Headfonia Q & A
Feel free to post any questions you may have below at the comment section and I will try my best to answer them promptly. I try to answer all the questions, but I may miss one or two at times. Do repost your question if it’s left unanswered for a few days.
Please also go over the Buyer’s Guide articles before you post your questions, they may help to answer your questions.
- A Guide to Headphones
- Full Size Headphones Recommendations
- Portable Headphones Recommendations
- In Ears Headphones Recommendations
- Amplifier Recommendations
- Source Recommendations
- Frequently Asked Questions
Here is a link to the older Q & A pages:
- Q & A Archive #1 (Jun 1st 2011 to Nov 24th 2011)
- Q & A Archive #2 (Nov 24th 2011 to Feb 4th 2012)
- Q & A Archive #3 (Feb 5th 2012 to Sep 13th 2012)
Mike
Hello guys, welcome to the new Q-A page. The old one was getting too long so I made a new one.
Sakki
Hello, I have just read your review about VE5 on the headphonia. That was a great experience and comprehensively thourough one.
I have been deciding to choose between VE5 and noble k10. Have you ever tried one on the latter? Could you please kindly suggest me between those choices, I would really appreciate?
Ps. I really like to listen to all kinds of music ranging from jazz to rock to bigband orchestra. And i really need some natural and realistic sounds even hearing the breathe of vocalists or saxophonists just like they were there in front of me playing the instruments. Or anything else you would recommend for the CIEM. Really appreciate it.
Mason
I’m a budding audiophile on a tight budget from a highschool summer job, I’m playing music on an iPhone se with echobox finders at spotifys 320 kb/sec. What’s the best upgrade for my setup? Dac/amp, tidal HiFi, full size cans? Thanks for the help
alan lott
Hi Mike,
I just got a Final 5000e. I’d like to get a more powerful and matching DAC/player to drive it over my old Fio X5. I’m looking at the Fiio M11s for home use within a $500 budget. Would that be enough power to really drive it and could you also suggest a smaller player that would have plenty of power for more around town use? Thanks, Alan
L.
Hey Mike. Great site you have here, love reading it. I was thinking you could maybe make a Sennheiser corner, that would be awesome!!
Sorry, couldn’t help myself 🙂
Mike
Seriously this Sennheiser corner idea keeps on popping out…
L.
Yeah, but we would need a Senn corner, a Hifiman corner, a Denon corner, etc…
Nick Tam
My bad =P
But it can’t be helped how people use the Senns for reference cans can it
Mike
I didn’t know the other brands made reference cans..
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JUST KIDDING …..
Nicholas Hough
Mike, do you have any recommendations on a Tube Amp to pair with HE-400’s?
Thanks
Nick Tam
Schiit Lyr, LF339?
L.
The 400’s don’t need any (tube) amp. If you really do want an amp I’d go for a ss or hybrid. What’s your budget?
Mike
I’d listen to Lieven or Nick as I don’t have any recommendations for a tube for the HE-400.
In fact all of the Hifiman orthos I know (as well as the Audez’e), I’ve always been using solid state with them.
Benjamin Rose
Hello again, I just wanted to let you know that I chose to go with the PS Audio Digital Link III as I have read a lot of stuff on it and that it’s warm and very detailed at the same time! I hope I’ll like it! Maybe you should review it eventually……:D
Mike
Yes heard a lot of good things about the PS Audio as well. Congrats with the purchase, Benjamin.
Moo
Thanks Mike! I’m sure I’ll enjoy it! I ordered earlier today some optical and RCA (as well as Firewire for my backup hard drive) cables from Monoprice. Yay! You should do a review on it if you ever come across one.
Mike
Enjoy the good sound, Moo. 🙂
Benjamin Rose
Whoops, last time I was signed in as “moo”.
George Lai
Hi Mike, here’s a challenge for you. I’d like to add a max USD400 circumaural headphone to my collection of SR325iS, HD600, DT880, ATH-AD700, K550, ATH-M50, CAL. Why? I just feel there’s a hole to be filled! My main music genres are, in order of preference, rock, blues, R&B, then pop, Electronica. Amps I use include ADL GT40, audioengine D1, e10, e11, headstage arrow, PA2V2. I am inclined towards the D2000 and Q701 but would be very very interested in your “golden eared” views. Thanks.
Mike
George,
I would get either the D2000 or the DT770 but 80Ω version. Q701 I don’t know, I’m never a fan.
George Lai
Thanks Mike. As always.
George Lai
Mike, would a D2000 as well as a HD650 be an overkill since I already have a HD600? Somehow I feel my mid-Fi collection is incomplete without a HD650 😉
Nick Tam
I’d think you’re better off saving up going up a tier instead of going with a pair of HD650s or D2000s when you already have the HD600. Although, one would really be missing out on the HD650 bass.
And here I am bragging about the HD650s again… oh well
George Lai
Precisely Nick. A collection seems incomplete without the HD650.
Nick Tam
It doesn’t go well with your genres of music unfortunately so I’d actually not recommend the HD650. Blues maybe, and not so fast rock. To truly enjoy the sound of the HD650, you’d have to go back to the “audiophile” genres of Classical, Jazz and Vocals. Plus there’s the scalability of the HD650. It’s not that I’m telling you NOT to get them but the first DAC/Amp that I’ve ever owned was the E17 which I tried to drive the HD650 with. Months later I got myself a HRT MS2+ and Crack to perfect it and it just really made it clear that to get the most out of the Sennheisers, my wallet must break some time later. Even I’m on a budget but this is as far as I would go. With your current sources and amplification, you should stick to what you have.
Cheers~
George Lai
Thanks Nick. I guess that’s why I first settled on the HD600 rather than the HD650 and use the 325 most of the time for rock and blues. Cheers.
Mike
DT770-80 is quite fun for Rock, Nick.
Spencer Chan
The 650s can be fast with the right amp. Fast enough with a v200
L.
The V200 does make it faster, but generally speaking, the HD640 isn’t considered a “fast” headphone
Eugen
Unless you’re modding the HD800’s and investing a crapload into a system for them, stay with the HD600.
John123John
haha well he could sell off everything he has (amps and headphones) and he might be able to get a decent set up 😉
Mike
Go for the HD700 instead.
Seriously
John123John
lol well I had both the HD600 and HD650 and ended up selling the HD600~
The difference is there but I cant justify having both. too expensive for just a revision.
John123John
isnt the D2000 and K550 a little too similar to have both?
I too had a nice collection of Mid-Fi phones at one point, ended up selling them all except for the HD650 and just enjoy the music (and investing in a vinyl setup).
I would recommend moving up a tier. You have plenty of things you could sell, unless you feel the need to “have it all”. Then I guess I would recommend the Q701 just because they sound the most different from your collection. Or maybe a nice desktop amp.
George Lai
Interesting views but I guess it’s like having more than one favorite pair of jeans 😉 and I’d still aim for a Q701 too. Unlike wine collectors who can’t or won’t drink their collection, at least headfiers can use all their headphones.
dalethorn
I didn’t see the DT770LE listed. Extremely comfy and awesome sound.
George Lai
Hello Dale. My first post was 8 months ago. Now thanks to headfonia and you, I do own the DT770LE too.
dalethorn
Did you have any preferences for amps with the 770LE?
George Lai
Hi Dale, I don’t have any preference but these days I’m enjoying it and most headphones with an iFi iCan.
dalethorn
Yeah – that looks great. Just today Stereophile posted this review of some iFi items. This was a very interesting read, and I hope to follow up on it, but it looks like you’re a step ahead of me already: http://www.stereophile.com/content/ifi-audio-idac-amp-iusbpower-usb-da-processor-amp-outboard-power-supply
dalethorn
http://www.stereophile.com/content/ifi-audio-idac-amp-iusbpower-usb-da-processor-amp-outboard-power-supply
Here is something Stereophile posted today. I’m curious if you know about this.
George Lai
Hello Dale my friend. I’m rarely ever ahead of you. I only recall that one time when I told you about the adjustable gain inside the PA2V2. Anyway the stores here had a promo where if you buy the iUSB and iDAC you get a free ATH M50. But as I rarely listen from my iMac, I felt the iCan was a better solution for me. Though it runs off the mains it’s ideal for me as I pair it with my wall-bound iStreamer. And at that price, how to resist?
Jim B.
Mike, my questions and responses of last week seem to be closed, but I want to thank you for all your help. Your advice is exactly what I was looking for. By the way, I just pulled the trigger on some ATH M-50s, and can’t wait to try them out. I gather I might need to break them in.
Mike
You’re welcome, Jim.
I didn’t mean to close your comments, just the entire Q-A page was getting really long and I decided it’s time to make a new page (you can still access the old Q-A) to keep loading time short.
The M-50s, hope you like them. They are extremely popular and for a good reason.
Nick Tam
Okay okay, so yet another hypothetical Sennheiser question. Reason being, I’ve already broke right through my wallet.
So it really struck me if I were to move up from the HD650, would I rather have the king of technicalities, the HD800 or the HD700 that bridges between the extremes of warmth and the technical king? I probably already know the answer to this but just an opinion.
Considering if I’m keeping the HD650 solely for Jazz music, I would be considering using the HD700 or HD800 for classical and orchestral music. If only limiting the usage of the two higher up brothers to solely these genres, I really should be looking at the HD800 instead, shouldn’t I? Still driving from my Ubercharged Crack of course.
Mike
Nick,
The thought of buying either the HD700 or the HD800 on limited budget it’s not such a good idea in my opinion. I mean, the HD800 is great for classical but I still enjoy the HD650 very much for classical.
I think the HD700 and HD800 should be considered if you have plenty of cash laying around, and you can afford to buy 3-4 different flagships and one or two high end amplifiers.
That’s just my opinion though.
L.
Mike is right Nick. The HD700 is right between the 650 and the 800. If you’re already owning the 650 there is no use in getting the 700 imo. But as Mike says, no use to spend an extra 700€ on the HD700, but finally that is your choice of course
Nick Tam
Yea I thought so. But the HD800 really needs an update doesn’t it
Mike
Like a new HD800? or HD800 rev 2?
Nick Tam
Thrown in the HD700’s technology in it and you have a clean sounding HD800. They could just build on the HD700 and supersize the drivers to 56mm for a HD800 rev2, give it a tad bit more bass punch and tune it to have the old HD800’s resolution, and Senn is probably back into business (with itself really). Probably tune down the fatiguing highs and even out the high ends and it’d be perfect
Mike
That would do it. But I don’t know how easy it would be to implement that in real life into a finished product that doesn’t break the bank.
Trent_D
I am guessing that using the PanAm with the “bass tubes” is what makes it your new favorite amp for the HD650. Also, wouldn’t the 650 play better with older, less perfect recordings than the 800?
Nick Tam
I’m not that old… I just appreciate my music both ways, either for musicality or sheer technicalities.
It would be really sad if the PanAm had already beaten the Crack to be the best HD650 pairing… although I could only say that the price of my build should put it on par with the PanAm.
Nick Tam
I don’t listen to classical alot, just more modern orchestral. I do love the tonality of the 650, but at the same time I’m just yearning for something that could produce a realistic and detailed soundstage and better center image. I don’t know why but even I’ve built in a crossfeed circuit into my Crack I’m still not getting the central image that I was hoping to improve ever so slightly, which is why I’m kind of eyeing these second hand HD700, HD800 that has been popping up lately
L.
Do try the HD700. Lot’s of people don’t lie it cause some people don’t like the measurements, blablabla. But it’s nice!
Nick Tam
You guys would definitely take the HD700 over the HD800 any day
L.
I would
L.
I don’t think it does. Maybe a HD900 😀
Nick Tam
And make it uberhard to drive properly
I would pay big $$$…
Okay maybe not. I still love my 650’s bass. It would really take Sennheiser much more to ever phase out the 650/600
L.
Need power? Speaker Taps 😉
If Sennheiser ever decides to stop making the HD650, I’ll be buyin 3 pairs to cover the rest of my life
Nick Tam
Now that you mention it… the same money for the HD800 buys me 3 pairs of HD650s… hmmm…
Mike
It is amazing when you consider that even today Senn can’t seem to produce another headphone with the HD650’s bass. The product engineer at that time must’ve been a genius.
Nick Tam
It’s just amazing how the near decade old HD650 40mm drivers still outslams the bigger dynamic drivers in terms of sheer impact (abeit the AT’s 700MKII and ES10) and musicality (HD800)… like you’ve said the Sennheiser geniuses chose musicality over technicalities… too bad I’d like to have both to cycle around some times
omgosh im going all sennheiser all over again… there’s going to be a sennheiser corner, real soon
Nick Tam
I think my comment disappeared or something…
Well hence the “hypothetical” bit, I can’t afford to dish out $900 for a new pair of HD700, but maybe a pair of 2nd hand HD800 around here 😉
You just have to love the local headfi community around here, people that buy flagships but don’t have the amplification to go with them : 2nd hand new stock trades are pretty common in Hong Kong, a pair of 2nd hand HD600s went for $150 yesterday in the local forums…
Ekawit Jaithiang
Hi Mike! I own TF10 (with Oyaide HPC-UE Cable) and D-Zero for a while and wanna know what if it compares to Westone W4R. Is it worth to change?
Nick Tam
Looks like an unanswered question… so here:
TF10: Classic Jerry Harvey sound, you get that addictive bass slamming of the dual low drivers so it plays very well with pop and rock.
W4R: You get a more generic frequency curve and tuning, you should be able to look up other reviews and see it for yourself. But in general, the W4 is comparatively more linear but isn’t neutral compared to the UM series. Weighty bass since it uses dual lows, but you don’t get that addictive slam. Better extended highs
All boils down to your music preferences since the TF10 still holds it own pretty well against the other quads and triple BAs, would think twice about the upgrade. If you want an upgrade, I may suggest the IE8 or ASG-1 over the W4.
Sunand Jose
Hi Mike
I would like to know about best bass head can from Ultrasone or Beyerdynamic brands upto $250 range. and what is the best brand between them? i like clarity with slightly over powered bass sound.plz give some recommendations from you ..
Nick Tam
I’ve got no experience with Ultrasone but with Beyer, their clarity is undeniable. But usually, “clarity” translates to bumped up treble so it’s actually quite fatiguing to listen to at times. Ultrasone are known more for their S-Logic giving you a very musical SQ and artificial sound stage. Bass wise, they’re probably not what you’re looking for. The Beyer has a V-Shape curve so may be a better choice. Be warned, this is based on more objective perspectives. Does not necessarily mean that the bass is detailed in particular (more from in depth reviews and personal experience)
Sunand Jose
Hi Nick,
how about DT 770 PRO 80 OHMS?
Nick Tam
About time I hit the stores for another listening session… although I think the sort of bass you’re looking for is the clean, deep orthodynamic type, hifiman like :
Mike
The DT770 Pro 80 ohms is good with clarity and the bass is good too. I wouldn’t say it’s a bass head cans.
I don’t know what exactly are you looking for, because bass head cans implies big, huge bass, and usually those headphones are not known for clarity.
Dave McBride
Hi,
Looking for a portable or ultra portable to use with my laptop. Would like some isolation since I would use them in a library & would not want sound to leak and annoy others. Not real picky on other features, would be listening to videos and non-critical music. Already have Ultrasone DJ-1 Pro for home and they are awesome.
Mike
Dave,
Ultra portables usually don’t isolate.
The next thing that you can look at are:
Sennheiser’s HD25-1, or the cheaper version HD25SP.
http://www.headfonia.com/sennheiser-hd-25-1/
http://www.headfonia.com/sennheiser-hd25sp/
Or Beyer’s DT1350
http://www.headfonia.com/beyerdynamic-dt1350-death-to-the-hd25-1/
Or the Vmoda M80
http://www.headfonia.com/vmoda-m-80-review-by-edd-noble/
Keep in mind that these headphones, due to the size and being supra-aural (they don’t cover your ears totally), will still leak if you play really LOUD music in a quiet library.
I think the safest bet is something the size of your DJ-1 Pro.
Moo
Hi, so I got my PS Audio Digital Link III DAC, and I really love it! I’ve been using Fidelia lately for my Lossless library, so what settings should I have it on? Should it be dithering? How about resampling through iZotope, as the PS already resamples?!!
Thank you again!
Moo
Never mind, I got the trial of Audirvana+ and like it far more. The other one crashed every other second.
Mike
Alright Moo.. the Audirvana+ you got, is it the one with Beta DM version?
Moo
It is now! I upgraded my ram to 12GB and everything works fine. I will hopefully buy it when I have money!
Moo
The only thing I really don’t like with Audirvana+ is that you can’t have it monitor a folder. Is there any program for mac that can?
Moo
I’m sure I don’t need it, but it’s nice to have, it makes the computer run so much faster!
I want to like Fidelia, and in some ways I do. I just wish you could use the keyboard play button on it. Also, what’s the dither, and metering point, in the settings?
Thanks!
Mike
Are you sure you need 12GBs? My laptop only runs 4GB and Audirvana is working fine.
ryan
Hi Mike…which amp would you choose to pair with the Sennheiser HD650? WA6 or Lafigaro 339?
Nick Tam
They’re both tuned very well for the high-Z HD650. Mike did the WA6 review and L. the LF339 so he can’t give you a direct comparison. One thing for sure that these are moderate paced amps good for Jazz, Classical and Audiophile vocal. The LF339 is probably slightly more thicker than the WA6.
LF339 is a OTL amp design so it’s not as good for low Z gear. The sound characteristics could be described as warm, lively with good deep bass.
WA6 is (probably) somewhat cleaner sounding, but still very rich.
I don’t think anyone can give you a straight answer since neither Mike or L. has A-Bed them but from their description they’re probably similar in sound. I’ve only tried the LF339 myself, although I might happen to just go for a spin on the WA6 when I get the chance down at the stores.
Other considerations:
LF339: Lower cost (w/ stock tubes). More tubes to roll however the price of two higher quality NOS 6AS7 and 6J4P family of tubes prices are still lower than that of a single rare 274B rectifier tube used on the WA6. The Sophia Electric 274B tube available as an upgrade option for the WA6 however is good enough given the price, just depends on how much are you willing to spend on the rolling. Rolling in higher quality tubes could improve soundstage depth, detail and probably even out the frequency curve to suit your tastes. However I would like the LF339 with a general warm and darker sound.
The LF339 is OTL so I would take it over the WA6 if I were listening exclusively to the High-Z Senns. Dual mono design may be good or bad to some but I won’t be bothered too much and I see it as a plus if the tubes are unbalanced.
(The LF339 comes with Chinese NOS tubes that I’d definitely swap out immediately)
WA6: Higher cost. Rolling in a good 274B tube could further improve soundstage depth and overall detail. Transformer coupled so it could drive low-Z cans as well.
