Burson Vs Violectric: Conductor Vs V200+V800

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Here is a comparison we’ve all been dying to do (me included). I’ve heard good things about the Violectric from Lieven and personally I’ve had nothing but good experiences with Burson. Both take pride in being a solid state amp, and both are roughly comparable in terms of pricing. The units evaluated here are the Burson Conductor with the new DAC module, and in comparison is the Violectric V200/V800 DAC/Amp combo.

During my evaluation period, the Burson wins in terms of convenience. As an integrated one box set up, all I needed was a power cable and a simple coaxial/Toslink/USB cable to whatever transport I’m running (I used a variety of transports from an Olive Opus media player, Astell & Kern AK100-AK120, to my MacBook laptop). The Violectric on the other hand was more of a hassle, especially if I’m going to run balanced cables from the DAC to the amp. The presence of a volume control on the DAC also makes things less simple to use as I have two volume knobs to dial in, instead of one. Yes the footprint was smaller and that’s always a good thing in my book, but other than that the Burson is more simple to use on a day to day basis. Obviously I know that we are not going to make a purchase based on that, but I thought I’d make a point as a warm-up to the actual review.

Buttons and operationals are both extremely easy to figure out. Tactile switches for gain, input, and resampling selections. The resampling options on the Vio give it a plus feature in comparison to the Burson. The Burson has a more convenient gain setting located on the front panel, and while the Violectric offers a pre-gain on the back side of the amp, it really is more convenient to go with Burson’s front facing switch to adjust gain. On day to day use, I find I use the gain setting more than the resampling options and so again, another extra point for the Burson there.

One more thing before I move on to the sound quality, I’d like to comment on the build. The Violectric is extremely well built, but I just have to give the upper hand to the Burson (again). If I were to put the Burson enclosure with a piece of solid brick in a fight, I’d put my money on the Burson. It’s just super solid. Three extra points all for the Burson, but the Violectric really is just as good. It’s like a 4.5 vs 5 stars comparison on Amazon reviews.

 

Overall Sound Comparison

Evaluated as a whole, the DAC/Amp combination of the Burson Conductor and the Violectric V800/V200 each possesses a house sound signature that’s unmistakably unique to each brand. Even as I evaluated the DAC or the Amplifier independent of the pairing (say by sending the DAC signal to a different amp, or feeding the amplifiers by a different DAC).

The Burson is fast paced, extremely well articulated, punchy, good PRaT, sounds clearer and more spacious. The Violectric is warm, lush, slower paced, smoother, more mellow, more laid back, relaxed, and has a thicker low mid and low end body. The Burson is fast and engaging, the Violectric is laid back and smooth. Two opposing sound signatures. The Burson is more like the Sennheiser HD25-1 where the Violectric more like the HD650 in terms of sound signature.

For those of you familiar with my listening preferences, clearly the tonality of the Violectric is more in tune for me. Warm, laid back, thick lows, and while the Conductor isn’t exactly a light bottomed amp, it does sound the lighter bottomed in this comparison. Also while Burson’s sound signature has more treble sparkle and is less “sleepy” than the Violectric, on some occasion, especially with hot recordings I find the treble a bit too much and my preference falls toward the softer sound of the Violectric.

Ultimately, I enjoy the Vio’s tonal balance more, but I do miss the clarity and the articulation of the Burson. Especially with a headphone like the HD650, I feel that with the Violectric I’m adding a slow filter on the already slow HD650.

I do need to emphasize the fact that the amplifier units from the respective brands contribute a bigger part to the sound signature, far more than the DAC units. While the DAC units still has a bit of the house signature, it’s not very hard to take the sound to a different direction by pairing with a different amp. However I do feel that the DAC/Amp pairings are seemingly optimized for the same brand pairings and so I recommend using the Burson DAC with the Burson amp and the Violectric DAC with the Violectric amp.

 

Headphone Pairings

Going back between the Burson and the Violectric, I really can’t decide which is the ultimate amp for the Hifiman HE-500/HE-6 and the LCD-2/LCD-3. The same house sound comparison applies here, and if I’m looking for lush and smooth, the Vio is the choice where the Burson is the choice if I want PRaT and punch. With a relatively all rounder headphone like the HE-500 and the LCD-2, there is no “which is the better amp for so and so headphone” here. Depending on the song being played, it could be the Vio or it could be the Burson. Again, going back to the lush vs PRaT adjectives. The general rule of thumb seems to be that if you listen to a lot of fast-paced Rock, Electronic, then the Burson is the one to go for. While Jazz and Classical tend to be better on the Vio. Some headphones like the Sennheiser HD650, or Audio Technica’s W-series are inherently slow and generally sounds better with slow paced music and it would be easier to make a recommendation for the Violectric for these headphones, while inherently fast headphones like the Beyerdynamic T1, T5P, and Grados naturally should be more ideal pairings for the Burson. However I’m not saying that you can’t use certain headphones with one amp or the other, as the two solid state amps are quite well rounded performers capable of driving anything from sensitive IEMs to Hifiman HE-6s.

