Crème De La Crème: Fostex HP-A8

Crème De La Crème: Fostex HP-A8

November 30, 2012 |  by  |  $1000-$5000, Desktop Source  | 


Disclaimer: Mike bought his HP-A8 from Jaben Indonesia. Edd received a loaner from SCV London. This is a double review. Standard text is Edd’s. Italics are Mike’s.

At the heart of the A8 is a 32bit Asahi Kasei AK4399 D/A converter. An Asynchronous, Class 2.0 USB supports the transfer of audio up to 24bit /192khz, as do the other digital inputs. There is also support for DSD files (DSF only, not DFF). This is a downloadable SACD audio format, which (at the moment) is only supported via the SD card reader on the back of the machine. For non-computer related digital audio the HP-A8C has two optical, one coaxial and one AES/EBU input, along with one optical and one coaxial digital output in case you feel the need to convert USB to another external DAC. With the added ability to up-sample any of it’s digital signals (x2 or x4) this is a feature rich high-end machine.

The fully solid-state, completely discrete headphone amplifier is capable of driving pretty much any headphone you can think of. For those with any analogue devices left, or if you’re lucky enough to own a better DAC, there is a pair of analogue inputs to use the headphone amplifier independently. Gain is selectable from 0 to +20dB (0.5dB steps) if you can find something that struggles with the default levels, which I couldn’t. Even headphones as demanding as the Hifiman HE-6 should feel right at home here, which is an impressive boast indeed.

 

The Sound

The Fostex HP-A8 does digital to analog decoding on an entirely different level than anything I’ve heard before. Based on AKM’s AK4399 D/A chip, this device is capable not only of projecting an uncanny sense of space and soundstage, but far more than that, the sound of a particular recording I’m playing through it. As I’m switching from one CD to the next, a constant sense of awesomeness struck me over and over again. It’s like being there during the recording session, plugging your headphones directly in the producer’s mixing table. We’re talking a far more intricate level of detail retrieval, yet revealed in such an effortless manner by the A8. This is nothing like I’ve ever heard before. It’s not as grand sounding as the Ref7.1 DAC from Audio-Gd, but the Fostex does things I don’t even hear on the Ref7.1.

Even now I’m still awestruck when I play different CDs through the A8. Not only do I get to witness different musical styles and genres, but I actually get a more complete picture of the recording than I was previously able to hear. Even after witnessing the garbage-in, garbage-out principle on other DACs, I’m truly blown away by the amount of information that good old 16/44.1 CD contains. If they were able to implement this level of sophistication on mainstream priced CD players, surely, people would not bash CDs for being digital sounding and inferior to LPs. The Fostex HP-A8 is living proof that the so called “digital” CD sound is the fault of sub-par Digital-to-Analog conversion, a complicated process that turntables don’t have to hassle with.

What I’m hearing is not only the subtle little sounds in the recordings, any half-decent DAC these days does that, but more than that; the color in the recording! From analog recordings taken in the 60s with their thick and grainy sound to the super-clean audiophile digital recordings. Not only does the technology behind a recording, but the particular set up of a recording and the steps taken in the mixing and mastering, somehow contribute to a particular “look” of a recording. All revealed by the Fostex in such an effortless manner.

Audio gear with high transparency tends to be of the dry and clinical type. I can’t say that about the Fostex. It’s a very smooth sounding DAC for sure and clearly the smoothest sounding DAC I’ve listened to. If you like the smooth sound of the HP-P1 i-Device DAC/Amp or the HP-A3 USB DAC/Amp, the HP-A8′s sound somehow reminds you of the two but with technicalities that are not even close to be compared.

Now remember how I said that transparent DACs tend to be dry and clinical? The Fostex is definitely not dry! I wouldn’t be able to enjoy any dry sounding DAC with Sennheiser’s merciless HD800 so definitely there is some coloration here: a smooth Fostex sound with a warm and musical tonality. But what keeps me puzzled is somehow, perhaps a function of über-level resolution, the smooth Fostex sound is able to keep itself from clouding the recording. It doesn’t polish the recordings like some DACs with a tube output stage tend to do. It’s smooth yet brutally honest: one recording to the next, I’m getting a clear picture of the entire look of that recording.