From the preference of sound, I do think they’re similar. Cost wise though, if you include rolling the stock tubes of the LF339 the two amps may as well as be roughly the same price with the shipping costs. Also if you’re just going to stick with the Senns HD650 I would lean towards the LF339.
L.
Exactly. If you only have the HD650 go 339 or Crack. If you have lower impedance headphones too, go WA6.
Trent_D
I’m wondering if you don’t get more questions on what to do with the HD650 on this site than anything else. I really want to hear these headphones.
L.
That’s cause the HD650 to Mike and myself, is still a world class headphone. They can be found pretty cheap 2nd hand from people crazy enough to sell them. I got mine in new state for $200 🙂
Nick Tam
Only crazy people forgot to buy one of those awesome amps to drive them 😉
Trent_D
From my understanding though, you can get a musical sound out of the hd600/650 with a simple cMoy amp. Those are but 60 dollars. Not that you would be in danger of revieling their full potential, but that should be enough to tide you over until you could get a Crack, Pan Am, LF 339, WA6 or something along those lines.
Nick Tam
Thing is people disappoint themselves feeling the HD600/650 is overrated when really they don’t have enough power to drive them to their full potential and switch to something easier to drive and conclude that they sound better so they sell off their brand new Senns. Actually HD650 rarely goes up on the 2nd hand forums here, but it’s one of the only two reasons people sell them. Either they can’t drive or have moved on. I’m sticking with them for awhile
Trent_D
But if I was going to spend hundreds of dollars on something, I would know what I was getting myself into first. You would think someone buying the HD6XX would know they need a good amp to drive them properly, although, being that the asgard or the Crack can do that…
Nick Tam
Some people just don’t. The Asgard has great synergy and isn’t too bad for price if you need to budget another $250 for an amplifier after finding out you can’t drive the HD600 to sound good with anything in the sub $250 range. And then there’s the HD650 which many people seem to fail to appreciate the tube amps which really make it shine and fall down to the HD600 because the only amps they think pair well with the HD650 are those ones which costs big bucks.
And after all that they then realize that driving out from the lineout of an iPod isn’t nearly sufficient and would consider getting an iMod or MSII, Audinist MX-1 at the very least.
Mike
We should form a HD650 official fan club over here.
L.
I dare you! 😉
Trent_D
I’ll join! Don’t have one, but I do so love joining fan clubs!
L.
I’m actually thinking of doing it. A pic of you and the HD650 is required to join 😀
Trent_D
So, you are discriminating against me because I don’t have a HD650? That really hurts!
L.
No I’m encouraging you to get one 😉
Trent_D
A lack of encouragement isn’t why I don’t own one…
L.
I know, I should have expressed myself better
Trent_D
I’m sorry. I intended that to be a jokier response. I didn’t intend for it to sound as whiny.
George Lai
Mike, Lieven, thanks to you guys and your addictive website I should, no have, no must, get a HD 650 too. Here’s a challenge – please recommend your best 2 amps in each price class (up to USD 100, USD101-200, USD201-300, USD301-500) that pairs well with the HD650. Only one rule – no amp can be named twice. Cheers.
Nick Tam
Here we go again…
I honestly want to say that the Crack rulz anything under 500USD and now that I think about it, I don’t want to listen to anything else other than it even if it’s cheaper. If I were to say…
<100USD: CMoy BB with dual power supply and a nice OPAMP rolled in, very fun sounding and the bass boost can further give the Senns the unnecessary yet irresistibly fun bass. Try PA2V2 or other options in this price range would be to DIY a amplifier. Seriously.
<200USD: Uber Muzik TTD (OEM: Racoon SG300), the amp section works pretty well on this one, doubles as a DAC. Other options would be the Audinst Amp-HP although you'd need to roll in a good OPAMP as well to get better synergy out of it. This price range is kind of sparsely populated. The Fiio E17 kind of loses out here.
<300USD. Crack. The stock Crack, even with stock tubes blowout everything else as the Asgard doesn't quite have the synergy with the 650 as it does with the 600. Unless you have DIY, the LaFigaro 336 is the other option in this price bracket.
<500USD. Honestly I would want to say Crack. Only thing left here is the Schiit Valhalla which is technically inferior to the Crack. In this case you might want to try the LaFigaro 332. Or the Crack with Speedball kit…
I think I've mentioned this before somewhere but the <1k price range is a huge mess in terms of price/performance with the Crack in the mix. And technically, the Crack is my preferred option because it scales up further itself if you tube roll and swap out the capacitors and a few things to make it a very capable 500-700 dollar amp. My Crack is valued somewhere around $800 with the nice tubes and component upgrades I threw in. I hate to say it but Doc. B is a complete genius. I would even consider the Smack if I had to drive something bigger
George Lai
Thanks once again Nick.
Trent_D
The Pan Am is also suppose to be quite nice with the HD650. And, I think this website is already a HD650 fan club!
Nick Tam
Problem with the PanAm is that you MUST get it with the Passport putting it in the $800 with only stock tubes, although consider it a DacPort LX bundled into it so you’re really talking about a $500 worth of amp I guess?
Mike
Yes, about $500 worth of amp. It’s quite a nice amp for $500, actually.
Mike
HD650 fan club? *ouch*
Nick Tam
^I second that. *ouch*…
you just undid all of Mike and L’s work on headfonia…
Trent_D
I didn’t mean to do that. I will banish myself.
Nick Tam
Eh… actually, I’m the root of all evil here lol
L.
you guys both should, as punishment, get at least 50 members each for the HD650 Fanclub 😉
Trent_D
I’ll see what I can do.
Hai Nguyen
lol.what did I miss? you guys’re talking about the hd 650 here and I didn’t notice.
L.
Visit more often :p
Hai Nguyen
I tried to avoid you guys since my wallet hates this site so much especially you L with your v200 review :p
L.
Don’t blame me, blame Violectric 😀
Nick Tam
Do seriously give the Uber Muzik Tiny Tube DAC v3 a try though since you’re based in Singapore, it’s probably one of the funnest amp to go with the high-Z Senns!
George Lai
Something to aim for this weekend 😉
Mike
Lol if no amp can be named twice then I have nothing else to add.
L.
E10, C421, Crack. that covers the $500 limit for me
George Lai
Crack seems everywhere, no pun intended. Must get some crack, again no pun intended. Thanks, Lieven
Burju
Mike and Lieven,-looking at the love and admiration for HD650-perspective, would you give a brief confession….lol ….of your own journey of listening through all those headphones from the lowest quality to the most expensive ones? Would anybody just go back to that one precious one (just like your HD650’s admiration) that they love the most? Instead of favoring the LCD 2 or Stax 009 or even HD700-750…lol-HD800.
Considering you have listened to all those headphones. I want to know that even if you own LCD 2-3 or Stax09 or Orpheus-one and HD650, but you are still drawn back to your lovely HD650, for example.
Is this just our ears adjusting more to HD650 sound Or a love match between your ears and your favorite headphone? And your ears pick HD650 over those expensive ones.
On your “what I have learned, two…..” you give a suggestion, my question here will be, after you have experience
L.
I’m not sure what you are asking but for me when I was in my early teen years I had this headphone I absolutely loved (I can’t remember what it was). Unfortunately that headphone got lost over the years and for years I have been looking for a headphone sounding like how I remembered that lost headphone. When I first heard the Sennheiser HD600 I knew I was close so I also bought the HD650. The HD650 sounded like my lost headphone and ever since, 20 years after loosing the headphone, I have been in love. I’m not saying the Sennheiser HD650 is the best headphone ever, but to me it’s something more personal that still makes it one of my favs. Of course the HD650 really is a top headphone since it was launched 10 years ago. It scales up great and really deserves a spot among the best. I don’t know what Mike’s story is about the HD650, maybe he’ll share it too.
The journey of all my gear is a bit long to tell but maybe I’ll write a blog post on my greatest “WOW” moments 🙂
Burju
Thank you Lieven for the enlightment, sorry for not presenting it clearly on my question but you hit it dead center, as I mentioned on my reply above to Mike’s, that personal feeling, to have had a chance to listen to that ONE favorite headphone, is always there in our mind (no matter what we have done and what we are going to go to through on our journey listening to headphones). It really is personal. it defies what other thinks or what measurement-it provides, in front of us. Some of us are still searching to find or to replicate that sound signature we love in today’s headphones. Some have found it. I am yet to have a chance to listen to HD650. I have a feeling I am going to love it too. Those years of owning HD650, albeit new headphones come and go, you are still in love with it, this shows respect and honesty so humanly in this digital world. Funny that we spent enormous efforts o replicate that analog sound in today’s digital world.
It will be a great reading and learning to me when you are finally write down the journey, Lieven. Looking forward to it.
I really appreciate you.
Mike
Me,
I just follow my ears. It’s been quite a journey. Some headphones are better at certain points, some are worse, but at the moment I just think that the HD650 is what my ears like best. It’s funny because when I started the whole headphone hobby thing, I had a listen to the 650 twice and I couldn’t understand what the sound is all about.
Running a review site, I always get suspicious responses whenever I talk about my personal favorite. I guess it’s a good thing that Senn is not a Headfonia sponsor. AND Analog Head doesn’t sell the HD650 (we only sell the cheap $10 Senn earbuds).
How me and Lieven both loves the HD650, is a pure coincidence. It would probably be better for the site if Lieven is for instance, a Beyerdynamic fan since that’ll balance things out (for giving recommendations and such). But we just happen to love the HD650. Pure coincidence.
Nick Tam
Put it this way, the Sennheiser sound just does bass the way everyone just loves it. If you needed something with clarity, we’re spoilt for choice other than the Beyer sound.
Mike
The bass the way everyone just loves it. That’s true. Although I don’t mean literally everyone.
Burju
Thanks Mike for the enlightment. Mostly we have had at least 10-15 years of headphones-listening journey. This confirms my view on our journey of headphones. Marketing gimmicks, new technologies and new products are great to look for but when we just have that quite moment, yearning to listen to our favorite songs, we reach out to our most favorite headphone most of the time, the sound signature has already drilled in our ears for quite sometimes. Yes, our ears pick the favorite love one. I am still learning a lot from your great contributions to us here at headfonia. Cheers to our ears.
Mike
You’re welcome Burju.
I think the progress in technology is real and can’t be denied. But at the end of the day, the new is not necessarily always better than the old.
Burju
Amen to that Mike.
Mike
Lol.. few days ago I just played the HRT MS2+ > Crack > HD650.. still one of the best set up you can get for the HD650.
Burju
Mike, lucky you.
Stop teasing us with that proven setup, please…….that pokes our vulnerable wallets constantly….lol
Interestingly enough, to see if HRT MS2 or plus would be a good match with my Continental + HE400?
Next journey perhaps, Burju, so I say, to have Mike’s setup above. Hide wallet…..hide
Nick Tam
Still holds true for the decade year old Senns HD6xx series
Burju
Nick, meaning for the lovingly best headphone?
I have no doubt about it.
L.
Like this: https://www.facebook.com/SennheiserHd650
😀
Spread the word!
Nick Tam
uh-oh…
Mike
Just did. 😉
ryan
Thx alot for the info…currently using the vestamp…listening at max volume but seems to be underpower…..it’s time for a desktop amp….hahaha
ryan
what about the wa3? graham slee srgII?
Nick Tam
I can only think of 3 6AS7 based OTL amps (minus the LF339) and that is the Crack, LF336 and WA3. Amongst those 3 6AS7 OTL amps, I’d say Crack>WA3>LF336. Crack has the better sound, WA3 with superior build quality and LF336 for affordability. Also consider their prices, Crack has the best price/performance ratio (provided your build is good)
Graham Slee Solo SRGII is like an SS version of a tube amp. However, it is playing in a much higher price bracket. Mike could give you a more direct comparison of the GS and Crack. The WA3 and LF336 hasn’t been reviewed here so it’s hard to say.
I could audition all the amps mentioned if I want to but I don’t have the time to :
ryan
@nick…thx again for the info…
@mike…where do you buy the tubes? online?
L.
Local stores or online if you can trust the seller
Mike
Friends usually get them from ebay.
Nick Tam
There are some reputable online sellers, other “online” sellers would be those from eBay. Always look for eBay sellers with refund option. For me, sometimes I’ll scout out eBay for tubes but at the same time there’s quite a lot of local sellers here with rare tubes not usually found online. Depends where you live, don’t know about you though, because Hong Kong has a large budding audiophile community
Psycho
Hi Mike and L, did you by any chance will review musiland product? (dragon series 01, 02, 03)
I hear they available in indonesia and offer great value as DAC and amp
thanks 🙂
Nick Tam
The musiland 02 has been reviewed long ago.
http://www.headfonia.com/musiland-02-24192-for-120/
The difference with the Dragon version I believe is support for higher bitrates and USB 3.0 input.
The musiland series have been around for quite awhile, you may want to look at some of the newer DAC/Amps.
Aric Ross
mike,
what happend to the links page? there were a few similar to your site, can we have a list of those links again?
Mike
Aric,
What links page?
L.
The links to the friendly other review sites he means. I also noticed the most popular articles at the bottom of the page have disappeared 🙂
Mike
Sorry just a change in design. I didn’t think anybody would miss that.
Here are the links if you need them:
http://www.audioexcursions.com/
http://news.cnet.com/audiophiliac/ http://www.digitalaudioreview.net.au/
http://headfonics.com/
http://www.head-fi.org/
http://www.innerfidelity.com/
http://sonicsatori.tumblr.com/
http://soundnews.ro/
http://tupperwav.com/
ryan
i am still undecided which OTL to get as all of them have to be imported in….
probably i will have to settle on a SS amp instead and those available locally in Indonesia….burson HD160ds, centrance dac mini, SRGII + dacport lx? which one for HD650?
Nick Tam
SRGII+LX, the synergy is simply better for the slow Senns, with the HA 160 is more faster paced. Practicality wise, DS is a good all-in-one solution. DAC mini is more neutral and good at picking up minute details but less musical than the LX.
More on the 3 different DACs in Mike’s reviews, but amongst these 3, I would go for the SRGII since you still have the option of upgrading the LX if you want to. The Solo SRGII is pretty high on the mid-fi range of amps.
ryan
Got the SRGII…
Nick Tam
enjoy!
ryan
i am unsure whether to continue using the vestamp internal dac or getting the dacport lx…….:)
Mike
Enjoy, Ryan!
Nick Tam
Now that I think about it, why didn’t anyone before want a iBasso DX100 review, or even mention it?
L.
Because it is expensive for everyone, we even had to pay to review it. and then we kind of “forgot”. But we have one now from a friend and we will be reviewing it!
Nick Tam
Yey finally…! Been seeing loads of people juggling between the old HM801 and the DX100, and it seems that DX100 reviews aren’t that abundant. Still pondering how the superior DX100 loses out to the older HM801, probably guessing the HM801 just sounds better for most of the crowd.
It’s kind of insane to think that it is now the Chinese that produce the highest end DAPs… that are massively good to our ears as well :O
L.
I fully agree. Companies like Fiio and Hifiman really listen to the customers. There are some new players coming as well, like the X3 from Fiio in December. Can’t wait!
ryan
I just got to know something new about the vestamp, yesterday when it is connected to the laptop through usb…i accidentally plug my hp into the line IN socket of the amp and found out there is sound output from it….but the volume cannot be adjusted from the amp itself…does anyone knows if this is a line output from the amp?
Mike
Hmm… I’m not so sure about that. Perhaps the way the amplifier is wired internally. You may want to ask the manufacturer. Are you talking about Jaben’s Vestamp?
ryan
Yup, jaben’s vestamp…even the amp is off…there is still sound output from it…
Mike
Ryan,
That’s probably just the way the amp is wired. I wouldn’t worry about it.
ryan
I am not worry about it. If it is really a line output, i could use it with a future desktop amp…don’t really need to buy am external dac…
Christopher Tawney
I am in the market for a headphone, amp, and DAC combination. I currently have a couple pairs of okay headphones that I just run out of my Macbook Pro but I really want to upgrade. I mainly listen to indie, alternative rock, punk, classic rock, and classical (I know the last one really throws of the equation). I am not a basshead and rarely listen to anything but the occasional rap album, so that’s not essential to me. I was thinking about the Grado SR325i’s but they are just to uncomfortable on my head. I am thinking about Sennheiser HD600’s HRT Musicstreamer ii, and maybe the Schiit Asgard but I am concerned the Asgard won’t keep up with my music. Any suggestions of what may be a better setup?
Mike
Christopher,
The PanAm works very nicely and should have no problem keeping up with your music.
http://www.headfonia.com/portable-desktop-alo-the-panam/
Or if you want something cheaper, the Matrix Portable also works well with the HD600.
http://www.headfonia.com/the-320-portable-dacamp-matrix-mini-portable/
Christopher Tawney
How would the compare to the Matrix Portable ALO National or TTVJ Slim?
Mike
Christopher,
I think the National doesn’t come with a DAC, the Matrix does. The TTVJ Slim can be ordered with a DAC, but the DAC quality is inferior to the Matrix.
Jack Knight
how matrix mini portable dac section compared to dacport LX?
Mike
Sorry Jack, haven’t had the time to compare them.
L.
The HD650 fan club us here 😀
https://www.facebook.com/SennheiserHd650
Bob
Don’t know how I missed this section. Going to repost some questions I had earlier.
I am new to the market and my budget isn’t large, $300 and hopefully less. I am looking for a good Hi-Fi that is versatile for a good range and decent vocals but a good enough contender that clearly stands on its own as audiophile grade.
So far the Philips Fidelio L1 has been pointed out as versatility with a wide range of music. I don’t mind a strong bass but I do wonder if I should be concerned as I won’t be getting an amp to neuter it.
Good range on the VModa M-80 has also been cited here. Finally I got a sterling review on the Pioneer SE-MJ591 but it seems like is barely mentioned around much.
Based purely on looking for a good overall listening experience to rediscover a music library (rock, pop, indie, celtic, instrumentals, hip hop, the whole works really but I’m not hung up on bass) and leaning towards closed rather than open and a sub $300 price, would you recommend any of the above or another headphone entirely?
Any direction would be appreciated.
Thanks in advance,
Sean P.
Nick Tam
Consider the HD25-II, M80 isn’t bad but it’s more of a semi-open design. M50 gives you a wider genre bandwidth. Still thinking of what’s good 4 u
Mike
Thanks Nick. Didn’t see your reply when I replied to Bob.
Bob
No worries Mike, more than one opinion is great! From what I understand the leak isn’t too bad on the Fidelio (I don’t play loud either). Barring that aside would you still put the HD25-1 ahead despite the older driver?
(*I assuming you guys are referring the same phones even though you named them slightly different?)
Mike
Bob,
Headphones are funny. While driver quality wise I think the Fidelio is superior (sound is cleaner, less grain among other things), apparently the crowd (at leas the one I know) generally still prefer the HD25-1.
