica…). I found myself taking different headphones with me as function of my mood / music I want to listen to, but I am for instance to be on the road for 3 weeks…thanks in advance for your advice!
Mike
For flying, noise cancelling is almost a must. Try the parrot Zik. Good sound, comfort, NC, wireless, and quite a wide genre bandwidth.
If you want minus the NC or wireless, try the Vmoda M100. Best genre bandwidth in the market today.
K.
Thank you very much Mike. I never thought about considering the Parrot, it seemed to be too gimmicky and complicated. And I was wondering how much buyers were paying for its looks. Prejudices, prejudices…
Not to sidetrack too much from the discussion around the ALO international, but do the Parrot and the VModa pair well with the International?
And what about headphones like the new Philips? It’s always nice to read you and L. when you are excited about a product, it makes one tempted to join in the fun.
Mike
The Parrot is good.. yes I understand we seem to have biases against good looking headphones. 😉
Parrot I would just use with a smartphone and use it wirelessly.
The Vmoda pairs well with the Inter.
The Philips is a great headphone, technically the best among the portables today. But it doesn’t cover different genres as well as the Vmodas. With the Philips, hot recordings will sound hot.
K.
Thanks for your reply Mike. Hearing is believing I guess (i.e. I should probably close my eyes). I will give them both a try. In truth I guess I am a bit of a snob, but aesthetically I am more into an ALO audio type of look.
And pardon my ignorance, but what is a “hot”recording? Can you please give an example? Best, K.
Dave Ulrich
Recordings with strong treble.
Mike
Hot recording is my way of saying recordings with boosted trebles. 🙂
Lots of pop material, especially also Jpop are hot.
Yuanyi Akiduki Xue
I got my International last week and have been listening it with my DT770 LE since then. Coming from Schiit Magni, I would say DT770 LE really shines through the International. The smooth nature Mike pointed out in the review here is compensating/soothing the harsh treble of DT770 LE very well (as long as for thoes Jpop music I listened a lot). It also opens up the DT770 LE quite a bit, which the instrument separation (I listen mostly to piano/cello sonata and concerto types of things over this week, so individual instrument separation is a paramount key point here) is much clearer than Magni driven DT770 LE. And the amp makes the DT770 LE so musical.
I also listened my 600ohm DT880 with International back home, which also turned out to be excellent. Although I love the airy sound of DT880 and its detail, the DT880 was too analytical and cold for me when listening the Jpop on it (yes, I know it’s not the right genre), but when I plugin it to International I found it makes DT880 more human, but with the same detail I could hear from DT880.
Mike
Glad to hear that!
The International has been my best selling amp at the store, and people weren’t even using its balanced or USB DAC function. They just love the sound.
Yuanyi Akiduki Xue
Exactly! Thank you for the review MIke!
For myself, before my iBasso DX50 arrives, the International is going to be my desktop source….
K.
Dear Yuanyi & Mike,
Sorry for not replying earlier. I have been using the International for a few months now, i.e. I have spent more time listening to music than swapping amps and headphones :-). I have recently re-discovered it as we now can – or at least maybe just for the time being….- use its DAC with an iDevice running iOS7. This is something I always wanted to be able to do, particularly when traveling as I had been yearning to have the same sounds as when using the International in a desktop set-up (with an iMac running Audirvana). Of course, the amp section is also really good, as I found it more versatile than say my Continental V2.
As for the pairing with headphones…well yes it is nice with the DT770 LE, or also other headphones and IEMs I have such as the ER4, or the ESW9, the Phonon SMB-02 (not sure if you have tried that Mike), but I once had the opportunity to try the Audeze’s…The portability factor refrained me from started saving for a pair but…
If I try to summarize this post, I’d just say that the International is an incredible DAC+amp combo which one should use with all its amazing features.
Alok Juyal
Mike, got the Cont V2 last year based on your reco and loved it. Sadly the battery on the V2 has gone bad and I might well be on the market again for a portable amp to pair with my CLAS and Shure 535/HiFiMan HE300 phones. I will also likely get a pair of the JH13 or 16. Any recommendations – the V3, the RX mk3? I listen to all kinds of music – rock, classic, world. I liked the V2 for its musicality yet enough bass punch. Thanks much
Trent_D
Well, I’m sure ALO could replace the battery. If you really like the sound of the V2, why not stick with that?