 

Besides the A8, I got some ear time with the rest of Fostex’s headphone amplifier range as well and I must say that I’m most impressed by how consistent their presentations are. The main differences between them are their connections and the technicalities of their sound. The tonality is well balanced throughout, all display a clean and neutral sound that doesn’t jar your senses or feel artificial. This seemed to make them friendlier to a larger number of headphones than amplifiers with a more characteristic coloration. This is transparency as it should be, very detailed but smooth and not cold. The A8 has these features and takes smoothness, subtleties and soundstage to another planet.

Good amplification often brings with it a nice blend of two quality traits, often considered mutually exclusive in lesser equipment. That magic is infused in the A8′s sound as a healthy dose of speed, without the typical tendency of over-brightness in the upper ranges. It’s smooth and articulate treble does wonders to crisp detail and listening for long periods never fatigues. The low frequencies get enough attention too. Bass is tight and well defined without losing weight or impact. The mid-range is perhaps even more impressive, feeding off the high’s lush smoothness and the low’s refined texturing to build a deeply involving experience. I felt an emphasis in the mids, but certainly not overdone and I loved it’s sublime clarity of presentation.

A smooth balance of power, that is both delicate and authoritative, seems to be the hardest thing to do with digital sources and this is where the A8 delivers it’s magic. Although it will take up to 24bit/192khz (through all of it’s digital inputs) it excels with good, old CD quality. Let’s face it: this is the format that most people’s music will be in. After the silky smoothness, the next thing that struck me about the A8′s sound was the soundstage. It impresses hugely! Not only is the throw of instruments both far and wide, it’s also endowed with a sense of natural precision, an effect amplified by superb instrument separation. This rounds off a three-dimensional feeling that brought a lot of music to life in a big way. This effect is emphasized with headphones that already share this trait, so it really warrants a good set of headphones to get as much out of this as possible.

Although compressed music is handled well, the only problem is that uncompressed is just so much better. It seems like any extra detail that you can throw at the A8 further aids a more smooth and delicate presentation. In fact, never before have I noticed so much of a difference between compressed and uncompressed formats, and I see this as a true testament to the refinement and transparency on display here.

 

Comparisons

At one point I was comparing the Fostex to the Eximus DP-1, another highly regarded high end DAC/Amp box. Slightly warm but overall still a fairly neutral DAC, the Eximus didn’t have that flexibility in the sound that the Fostex has in terms of revealing the whole look of the recording. What I mean is, moving from one album to the next, I hear less of the album’s color on the Eximus than what the Fostex reveals. The Eximus, to me, is more in line with my experience with DACs. At roughly the $3K price tag, it’s very spacious sounding and with a good warm tone, and overall the performance is good. It’s just that the Fostex accomplishes much more than that. Before this I often raved about the KingRex’s UD384 DAC. The moment I heard the Fostex, I knew that the Fostex is on an entirely different level. Yet I went ahead and compared the two anyway, only to find that the difference is even bigger than I first thought it would be.

 

Headphone Pairings

The SoundMAGIC HP100 headphones are best for me with a little extra punch in the lower frequencies, though they are already impressive in this regard. A fantastic headphone and a great value! The A8 doesn’t provide that bass body but what it does to the rest of the frequencies and soundstage is nothing short of stellar. This was the least impressive headphone combination that I had, but only because of my preference of tonality shift, or lack thereof, and that’s a petty criticism. The highs, which can be a little overbearing on lesser amplification, sound nicely controlled here.

Although the Beyerdynamic DT880 600 Ohm has less warmth than the SoundMAGIC, they manage to be great despite it and the A8 propelled them to a place of abundant detail and powerful presence. The bass here actually seemed to get a healthy boost in weight once you give yourself a little time to sink into it’s presentation. Soundstage is one of the DT880′s greatest abilities and that was brought even further out by the A8′s amplification.