Mike
Sean,
The V-Moda should fit the bill pretty well. The Fidelio is good but open back (leaks sound). Another one you may want to check out is the Sennheiser HD25-1 ($200 in Amazon.com) Very popular.
Isaiah Mackler
I asked a question on the Yulong U100 thread, too. What is your current budget recommendation ($300 or so) for desktop/transportable dac/amp? Right now, I have an O2, but I kind of plan on selling it. I’m ok w/ either separate dac/amp or combined. Running the HD600 (office) and HD650 (home)…
Remus
Hey Mike, whats your camera setup? Are you using a light box/light tent for your headphone/amp pictures?
Mike
Remus,
No I don’t own a light box. For the soft light set ups, I usually use a single, very large octagonal softbox from Profoto (my other job is a studio photographer so I have plenty of lights).
For the white background stuff, usually I need 2-3 lights to get the light evenly white to the background.
Sometimes I mix them with hard lights as well.
If you want to learn more I’d be happy to tell you how I did a particular shot. Just let me know which image.
Remus
Yes I would be most delighted! Lets say…the open back Shures (black blackground) and the triple JH one (white background). Two of my favourite pics and I especially love the triple AT one:)
Both of my main hobbies are photography and audio too, and I feel you, two ultra expensive hobbies always means an empty wallet (and stomach) for me 😉
Mike
The Shures: One softbox. Light is a little to the left, and a bit low (about waist height). Positioning is key with one softbox shots, so you have to move the softboxes around (hopefully you have an assistant) while watching the effect changes on the product. Even 10cm can make a difference.
ATH Triple: likewise single softbox. Center, top position (about 20-30cm above the product). Take single shots of each headphones, composite in Photoshop. Retouch any reflections (you’re bound to have reflections especially on the dark-glossy W3000ANV).
JH Triple: You definitely need a light for the background. Doesn’t matter if you use hard reflector or a soft box, just a good even light for the background. Don’t set the background light too strong so you won’t get 255-255-255 white background. Add a hard light for the foreground so you can pick up details on the foreground. Foreground light should be coming from a top angle shooting down on the products. Use some reflectors (I use styrofoam) to make the BA drivers shiny.
Remus
Hey Mike, sorry for the late reply. Im not a professional, I dont have a studio/studio equipment but I do have flashguns and can purchase some lamps/softboxes if necessary. I can get my brother to be a makeshift assistant. I would be shooting in my home, so what do I need to purchase to get similar set ups as yours?
Secondly, I dont understand what you mean by using a light for the background. Does that mean that the customs were lying on a light or softbox? I do have experience in photography but very new in lighting. I mainly do outdoor shooting which I use mainly natural light. Thanks once again, Mike.
Mike
Flashguns, I don’t recommend. They never give a natural look. I’d rather use standard household light bulbs, shoot hi ISO or low ISO + tripod.
Custom JH shot: I hang them on a platform by the cables. The background is a wall. The products 1-2 meters off the wall. Use a light to illuminate the background.
Mike
If I may add something…
The set ups are usually very simple. What’s important is for you to be familiar with setting up light angles, directions, how high you should place it, how far to the left/right, how much tilt, etc. There is no formula book for this. The best way to learn lighting is:
Examine natural light. Like really examine. Sunrise, sunsets, good old incandescent lights, directional lights (ie car headlights, spotlights). Watch how a particular natural light shapes an object. Go out to a cafe close to sunset, take a headphone with you, put the headphone on the table (outdoor). Move the headphone around, rotate it, see how the light on the headphone changes as you move the angle around (the sun being relatively still). Take shots in between to observe how the camera captures light.
George Lai
This is not a question. I just want to put on record that this website is something I turn to every day, sometimes more than once a day, and even re-reading articles back to 2009 is refreshing. Well done, Mike and the gang.
L.
Thanks George, it’s nice to see our work get appreciated 🙂
Mike
Thanks, George. 🙂
ryan
I keep checking everyday if there is something new in review…:)
L.
later or tomorrow 😉
Marc_D26
Hi Mike, will you review the 2 new and latest portable DAC + Amps: RSA Intruder and TTVJ Apex Glacier? They both seem to be on the equal level of SQ as the ALO RX-Mk3B, with added DAC functionality though which is good.
Will you also review the balanced circlotron SS amp: Schiit Mjolnir? It seems an interesting product with positive impressions on Head-Fi.
Thanks 🙂
Mike
Marc,
We probably will be getting the RSA Intruder. I will check on the TTVJ Apex Glacier. The Schitt it’s a bit hard to get.
Marc_D26
Thanks Mike, I will look forward to the RSA Intruder then 🙂
The TTVJ Apex Glacier is said to be improvement/upgrade from the TTVJ Slim with included 24/96 DAC now on.
Mike
You’re welcome, Marc.
StryderJin
Hello,
I’m somewhat new to the higher quality headphone thing and have been really enjoying it. For my mobile use I have a pair of Etymotic HF3 with custom molds and a pair of Sennheiser HD 558, with the foam mod, for use at home.
I have yet to purchase an amp for use with the HD 558’s though. I’m not interested in breaking the bank but I can’t decide what to do. I’m thinking mainly of using a desktop amplifier because I don’t intend to travel with the HD 558 and don’t feel the HF3’s need it. However a friend of mine has the JDS Labs Cmoy and I like the way it sounds while on DC wall power. I’m wondering however if the Fiio E09K, the E9 successor, would be a better choice for home listening.
My source is the line out on my iPhone 4S using AAC 256 VBR encoding all the way up to ALAC.
Nick Tam
consider the audinist amp hp as well, personally i dont fancy fiio other than the e17 and e10 as the e9 series is a circuit jumbled with OPAMPs and doesn’t actually sound better whenever it is paired with the e7/e17
Mike
I would get the JDSLabs Cmoy. They are brilliant with the Senns, and the Ety HF5 (haven’t tried it with the HF3).
StryderJin
Thanks so much for the quick reply, this website is really great. I’ve decided to go with the Cmoy as it appears to offer the best bang for the buck by far. If I ever have any more questions regarding headphones and amps I know where to turn. Thanks again!
Mike
You’re welcome!
hed fong
Howdy, which portable amp would pair better with the grado ps 500, the ttvj slim or the alo national? Any other suggestions? Thanks.
Mike
Hi Hed,
Sorry I didn’t have a chance to use either amps with the PS500. If you look at the gear used list for the PS500, I used a lot of desktop amps and USB DAC/Amps like the Fiio E10.
http://www.headfonia.com/the-new-grado-sound-grado-ps500/2/
I think either the TTVJ Slim or the National should do well with the PS500 though.
hed fong
thank you for the reply boss mike. do you have a slight preference on either the slim or the national for the grado ps 500?
i currently have a jds cmoy with the low z setting, would either of the mentioned amps portray a huge improvement over the cmoy?
thanks
Mike
First please don’t call me boss mike. 😉
I’m a big fan of the National at the moment, even compared to its bigger brother the National. I just love having plenty of bass body and the National gives me that. So if you ask me for my preference, then that’s that.
Yes the improvement would be evident over a Cmoy. I compared the National to the JDSLabs C421 and I took the National every single time. Please read the National review and you’ll see.
Eric Thompson
Hey I got 2 recommendation questions. First I’m looking for a desk top amp and DAC. Right now the only thing I have is a Fiio E17. I want something fairly compact with preferably only 1 wall outlet plug. I’m thinking either a combo DAC/AMP or an amp that would pair well with the Headstage USB DAC cable or the MS2 or the MS2+ down the road. It is not so much dimensions compact as it is simple, I move around a lot and the less things connected to other things with cords the better.
I originally wanted a Full tube amp but I am having trouble finding a good tube amp in my price range. I thought the schiit vahalla would be great but then I read your review and some others and id probably go with the asgaurd and then I would have money for a DAC but then thats not a tube?
I thought about the Audinst HUD-mx1 but I think its to similar to my E17 and I could get something better.
I have Shure SE215’s and the SRH840, DT770 Pro 80ohm, HD238 and Denon D5000’s which are by far my favorite, and I’m planning on getting the HD25-1 and an open pair.
Nick Tam
Asgard> Solid State
Valhalla> OTL Tube
I’d say that the Valhalla may not be a good match due to its brighter sound, there aren’t many good tube amps in that sort of price range but if you don’t mind Chinese build, LaFigaro 336 may be a good alternative. Although it isn’t exactly “compact”. You may also want to try the hybrid Uber Muzik TTDv3/Racoon SG300 if you can get one in your area as it combines the smooth tube midrange sound with good price although it doesn’t work well with IEMs and most low impedance gear. And yes, the Audinist products kind of falls into the same price range so consider something higher up.
Perhaps try the Fostex HP-A8 or Dacport? They have a small footprint although I would only buy them if I’m not planning on running an external amp and wanted a DAC/Amp combo. Also falls neatly into the price range of a Valhalla+DAC combo.
Mike
Fostex HP-A3 you mean? HP-A8 is very expensive.
Nick Tam
yup got that mixed up… d’oh…
Eric Thompson
I was thinking asgard+MS2 or DACport LX If I went solid state, but I wish the asgard had a digital in
Nick Tam
Asgard is purely an amp so it shouldn’t have digital in.
Eric Thompson
Hmm I could get the 336… I looked at the 339 reviewed here but it was a little to much $.
Mike
I think you’re in a difficult spot there. First I’m not aware of any good desktop tube with built in DACs. Hifiman has the EF-1/EF-2 and I think one of them comes with a USB DAC (can’t remember which), but I can’t say abou the sound other than they are decent. Maverick audio also has an affordable desktop DAC/Amp with tube but the sound doesn’t blow me away.
What’s your budget anyway? If you can reach for the ALO Pan Am (just the Pan Am without the upgraded PSUs) it’s $599. Otherwise, I say go for solid state like the Matrix Mini Portable for ~$300.
Eric Thompson
I could maybe get the Pan Am, that would be the top of my budget, I didn’t consider it as I couldn’t really afford the PSU with it. It’s still ok without it?
It doesn’t have to be built in if the DAC is small and runs on USB.
Eric Thompson
Second question. I have been looking for awhile for a pair of open back headphones that I would like but most of them are pretty light on bass so I want a pair with good bass but then what I have noticed is that most of them are really dark? HD600, HE400, LCD-2?
I listen to mainly rock, metal and electronic which would be cool if they worked well but I will probably use these to listen to softer stuff, vocals and strings but not really classical. I would really like to try the HD600’s but I don’t think they would be clear and detailed enough. The LCD-2 would be the most I would spend but is there something cheaper I could get? or should I just wait and save for the LCD-2?
Nick Tam
Why not Grado?
Mike
Everybody should try a Grado, but these days most people I know always complain on the lack of bass.
Eric Thompson
Actually I forgot to mention in the Amp post im planning on getter a 225i or 125i whenever my wallet recovers from the amp.
L.
650 is dark, I’d suggest the 600. It’s a bit more neutral, faster, more aggressive and doesn’t have the bass impact from the 650. For the LCD-2 you would need a good amp and based on your other question (about amps) your budget doesn’t cut that. So why not a 600 with a Crack 😀
Eric Thompson
Hmmm the LCD-2 really needs a $800+ amp? I thought about the crack but I sorta wanna open up the box and try it out not build the thing first?
Iv always wanted to walk around town with LCD-2’s or even HD800’s and a National or continental or a Headstage Arrow? That little guy has some power. I spouse I could WALK around town with the Pan Am lol.
I was worried about the 600’s because everyone seems to like the 650’s, id like the extra bass but not at the expense of the speed and details.
So HD600’s or HE400? What about the HE-500? or the 5 or 5LE?
Nick Tam
HD600 with Crack is killer combo. Crack can’t drive the hifiman and lcd-2/3 orthos, but you can with those solid state portables you’ve mentioned.
L.
I wouldn’t be looking at Hifiman (except for the HE400) unless your amp has some serious power. HE-400 is a good allrounder
Trent_D
No love for the HE-300?
L.
Is dynamic 😉
Trent_D
zing!
Nick Tam
He is talking about the hard to drive stuff and big, big, BIG amps… so I’m guessing he won’t settle for less than a HE-400 at least
Eric Thompson
I think I’m leaning to the HE-400 or the HD600’s but from what I have read the Asgard and the M-Stage should drive the HE-500’s fine
Mike
The M-Stage I think may have enough power for the HE-500. The Asgard, yes in terms of loudness but I don’t think it did an adequate job with the HE-500.
Mike
I think you should give the HD600 a try. It’s legendary.
Other than that I thought the new HE-400 is a very nice buy for the price. Gives you that planar sound with a reasonably dark — similar to LCD-2 tonality.
ShaneWicks
Hi Mike, I have an HD800 and am trying to choose between a burson HA160 or lehmann black cube linear. Given that I am able to get them at roughly the same price (500USD) which one do you think I should go for. Many thanks for your years of great reviewing.
Mike
Shane,
The Lehmann is a very fast, precise amp. The least colored amps from all amps I’ve heard. I’d listen it for well recorded pieces, classical, audiophile Jazz and stuff.
The Burson is great with PRaT, bass impact. Shines with music like Electronica and Rock (though not the HD800).
Felipe Torres Marques
Hey, what’s up Mike/Lieven!
I’m looking for a fullsize headphone w/ a soung signature somewhat similar to my JH5 Pro. Is there anything that could match its sound sig. and also runs nice from a FiiO E10? The only thing that comes to my mind is a HE-400, am I right? What about the AKG K550?
Thanks!
Uwe Schubert
Hi Mike,
I’m looking for an affordable headphone amp (< $250) which I connect
to a phono stage. The headphone amp should have a stereo pre-out to
relay the audio signal (with minimal loss of sound quality) to my
Dynaudio Xeo's transmitter box. I don't need an integrated DAC.
My headphones: ATH ES-10, Beyerdynamic 990 DT-Pro, Alessandro MS1
It's a pity that there isn't any affordable and good sounding
headphone/phono amp combination (Am I right?).
Fiio E9K could be the choice, but I don't need a DAC. Suggested products
as the Audinst HUD-mx1 don't have analog inserts …
Do you have any suggestions? Thank you a lot!
Mike
Uwe,
<$250, perhaps would be better off with a portable like the JDSLabs C421 since I don't really have a good recommendation for a sub $250 desktop amp. You'd need an RCA to 3.5mm cable to hook up the phono stage to the amp.
http://www.headfonia.com/flyin-high-jdslabs-c421/
Uwe Schubert
Hi Mike,
Thank you for your recommendation! Unfortunately portable usually don’t have pre-outs which I need to use both headphones and speakers. Considered signal chain: Turntable > phono stage > headphone amp > jack: headphones & pre-outs: Dynaudio Xeo transmitter (> speakers).
Aziz Firat
Hi Mike/Lieven!
First of all, really appreciate the time you guys put into this site! This was very helpfull for me and it’s really cool to see that you guys also take the time to help others :).
My question is, I just got the Bowers & Wilkins P5 headphones and I’m searching for a dac/amp that I can use with it since the output from my Macbook Pro is not powerfull enough. I’m not using iTunes anymore of course, I’ve switched to Fidelia and even that made a difference in sound quality. I’m more of a (90’s) R&B listener.
There are some dac/amps I saw/read some stuff about, I wonder what you guys recommend to me:
– FiiO E10
– Audinst HUD-mini + OPA2227
– Aune T1 (most cool looking of them all :))
– Audinst HUD-mx1
– Audioengine D1
I’m reading a lot of good stuff about these (besides the Aune since there is just 1 review). What would be the best choice for me?
Thanks!!
Nick Tam
E10. Don’t care whether if it sounds inferior to the others but you’ve gotta have one of these bang for the buck DAC/Amps.
But if I were to put these into different tiers:
Fiio E10
T1, D1, HUD-Mini,
MX1
Not sure about the T1 though as I have no experience. But I’ve just looked it up and see that it is a hybrid tube amp? You can expect a very midrange centric sound, may be a hit-or-miss depending on your preference. Not much is known about it either. There’s also a X1 which is solid state. But if it has that tube sound to it, it may be a very good combination. Who knows, these Chinese amps really do surprise me with their unbelievably good sound for price.
E10 may not be superior to the others but it’s just good value for money if you’re running a entry level setup. Black background and good soundstage image.
D1 is that the sound it produces has a sort of dull and coldness to it, lacking musicality if you know what I mean. Rereading other reviews, they all indicate that the D1 is very neutral sounding .
Mini being the more funner sounding amongst the two Audinst. I’d go for the Mini, won’t really look for technicalities in a entry level setup but the choice is yours. Although if I had to choose between the MX1 and D1 for roughly the same price, I might go for the MX1 since neutral sounding may not be suited for most listeners
Aziz Firat
Thanks Nick for the quick response! Appreciate it!
Now I’m thinking between de E10, T1 and Mini. I just played some music with the EQ between 200hz and 6k hz some points higher than the rest. I felt like its really good with “live instruments” but whenever I listened to a more uptempo pop song I didn’t like it that much. Is that how a tube amp would sounds like or am I wrong?
Trent_D
I would second the e10. It is a lot of fun and a tremendious bang for the buck item. (I actually think it sounds better then the D1 anyway). The Hud mini also looks like a good buy.
Nick Tam
I think that’s more of a problem with the synergy between your music and your P5 headphones. The typical characteristics of a tube amplifier is a smooth midrange, more noticeable with vocals and classical recordings. When you say “pop” I’m guessing you’re referring to mainstream recordings but I’m not sure what you mean that you didn’t like about it.
Aziz Firat
Up-tempo/pop songs I mean.. Just an example but when I played the following song http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crrOl0egI00, it sounded closed with the midrange higher on the EQ. The bass was not really booming.
When reading a review about the Aune T1, the reviewer describes it sound as this:
“The sonic signature of the T1 can be described as dynamic, spacious and
with a nice crispness…. it’s not “warm” and “flowing”, as is usually
expected from something containing a “tube”, it’s actually full of
impact with a toenail curling bottom end…. think out of head, think
3D, think space, think layers…. the T1 doesn’t so much paint a musical
tapestry, it creates free flowing sonic art…. a very perky
performance which is musically engaging and thrilling..”
So it doesn’t have typical tube amp sound.
Ugh whish I could just test them all out.. lol
Mike
Azis,
I listened to the Ne-Yo clip..
I don’t know how the T1 sounds, but for songs like the Ne-Yo, you need something with a fast pace and good bass articulation. Usually those are not the strengths of a tube set up. Hybrid does better, but still solid state tend to be best.
I think you should look into either the Fiio E17 or the HRT HeadStreamer. Both have very good bass impact and good pace. The HeadStreamer superior in bass articulation, the E17 on soundstage.