Alok Juyal
Spoke to them, they do not replace the battery but could replace the amp. I am in singapore and they need me to ship the amp over, waiting for them to get back in the details I submitted. I do love the sound of the V2 and would love to stick to it, but need to lay my hands on another while I wait for Alo
Alok Juyal
So ALO sent me a replacement V2! how awesome is that. Meanwhile I also picked up the Continental V3 which sounds just as good and has longer battery life. With new comply tsx100 tips on my 535s, so back in heaven
Mike
That’s great!
John Solanzo
How does this compare with the PB2+DB2 combo??? Still deciding on which to get for the Westone 4R. Thanks a bunch
Eli Segal
Do you the weight of the International? is it heavier/lighter than the National?
Eli Segal
I think this is the first amp the feels better than the SR-71A, am I right?
Mike
It sounds really good and is my favorite ALO amp now.
Mike
Ugghh I need to check on that.
Jason Ng
Why ALO Audio do not publish any tech specs at all? I can`t find the full specs on the International,WHY?
Dave Ulrich
They just changed their website. Click on the learn more button under Performance and scroll down. They are there.
Andre
Great Job yet again Mike..
I have a fairly good problem to have right now and need your opinion. Alo Rx Mk3, Triad Audio L3 Or International. I know right… Well I just sold my V3 and it is a slick little amp but I think I either want the strongest thing out there or balanced outs plus I love the idea of having the bass boost on the Mk3 and L3. Out of those three which would you choose paired with LCD 2.2’s and some other nice dynamics HD650’s and TH600 (soon). Or am I looking in the wrong direction and should just go after the Pan Am? I like large full sound with a strong bass presence. Only reason why I’m not looking at the 627 is because if it lacks in one area its bass so I already know that it won’t work for my taste. Thanks again Mike
Mike
Phew that’s tough. Another one you should consider is the RSA Intruder. Awesome bass.
I think they’re all great I really can’t pick one amp of the bunch.
Andre
Well unless I can find it used like the others then I don’t want to pay $700 for the Intruder but you definitely peaked my interest with that one. Like I said its a good problem to have but its still a problem. I may go with the L3. Ever since your article its been top of my list along with the Rx Mk3. I think I’ll try for the L3 and go from there.
Thanks for the Help Mike!
Mike
Yeah you’re welcome Andre!
sinty
What are your thoughts on pairing the International with a JH16 FreqPhase, Cowon J3 for now ( soon to be upgraded once the DX50 is released ), a custom balanced JH cable, and a Moon audio single ended to ALO balanced interconnect?
Mike
That sounds like a super complicated set up. Do you still need an amp after you have the jh3a?
sinty
I have a lot to say about this, please forgive me 🙂 I don’t own the JH3a. I bought the JH16pros recently with nothing else because I was unsure about the JH3a. I’m not an expert on digital conversion, but I do know that the time allignment for the Freqphase models happen inside the iems. With that in mind, what good is the JH3a beyond someone simply enjoying the sound it puts out? There are a ton of factors to really think about with the JH3A system vs a typical balanced setup via something like the International. First, the JH3a isn’t really a balanced setup out of the USB, its a USB to SPDIF conversion, which is not the same as plugging in your usb cable to a USB dac that happens to have a balanced output like the International, the Intruder ect ect. Nobody talks about the soundstaging quality boost via USB to SPDIF, but its common to hear about a boost in sound staging with true USB to balanced output with the ALO/RSA connectors and a balanced cable. I am sure the JH3a has sublime clarity, but it seems like a knitpicking thing. With the JH3A, you might get better clarity and the ability to toggle bass ( but the MKIIIB+ can do the same ). With the USB to SPDIF conversion happening AFTER the freq phase time alignment, you probably are taking an audible hit in the sound staging department. However, via the Balanced input and output from something like the Intruder or International, you get an audible gain in soundstaging qualities. The most important question to ask would be
” Does the JH3a offer significantly more clarity than the International / MKIIIB+?” Nobody talks about this or makes a comparison, which bothers me greatly…the JH16 is not a flat response iem! Thats the JH13s job, if you are getting the JH16 you probably are buying it for amazing bass qualities and the slightly warmish tonality. The JH13 is the neutral child and would benefit more from a really flat responding amplifier or dac. But…why put this with the JH16 which itself is not a flat responding iem to begin with, you strip it of what it was meant for. Take away that bump on the low end and sacrifice the quantity potential with the JH3a’s flat response on the low end, but then offer a Bass Boost toggle to put it right back where it was before? That makes no sense to me. * passes out. *
STARSTERN
I just got this response from the manufacture for the LCD”S ;
Sorry for the delayed reply. With our newly designed driver the LCDX and LCDXC so not require amplification. Most any amp on the market will will provide enough power for you. We are sorry we can’t give you an exact answer as it is very subjective. Our CEO recommends the PanAm on our site. Hope this helped.