If you’ve read my previous review you will know that I have some problems with the V-Moda M-100, namely it’s overzealous bass and lack of midrange, but the A8 made the M-100s sound almost acceptable for their price… even for me! If you like them already I can’t help but think that you would love them on this amp, but as I said in their own review: at ten times the price the A8 is no solution. With electronic music I didn’t even need any EQ for the M-100 while connected to the A8. This really is saying something because I found them very lack-lustre and harsh on most other amps, even the Audiolab M-DAC. I will iterate it here because I seem overly harsh on the M-100. It really isn’t a terrible headphone! It’s possibly the greatest full-size fashion headphone ever made. It’s just not an audiophile/ jack-of-all-trades/ HiFi headphone.

I noticed a statement on the Fostex marketing material for the A8 that recommends pairing it “with the Fostex TH900 headphones for excellent results”. I can confirm that, despite sounding like marketing fluff, this is a true statement indeed! Although I need to illustrate the A8′s abilities as an independent device, let me assure you right now that this is no one-trick-pony. The A8 is a very capable machine at driving many headphones to truly amazing levels of quality.

Right, now a little about the TH900…
I was simply blown away by the TH900 in general… but with the A8? Wow! I can hear with every fibre of my being that these two were tuned to be connected to each other. The amplification of the A8 makes a lot of sense anyway but with the TH900 it’s synergy is just perfect. The strong bass of the TH900 gets suitably controlled by the A8′s fast and tight low-end amplification. Similarly the mids and upper ranges are full of detail and can be a bit punchy normally but the A8 keeps them in check.

Although I will be doing a full review of the Fostex TH900 headphones next, I couldn’t finish this section without at least brushing on the topic of the TH900 vs the Denon AH-D7000, while connected to the A8. For those who don’t already know, the D7000 is almost identical to the TH900 in shape. The TH900 is coated in a gorgeous red lacquer but it has wood underneath, just like the D7000 (albeit a different type of wood). Both models are made by Foster Electronics (of Japan) and thus share a lot in common inside and out. The D7000 has recently been replaced by a very different model and is no longer available to buy, but fortunately I happen to own a pair. Comparing these two on the A8 was very easy since it has 2 identical, full-size headphone outputs. Well… listening to these two together it’s clear that they come from the same mould. The presentation is very similar, both are considerably bass heavy, but through this quality of amplification they make a good case for neutrality. Their entire range punches with similar authority, yet it’s controlled under a smooth tonality. The Denon is great here, probably the best I’ve ever heard them, but the TH900 is… I’m sorry for my wallet’s sake… just much better.

 

The Built-In Headphone Amplifier

A lot of the magic in the Fostex’s sound happens in the built-in headphone amplifier. The moment I take the signal out, through a pair of interconnects to a separate headphone amp, a lot of that effortless resolution gets filtered. This is why amp builders try to keep the length of a signal path to a minimum. Obviously, no interconnect is as short as a trace in the PCB. This is why most of my listening with the Fostex is done through the built-in headphone amplifier.

The good news is that the A8 has an onboard headphone amplifier that’s worthy to be used alongside its DAC. So good was the headphone amp, that I didn’t see the need to pair it to another amp. Usually the problem with onboard headphone amplifiers is that they are limited in power. Not the A8. Max the gain (up to +20.0dB with the latest firmware) and it has enough juice to drive the Hifiman HE-6. Yes. Not as satisfying as the RSA Dark Star or the Burson Soloist but hey, it’s an onboard headphone amp that has more power than a lot of dedicated headphone amps! Throw in a Hifiman HE-500, HE-400 or the Audez’e LCD-2 and the A8 has plenty of headroom left with all of them. With the HE-500, for instance, I’m playing at -25.0dB on the volume control. Plenty of room left with the maximum level at 0.0dB.

Both volume and gain level is adjustable via the big knob on the front. It’s not an analog pot behind the knob though; volume is adjustable from -100.0dB to 0.0dB on every gain setting you choose, with 1dB increments. The gain level is adjustable from 0.0dB to a whopping 20.0dB with a 0.5dB increment. That gives you an extremely accurate volume control for both the most sensitive IEM or the Hifiman HE-6. Channel imbalance? None what so ever.