With the P5, I personally would go for the HeadStreamer.
Aziz Firat
Thanks Mike for the fast response, as I’ve said earlier.. This is something I listen too but I listen more to songs like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81gW2Tyg8tM
Would you still recommend the HeadStreamer or?
Mike
Aziz,
What Nick said.
thethirty3rd
Hey Headfonia!
Are you guys going to review the FitEar TG334 soon?
Mike
It’s an excellent IEM, easily one of the best in the market, but at the moment I really haven’t planned a review. If you have any questions for it I can help you answer it here.
Felipe Torres Marques
Hey, what’s up Mike/Lieven!
I’m looking for a fullsize headphone w/ a soung signature somewhat similar to my JH5 Pro. Is there anything that could match its sound sig. and also runs nice from a FiiO E10? The only thing that comes to my mind is a HE-400, am I right? What about the AKG K550?
Thanks!
Mike
The HE-400 would be pretty close, though the sound is more forward than a JH5. THe LCD-2 would probably be a closer bet to the JH5.
Amping, I wouldn’t expect the E10 to drive the HE-400 or LCD-2 well. The K550, not quite the same.
lintonsofly
Hey guys, love the work you do, i always eagerly await the next post.
I currently own the he-500, which sound absolutely amazing, but i’m looking into selling them because they’re just a bit too big and heavy for me and that sometimes gets in the way of enjoying the music. Is there a headphone that has a similar kind of sound but wins in the comfort department?
L.
Sennheiser HD700 maybe, but it’s not the same. I would however replace it with that.Tough to explain. Maybe Mike is better at it 🙂
Mike
Yes I would recommend the HD700 as well, but it’s not going to be the same. Some aspects the HD700 is better, some the HE500.
lintonsofly
I think the hd700 might be a little (or alot :P) out of my price range. Would the HD600/650 be worth looking into?
L.
Of course they are worth it but that’s a whole different sound signature
Nick Tam
hifiman: plannar sound, better PRaT and spacious.
sennheiser: warm sennheiser house sound and dynamic driver sound, more relaxed…
I’ve described the characteristics of the two headphones but honestly, you can’t compare them directly as they work best for different music.
Mike
Thanks, Nick. I failed to mention about the PRaT of the Hifiman.
Trent_D
Mike or L (although I believe only Mike has listened to the Pan Am), what are the differences between the sound of the Pan Am and the Bottlehead Crack/Dacport LX with the HD650?
Nick Tam
I think a really good comparison would be between the PanAm DAC, Kingrex UD384 and possibly the Rein Audio X-DAC with the Dacport LX as a reference, too bad Mike and L. reviewed these gears separately (Well Mike for most)
Mike
The DAC part, I like the PanAm better. It’s warmer, slightly more grainy though not HRT grainy, slightly darker than the Dacport LX.
The amp part, I like the Crack better with the HD650. More spacious soundstage.
Atriya
Hello Mike. I’d be very grateful if you could recommend a headphone for me. I listen to a lot of SOLO CLASSICAL PIANO. A lot of the recordings are old – from the 50s, 60s, 70s. Some will be older, and in mono. I also listen to the occasional piano concerto, symphony, or quartet. My budget is around $250.
Nick Tam
K550 and HD600. HD600 require some amping however.
Mike
Thanks Nick. @atriya:disqus go with the HD600, works better with the older ADD and Mono recordings than the K550. A $60 Cmoy should suffice for amping the HD600.
http://www.headfonia.com/60-pack-of-awesome-jdslabs-cmoy/
Trent_D
The clarity on the K550 can be unforgiving on bad recordings. Although, it is always fun to come across older recordings that still sound immaculate. The premier recording of Shostakovich’s cello concert from 1960 still sounds amazing, even with the a fore mentioned clarity.
Atriya
Mike the HD600 is still over $300, which is all I can spend. Do you think I should pick the HD598 over the K550 for my purposes (mainly solo piano and piano concerto, some symphonies and quartets)? I was also thinking about the MS2.
Atriya
Thanks. The HD600 is bit too expensive I think, but I’ve been looking at the K550. Do you think it would be better than the Senn HD598 for solo classical piano?
Trent_D
I believe the K550 is suppose to have a bit more low end, which is nice for piano.
Atriya
I believe it also has problems with its upper-mid, which is bad for piano. Quite confusing! I’m mainly trying to decide between the HD598 and K550 now.
Trent_D
I don’t have any problems with the upper mids on the K550.
Atriya
Okay, thanks for the recommendation!
Moo
Hi Mike!
I have sold the DLIII, as It wasn’t quite what I was looking for (it does sound amazing though. Definition-I wanted to try something else :D). I ordered a Schiit Gungnir, which I’m going to pickup from FedEx in a few hours (they close late here in SoCal luckily!)
I think I’ll love it! I’ve heard a pre-production version, but not with my HD650s. I heard it with some LCD-2’s and a Mjolnir.
Are you ever planning on reviewing either of those?
Thanks!
Mike
Sorry, a bit difficult for me to get the Gungnir otherwise I’d gladly do the review.
Moo
Oh, that’s really too bad! I can tell you that it sounds excellent, much better than the DLIII to me (personal preference, some might like the DLIII more).
It’s far more airy. Plus being able to use full 192kHz USB is a huge plus! I have an AudioQuest Cinnamon coming on Friday. I just listened to Cat Stevens’ ‘Father And Son’ for the first time. Oh my Gawd…what an amazing song…even better at 192kHz from HDtracks!!!
I’m happy!
Moo
Mike
Glad to hear you’re enjoying the new set up, Moo.. sorry I couldn’t do a review. 😉
Moo
Thanks! Definitely do one if you come across one, I think it’s really something great!
Moo
Also, I’m curious: do any DACs cause you to have a little white noise if the Crack is turned all the way up (no music playing of course). I’m just curious, I thought DACs were supposed to be silent, but at about 1 o’clock on the Crack’s pot, there is some white noise.
I also had an interesting issue when on ‘Wild World’, there was some screeching in the background. I quit Audirvana+ and it was gone. I guess it was Audirvana+ or my crappy USB cable? I have an AudioQuest Cinnamon coming in the mail for me today, so I’m excited!
Nick Tam
No, the white noise you’re referring to is most likely the noise floor. In this case it’s most likely something’s not grounded properly on your Crack and you might need to troubleshoot it. DACs shouldn’t cause “white noise” of the sort unless I’m wrong in assuming what you’re hearing is not the noise floor.
Moo
It didn’t have this noise floor with the PS Audio…anyway I’m having some problems with that glitch, please follow this thread if you want to be updated: http://www.computeraudiophile.com/f11-software/audirvana-plus-direct-mode-12261/
Thanks!
Moo
Nick Tam
Oh didn’t realize that it really was DAC specific… looked through the thread and I’m guessing it’s a software bug or problem with USB implementation of the sort, in the meanwhile, get a DAC that doesn’t have white noise?
Moo
Yeah, I have a feeling I’ll be returning it, sadly. I don’t know if the white noise is really a fault or not…it sounds like it’s coming from inside my head if that is any help. Have any recommendations at the roughly $850 price point?
Thanks!
Moo
Mike
$850 for a DAC?
The KingRex UD384 should be available for less than that around $600-$700 with the UPower.
Mike
The noise, may be due to the Crack amp not the DAC.
The screeching in the background noise is a bit awkward, and to be honest I’m not so sure what it is.
Danny Utoyo
Hi mike..could you describe sound differences from ex1000 vs akg k3003 vs fitear 334TG please..which one do you prefer and what the advantage and disadvantage one and another…thanks..
Mike
EX1000: I love the dynamic driver, and this one has the best dynamic driver in the business (I’ve yet to listen to the IE800). Problem is the treble can get very sharp very quick. If only it was darker, I’d take it over the FitEar or the K3003.
K3003: Sorry I just can’t appreciate this. BA + Dynamic mix done very poorly. It’s obvious the bass doesn’t belong with the treble and mids. Tuning is pretty good, you get a pretty good treble/mids that plays well with mainstream recordings, and you have the bass to complete the music. Other than that, there is nothing special in terms of technicalities, but the dynamic + BA mix just killed this IEM for me. $1,300? They probably should price it $500 and I’m just saying that because it’s built very well and comes with fancy packaging and accessories.
334TG: Multi driver BA. I’m not a BA fan and I’m not a multi-driver fan (check my comment on facebook: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=473512576026778&set=a.283848904993147.77118.145341288843910&type=1) .FitEar has managed to make their 334 as close as possible to a single driver IEM despite it having 3 (or 4?) drivers. You can still hear the BA sound, but overall it’s pretty liquid and something I can live with. Hugeee soundstage, impressive tonality, great vocals. I’ve yet to find a person who’s not impressed with the FitEar.
Disclaimer: My store sells the EX1000 and the FitEar 334ToGo. We sell AKGs (K81DJ, K550, K420 etc) but not the 3003.
Danny Utoyo
Wow..thanks a lot for your quick and detailed info Mike…sound like 334tg is a “killer” universal IEM..but the price tag absolutely killing my wallet too… 🙂
Mike
Yes the IE800 looks promising with all the innovations. Let’s hope Senn will do this one better than the IE8 and IE80.
Trent_D
Here is something I keep forgetting to ask. When you have a DAC that has a very narrow sound stage, and an amp with a monster wide stage, who wins? Would the amp’s sound stage win over, would the DAC constrict the amp, or would it end up somewhere in the middle? Besides just being a question that I think is interesting, I was wondering how the sound stage of the headstage DAC cable (very narrow) and the JDSlabs cMoy (wide) would compare with the Mini Matrix Portable?
Mike
If you’re used to listening to different DACs and amps, you can tell that it’s the case of the DAC being narrow and the amp sort of boosting the soundstage. You would get a somehow spacious soundstage but only 75% filled.
Quite like feeding the HD800 from lousy source & amps. Hence the so-called “artificial” soundstage.
The biggest difference between the Headstage + Cmoy vs Matrix Mini portable is that the former is going to be spacious (the cmoy) and a brighter (the Headstage). The Matrix is very dark, not so spacious, but very black background.
Something like the HRT MS2 would do a much better job of filling the Cmoy’s soundstage.
Trent_D
Yeah, but I want those full bodied mids, heavy low end and black background.
Nick Tam
If you want black, black, black background… go for Kingrex UD384
Trent_D
Someday. You mark my words. Someday.
Nick Tam
I too want it… but that would mean spilling out more from my wallet and I don’t think the UD384 without the UPower is that much of a massive upgrade over the MS2+ I’m using right now…
Urgh and I’m tempted by second hand Rein Audio X-Dacs… I have no idea when to upgrade
Mike
The matrix actually makes for a pretty nice solution just by itself. It’s not a technicalities king like the Kingrex, but it does the job for me.
Mike
Then you should be excited about the Matrix.. or the KingRex as Nick said.
Rūdolfs Putniņš
Hey, guys!
Looks like my HD25-II doesn’t have the synergy with my glasses so they have to go. Now I’m looking at IEM’s.
Have you tried the UE TF10 and the Vsonic GR07?
Mike
If you want the same PRaT to your HD25-1, then TF10 (actually a bit better PRaT with the TF10). GR07 is quite special in the mids, medium PRaT (honestly I’m not such a big fan of the 07, GR02 is more fun IMO). TF10 is somehow like the HD25-1 in the way that it’s proven over the years to still be one of the most popular IEMs around, even when other IEMs newer than it (W3, UM3X, IE8, etc) have come and go. You need to give it a try and see what the hype is all about.
ryan
Yesterday I received a box delivered to me without the dacport lx….just got the unit delivered to me today….i am playing with it now and found out when i move the usb cable around, the signal to the dac seems to cut off sometimes or having distorted sound….it is normal or usb connector part of the dac having problem?
Mike
That sounds like a problem with the usb connector, Ryan.
ryan
Yeah, i am going to get it exchange for another unit. The jaben guys are going to send me a new one.
Trent_D
Mike, Nick and L, you should check out Ivan Fischer’s recording of Mahler’s First symphony. I downloaded it 24/96 from channel classics website, and Judas Rockin’ Priest, even connected to the headstage DAC cable and cMoy, the K550 put out more thunderous bass than I thought possible. I wonder what it would sound like with something like a HD650.
Mike
Thunderous bass with the K550 is very interesting…
Trent_D
It had to have been the recording, as when I went back to try some of my old standards, the ear piece rattling bass wasn’t there anymore.
Atriya
Hello Mike. I’m looking to buy my first pair of ‘audiophile’ headphones and am trying to decide between the HD598, K550, (Alessandro-Grado) MS2 and ATH-AD900. I listen to a lot of solo classical piano, but also some piano concerto, symphony and quartet. Which headphone do you think should be best for me? I’m leaning towards the K550 at present, since your review of it is so positive.
Mike
@atriya:disqus I still think that the HD650 is best for piano solos, concertos and symphonies. The K550 is very nice, but I still need a stronger bass impact for piano and symphonies. Also for string quartets the HD650’s timbre is better than the K550.
Atriya
I can’t afford the HD650! Can you recommend something within $300 please?
Nick Tam
HD600 if you can live with it… maybe the Hifiman HE-300? Dunno what Mike has to say about that
Atriya
The HD600 is still above $300 (and I don’t want to buy used). The HE-300 is less than $300, but the question is: is it more suitable for piano than the HD598, K550, MS2 and ATH-AD900?
Mike
@atriya:disqus I think the HE-300, the HD598, and the K550 are relatively good for piano, each in their own ways.
Guest
reading from different sources, the K550 seems to be the one in the middle out of those selection of headphones.
Vern
You can oftentimes find a used HD650 for ~$300 nowadays in mint condition or near it. That in my opinion, would be your best bang for buck, considering the magic that the HD650 provides when amp’d well. I was once against buying used items as well, but as expensive as the audiophile hobby is, and the quality difference being minimal to none, it’s the wisest choice!
Atriya
Thanks, in fact I’ve found a refurbished HD650 for ~$330, which should be a very good deal (unless buying refurbished is not a good idea – please advise me on this). There’s also a HD600 refurbished for ~$230. Is the HD650 significantly better than the HD600 for piano? How much better is it than the HD598? And finally, can the HD6xx be amped reasonably well for less than $75?
Vern
‘Better’ is subjective, but if you must ask, I prefer the 650 to 600 when it comes to the piano/jazz/classical/female vocals. The laid back presentation of the 650 just brings a nice pleasant sound for long listening sessions. Never heard the 598s so I can’t comment there. To me, minimally well would be at least Asgard level (~$250) but I haven’t tried the fiio amps (which are around your price range) with the hd6**
Atriya
Thanks. Buying refurbished isn’t a bad idea, is it? I also can’t spend more than $100 for an amp, so I’ll have to find out how HD6xx works with Fiio.
Trent_D
Buy a JDSlabs cMoy with a 24v AC adapter. That will give you good musicality with the HD650. Mike was right when he called it a $60 pack of awesome!
Mike
True. That Cmoy especially in a 24v package can be extremely mind blowing. AND it pairs very well with the 300Ω senns.
Nick Tam
I still don’t get why you guys are saying that the HD6xx are really expensive… because I swear a brand new HD600 is merely $320 straight off from on online Hong Kong store
http://www.accessoryjack.com/sennheiser-hd600-open-dynamic-hifi-professional-headphones.html
On the plus side for the HD600, you can drive it far easier with portables.
Mike
@facebook-692862021:disqus That’s because you’re in Hong Kong and we’re not!
Nick Tam
That store happens to have free international shipping!!! So that price is valid!
Mike
DANG! Awesome deal!
Atriya
I was thinking of getting a factory refurbished HD650 for $330 rather than a new HD600 for $320, unless buying refurbished headphones is generally a bad idea. Is it?
Secondly, if it comes to that, I’d rather buy a HD650 and use it UNAMPED for a couple of months till I can buy buy an amp worthy of it. I may not even have to do this if the JDSlabs cMoy is fine for the HD650. The $60 price of that is fine for me.
Lastly, you talk of the HE-300 if I buy a lower-end headphone. Would it be more suitable than the HD598 or K550 (for mostly solo piano + some orchestral music)?
Nick Tam
Well… that depends on whether you could survive that period running the HD650 unamped and resist selling it…
But factory refurbished HD650 is a good deal. Go for it. Yes the CMoy would have to suffice until you can get a bigger amp but the reason I’m suggesting the other combinations because you’re obviously on a very tight budget.
Atriya
As long as the un-amped HD650 can sound better than a pair of $30 Sony headphones with completely worn-out pads, I can resist selling it – because that’s the headphone I’ve been using for the last 6 years! 🙂 I think I’ll go for the refurbished then since it’s so much cheaper. I may not even buy the CMoy now – I’ll just buy a better amp in a couple of months.
The reason I’m asking about the HE-300 is: let’s say I decide NOT to get the HD650/600 and instead get a < $300 new headphone which can be driven by a Fiio. In such a situation, would the HE-300 be better for me than the HD598 or K550 (for mainly solo piano, also some orchestral music).
Mike
@atriya:disqus Sennheiser’s flagship from the 90s is definitely better than a $30 Sony even unamped.
Nick Tam
Hey guys, speaking of unamped, I was like… how did it used to sound? I was using an iPod Video before and that didn’t work… so I pulled out my Sansa Clip+ knowing it had low output impedance
Is it just me or does the Sansa Clip+ able to drive the HD650 to a relatively LOUD volume without distortions??? I’m rather surprised o.O or is the HD650 not that hard to drive as I thought it to be?
Vern
An unamped 650 doesn’t sound terrible, but you’re definitely not going to like it if you’ve never heard (and are not expecting) the ‘650 veil’. At your budget, and unless you plan to spend more in the future, I’d seriously consider the HD600, which has a much more like-able sound signature, and has been seen for ~$260-280 used. It will run well with most cheaper amps as well.
Atriya
I do intend to spend more in the future. That’s why I’m seriously considering the HD650. I should be able to buy a proper amp for it in a couple of months. Thanks for the recommendation though!
Nick Tam
At first I too got the HD650 running unamped for test run. Sounds crazy but I got defeated by the $330 price tag so I was like… “why not”… doesn’t hurt my wallet that much if I could sell it. Then got myself a Fiio E17 and saw that Sennheiser veil vanish completely. Driving it isn’t that hard, but then moving onto the Crack, the differences in the technicalities, 3-dimensiality just blew me away. The HD650 does scale up immensely, but what I’m saying is that you don’t know what you were missing running an entry level setup with the HD650. It is well worth getting the HD650 as it is truly a classic hi-fi headphone.
ryan
Just save up till u can afford the HD650. I just got one and loving it
Trent_D
I obviously haven’t heard the hd650, but I love the clarity of the K550 for string quartets.