Happy Holidays.
Thank you very much,
Audeze Support
in light of this ,would like to ask ,anyone here ‘ mod or not ;had anyone compared side by side the ALO pan am desk dac/amp $ 500 .00 range with the high end portable cypher labs theorem 720 $ 800.00 range “? capable to share us your impressions ?
Mike
That about sums it out.
I like both the Theorem and the PanAm. Classic Solid State vs Tube debate.
STARSTERN
am i right by saying ,that you like even more the dac port lx paired with a portaphile 627 ?
Mike
Not really… personally I like the Theorem best from the three mentioned.
STARSTERN
i guess every one would prefer the aliveness and life of tube sound ,if not the need of compromise for bass ‘ which totally missing at tube sound ;but ‘ no technology yet exist to supplement the missing bass ? ‘ woofers ‘exciters like aphex ‘ etc etc
Dave Ulrich
Read the Pan Am review. You can get it with an extremely hard hitting bass tube.
STARSTERN
let me put it in more detail ,its not strictly bass ,but its along the entire spectrum of lows ,will quote from other resources ‘
SS amps when done right, are said to be totally revealing, transparent, resolving and sometimes, a black background(low noise)Tube amps will almost always add more distortion than a decent solid state amp
but mikes ears as far knowing him ‘loves the other side of the fence ‘
which is ===
Tube sound can be described as warm, smooth, musical and other esoteric terms. Their soundstage are also typically wider
therefor its interesting to see mike prefer the solid state over the tube IE the theorem 720 over the ALO pan am
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Mike
I can write a few paragraphs to explain why I like the Theorem…
STARSTERN
HEADPHONES
AMPLIFIERS
SOURCE
BUYER’S GUIDE
Q & ASEARCH RESULTS FOR:
THEORAM 720
Sorry, nothing found
http://www.headfonia.com/?s=theoram+720
L.
It would work if you wrote it correctly “Theorem”
http://www.headfonia.com/cypher-labs-theorem-720-dac/
STARSTERN
thank you ,i find it now ;
mike wrote ; I can write a few paragraphs to explain why I like the Theorem…yes please go ahead and add it to your dedicated page for this ‘
L.
Can you recognize sarcasm?
George Lai
It’d be interesting to see Lieven’s and your comparisons of the Theorem’s amp section versus the new standalone Duet amp.
L.
To my surprise Mike probably won’t be getting the Theorem, so you will have to do with me…
George Lai
We will have to I guess. 😉
L.
sorry :p
Nik
Hi Mike
for my AK120 I took the amp The International.
I would like to use it with headphones Sennheiser HD650. Do you think it’s worth using them in balanced? If yes, you advise me to modified the original cable (with RSA connector) or should I look for a specific cable?
Mike
Hi Nik,
I enjoyed the sound with single ended. I think Balanced would give a bigger sound but I don’t like what it does to the soundstage image (usually, less accurate). Original cable is fine but it can be improved.
There are a lot of good cable makers out there. If you can find Oyaide where you are, that’s the cheapest HD650 upgrade cable with a nice sound that I know. Next step up is the Green Line from ALO, comparable to the Moon Audio Blue Dragon series. Going up even further, lots of other manufacturers. SAA and ALO are two brands I’ve listened to lately and I can recommend both of them. The SAA smoother, cleaner sound. The ALO more dynamic.
Rajes
If the battery gone bad, can I use still use it?