 

Build

Everything is so well made on the A8 and the little interactions make it such a joy to use. Connecting the Fostex TH900 headphones to one of the headphone sockets shows such precision engineering. It’s reminiscent of closing a luxury car door: sublimely smooth but not loose, a perfect fit to the micrometer. The volume dial is similarly flawless and a total joy to interact with. I’m not a fan of stepped attenuators, because it can be hard to find the desired volume and they’re just not as nice to turn as a smooth dial, but not here. This is stepping done right and it retains a wonderful smoothness in operation. You’ll just want to keep touching it.

 

DSD Playback

The menu interface is rather fiddly to operate via the tiny dial next to the volume but the browsing of DSD files (which can be sourced from ‘HD-Tracks’ or the ‘Blue Coast Records’) is an even bigger annoyance. Accessing these files can only be done through the included remote control which feels rather cheap, small, awkward to use and is unreliable. The only controls are “play/stop” and “skip track”. There is no “fast forward / rewind” and more crucially, no “folder / album” browsing. I can’t imagine people wanting to use this feature due to the rather poor interface and controls. Even getting the machine to recognize the files will put some people off. There is talk of the A8 supporting DSF play over USB and I for one really hope that this feature is added soon. Until then, if you have DSD files, or want to try them with the A8, my recommendation would be to use the (free) Foobar software on PC. You can then download the SACD plug-in that can down-sample DSF files to PCM on-the-fly (either to 44.1, 88.2 or 176.4khz). The A8 will then take that signal via the USB connection. You can also listen to .DFF files this way too by using a plug-in by Kode54. These are alternative DSD files more common among studio users.

 

Final Thoughts

Browsing the technical data and photos for the Fostex HP-A8 might inspire lustfulness, but it’s the sublime sound quality and beautiful build that will really impress. If you’re looking for a great DAC, and a stunningly transparent and smooth headphone amplifier with a ton of inputs and endless clean power, then I highly recommend an audition with the A8. Give it a listen with some nice headphones and I doubt you’ll want to put it down. Unless you just picked it up to see how heavy it is.


  • http://gorboman.wordpress.com/ Gorboman

    My current favorit DAC/Amp. As I’ve told Edd, it’s going to be a long road for me to save for the HP-A8c. But I’m sure it will worth the effort. I like it that much!

  • Julius

    Have either of you gotten a chance to hear the Schiit Gungnir yet? If so, any thoughts or comments on how it would compare to this HPa8? Thanks for the write up, gents!

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=888950789 Albert Alonso

      I would love to read that, too! Please Mike!

    • Edd_N

      Sorry I’ve not heard that one.

      • Julius

        How about the Hifiman EF6 ? * wink wink

        • Edd_N

          Haha! That one’s all yours. It’s unfortunate that you didn’t get to hear the Fostex too. The down side of us being so far apart :S

  • Trent_D

    Loved the review. I am no envious of anyone who has this. EDD, I laughed out loud at your closing line. It caught me completely off guard.

    • Edd_N

      Thanks very much Trent! I’m glad you enjoyed it. Ha, I nearly took that line out actually :P

      • Trent_D

        Never underestimate the power of an unexpected pun.

  • http://twitter.com/ivantankj Ivan Tan

    The DSD playback option (through DoP) has already been enabled. You have to head over to the Japanese website to update the firmware version to v2.01b

    http://www.fostex.jp/news/version_up/307

    I do find that your recommendation to down-sample DSD to PCM a counter-productive move though. One of the USPs of this DAC/AMP is the ability to decode DSD (DSF/DFF/SACD-ISO) files natively (no intermittent PCM conversions) to analogue directly via the DoP protocol.

    Foobar2000 with the SACD plugin allows you to play DSF, DFF, DST & SACD-ISO files. Furthermore, it even allows you to upsample all 44.1kHz based material (88.2, 176.4, 352.8) to DSD64 or DSD128 on-the-fly. However, the AKM4399 DAC used in the Fostex is hardware limited to DSD64 only.