Christopher Tawney
After much debate I am at a loss for what I should purchase but right as I was about to pull the trigger on the HD600 my work scheduled changed and I need a comfortable probably over ear pair of closed-back headphones instead (long periods of studying in a seminary library). I am planning on pairing them with an ALO National, I currently own a pair of Monster Miles Davis Signature IEMs which I mostly like (forward midrange) and a pair of Bose QC’s which I’ve owned for 8 years and desperately want to replace. Most of my listening is indie rock and classical. I have considered ATH-M50, Beyerdynamics, etc. my major concern is that I have a budget of 400 dollars and I love a warm sound signature with good technicalities. Any suggestions?
Gorboman
How about a Beyer DR770?
Mike
DT770 is a pretty good recommendation, as long as you stick with the 80Ω version. The Denon D2000 is also another good one.
Christopher Tawney
I’ve read that the DT770’s really lack mids which concerns me because I do really like a warm sound. Do you have any thoughts on this? I also haven’t been able to find anywhere to purchase the D2000’s. The T70’s are out of my price range but I have considered waiting and buying something in more that range if that’s what I need to do to get what I really want. Do you recommend anything else in that price range
Gorboman
how about hifiman he-300 or he-400 if it can squeeze in your budget?
Christopher Tawney
That was the direction I was thinking originally (between HD600 and HE-400 but an open headphone is not practical due to sound leakage (it’s a really quiet library). I am definitely considering the DT770’s. They’ve got to be better than the Bose and hopefully one day I can invest in an open pair for use at home. I don’t really see any other closed cans that fit. But if you can come up with other options that would be great.
Gorboman
Since you’ll be pairing it with ALO National, if possible you can try auditioning the Mad Dog by Mr. Speakers. Take some time to read their website about what options you can have to fit in your budget and whether they have a return policy in case you can’t get a free audition.
Other than that, I can’t think of anything else. Sorry.
Christopher Tawney
Thanks Gorboman, I will definitely take a look into that.
Mike
The DT770 250Ω is quite v-shaped. The 80Ω is not so bad, but yes the mids aren’t the fullest.
Paired with the National, the amp’s tonality does help to fill up the mids, or if you haven’t bought the National, the Matrix Portable is an even better pairing with the DT770 80Ω.
Christopher Tawney
Thanks Mike I really appreciate the help and your reviews. When I read reviews it seemed as though my requirements were pretty near impossible but your suggestions definitely seems like the best option in my price range.
Christopher Tawney
I hate to ask another question but in regards to the Matrix versus the National I see in your comments that your really favoring the Matrix over the Continental. The Matrix was the cheaper option but I was considering running the National with HRT MusicStreamer II and then eventually I am planning to also get a pair of open headphones either HD600 or Hifiman HE-400. Would the National+MusicStreamer II or Matrix be a better setup assuming I have DT770’s and HD-600?
Mike
@twitter-25462554:disqus With the HE-400, I need to do a test run to see if either the National or the Matrix can do a good job driving it.
With the DT770, I definitely prefer the Matrix.
With the HD600, I can live with either the Matrix or the National.
Christopher Tawney
Thanks for the input. I’m definitely leaning toward the Matrix. The fact that it has a solid integrated DAC is awesome.
Christopher Tawney
How about the V-Moda M-80 or new M-100. It’s not a brand I would have originally looked at but after reading so many positive reviews I’m unsure. How would they compare to the DT770?
Mike
The M-80 is a lot of fun! Fast pace, tight punchy bass, clean sound. I enjoy that headphone very much, more than the DT770 to be honest. Of course the soundstage is smaller than the DT770 but I didn’t feel that to be a problem.
The M-100 is going to be better from what people have said.
Gorboman
The M-80 is good. But their Crossfade series are not completely sealed headphones. They have 3 V shaped grills on the back of the face plate. So sound may leak a little, in compensation of a slightly airy feel.
From what I’ve read, the M-100 sounded as good as the M-80, but the midrange is more intimate in the M-80. The M-100 beat the M-80 in sound stage. Both are tuned for DJ style of music and to use in noisy environments (like the bus or the subway).
I previously owned an M-80. Compared to the DT770/80, I prefer the M-80 sound signature. The DT770 won me on the comfort factor.
Konstantin
Hi Mike,
I have HD800 with ALO Reference 8 Salty Pepper cable. My source is HiFiman HM-801. Though I enjoy the sound very much, I am curious what you think about this set up. Is the internal amp good enough to drive HD800 properly or I should look for another amp.
Thanks!
Mike
The HD800 straight out of the HM-801 is one of the easiest, best sounding set up you can get for the HD800. The HM-801 amp is moderately powerful, but the HD800 doesn’t really require a powerful amp, just a refined one and the HM-801 amp has a pretty good refinement. What makes the pairing works very well is the resolution of the PCM1704 DAC and the dark laid back signature. It’s a nice combo and you should enjoy it.
Danny Utoyo
I think Mike’s statement is really spot on. I’ve experienced try to pair HM801 with some good (or maybe I can say the best) portable amp ATM like SR-71A and RX mk3-B, and I do find that going directly from HM801 HO is the most “refined” sounding when using it with HD800 (for portable use).
KejlIb Bruks
Hello,
I have a little bit different question. I am wondering what headphone would be best for listening to spoken language. I am a linguist who will be working on transcribing languages so I need to be able to hear things like nasality in vowels, tone,…in general I need really clear audio to pick out intricacies of speech. They also need to be really comfortable for long term wear. I find many headphones way to uncomfortable to wear. I have a limited budget (I am a student) but can spend up to 300 for a setup.
I have thought about DT880s…Thoughts?
Thanks to anyone who can help
Mike
The HD25-1 I heard is a favorite with TV crews since it spells out vocals very clearly. You can also see sports commentators using the HD25-1 with the microphone. Probably would be my recommendation.
The DT880 is a good monitoring headphone with higher resolution than the HD25-1, but I’m not sure how that applies in your situation.
KejlIb Bruks
“I’m not sure how that applies in your situation.” Me either – I know almost nothing about headphones…I wore them and found them comfortable…
Thanks Mike
Mike
You’re welcome, Kejllb
Steven Setiawan
Hello everyone… I own hd 650 with graham slee srg ii and pico usb dac.. Just want to ask how about ur opinion this setup? I really enjoy my setup now for rnb pop audiophile with medium to slow pace music.. How about upgrade to he 500? It is really upgrade or sidegrade?
Nick Tam
I think your HD650 is well driven to justify not to upgrade to the HE-500. and the HD650 is still a winner with slower paced music for me due to the relaxed bass
Mike
What Nick said is true. But if you still want to get the HE-500, I don’t see why not. It’s quite different than the HD-650 and the 500 happens to sound nice out of the SRG II.
Steven Setiawan
Thanks Mike.. maybe later want to upgrade for he 500.. One more question mike.. For your personal taste, which one do you like better he 500 or hd 650?
Mike
With the Solo SRGII, I like the HE-500 better. HD650 gets too sleepy on that amp. 😉
Vern
I’ve never heard the Solo SRG II, and excuse me for my ignorance MIke, but isn’t the power output of the Solo SRG II relatively low in comparison to what is generally considered an acceptable pairing for the planars?
Mike
The power numbers isn’t that good for the Solo, true. Somehow it made for a really nice pairing tough. I don’t know how.
Steven Setiawan
Cant wait for next upgrade… Mike just want to ask one more question again.. what headphone which have weightier sound and full body than hd 650?
Mike
Not sure if you can get any more weight than the HD650. That’s why I can’t let the old senn go.
Vern
As an HD650 to HE-500 fan myself, you won’t be disappointed by what the HE-500 has to offer. The HE-500s get a large portion of my listening time now, and the HD650s really only get listening time when I’m trying to get drowsy and fall asleep :). In my opinion, the HE-500 is a clear upgrade of the HD650.
Mike
Thanks, Vern
Mike
A few days ago someone was asking about the HE-400 pairing with the National or the Matrix Portable. I’m listening to the combo right now, A-Bing between the two. The Matrix is the better amp for the HE-400. Better dynamics, stronger bass punch. I also like the tonality of the Matrix better.
Mike
Not only is the Matrix + HE-400 pairing more solid than the National, but it’s such a good pairing I’m really digging the music out of this pairing.
Christopher Tawney
That’s awesome! Thanks Mike for looking into it. I think i’m definitely going to go for the Matrix.
Mike
Ah you’re welcome, Christopher!
AceVanCleef
Hey guys
Does anyone have experience with a Monster Beats Pro by dr.dre?
I’d like to read a testreport on this site, but couldn’t find any.
Could you write one please?
L.
Troll? 😉
Don’t expect it on this site, sorry. It’s not that we have anything against Beats but it’s not going to happen.
Nick Tam
Headfonia was THAT close to becoming a troll site
ryan
I am currently using WMP for ripping cds to WAV lossless 16/44.1
Will be there be any difference if using other software eg. foobar, jrm for ripping to WAV lossless 16/44.1?
Mike
Supposedly some software does conversions better, but I haven’t really compared. Personally I just use iTunes.
Gorboman
Remember those spidermanish headphones you posted on facebook? They’re at can jam. Single sided magnet, planar magnetic headphones. Link to innerfidelity http://www.innerfidelity.com/content/canjam-rmaf-2012-jps-labs-abyss-prototype-planar-magnetic-headphone
Mike
Thanks for the link!
Song Kyung-han
Headfonia, do you have plans to review any of the following products in the near future?
– Fostex TH900
– V-MODA M-100
– iRiver Astell & Kern AK100
– Hifiman HM-901
– Woo WA7
– Fosgate Signature headphone amp
L.
About half yes
Paul Laguna
Looking for a recommendation for two different headphones, or 1 more expensive do it all, and what you’d consider an appropriate amp/DAC (majority of my music is lossless) for either/or that can cover my main bases of R&B, alt rock, and techno/electronica. I’d like to keep each piece around the magic $300 mark. Thanks!
Nick Tam
TMA-1 for electro/techno, Grado SR80i for rock?
Gorboman
I’m guessing you’ll like the HD25-1.
Mike
Check what Nick said, also the Philips Fidelio L1 and HD25-1.
Trent_D
Mike, I know this is a fairly general question, but what would be the differences between the Pan Am (with the passport and stock tubes) and the MS2+ and Asgard, particularly in terms of soundstage and bass body and impact.
Mike
The soundstage would be better, but bass body and impact should roughly be the same.
Still you can’t evaluate an amp like that though. The Pan Am is a much cleaner sound.
Trent_D
I am aware. Just trying to put two and two together. Thanks for the answer! And, oh, one more question (sorry). How is the tonal balance on the 6AK5W Siemens tube?
Mike
The Siemens is mid-centric, very full on the mids and upper bass.
Nick Tam
why not wait for the upcoming Fiio E12? I doubt the 700mk2 needs much amping though other than to give the bass a tad bit more texture, it is a very sensitive headphone to begin with. A simple CMoy would also work quite well but personally, I run a 700mk2 unamped.
Tomasz Jakubczyk
Hi Mike.
Today I left my BD T50p for the repair (fragile cable, broke already twice). I know you don’t like them too much, but I happened to buy them in between your first and second impression;-)
Anyway, I looked around in the shop for some other headphones (T50p break far too often) and listened to some not too pricey models. I liked the sound of Beyerdynamic Custom One Pro, but they are a bit too big for the road and too isolating for the office. After rejecting a few too bassy cans I listened to Grado SR80i and I am contemplating buying them for office and gettin Sennheiser PX100-II for the road.
Now questions:
1. After the repair I will have T50p and Grado’s – do you think they are substantially different to justify the purchase of Grado’s?
2. Would I profit from buying a small amp to any of these headphones? I would like to spend sub $ 100. Something from your Sub $100 Portable Amps Shootout?
3. How would Grado compare to B&W P5? (a bit pricey but then I would not buy PX100 at all)
I would forget, I listen to a wide range of music: classical, rock (Pink Floyd, Red Hot Ch. P., Nirvana, Radiohead, Skunk Anansie), R&B (Macy Gray, Missy Elliott, Erykah Badu), vocals
Tomasz Jakubczyk
Hi Mike,
I own Beyerdynamic T50p, Grado SR80i and Sennheiser PX100-IIi. Would it make sense to buy a portable amp for the first two? Something from your “Sub $100 Portable Amps Shootout”?
Mike
Tomasz,
T50p not so much but the Grado will benefit from an amp. I would recommend the PA2V2 or the JDSLabs Cmoy from that article
Tomasz Jakubczyk
Thanks a lot Mike!
Tomasz Jakubczyk
Guys, please ignore the long post from “Guest” from two days ago, sorry for creating a mess. I left a comment with some questions and since then I responded to some questions myself so I came back to delete the post, but in fact I just lost the ownership for this post.
Mike
No problem, Tomasz
ryan
Hi mike, any experience with yulong 1704 dac or d18?
Let’s say I am using a particular dac, digital signal ouput from a rp300k dvd player and rp6juta marantz cd player. Any difference between the 2 since it’s using the same external dac?
Mike
No experience with those DACs.
Can’t say, you’ll have to try it out.
Nick Tam
Hey question if you guys have any idea, I’m using my HRT MS2+ and Crack to play a track and get tonz of sibilance. Run it through the E17 and it’s gone. Is this an indication of a bad track? Or is it just because the E17 is far less resolving?
Trent_D
What is the track? Are you using the HD650, because that seems like a perfect storm of things that WONT give you sibilance.
Nick Tam
Exactly the problem. I’m getting Sibilance on my HD650 for the very first time
Trent_D
I am speechless. A dac that doesn’t push the treble on a tube amp known for behaving very well on treble with a dark headphone known for rolling off the high treble? I obviously have no idea the culprit, unless it is the recording? What were you listening to?
Trent_D
I actually just ordered the Pan Am. They have a deal where you buy it with the passport for 700. Half off the pp.
Nick Tam
… your decisiveness has served you well.
Trent_D
I actually think it is more my indecisiveness served me well. Will have to send the dacport back.
Nick Tam
Oh wait… you pulled the trigger on the Dacport LX then ordered a Pan Am… lol
Nick Tam
Some instrumentals recorded by Japanese artists. I’m suspecting it’s the usual crappy equipment that they used…
Trent_D
I thought I recalled Mike talking about some music, of what I don’t remember, where he either had to use the AIAIAI headphone or the e17 with the treble nerfed as far as it would go. Perhaps that is similar?
Mike
Lots of chinese and japanese vocal recordings have a boost in the top treble region and you almost can’t get a sibilance free playback with those recordings, regardless the system.
I don’t know what Nick is listening to though, just making guesses.
Nick Tam
Was listening to vocals first. Then tried violin instrumentals also by Jap artists. Same thing. Tried some other good Jap instrumentals don’t exhibit sibilance. However, the latter was an open mic recording where the first two were probably studio closed mic.
Mike
Yes, less resolving and something to do with the frequency balance too.
Nick Tam
A miracle happened. I just rolled in another less resolving tube on the driver side on my Crack and the sibilance disappeared. Hooraah for going “backwards” in tube rolling
Trent_D
Halleluiah!
L.
My 5998 just went KABOOM
Vern
Sad as it sounds, just figured out who you are on head-fi.org, lol
L.
Why is that sad? I figured the secret was out? 🙂
Trent_D
Who are you? Jude? NWAVguy?
L.
Damn, trent has it!
Nick Tam
Back to the Westinghouse Tung Sol 6080WA for you la
L.
I still have 7 backups 😉
Nick Tam
overkill…
L.
Lifetime stock 😉
YS
Hi Mike,
What is your amp recommedations to pair with LCD2 r2?
I currently using Graham Slee solo Ultra Linear with PSU1.
I mostly listened to classical-orchestra, jazz, dan a little bit of pop.
I currently looking at burson or beta22 2ch (i can get this 2nd hand for about Usd600)
What is your thoughts?
Thanks
Nick Tam
do give the pan-am with passport a try. it’s not a step up from the graham slee but is by far the best amp (in terms of synergy) known to the LCD r2
YS
Thanks Nick for ur input.
Nick Tam
With the HD800 however, you definitely need a heavy duty tube amplifier to go with classical orchestrals and jazz. And I’m not expecting you to play pop with the HD800 either. The HD800 should work very well with the Graham Slee UL so I wouldn’t think of the Burson as a particular upgrade to it either. The Beta 22, definitely an upgrade though.
YS
Hi Nick.
So your recommendations for HD800 is tube amplifiers or beta22. And for LCD2 is the Pan Am.
Having an amp that pair well with both headphone at the same time is not available at this moment, is that right?
Thanks
Nick Tam
See Trent’s comment. Mike mentioned that the Pan Am is a killer combo with the LCD-2 and HD650, but didnt quite have the soundstage to fill the HD800. You can’t expect an amplifier to pair well with the plannar LCD2 and the HD800 since those are vastly different headphones in terms of technology and sound signature. The Pan Am will do the LCD2 justice. The HD800 still asks for a very expensive setup.
YS
Ok. Got it..
Thanks for your explanation about the different technology between the two headphones
Mike
HD800: tube amp. I won’t use it with the Beta22.
YS
Ok. Got it. Thanks a lot
Mike
If you’re still interested in the B22,
A friend is selling a beautifully build balanced B22 with all the best parts and wooden case (by calico) for *if i remember correctly* ~~$1500.
YS
Wow.. thats out of my budget 🙁
Thanks for the info
Eugen
Excellent price for a top build!!
Mike
I know. Excellent price.
Eugen
DO you have a picture?
Mike
Will try to find a picture.
Mike
http://www.headfonia.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/DSCN3653.jpg
and
http://www.headfonia.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/DSCN3660.jpg
Trent_D
Mike mentioned that, while the HD800 was very clean and sounded quite good on the Pan Am, it didn’t have quite the soundstage to satisfy the 800’s massive earcups. So, maybe not the Pan Am then
Mike
What Nick said.
The HD800 is pretty good with the PanAm, not the best.
Burson is good with the LCD-2
Beta22 is pretty decent with the LCD-2, nothing special.
JC
I read the HD 700 review and it was great! I would like to know if the HD 700 is a good companion with ALO Pan Am..
Also I notice the Woo Wa7 will be released soon and just wonder if i should wait for the Wa7 instead of buying a Pan Am now for a HD700..both of them are around the same price, but one has 24/96 DAC and one has 32/192..
Mike
I’m trying to get a WA7 for a review. I wouldn’t worry about 24/96 vs 32/192, more about the sound signature.
JC
Thanks for the reply! I would like to know if Pan Am is good for HD700 or not. If not, I think I may give LCD2 a try…Please advise! thanks!
Mike
JC,
The PanAm I actually have never tried with the HD700. 🙁
JC
no problem Mike! Thanks a lot!
Trent_D
That would be interesting. If the Pan Am fills the HD650 soundstage, but not quite the hd800, it would be fun to see on which side the hd700 errors.