I do have a soft spot for the Violectric’s smooth sound, as my preference lies in smooth tube sound and the Sennheiser house sound. However with fast paced Rock it’s quite undeniable that the blurring of bass notes with the Violectric combo makes me go back to the Burson every single time, even with a fast headphone like the Hifiman HE-6 and the Beyerdynamic T1. The Beyer T1 is an extremely fast headphone not only in transients but also pace, and in its case I find going with the faster Burson amp a lot more coherent than trying to “balance” the sound with the slower paced Violectric.

Both amps work well with either planars but with the HE-6 I need to make a special note to the benefits of a balanced source for the V200. With an unbalanced source, the V200 is slightly underpowered and light footed but once I switch to the balanced connection (using the same V800 DAC), low end body and dynamics are improved (though slightly less refined than on single ended connection) and the V800/V200 pairing proves to be the best HE-6 set up I’ve heard to date.

 

DAC Quality

The house sound comparison still applies even when I isolate the DAC section from the amplifier of the respective brands. I can hook up the Burson DAC to the V200, or the V800 to the Burson Conductor amp, or both DACs to ALO’s Studio Six, SPL’s Phonitor or SPL Auditor, Bakoon’s SCA-7511MK3 or Bottlehead’s Crack and Bottlehead’s S.E.X, and still the Burson/Vio sound signature is audibly heard on the headphones.

The design of the output stage on a DAC tends to influence the final sound signature and I suspect this is what’s leaving such a strong house sound fingerprint on the DACs. After all, I would imagine each manufacturer designing their DAC output stages similar to how they design their amplifiers. Technicalities aside, the Burson DAC is fast, forward, engaging, and articulate. The Violectric is smooth, warm, and lush. This does affect the perceived technicalities as the Burson’s fast transients and articulate DAC tend to push out instruments separations, making it easier to hear the instrument separation than on Violectric’s V800.

On the other hand, while the Violectric has excellent separation and in reality is MORE spacious than the Conductor DAC, instruments do blend in together more though not in a congested way, rather in a more coherent way. In another word, the soundstage of the Violectric is more spacious and the instrument separation natural and effortless, but it doesn’t push out instrument separation as in the Burson. I hope that’s not too confusing.

Aside from sound signature differences, it’s easy to point out that the Violectric, despite the more blended in presentation, is the DAC with the superior technicalities. The sound stage extends wide and deep and is easily bigger than the Burson DAC. The Burson, while quite wide, is quite shallow in the depth. Background is blacker on the Violectric, dynamic range superior, and instruments have better body and definition on the V800.

Of course I’m free to mix and match the DAC and Amp pairings, even with DAC and amps from other brands, but at the end of the day I can’t help but feeling that the V800 is best paired with the V200 and that the Burson DAC is best paired with the Burson Conductor amp.

 

End Words

I didn’t think that the comparison would be this clear-cut. I’m talking about the sound signature, they’re very different and I think it boils down to the kind of a signature that you like. On the DAC unit I can say with certainty that the Violectric is a superior DAC technically, but as far as the amplifiers, both companies have developed good quality solid state amplifiers within their own house sound signature.

 

 

  • http://www.headfonia.com Mike

    I’m working on a Bottlehead Crack vs S.E.X, maybe late August publish date ;)

    • Dave Ulrich

      I was waiting for this review. Great read. Can’t wait to read the SEX review, either. Early preview? How does it pair with the HiFi man orthos?

      • http://www.headfonia.com Mike

        Haven’t used it with the Hifiman… been listening to the K1000 on the S.E.X ;)

        • Dave Ulrich

          How is that?

          • http://www.headfonia.com Mike

            Well I’m not a big fan of the K1K but this combo is quite pleasing, may be due to the Neko DAC as well.

  • alan tan

    any major difference between Conductor and the SL?

    • Dave Ulrich

      http://www.headfonia.com/the-budget-burson-soloist-sl/ This is a good comparison between the original soloist and the SL. Also, a few weeks ago, Mike posted a comparison between the two different DACs used in the Conductor SL.

      • http://www.headfonia.com Mike

        Thanks, Dave

  • rich

    With reference to the Asus Muse Edition Dac, not withstanding the built in amp, which other amplifier would you advise ? I own the V200 amp and connect this to the Muse. Like you mentioned in the article, the ideal coupling is the same manufacturer’s own dac with its own amplifier (as these are voiced to sound together.) This logic of yours is quite logical and sound.

    • http://www.headfonia.com Mike

      So you’re looking for an amp pairing with the Asus Muses DAC? What headphone?