    Once you hear native DSD recordings through it’s USB input, you will realise why there is such a big fuss over DSD playback in the audiophile community recently. i.e. closest thing to analogue you can get without all the pops and hisses or the digital edginess/artefacts of PCM.

    http://www.audiostream.com/content/dsd-v-pcm-file-comparison-16441-2496-24192-64x-dsd-128x-dsd

    • Edd_N

      Thanks for the info Ivan, I was hoping the DSD via USB could get resolved and that is indeed a great addition to have. I want it even more now. I imagine it will make Mike happy too since it’s a lot more simple than the SD card.
      Are you saying that DSD via USB is superior to DSD via SD?

      • http://twitter.com/ivantankj Ivan Tan

        Hi Edd,

        You are most welcome. As for whether DSD is superior over USB or SD card? Well, like all other things besides Mathematics that is absolute, it depends. I can’t deny the flexibility afforded by the USB interface over the SD card at the moment though! The current implementation of the UI and SDHC standard (maximum capacity of 32GB) on the Fostex is restrictive and not forward looking. Resonessence Lab’s Invicta outstanding DAC/HPA (DSD capable as well for the upcoming firmware update), on the other hand, implemented the SDXC interface which has a potential of storage of up to 2TB – imagine a whole DSD library in the size of a SD card and no more fiddling with the computer just to get music to play. On a separate review by Keith Howard of the Invicta on HI-FI news magazine, the conclusion reached in terms of the sound quality based on the input format is (no surprises there!):-

        SDXC > USB > SPDIF

        … which makes sense as the SD card will have the shortest signal path to commute with the DAC itself and it is not susceptible to computer-generated noise or other external nasties that could have compromised the digital signal.

        • Edd_N

          I’ve heard the Invicta – great machine and the SD card is at the front, where it should be. The SD quality makes sense to me although the machine sounds so good anyway!

          • http://twitter.com/ivantankj Ivan Tan

            Not to mention that it is such a sublime headphone amplifier as well, something that I can only dream of for my headphone setup. The cost of CAD3,995 isn’t really a walk in the park for us commoners though.

            • Edd_N

              Oh yeah it’s insanely good! Here it costs £3500 which works out to over CAD5500, even less of a walk in the park! But yeah if I won the lottery I wouldn’t think twice about getting it!

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  • http://headfonia.com/ Valentin

    Great review guys! :) How does it stack up with HD800? /V

    • Trent_D

      I was wondering that too? Does this replace a good tube amp, or is that still your preferred way to go with the HD650/700/800

    • http://www.headfonia.com Mike

      I used the HD800 a lot with this, mainly to tap into all that resolution. It doesn’t quite give you the musicality or lushness of a big tube amp, but it excels in different ways. As I’ve mentioned I loved listening to the color of the recordings with the HP-A8, something that a typical DAC + tube amp combo doesn’t quite reveal to that degree.

      I also like the simplicity of the set-up. Takes much less space than a typical high end DAC + tube amp set up.

  • YS

    Great reviews! Can’t wait to audition one for myself.
    Quick question for the amp section, is it an upgrade from GrahamSlee UL? Or its about the same?
    In thise case for LCD2 r2 heaphone
    Thankz

    • http://www.headfonia.com Mike

      Well amp section power wise it seems to be more powerful than the Graham Slee based on my experience with the HE-6.

  • Wilson

    so you prefer fostex than eximus?

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=888950789 Albert Alonso

      Mike Please We need an answer to this question!

    • http://www.headfonia.com Mike

      Sorry for missing this question. Yes for sure. The Eximus, I wasn’t really hearing anything special out of it.

  • Michael

    I wish I could afford an A8 & TH900 combo…

    • http://www.headfonia.com Mike

      I wasn’t that blown away with the TH900.. The A8 is revolutionary but I think the TH900 is just a good closed headphone.

  • http://www.facebook.com/Meoow.TheCat Minh Duc Nguyen

    I am stuck between Violectric V800 and this amp. I am more interested in the DAC performance part. Although V800 is clearly more future proof for its range of outputs.

    • http://www.headfonia.com Mike

      Sorry I don’t think I can give a comparison

      Sent from my mobile device. Sorry for any mistype.