Mike
I think the PanAm still not wide enough for the HD700. Reason is I tried the HD700 with the Fostex HP-A8 DAC’s headphone out (and the thing is very spacioius) and it fills in the HD700’s soundstage just nicely.
Not saying it’ll be a bad pairing, but just saying I don’t think it would do the high end Senns justice the way a WA5 amp would (or some other big tube amps).
Nick Tam
Yep. Forget it Trent, the Senns doesn’t cheat on its wife, the Crack.
Trent_D
I know for a fact that the HD650 will be cheating on the crack. And it will be doing so over and over again. And it will LIKE IT!
Ken Stuart
Two Qs for Mike:
1 – Does the HE-500 have two qualities that you have mentioned in reviews, namely “free of grain” and “dark background” ?
2 – (This one totally out of curiosity) What is the level of ebook usage in Indonesia ? Is there any significant level of interest ? Is there a language barrier to adoption (my guess is that most ebooks are in English or European languages – but I could be wrong) ?
Mike
HE-500, very low grain levels almost none. Dark background, not so much though not that bad.
Ebook? Well it depends on the demographics. English literacy in the capital is pretty good and I can say better than some other Asian cities like Hong Kong. I really don’t have the figure though.
Ken Stuart
Thanks for the reply.
On Ebooks, I was just looking for an unscientific impression, based on observing friends, people you see, etc. – do you see people with Kindle-style ebook readers ? (Again, just curious)
Mike
Kindle: I know some people have them, but I never see even one person in public with them.
Laurencewayne
Mike- I purchased the Fostex HP-P1 (to use with Fostex TH900). It’s great except at the high-end…a bit harsh, violins strident. I’m wondering if there’s a break-in period and how long? (I’ve logged about 30 hours so far.) And do you think a custom LOD (Tangv2 from Whiplash?) would make a difference? Once again, thanks so much for “being there”. Laurence Wayne
Mike
Laurence,
Don’t think break in should take longer than 30 hours.
Violins on a digital recording is never easy. What are you comparing the HP-P1 sound to? It’ll be hard to get natural violin tone on portable gear even the likes of the HP-P1.
Something more serious like the Hifiman HM-801 player or the Altmann Tera would do better, but still violin on a portable digital system is not easy.
I still can’t get violin to play right on any digital based playback the way I hear them on vinyl.
Laurencewayne
Thanks Mike-You’re right: I want vinyl violins! How about the LOD TWag V2? Make a difference?
Mike
Maybe slightly better but not leaps and bounds.
Jonathan Yeung
not trying to annoy you but im afraid you miss this since i already posted before and i gave another reply afterwards so i think you might have missed it. my question is did you get to test the ibasso dx100 with its latest firmware?
Mike
Sorry I read that question but I forgot to reply to it — that happens, sometimes you’re interrupted by something and forgot to return to it later.
The DX100, I failed to take note of the firmware. I asked the distributor who is the owner of the unit I use and he said it’s not the most recent one.
I will try to get a chance to audition the DX100 with the latest firmware.
Cheers.
Jonathan Yeung
thanks, looking forward to your impression of the dx100 with the latest firmware!!!
lucky
Hi Mike, I’ve always been a big fan of Tfriple Fi10, and for an upgrade, which one do you suggest for me, the new ue900 or just go custom with the JH 5pro?
I mainly use IEM for mainstream songs, most of them are rocks..
Technically, which one is better the ue900 or JH5 and which one has more fun and prat factor? thanks.
Ken Stuart
Mike or L – Have you heard the HE-400 Revision 2 (released this past summer) ? The comments on head-fi indicate that it is a major change in the sound balance (with the implication that it brings it closer to the HE-500).
Mike
Yes I’ve listened to it though briefly and not in an A-B situation with the old one. I thought it was very musical and my impression with it was very good, however the sound balance is not that different from the first version.
L has both version on hand so he should be able to make a more in-depth comparison.
L.
yes I have it, and yes I will do a review update as soon as I have the time 🙂
Ken Stuart
L: Have you tried the HE-400 Rev 2 with velour pads (most people also find those improve the sound relative to the included pleather pads) ?
L.
Yes I only use Velour with the Hifimans, much better 😉
L.
Yes I only use Velour with the Hifimans, much better 😉
L.
Yes, i use the velours on Hifiman, always
Ken Stuart
I have obtained the HE-400 Rev 2 with the HiFiMan new accessory velour pads, and I find that they have managed to successfully incorporate the sort of bass response you get from speakers into headphones, without drowning out the mids and highs. I’m finding this more compelling than the accurate reference headphones that present the actual amount of bass present at their input (even when that sounds psychologically “wrong”). While the HE-400 is usually mentioned for rock and dance music, it is also excellent with classical music that has significant bass and/or rhythmic elements, especially things like pipe organ music.
I haven’t heard any of the other HiFiMan products, but if the HE-500 has less bass, I would likely find that less compelling, even if it has better “technicalities” (as does the SRH-1840 which I also have).
It seems that the HE-400 is quite popular, so a “Rev 2 Review” seems to be in order.
(It’s also worth noting that a lot of products are not the same as what is first delivered to reviewers – the HRT Music Streamers are another good example, and of course, the LCD phones.)
L.
I’m waiting to publish the comparative review but I couldn’t publish anything this week, blame Mike 😉
Julius
The HE-500 is less punchy and more middle ground in comparison to the HE400 – HE-6. It is right in the middle. The HE-6 is slick and smooth, relaxed and easy to listen to with minimal impact and kick factor. The HE-500 has some punch to it but not enough to call it punchy or harsh, its still very nice and my main home use headphone now. The HE-400 is the wild child of the bunch, heavy bass and geared more for rocking out. Definitely snappier than the others.
L.
I do find the HE6 to have a larger kick factor as the HE500. I find the HE500 to be more smooth & relaxed (and the LCD3 even more)
Julius
I highly recommend you give the Hifiman EF-6 a try with the LCD3 and HE-6 and get back to me. Your view will certainly change on that. Out of the EF-6, which was specifically tailored for the HE-6, the sound is noticeably more smooth on the HE-6 than the LCD3. The Audeze is more forward and lively. The HE-6 is wider and less tall, more distant sounding. No question the HE-6 is more balanced sounding, generally that sound is not associated with slam or kick. Hifiman improved on all of that in the HE-500.
Due to the extremely deep and prominent low end of the Audeze Headphones, I can’t agree they are more smooth and relaxed than the HE-500. That bass hits pretty hard on Bass heavy tracks and the HE-500 and HE-6 has noticeably less weight and extension. Just my two cents, everyone hears different.
Atriya
Hello Mike, Nick, Trent_D: I just purchased a HE-400. It was a hard choice between the HE-400 and HD650, but I eventually got the Hifiman. Enjoying the headphone so far, but I need a DAC and Amp. What DAC and Amp (in one package or separate – both are fine) under around $300 has best synergy with the HE-400?
Nick Tam
I wouldn’t say much because I don’t have experience with the HE-400, and ultimately the HE-400 doesn’t scale well as it was designed to be easy to drive in mind. Works best with solid state gear.
Mike
The topping may not be best, but it’s pretty darn good:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=483358901708812&set=a.283848904993147.77118.145341288843910&type=1
Ranon Sim
Hi there Mike,
I just purchased a standard cMOYbb v2.03 and am currently
pairing it with the bose oe2(32 ohm), samson sr850(32 ohm), superlux
hd668b and a panasonic rp-htf600(55 ohm).Surprisingly, the difference in
sound quality(e.g. soundstage) without bass boost is almost
insignificant if not absent when driving it using my mp4 player(a sony
A864 walkman).In fact, the bass is ever so slightly reduced compared to
w/o the amp. Also, when connected to my laptop, the hissing noise coming
from the headphone is really audible when the volume knob is turned
about half-way up. Any idea whether this could be due to 1) a faulty amp
unit 2) the difference in sound quality can only be perceived when
driving bigger ohm headphones? Read on head-fi about double-amping
problem whereby if the music player’s amplifier output is good enough,
the external amp will not make much of a difference in sound quality. Is
is true? Lastly, I ain’t sure whether adding the extra virtual ground
chip will help with the sound too as I prefer a larger soundstage[which
isn’t apparent with the standard unit 🙁 ]….Thanks:)
Song Kyung-han
Hello Mike.
If (and that’s a big if) I decide to lend you my Fostex TH900 for just one month by sending it to your home in Indonesia, would you be eager to write a thorough review on it on Headfonia and send it back to me? Of course, you have to handle it with great care and make sure no scratch or harm is done to it, as it is a very expensive headphone that cost me an arm and a leg.
I can’t make any promises now, but I think I might be able to make this possible sometime during next year spring. If you’re feeling up to it, do let me know.
Tomasz Jakubczyk
Mike, I was about a millimetre from ordering JDSLabs cMoyBB v2.03 when I saw c421 (new Black Edition) on their website.
I thought I would better check what you thought about c421 and I got to your “Flyin’ High” review. Now my question: considering that I was planning to buy cMoy for my Grado sr80 (+ iPhone), would it be an overkill to go for c421 instead?
Mike
Tomasz,
No it wouldn’t be an overkill. You get better sound, slimmer package and a more convenient USB charging.
Lieven has the new black edition. I don’t think its sound is any different than the one I reviewed, but Lieven may be able to give more information on that.
L.
It sounds exactly the same because my Black Version didn’t get the ferrite change. But even with that doen it should sound the same, you just get better volume control with sensitive iems
Tomasz Jakubczyk
Mike & Lieven, thanks a lot for your help. I was trying to thank you earlier but somehow I could not login to the forum from my iPhone/iPad nor Windows7 machine at work. Really strange! It only works on my Mac.
My C421 has been delivered today to one of my American friends. She’s coming to Europe next month, so I hope it will pass quickly. I could have chosen it to be shipped directly to me, but it won’t be much faster and on top of it I will probably pay 50% more because of customs and other taxes.
Thx again!
Mike
Thanks, Tomasz.
I hope you’ll enjoy the C421. You’re getting the all black or the black-silver version ?
L.
Keep us posted 🙂
Daniel Clayton
I’ve been following your site for a few months now and love your work. I am looking to upgrade my current DAC and amp and was hoping you could lend your opinions.
I currently have a C421 (OPPA2227) and an ODAC. I know you love the C421 here, as do I, but I am looking to upgrade to a more powerful desktop amp. My budget is about $350 and I have been considering the Schiit Asgard and the Matrix M-Stage. I should add I would like to stay with a solid state amp for now. I am really curious how you feel about these two compared to each other and also compared to the C421. Also if you have any others you would recommend instead, I am open to those as well.
As for the DAC, I am not sure if you have any experience with the ODAC, but i am looking for an upgrade with a budget of around $300-$350. I am after transparent with a black background and little to no coloration. Perhaps for this price, an upgrade does nitnexist and I understand that, but I have been considering the Schiit Bifrost, Centrance Dacport LX, HRT Music Streamer II+, and Cambridge Audio Dac Magic.
I have read all of your reciews for the products I mentioned that you have reviewed. I also understand if you cannot comment on the ODAC, but any opinion and advice is welcome for all the products! Thanks!
Trent_D
Get the dacport lx. You can get it for $250 easy. I got mine at audioadvisor.com for $199.50. Easily the best performance/value ratio you can find in a dac right now. I had the ODAC at one point and I was not a fan. I would swap out the dac first and then go from there. Also, what headphones are you using? What kind of music do you listen to?
Trent_D
Or, if you combine your dac and amp budget, you could snag a Pan Am with the Passport power supply. It is a tube hybrid design, but it suppose to be an excellent amp, with a very nice dac build it.
Daniel Clayton
Thanks for the quick response. My current headphone inventory consists of: HE-400, HD600, T50RP Mad Dogs, D5000, AD900, Pro 900, HM5, and HFI780. I mostly listen to rock and alternative, but also a little bit of punk, rap, dub step, and pop.
I would like to stay with a solid state amp. I am definitely going to upgrade to a desktop amp, its just a matter of which one. I will only be upgrading the DAC if it seems worth it for the price. The ODAC might be perfectly fine for the amps I am considering, but I have read great things about the Dacport LX, Music Streamer II+, and Bifrost, but I’m not sure if they are really considered an upgrade to the ODAC, or just a side grade.
Nick Tam
Stop right there. There won’t be a single DAC or amp to match all your headphones because of different driver technologies as well as sonic characteristics. The main problem is that you have a orthodynamic Hifiman and a high Z Sennheiser which requires different amplifiers to drive. Furthermore, sonic character wise, the HE-400 is very dark compared to the rest so the DAC won’t be able to have good synergy if you choose a specific DAC to match with the rest of your headphones.
Daniel Clayton
I can certainly understand that and I realize what works amazingly for one headphone might be mediocre for another one. That is true with the gear I currently have. I am not trying to upgrade based on one or two specific headphones, but rather raise the bar of my Amp/DAC combo compared to what I have now in terms of general performance for a wide variety of headphones, but certainly not every headphone. That simply isn’t possible, just as you mentioned.
Trent_D
Maybe an asgard… might be a good all around bet. And as I have heard all three, the MS2+ and the dacport lx will be definite steps up from the ODAC. I prefer the LX myself. But Nick is right. With that selection, there is no one size fits all. Unless you want the $1000 Burson soloist.
Daniel Clayton
I am glad you suggested the Asgard because that is what I have been heavily leaning towards. It seems like the Dacport LX is more refined and cleaner with a blacker background than the Music Streamer II+. How about the Bifrost? Any experience there?
Trent_D
none with the frost.
Daniel Clayton
I think I am going to get an Asgard and hold off on the DAC for now, but I am leaning towards the Bifrost.
Nick Tam
You can’t go wrong with the LX with its price tag and its clean refined sound. I just prefer the MS2+ over the likes of the LX because I lean towards a more warm, “emotionally involving” sound while balancing out my Crack amp and over the Matrix DAC because it isn’t overly warm or thick sounding. I’m using the HD650 myself so I find the balance of my setup MS2+/Crack to be just around right.
Trent_D
It’s all a matter of preference. Both the LX and the MS2+ are fine dacs. Just depends on the sound you like. I do think, however, that it is time for HRT to knock the price of their dacs down a bit. As you can get the LX for almost the same price as the MS2, it’s hard to ignore that price gap.
Pkrdlr
Hi Mike, Can you suggest a portable amp/dac that can be used with my laptop at home as well as on the go with my ipod classic for under $200 usd ?. Headphones are ath-ad900 and senn hd 239.Thanks
Nick Tam
I can only think of the E17 since not many DAC/Amps run off batteries doubles as a portable amplifier…
Trent_D
Nick, I keep forgetting to ask, are you mac or pc? What audio player do you use?
Nick Tam
PC, foobar2k on Kernal streaming or WASPI out to the HRT MS2+, why?
Trent_D
Just curious
Ken Stuart
Mike – any rumors/rumblings of a new HiFiMan headphone model soon ?
L.
maybe 😉
Ken Stuart
Does the smiley mean ” joking ” or have you heard something ?
L.
I haven’t heard anything of a new headphone
RuEXP
Hi Mike,
I am looking into a new pair of headphones, which ideally will serve two purposes. I listen to a wide variation of music, I would say mostly along the lines of folk, rock, and some light electronica. I am not looking to have separate headphones for each type of music I listen to, and was considering something like the Sennheiser hd598’s. The problem I ran into, is I would also like to use my headphones to use when I play my bass guitar through my amp (since I can’t play through an amp in an apartment). These headphones often get comments about low bass.
I am not looking for anything with a lot of bass, because that’s not what I look for in music quality, but I don’t want to be underwhelmed when I play my bass guitar either.
Any suggestions as to whether get 2 lower end headphones, or monitoring headphones are greatly appreciated. I am partial to Sennheiser due to previous success with their products, but I’m open to other options as well.
Thanks!
dalethorn
HD598 sounds right for these applications. Not heavy in bass response.
L.
If these are your only 2 options, go for the M50, the COP isn’t that detailed
Jason
any other option? thx btw!
Trent_D
DT 770 AE seems to be popular around here.
Florent Vaucelle
Hi,
I want to buy a DAC, but I’m wondering if using the RAC output from DAC/Amp combos such as the Audinst of Styleaudio ones will by pass the amp section. If not, should I set the volume on the dac/amp to min or max?
Nick Tam
Using the RCA outputs will bypass the amp section. Just make sure to set your output to line out if any on your DAC.
Florent Vaucelle
Thanks a lot!
Trent_D
Selling a like new K550 on head-fi if anyone is interested.
L.
what are you buying in stead?
Trent_D
The HD650 will do for me. Through which I am listen to Mahler’s fifth as I type.
Trent_D
and with the sale (it sold almost instantly) I am most of the way to a Bottlehead Crack.
L.
can you mail me trent? thx
Mike
Mahler and HD650, I don’t think there is a better combo.
Pkrdlr
Mike, Any plans to review the Dragonfly Usb Dac from Audioquest ?.
L.
nothing concrete but one day we probably will
Markus
Hey Mike or Lieven,
sry to post it here again, because I already posted the question on facebook.
But this is quite urgent
There is a very audible constantly noise coming out through the headphone out of my Topping D1 Mark 2, regardless of
the volume setting. The noise is even audible when listening to music at low volumes.
Also although the D1 Mark2 is recognized by Windows XP and seems to work properly I can’t adjust the volume in Windows.
Do you think my unit is defective?
Nick Tam
No. You shouldn’t be able to control the volume on windows anyways as the volume control is usually handed down to the DAC itself. Could you describe the noise?
Markus
Thanks for your answer Nick,
Strange, as far as I know I should be able to control the volume of the DAC-part of the D1 Mark2 in Windows, like with any soundcard? With the ODAC for example I could do this and always adjusted the volume to 100% (max signal strength).
Regarding the noise, I realised that it should be hiss, but I am using it with Sennheiser HD 598 (50 Ohm impedance) therefore I am a little bit shocked. The hiss is killing it for me because it’s ruins all the quite passages in the songs I like.
Do you have similar experiences Nick? I wouldn’t consider 50 Ohm headphones as very sensitive, so that I have to worry about hiss.
Nick Tam
For some devices, digital volume control is possible if you enabled the OS to handle the volume control. If you use output via Kernal streaming or WASPI on windows the DAC usually bypasses the digital volume control regardless from my experience. Hiss sounds is probably inert in the DAC or amp, sounds like the noise floor to me.
Markus
Thanks for your thoughts Nick.
What do you mean by “hiss sounds is probably inert in the DAC or amp”?
Ok just spent some more time with the Topping D1 Mark2 Today.
When using the line out into another amp, the hiss or noise floor is gone. Complete black background with my HD 598 as I would expect.