      • rich

        I own the Audio Technica W3000anv, the Grado PS1000 and the Beyer T1.
        The first two headphones share almost the same sound signature. The Grado is a tad brighter than the Audio Technica. The AT W3000 anv has a very sweet euphoric mids in comparison. But the T1 is quite bright. Tks.

        • http://www.headfonia.com Mike

          I would lean toward a tube amp for those three. The problem is which one? There are so many to choose from. You know the Zana Deux is a big favourite of mine, being OTL and all. It pairs well with Grados and the Beyer and possibly also the W3000ANV.

  • John123John

    “The design of the output stage on a DAC tends to influence the final sound signature and I suspect this is what’s leaving such a strong house sound fingerprint on the DACs.”

    “I do need to emphasize the fact that the amplifier units from the respective brands contribute a bigger part to the sound signature, far more than the DAC units.”

    Sorry mike, not to cal you out, but i am a bit confused. Maybe im reading it wrong.
    i have also been waiting for this comparison review for a while :)

    • John123John

      Also, Ive been reading your burson reviews for a few years now.
      Still really need to get my hands on one. Looks beautiful. Want to get a clear top too!

      similar build to woos?
      Thanks mike

      • http://www.headfonia.com Mike

        Thanks, John.

        Roughly same level of build with Woos but different finish texture. The Woos are slightly better though.

    • http://www.headfonia.com Mike

      John,
      Output stage is a part of the DAC

      Amplifier is usually in a different box, like in the case of the V200.

  • Brian Werner

    Hey Mike it has been a while since I commented on here but the V800 reviews piqued my interest. I have a Rega DAC in my headphone rig and am thinking I will roll that to my speaker set up (The Rega has some strong analog DNA and plays well with my big set up) and was thinking the V800 would be a good partner for my V100 handling headphone duty.

    The consensus among reviews… i.e. (Darko, Grandberg, Zombie X) and even Lieven was that it was an essentially neutral DAC… But you seem to frame it as a warm, lush sounding DAC…. Since you have a pretty extensive reference point for DAC sound and performance, I have no reason to doubt that you heard what you heard. So I was wondering if you could answer a couple questions for me with regard to your set up.

    Did you utilize any of the other inputs besides USB?
    Did you find any variance in sound quality or sound signature with different inputs?
    Is the V800 adaptive or asynch? I read numerous reviews and still can’t parse that. Adaptive isn’t a dealbreaker for me, just can’t find definitive answer there.
    Did you utilize the upsampling jumpers? Did they improve or degrade sound?
    Any special interconnects? USB or RCA?

    I know the V800 is not the best in terms of features for under $1500. I’d probably look at Mytek, Peachtree, or Benchmark but having the V100 puts a synergy wrinkle in my search (as well as an aesthetic one). So any insight you could provide could help me lock this down.

    Thanks Mike…. outstanding death match though…. Really like your voice in the industry… you offer some alternatives to these Hifi giants that dominate the landscape.

    Cheers

    • http://www.headfonia.com Mike

      Hi Brian,
      Yeah I definitely have to apply words like warm and lush for the V800 though not in an extremely coloured like a tube amp may sound.
      Inputs yes, I used Coax and Toslink as well as USB. I didn’t really compare but from experience with almost all the other DACs, there always sound differences. Coax and USB are a bit similar, spacious but grainy, higher noise floor. Depending on USB implementation the USB can be better than Coax. Toslink sounds the narrowest and darkest but the blackest background and lowest noise floor.
      Upsampling, you can’t really say they degrade the sound but the resampling options tend to make the sound brighter, more detailed while lessening the background blackness and overall depth of the sound. I like no resampling best.
      Thank you Brian, the Benchmark DAC 1 I have in the store (first gen) sounds very dry and bright though.

  • chraha

    Hi MIke!

    Interesting to see you write that “….the V800/V200 pairing proves to be the best HE-6 set up I’ve heard to date..”

    What other (good) amps have you heard the HE-6 with?

    Chris

    • http://www.headfonia.com Mike

      Chris,
      Burson Conductor and all the other Bursons
      RSA Darkstar
      ALO Studio Six
      Bakoon Amps

      • chraha

        So, you then find the V200 powerful enough, I guess. What is it with V200 that makes it so good?

        • http://www.headfonia.com Mike

          If you don’t use it with balanced interconnects from the V800, the sound is not quite there. The magic really happens when you’re pairing with the V800 over balanced.
          Smooth, full bodied mids and bass. Superb vocals. No other pairing like it for the Hifimans.

  • STARSTERN

    Wonder what makes you dependent on v800 as pair the v200 ‘

    just because they were both made by same firm ?

    if you love the warmth of these but miss the clarity by their sound signature ,

    why then not explore outside of .violectric’ I>E> like to pair the v200 with a more resolving dac to get some balance ,the same visa versa to pair the v800 with a more resolving amp to get balance ,whats the preference to stick with same firm DAC and amp ?