  • James

    Hi Mike, enjoyed your review. I had the Fostex dac amp for a month trial and listened to it with the HD800s. I would agree with most of your well written review. The depth of the soundstage and transparency is very remarkable.

    The deal breaker is that the dynamics are noticeably reduced. I compared it to my ageing Benchmark dac pre with both CDP and PC sources and also output it thru my monoblocks and Focal 1027be speakers.
    I have just received the Eximus for trial but comparisons can only be made from memory. Will report back, first impressions are that it is a very musical dac (a bit of a BS term I know).

    • http://www.headfonia.com Mike

      Thanks for the impressions, James.

      You were using the Fostex with speakers? Any headphones you use?

      • James

        Yes, I find it useful and sometimes more revealing to listen via spkrs (my room is treated but there’s some boundary reinforcement)- stuff like soundstage and imaging is easier to assess for me. But i was mainly listening via the hd800s as I was assessing it for my headphone setup –think u may have missed that bit :) Also it lacks an XLR out which is better sounding for my monoblocks.
        I was truely impressed with the layering and soundstage depth though- remarkable for headphones :D

  • http://twitter.com/AdmiralWiem Admiral Wiem

    It’s been my fourth or fifth times reading your review. And I still remember my goosebumps experience with this dac/amp. Awesome review mike. Fostex’s stuff is pretty awesome.

  • ryan

    I am going to get this by next week. Do you think it pairs well with the beyer T1 and senn HD650?

  • ryan

    Just got it and download 2.03b…but how to convert PCM to DSD?

    In foo_dsd_asio

    asio driver – asio4all v2
    dsd playback method – dop marker
    pcm to dsd method – type d
    fs – dsd64

    In output device

    asio4all

    Display on the HP-A8 just shows 48K…if using SOX resampler, it show what is selected in the resampler

  • ryan

    hey mike, what is the gain setting that you used on this amp?

    • http://www.headfonia.com Mike

      Mostly gain 0.

  • ryan

    How does the Hifiman orthos or LCD2 pair with this Fostex?

    • http://www.headfonia.com Mike

      Pretty good but I think the Dynamic driver flagships pair better.

  • http://www.facebook.com/ron.wells.jack.smooth Ron Wells

    Hi, very good review.
    In terms of… “Not as satisfying as the RSA Dark Star or the Burson Soloist”…

    What were you referring to, sound quality or output power?
    I’m considering HE-500 + Solist, but this unit looks very appealing, sound quality would be first driving factor for choice.

    • http://www.headfonia.com Mike

      Well the amplifier quality is not as good as the Burson or the RSA. Weaker dynamics, bass impact, smaller soundstage among others.

      • http://www.facebook.com/ron.wells.jack.smooth Ron Wells

        Thanks, amazingly quick reply. I’ll go with Soloist as I don’t need the DAC, it would be a nice to have, but sound quality should come first every time.

        • http://www.headfonia.com Mike

          Ron,
          I think you’re mistaken. The DAC is what feeds the signal to the amplifier which the amplifier then amplifies to the right voltage level for the headphone drivers to be able to produce the right dB level for the ears. If the signal at the start of the chain is of low quality, you’re not getting any good sound quality.

          • http://www.facebook.com/ron.wells.jack.smooth Ron Wells

            Yes, agree but my source is a Pathos Endorphin feeding a TVC attenuator so have the speaker side sorted, just want a good headphone setup too.

            • http://www.headfonia.com Mike

              I see, understood then.

              • http://www.facebook.com/ron.wells.jack.smooth Ron Wells

                Haven’t heard that Burson yet but it looks like a good minimalist – just do the job well – solution.

                • http://www.headfonia.com Mike

                  It’s a nice amp if you like warm sound with weighty lows.

                  • http://www.facebook.com/ron.wells.jack.smooth Ron Wells

                    Thanks Mike, your description sounds absolutely perfect for me.
                    It’s people like you that made the Internet great.
                    All the best : Ron

                    • http://www.headfonia.com Mike

                      Thank you and you’re welcome.

  • ryan

    just downloaded firmware 2.10b…now it is able to read wav file on the SD card…but I am unsure why some of the folders in the SD card are unable to display on the Fostex…