But when using the headphone out of the D1 the constant hiss or noise floor is very audible. I tried to figure out if the noise or hiss gets louder when I increase the volume, but the noise is constant. I mean when the volume is zero it is as loud as if the Volume is at maximum.
What do you think? Is it caused by design or because of defect?
Mike
Markus let me try the Topping D1 with the HD598 and get back to you.
Volume control, depending on the DAC you can control it through the OS (windows in this case).
Nick Tam
If the noise floor is gone with another amplifier, there’s definitely something wrong with the D1MK2’s amp section. Let Mike get back to you on that since he has all the gear.
And about the volume control, usually I would just set the OS volume to maximum if the DAC/Amp has analog volume controls. Reason being, analog potentiometers may have low level channel imbalance so you want the pot gain to be around at least 40% or above so you don’t want to adjust the attenuation from the digital side too low unless the gain is really too high for you.
Mike
Markus,
I’m listening to the D1 Mk2 with the HD598 out of my Mac. Music playing, no hiss. No music playing, 100% vol, absolutely quiet. Something must be wrong with your set up.
Can you try finding another laptop, perhaps a Mac to pinpoint the source of the hiss?
Markus
Mike,
thank you soo much for your help in this regard.
Firstly, the good news. I solved the volume problem in windows. Now I am able to adjust the volume in windows as expected. (I leave it at 100% as you suggested)
Some interesting observations regarding the hiss problem so far:
The hiss or noise floor (still don’t know how I should call it) is much lower now, after I burned-in the device for approximately 20 hours, though it’s still audible. When not playing music it’s not absolutely quiet but I think I can live with that amount of hiss or noise.
I also plugged the Topping D1 into different USB ports to see if there was going to be a difference between them and discovered that the amount of hiss or noise really
Mike
Markus,
I use any USB cable that happens to be lying around. I don’t remember if it’s the one that came with the D1. In my experience, USB cables never cause a hiss. Some bad cables simply don’t work/no connection, but the ones that work simply work.
If I were to guess, probably you got a bad batch on the D1? Just pure guessing. Another guess is OS-driver compatibility, that’s why I asked if you could try it on a different computer.
Markus
Wohooo. Good news guys.
I finally figured out what the problem was. Must have been some kind of ground loop noise! I replaced the power supply of my Dell notebook and now the Topping D1 is dead silent as expected. I realised that “hiss” is something completely different when I tried the Topping with my Shure 535 Limited Edition. Hiss also gets louder when increasing the volume, whereas the noise I heard before was more like a hum… something very strange.
But now that I fixed the problem I have to say that the Topping is really really great value. Thanks headfonia for introducing relatively unkown products to the (western) head-fi world.
P.S. Listening to a new Beyer DT770 LE at this very moment and lovin’ it :)))
Jason
need some suggestion for a good headphone for detail sound and great bass and good noise isolation.. price between 100USD – 300 USD. for metal rock, alternative, also jazz. Thx!
L.
Have you read our DT770 AE review?
Jason
yes.. any other suggestion besides DT770 AE?
Jason
need an over-ear headphone.. it’s kinda hard for me to find a good headphone for detail sound, bass, and noise isolation for metal, rock, alternative, jazz.. need a recommendation immediately.. anybody?
Mike
DT770 80Ω, Shure SRH940, Denon D2000, Senn HD25-1
Mike
Over ear.
Try the DT770 AE or 80Ω, Denon D2000.
Mike
Jason,
Beyer DT770 or Denon D2000.
Apogee
I was wondering out of the schiit lyr/Panam/WA6 you would recommend as an amp for a pair of AKG Q701 with a pair of sennheiser HD650 or HD700 probably coming in the future.
Mike
I would go with the Woo.
Steven Setiawan
Hello again for Mike and L. Need some advice for buy an amp right now. I have an iem tf 10.. After read some reviews here, i decide for buy an amp.. I want the mid fuller, the treble roll off and smoother.. How about matrix mini or alo national?What would you recommend ?
Btw my portable setup only ipad2.. Sometimes using the cck to connecting usb pico dac for transportable setup..
Thanks..
Mike
Hello Steven,
The Matrix Mini should cut down the treble on the TF10 more effectively. Both amps should help with the mids.
Cheers.
Gurtej Virdi
Hi guys, am planning of getting the he-500, just wondering how it pairs with the clas/rx mk3b combo which i currently own. Looking to upgrade my d2000’s. Thanks.
Mike
Gurtej,
I recommend pairing the RX MK3-B with the HE-400 especially if you’re moving from the D2000. The HE-500 is going to be a lot brighter than your D2000, and bass is not going to be as powerful. The HE-400 is a more appropriate upgrade.
Gurtej Virdi
Mike,
Thanks for the reply. Never considered the he-400 will have a look into them. If i ever decide to get the h5-500 will the mk3-b have enough power for it, or will it be a waste. Thanks.
Mike
Yes the Mk3B drives the HE-500 just fine:
http://www.headfonia.com/the-power-pack-alo-rx-mk3-b/
Mike
Jessie,
Are you hearing distortions? The sound of distortions are very obivious like brap brap brap.. if you don’t hear it then the amp is fine.
Yes it’s true the Cmoy is not very good for low impedance but it also depends some low impedance headphones are still very easy to drive.
dalethorn
Anyone looking at the Senn IE800 yet?
Mike
I am desperately waiting for it…
Sasmit
Hi Mike,
you reviewed the fidelio L1 in March. I was looking at the lower
range but similar downtown and uptown primarily as the L1 is out of my
current Budget. have you ever tried out these portables? What is your
view on their strengths and weaknesses? Thanks for your help.
Mike
Sasmit,
I’m so sorry but I haven’t tried the down and uptown.
Pathway
Hi Mike – apologies if this has been asked already. I’m looking for a DAC mainly (but an integrated dac/amp is fine also) in the sub $100 price range. I am always tempted by a bargain and the Sabre Chip DACs like the Stoner UD100 or hifimediy Sabre USB look interesting but the fiio E10 and Topping D1 MKii look good as well – any opinions on the two DACs I mentioned and how does the topping compare to the Fiio as a DAC first and also as a DAC/AMP? (DAC would out to my x-canV2 with ‘updated’ tubes and feed Senn HD580) other uses would be with v-Moda M80.
Many thanks,
Oliver
Mike
Hi Oliver,
I should address these points more thoroughly on the Topping D1 review, but briefly:
Hifimediy Sabre: warmest sound, forward, technically very moderate.
Fiio E10: More spacious than Hifimediy Sabre, darker, looser bass, warm, laid back and very musical.
Topping D1: More spacious than E10. Lively sound, forward, great bass impact, extremely powerful headphone out.
Trent_D
If you were to pick one to have as a portable unit? Is the D1 bright, or is its treble well behaved.
Gorboman
The D1’s treble is sparkly in my opinion, but probably depending on your cans too. At higher volume, it can be bright. I’ve tested it on RHCP album. A friend of mine paired it with a gainclone then to an HD650 and he said that the treble was hot. However, the bass punch weight of the D1 is very addictive (now come to think of it, it reminded me of the ASG-1). It’s my current favorite DAC/Amp, though I’d like it even more if it has a built in battery so it will be a 100% portable unit.
Pathway
Many Thanks- am looking forward to the full review. Do you have a rough timeframe for it going live?
Mike
Maybe in 2-3 weeks time since I have a few things for the next 1-2 weeks.
Chris Allen
Hey Mike, would you remember or know if the HiFiMAN HM-601 DAP supported ALAC or AIFF files? I was considering on upgrading to it from my old iPod Classic, but most of my music is in Apple’s codecs.
Mike
I think it supports AIFF but not ALAC.
Chris Allen
Thanks, Mike!
Juaneli O Adrioli
hello, I would like to know if you could make a recommendation on what
headphones to buy. my budget $300 dollars. Im looking for around or over the ear
headphones. I mostly listen to Electronic music, a lot of it has a good
amount of bass. thank you.
ryan
How about beyer dt770ae?
John Clare
That’s what Lieven meant by AE.
L.
COP, HD25, AE as well yes
Mike
Juaneli,
The one you should try to listen to is the Audio Technica Pro700 Mk2. Superb bass.
http://www.headfonia.com/bass-to-the-power-of-two-pro700-mk2/
Mike
Juaneli,
The one you should try to listen to is the Audio Technica Pro700 Mk2. Superb bass.
http://www.headfonia.com/bass-to-the-power-of-two-pro700-mk2/
Mike
Juaneli,
The one you should try to listen to is the Audio Technica Pro700 Mk2. Superb bass.
http://www.headfonia.com/bass-to-the-power-of-two-pro700-mk2/
Mike
Juaneli,
The one you should try to listen to is the Audio Technica Pro700 Mk2. Superb bass.
http://www.headfonia.com/bass-to-the-power-of-two-pro700-mk2/
Mike
Juaneli,
The one you should try to listen to is the Audio Technica Pro700 Mk2. Superb bass.
http://www.headfonia.com/bass-to-the-power-of-two-pro700-mk2/
Mike
Juaneli,
The one you should try to listen to is the Audio Technica Pro700 Mk2. Superb bass.
http://www.headfonia.com/bass-to-the-power-of-two-pro700-mk2/
Mike
Juaneli,
The one you should try to listen to is the Audio Technica Pro700 Mk2. Superb bass.
http://www.headfonia.com/bass-to-the-power-of-two-pro700-mk2/
Mike
Juaneli,
The one you should try to listen to is the Audio Technica Pro700 Mk2. Superb bass.
http://www.headfonia.com/bass-to-the-power-of-two-pro700-mk2/
Tomasz Jakubczyk
Mike! You are pulling the money out of my pocket! 😉
My main headphones at the moment are Grado SR80i (outdoors I use Senns Px100IIi and I have Bayerdynamics T50p retired in my drawer – too close sound for my taste).
My source currently is just iPhone4 (strongly considering switching to Galaxy S3 or (rumoured) S4, but I’ve heard it’s not a good audio performer, so not sure yet).
And I am waiting for the delivery of JDS Labs c421 Black Edition (I discussed it with you some weeks ago).
I have read your review of E17 and I am a bit confused. With my source should I rather have gone for E17 instead of c421? Or would I be better of by adding some DAC to my iPhone (Galaxy S3/S4) + C421 configuration? Maybe better coding on my source would also be of consideration. I read somewhere a review which said that iPhone 4 was not so bad in decoding (apparently better than its successors). Is it true?
Any suggestions?
Gorboman
If you’re going to stick with your iphone, consider investing a CLAS. If you’re switching to android, stick around with your amp and see what’s missing. Some android support digital line out via usb otg.
Tomasz Jakubczyk
Gorboman, thanks a lot.
I think I will listen a bit to the combination of iPhone4 + C421 + SR80i before I spend more serious money on the CLAS. It might happen that I will like Android so much that my iPhone will soon end up as an expensive game console for my son and I will achieve zero return on my investment 😉
Mike
Sorry for the slow reply Tomasz.
With the Iphone you can’t pair it to USB DACs like the E17. The Android powered Galaxy may be able to, but I haven’t tried that personally. USB DACs pair to computers and laptops. Iphones, Ipods, you need I-device DACs like the CypherLabs Solo or the Fostex HP-P1.
I-device decoding, I’m never a big fan of. I’d take any entry level USB DAC over I-device decoding.
Mike
Sorry for the slow reply Tomasz.
With the Iphone you can’t pair it to USB DACs like the E17. The Android powered Galaxy may be able to, but I haven’t tried that personally. USB DACs pair to computers and laptops. Iphones, Ipods, you need I-device DACs like the CypherLabs Solo or the Fostex HP-P1.
I-device decoding, I’m never a big fan of. I’d take any entry level USB DAC over I-device decoding.
Mike
Sorry for the slow reply Tomasz.
With the Iphone you can’t pair it to USB DACs like the E17. The Android powered Galaxy may be able to, but I haven’t tried that personally. USB DACs pair to computers and laptops. Iphones, Ipods, you need I-device DACs like the CypherLabs Solo or the Fostex HP-P1.
I-device decoding, I’m never a big fan of. I’d take any entry level USB DAC over I-device decoding.
Mike
Sorry for the slow reply Tomasz.
With the Iphone you can’t pair it to USB DACs like the E17. The Android powered Galaxy may be able to, but I haven’t tried that personally. USB DACs pair to computers and laptops. Iphones, Ipods, you need I-device DACs like the CypherLabs Solo or the Fostex HP-P1.
I-device decoding, I’m never a big fan of. I’d take any entry level USB DAC over I-device decoding.
Mike
Sorry for the slow reply Tomasz.
With the Iphone you can’t pair it to USB DACs like the E17. The Android powered Galaxy may be able to, but I haven’t tried that personally. USB DACs pair to computers and laptops. Iphones, Ipods, you need I-device DACs like the CypherLabs Solo or the Fostex HP-P1.
I-device decoding, I’m never a big fan of. I’d take any entry level USB DAC over I-device decoding.
Mike
Sorry for the slow reply Tomasz.
With the Iphone you can’t pair it to USB DACs like the E17. The Android powered Galaxy may be able to, but I haven’t tried that personally. USB DACs pair to computers and laptops. Iphones, Ipods, you need I-device DACs like the CypherLabs Solo or the Fostex HP-P1.
I-device decoding, I’m never a big fan of. I’d take any entry level USB DAC over I-device decoding.
Mike
Sorry for the slow reply Tomasz.
With the Iphone you can’t pair it to USB DACs like the E17. The Android powered Galaxy may be able to, but I haven’t tried that personally. USB DACs pair to computers and laptops. Iphones, Ipods, you need I-device DACs like the CypherLabs Solo or the Fostex HP-P1.
I-device decoding, I’m never a big fan of. I’d take any entry level USB DAC over I-device decoding.
Tomasz Jakubczyk
Thanks Mike,
It seems that you never leave a question unresponded, so I did not worry too much with the speed 🙂
As I said to Garboman, I think I will stick to my iPhone4 + C421 + SR80i for a while. At least until I get my Galaxy, play with it for a while and decide whether I want to stay with Apple or switch to Android completely.
Mike
Alright let me know if you have any other questions!
Mark Jamey Mauldin
Mr. Ting,
I’m sure this has been covered somewhere but I’m new to your site and
did not find it. What is the best combination for using an Ipod classic?
I currently have a Fiio 1o, a Ibasso D Zero, a hifiman express HM 101, a
Dayton Audio DTA 1 amp and a set of Grado 80’s.
I’ve been using the Dzero with the 80’s and it sounds good. Is there a
better combo? Where can I read about how to use these products in
combination or other products like them? Thanks
Jamey
Gorboman
The best combo in my opinion is adding a CLAS after the iPod and then to your preferred amp. It just add a whole new feeling to the music.
Mike
Mark,
Well there are a TON of amp out there, but one to try is the ALO national with the Grado 80s.
Mike
Mark,
Well there are a TON of amp out there, but one to try is the ALO national with the Grado 80s.
Mike
Mark,
Well there are a TON of amp out there, but one to try is the ALO national with the Grado 80s.
Mike
Mark,
Well there are a TON of amp out there, but one to try is the ALO national with the Grado 80s.
Mike
Mark,
Well there are a TON of amp out there, but one to try is the ALO national with the Grado 80s.
Mike
Mark,
Well there are a TON of amp out there, but one to try is the ALO national with the Grado 80s.
Apogee
I have a pair of Q701 and will be getting a HD800 or LCD2 in the future. With do you think will be better a schiit bifrost and lyr combo or a burson HA160D. Whats are the differences in sound. In most reviews of burson products people mention its prat and bass impact. What is the bass impact of the lyr like in comparison.
Are their any other dac amp pair you would recomend. I have a budget of around 1000 dollars. Ive alos looked at offerings from woo audio and the centrance dacmini.
Thank you mike/L. Depending on who replies
Gorboman
what do you drive your Q701 with at the moment?
Apogee
Fiio E7. I had it to drive my old headphones but it not good enough for the Q701 or either of the headphones i plan to get in the future.
Gorboman
If I were you, then I’d probably pick the Burson HA160D. It’s a much more convenient desktop DAC/Amp solution. I’ve only tried the Soloist though. Amp only, no DAC. But the sound is quite transparent.
As for Schiit, I’ve only tried the Asgard. Pretty good, but a friend of mine who has one said it’s temperature can get really hot.
Trent_D
The Asgard is nice. It runs hot, but that is normal. It is warranted for five years, so obviously Schiit doesn’t consider the temperature to be an issue.
I know L didn’t think the Lyr was at all a good match with the LCD-2, although the Asgard does ok with it. The HD800 really does its best business connected to big, fancy tube amps. The solid staters don’t rave about that pairing. If you think the HD800 is how you will go, you might be better off going with the Bottlehead Crack, or something else along those lines.
Gorboman
@Ardently:disqus Trent has a good point about your choices of headphones. The HD800 though of reference class is quite picky in pairing with other gears in your setup.
I didn’t think of this earlier, but what do you think about getting a Pan Am and get an LCD 2 for your future headphones?
Apogee
the bottlehead is hard to get were i am, and i think the value of will diminish as i will have have a pre made one. the hd800 is the sound i want however i don’t have the budget for a hd800 and a summitfi tube amp. the 2 choices im mainly looking at are the lyr/bifrost combo or the dacmini. i will get a better dac and amp in the future for my hd800, maybe the wa22 and go balanced. i looked at the lyr for the hd800 because 6moons.com said they actually paired well together. i also like the wa6se but i think thats because i just love the sofia princess tube with the v pattern on its plates.
any help would be grateful, but i think i will get the lyr/bifrost or wa6/se and then get a better dac and amp later.
Mike
No need to get balanced for the HD800. Better to get a high quality SE DAC/Amp than balanced for the HD800.
Something like the WA5 I believe starts at $2.5K.
Schiit Lyr with the HD800, please, no. WA6 is better. Crack is better than both for the HD800.
Trent_D
If you are intending to use it as a USB dac, the bifrost is $450. You could save money going with a dacport lx for $200-250. Is there no chance you can build the crack yourself?
Apogee
Im going to use the the other inputs aswell as the usb on the bifrost. I will never build a crack. I dont want a seperate dac and amp so i can upgrade the amp later. So what would be the cheapest amp that is acceptable for the hd800. I could go bifrost asgard for one year then get a WA6SE. but im still not sure how to go. I could get the dacmini and use the headphone output then later use the dacmini as a daconly with a tube amp. I looked at getting the dacmini as i liked the many descriptions from reviews of how it had a nice black background.
Trent_D
Well, if you really have your heart of hearts set on the HD800, maybe you should wait on buying anything for awhile and save up to buy the hi end gear that headphone needs. I have hear many people refer to the dacmini as dry and clinical. That doesn’t sound like a good combo with the HD800.
Mike
For the LCD-2 I’d recommend the Burson OR the ALO PanAm.
For the HD800, something with big tubes like the Woo WA5, Zana Deux, Manley 300B and such.
Valentin
Just a little note. To clarify. The HD800 sounds good with the Pan Am too. Of course, Mike is right. But if you like the HD800-sound, with the expanded wide soundstage and micro-detail, by all means get a HD800 + PanAm and when you have the possibility to upgrade in the future, pick up a better source and tube amp.
If you prefer the LCD-2-tuning, by all means, get the LCD2 + PanAm.
However, since they sound quite different, unsure about which you want complicates it a bit. In my opinion.
/V
Mike
For the LCD-2 I’d recommend the Burson OR the ALO PanAm.
For the HD800, something with big tubes like the Woo WA5, Zana Deux, Manley 300B and such.
Mike
For the LCD-2 I’d recommend the Burson OR the ALO PanAm.
For the HD800, something with big tubes like the Woo WA5, Zana Deux, Manley 300B and such.
Mike
For the LCD-2 I’d recommend the Burson OR the ALO PanAm.
For the HD800, something with big tubes like the Woo WA5, Zana Deux, Manley 300B and such.
Mike
For the LCD-2 I’d recommend the Burson OR the ALO PanAm.
For the HD800, something with big tubes like the Woo WA5, Zana Deux, Manley 300B and such.
Mike
For the LCD-2 I’d recommend the Burson OR the ALO PanAm.
For the HD800, something with big tubes like the Woo WA5, Zana Deux, Manley 300B and such.
Roger Blackwell
I’ve spent hours reading your reviews on all headphones (including the ultra/semi ultra port reviews), and I congratulate you on a great site. Please know that I realize that, in the end, a headphone choice is quite subjective. Still, I’m TOTALLY FRUSTRATED trying to buy a high quality (not a ton of money) pair of headphones for my mp3 (currently, I use an Ipod 4th gen & a Samsung mp3 player with an old Sennheiser PX-200 – mp3 320 & FLAC files). I do some running/jogging (not that fast) while listening.
I was going to get the V-Jays, but another site called them mediocre at best, and a new version, V-Jays ii, is out this year. Yes, I’ve consider the Px-100 ii’s, the 238/9, and others. I love a very transparent, true sound with good balance to listen to virtually anything (eclectic musical tastes range from rock/pop/vocal to classical, r&b, soundtracks, jazz… etc.). Moving up to Senn HD25-1, Beyers, B&W P3/5, etc presents 2 problems: 1) cost and most importantly 2) weight – jog/run is not great with heavier cans. Note, I HATE earbuds – don’t care if it’s an expensive 535 – I hate’em.
… and so I’m stumped. Perhaps you could recommend something new that’s really light-weight yet fabulous (excellent detail, tight base – not mud, transparent mids & highs (a little brightness but not shrill) with good overall balance (true to the source material). Perhaps this is a silly question, for I don’t believe what I’m looking for exists – audiophile qualtiy in a light-weight (NON earbud) design that’s NOT over $130??? I must be dreaming, no ???
… any assistance would be GREATLY appreciated.
Jeff (aka Roger)
Long Island, NY
[email protected]
Gorboman
This I would like to know too. I don’t believe it’s exist but I’m more than welcome to be proven wrong.
L.
I would go the IEM route. CIEM would be even better but for that price it’s going to be tough. Why not the Koss jogg version of the Portapro, the name is eluding me atm.
Mike
Hi Roger,
Thanks for reposting here and sorry for the slow reply.
The higher quality portables like HD25-1, Beyers, B&W, I don’t think are convenient to wear while jogging. The best option if you want high quality sound for jogging is still IEMs but you dont’ like it.
And you’re asking for a lot of things too.. tight bass, transparent mid and highs.. even if you up your budget to $1,300 I don’t think such portables exist.
I would just go with either the PX100-II or the V-Jays. And live with the small imperfections.
Mike
Hi Roger,
Thanks for reposting here and sorry for the slow reply.
The higher quality portables like HD25-1, Beyers, B&W, I don’t think are convenient to wear while jogging. The best option if you want high quality sound for jogging is still IEMs but you dont’ like it.
And you’re asking for a lot of things too.. tight bass, transparent mid and highs.. even if you up your budget to $1,300 I don’t think such portables exist.
I would just go with either the PX100-II or the V-Jays. And live with the small imperfections.
Mike
Hi Roger,
Thanks for reposting here and sorry for the slow reply.
The higher quality portables like HD25-1, Beyers, B&W, I don’t think are convenient to wear while jogging. The best option if you want high quality sound for jogging is still IEMs but you dont’ like it.
And you’re asking for a lot of things too.. tight bass, transparent mid and highs.. even if you up your budget to $1,300 I don’t think such portables exist.
I would just go with either the PX100-II or the V-Jays. And live with the small imperfections.
Mike
Hi Roger,
Thanks for reposting here and sorry for the slow reply.
The higher quality portables like HD25-1, Beyers, B&W, I don’t think are convenient to wear while jogging. The best option if you want high quality sound for jogging is still IEMs but you dont’ like it.
And you’re asking for a lot of things too.. tight bass, transparent mid and highs.. even if you up your budget to $1,300 I don’t think such portables exist.
I would just go with either the PX100-II or the V-Jays. And live with the small imperfections.
Mike
Hi Roger,
Thanks for reposting here and sorry for the slow reply.
The higher quality portables like HD25-1, Beyers, B&W, I don’t think are convenient to wear while jogging. The best option if you want high quality sound for jogging is still IEMs but you dont’ like it.
And you’re asking for a lot of things too.. tight bass, transparent mid and highs.. even if you up your budget to $1,300 I don’t think such portables exist.
I would just go with either the PX100-II or the V-Jays. And live with the small imperfections.
dalethorn
Compared to the PX200, the Soundmagic P30/Beyer DTX501p is about the same in size and weight, but (the Beyer at least) sounds much, much better – audiophile or near audiophile.
ryan
Hey mike, could you have a songs/cd recommendation section? Those which you have used for testing? You have mentioned some in your reviews, probably you could put them in a section. BVSC is a really fantastic cd which I got to know from one of your reviews
Mike
Yeah maybe we should start a section on recommended CDs and such…
Chris Allen
Can I make a wild guess and say “Jazz at the Pawnshop” will be on that list? 😉
Mike
It’s a good CD to get people to realize what a good recording is like. For day to day listening I need something faster paced though.
Chris Allen
Is there any good warm DAC below the $300 price point that supports 24-bit/192kHz resolution?
Mike
Not that I know of..
Chris Allen
Hmm.. oh well, thanks Mike.
John Wood
Hi Mike, do you know anything about the new ipods. Specifically about the new connector. How it will work with LOD or products such as the CLAS. I want to invest in a dap/external dac combo, Maybe its better to get an ipod classic as it still has the old connector????
Mike
John,
According to CypherLabs the Solo should work with the new Iphone 5 so I don’t think it’s going to be a problem.
John Wood
Thanks Mike. Can you guys get the fostex hp-p1?
Mike
Yes please go to the bottom of the website where the tags are, and click on Fostex.
dalethorn
LOD using the new $30 adapter to a regular analog amp like the O2 is no problem – gets the same result and sound quality as the old connector. An ipod-compatible DAC might not need any adapter.
Nuno
Hi Mike, i´m Nuno from Portugal, a need your opinion about new headphones: as a source i use pc+audiophilleo+lavry da11 and now i have a dragonfly too.
my question is: i have the audio-technica ATH m-50 and they are the only phones a know and i like them very much because i hear a lot a electronic music with sub bass(i dont like too much bass, only clean bass). i would like to by new headphone and read a lot about the audezes lcd 2 and the hifiman he-500. what headphone do you think are better for me?? tks 🙂
Mike
Hi Nuno,
Definitely the LCD-2 for bass.
Marc_D26
Hi Mike, when are you going to post the Apex Glacier review? I can’t wait to read the full review based on your short impression on Facebook! Will you also review the RSA Intruder?
Mike
Marc_D26
I still haven’t received the RSA Intruder from Ray. The Glacier, perhaps next week?
Marc_D26
Alright Mike. My problem is I will go to the States next week and I’m torn between the Glacier or other high-end amps (ALO, RSA, etc) and I’m actually planning to order the amp during this week so it could get delivered to my friend’s house by next week.
Well if it doesn’t bother you, would you mind to share how the Glacier fare against several ALO offerings? Any shortcomings/weaknesses of the Glacier you found (SQ signature, noise, hiss, battery)?
Actually I’m a bit skeptical because Todd said it’s only minor improvement in amp department compared to the Slim only due to the better power supply, the major one is the Cirrus Logic DAC chip .
Thanks! I would really appreciate your help!
*Fingers crossed* that you could upload the review soon 😉
Gorboman
I’ve demo the Glacier, but only for a brief amount of time. My gripe was only with its price tag. Other than that, I think it’s a fine portable DAC/Amp.
Marc_D26
Thanks Gorboman!
Have you compared it against other portable amps?
Gorboman
Unfortunately no. Even if I did, I can’t be objectively subjective. I don’t believe in measurements, but I do believe a comparison has to be made when the mind is clear to avoid bias. Right now, I’m still all over the Topping D1 Mark II.
Mike
Well, alright
RSA is your typical dark, full low end sound.
With ALO you get a few different flavors. National is dark and with a full low end like the RSAs but also quite airy and spacious. Continental is very clean, excellent soundstage, punchy bass but not very low hitting. Very nice midrange. RX MK3 is spacious, awesome bass impact, very nice treble.
Glacier is very spacious, forward and sparkly treble. Similar to the slim but I think more spacious than the slim.
On the Portaphile 627 review I compared all those as well as the Glacier.
What headphone or IEM are you using?
Marc_D26
Thanks Mike!
Does the Glacier still sound tubey & mid-centric as the Slim? Any notes on its bass performance? (its bass quantity and whether it’s punchy or great impact)
When you said that the Glacier is very spacious in soundstage, is it as great as the RX Mk3 even in its balanced mode?
I’m currently considering RX Mk3 or Continental other than the Glacier. I don’t know where the Glacier stand among them in terms of SQ and technical refinement.
Have you compared the Glacier’s DAC quality against other portable/transportable DAC such as HRT, Centrance, etc?
I own the Senn IE-80 and LCD-2, currently considering to buy either the HD800 or HD700 to be used with future portable amp for bedside listening.
Thanks,
Marc_D26
Any response Mike toward my questions above? Thanks, I would really appreciate your insights 🙂
ChrisTheConqueror
Hello Mike, sorry to disturb, but i really need an amp recommendation. I have recently purchased a pair of Grado SR80i’s and while i love them sometimes, i also do hate them other times, mostly because the treble is so harsh or piercing that i feel the need to close the song. I have been thinking of getting something like an amp/dac that can tame the highs so my ears won’t hurt anymore but i really don’t know what to get. I have also been trying to EQ it, but the it sounds really muffled afterwards and i don’t enjoy them anymore.
That, or selling the SR80 and getting a pair of Fostex T50RP because from what i understand orthodynamics don’t have a problem with piercing/harsh treble, although I’m not sure.
I only listen to FLAC or MP3 at 320 bitrate so quality of the audio files isn’t a problem.
Trent_D
Well, you might enjoy pairing them with the Matrix mini portable. Excellent bass weight with very full mids. It has a very dark tonality, so it will take the edge of the Grado’s harsh treble.
Mike
Chris,
It’s always best to fix the problem with a different headphone.
The Fostex T50RP is very smooth and very flat, but it’s also very un-involving if you’re used to the Grado. Try the Mad Dog by Mr. Speakers. It’s more musical than the standard T50RP while still being a smooth orthodynamic. Next step up, try the Hifiman HE-400 or HE-500.
Trent_D
Good advice.
ChrisTheConqueror
Thank you for your answer. Any recommendation on anything in the 200$ range? Or should i just stick to my Senn HD 380?
Trent_D
What type of music do you listen to?
ChrisTheConqueror
I usually listen to classical music and rock.
Trent_D
How is the HD380 on classical? If you are looking for a rock headphone with less abrasive treble, try the superlux hd660. Mike spoke very highly of it, and I have one on the way myself.
ChrisTheConqueror
Honestly, to my ears, the HD 380 sound pretty good with classical. The highs and mids are very smooth and it seems pretty spacious for a 100$ pair of headphones. Also since the bass isn’t bloated it’s just perfect to hear the goodness out of the cellos (love them). I have listened to the DT880 and in comparison the sound seemed very metallic to my ears. Maybe it had a bit better of a soundstage and instrument separation, but otherwise i prefer the HD380.
Mike
The HD380 definitely doesn’t have the bright Grado problem.
Other in the $200 range, nothing I can think of at the moment Chris.
ChrisTheConqueror
Well no problem then, thank you anyway Mike :).
dalethorn
I paid $200 USD to Amazon for a ATH ESW9a and had it sitting around for awhile, until my wife decided to give it a good shakedown compared to her B&W P5. She dumped the P5 for the ESW9a. One caveat: I think any Grado fan would find the ESW9a’s lows excellent, but the highs are slightly soft, so it may be a great solution here, unless it’s too soft on the high end.
Jay
Dear Sir/Madam:
I am considering the purchase of a portable amp and would like to request your recommendation.
My source is a Sony NW-A86x w/ .wav files. My IEM is the Shure SE535LTD and headphone is the V-Moda M-100. My preferred genre is R&B.
The reason I am purchasing a portable amp is that I have discovered that the internal amp of my tiny source has its “limitations”.
For the portable amp, my priorities are according:
1. SQ (neutral and detail); and
2. portability.
Budget is of no concern.
Your feedback would be most appreciated.
Mike
Hi Jay,
The 535LTD I don’t think requires an amp.
The M-100 may need an amp, but I haven’t yet listened to it. @Julius and @Edd were the ones who did the M-100 review, I’ll ask them to help you with your question.
Jay
Mike,
Thanks for your feedback.
I’ve listened to the SE535LTD w/ the same data on a more “capable” source, and it was much more detailed. Maybe it’s simply a matter of synergy.
I do look forward to hearing from @Julius and @Edd per the V-Moda M-100.
Mike
Then it’s the source quality that’s revealing more details. Get a good player?
Jay
I was contemplating that thought. I didn’t know whether the internal amp of my Sony NW-A86x was having a difficult time driving my SE535LTD or the two just did not get along with each other. I do really like the sound characteristics of my NW-A86x, and would prefer to purchase a portable amp neutral enough to retain the same sound characteristics yet provide more detail-if that’s even possible.
Julius
You do not need a lot of power output for the M-100. I ran my M-100 through the gargantuan Hifiman EF-6 ( made to drive the HE-6 ) and it didn’t do much for it. Power is the last thing on the list you need to worry about with the M-100. Find something spacious and potent on the low end. I recommend these three. Best of luck to you, make sure to report back here to tell us which Amplifier you ended up going for. These Portable Amps are my favorites, but I never recommend things I do not own or have not heard. I’ve never heard the Cypher Labs Solo setup, but odds are good that is much better than the three stand alone amps by themselves. If you decide to go with one of them I truly hope you enjoy it!
The RSA SR71B – Balanced sound signature, moderate low end will tone down the potential the M-100 can offer. However, if your source player has decent EQ functions ( like the Cowon Daps ) then you need not worry. Its one of the most detailed and powerful portable amplifiers out there.
TTVJ Slim – Potent, deep reaching low end with plenty of slam factor, nice spacious presentation ( noticeably more than the other two amps mentioned here ). Definitely not neutral, more metallic but not overly so. Its more suited for something like a Beyerdynamic or a Hifiman Headphone signature. Thankfully, the M-100 is far from warm and what I consider “true neutral”. In this regard, the TTVJ Slim should suit the tone of the M-100 very nicely.
Practical Devices XM6. – Jam packed with features and the only amp of the three I recommend that can be tailored to suit your preferences without touching the Source EQ. It also is a bit more neutral in flavor but lacks the staging qualities the TTVJ Slim had.
Jay
Julius,
Thank you for your valued feedback. Though I know that your suggestions would provide stellar sound quality-as I’ve heard the RSA SR71B before, the three are a little two “big” for my portability requirements.
Would you have any suggestions going down in size?
Julius
Sure. The Ibasso T5 is your best bet if you want something really small. By this point, there are a few Portable players out there like the Cowon J3 or Hisoundaudio Rocoo Studio Daps that offer more by themselves. My J3 can test the limits of what the M-100 low end is capable of because the player has the best EQ ever in a portable player ( in my opinion ). You can make the earcups shake and vibrate. I recommend a Dap change over the addition of a portal slim amp. I only recommend them for use with other players that are not as good as your Sony, Cowon or Hisoundaudio players.
Those players alone have much better output and driving ability than the Pico Slim or Ibasso T-Series. My Pico Slim actually downgrades the sound staging qualities of my J3 alone removes details and Bass potential. If I had one choice for a small slim amp, its the Ibasso T5 because its just about on par with just the Cowon J3 alone. I wrote a review on this amp on Head Fi but I do not want to link it here. Search ” IBasso T5 Mini Review ” and I am sure you can find it. I found it MUCH better than the Pico Slim but would still rather just use my Cowon J3 alone.
Jay
Thanks Julius.
I did read your iBasso T5 review and found it quite enlightening. Further, your suggestion to “upgrade” to a better player is most welcome and I’ve gone ahead and purchased a Cowon J3. BTW, when not utilizing an external amp, is the Cowon J3 your most preferred player?
Thanks again.
Julius
Right now, yes the J3 is still my preferred player when I am on the Go. The EQ and UI are unrivaled in the portable world in my opinion. Beyond that, the Hisoundaudio Daps are more clear and spacious sounding but at the cost of bare bones User Interfaces and no EQ functions. They are coming out with their new touch screen Dap called the Nova in just a few days. I have no idea what the EQ functions will be like or if it will be as nice as the Rocoo-P Player. If this Nova is as at least as good as the Rocoo P, then odds are good it will replace my J3 ( provided the UI isn’t bad and the EQ is great. ) But, I think you will find the J3 to be more than suitable for your iems and the M-100.
Edit: It might be a good thing if they are out of stock at the moment. I say wait a few days, potentially up to two weeks or so until I get the Hisoundaudio Nova in hand. I can then tell you if it is better than the J3 or not. I know patience is really hard in this hobby, but the last thing I want is for you to toss your money on the J3 if the Nova turns out to be better.
Jack Harvey
Yo guys at Headfonia. Just wanna ask if you guys got any recommendations for me. I lost my whole rig (yes whole rig) due to a nasty incident. In the process of rebuilding it now.
I’m a student so wanna go for something not too cheap or exp with good quality. I am looking for a portable amp around 300-400 with good bat life and audio quality. Probably using with iems a some low impedance cans. Thanks guys. Big fan. 🙂
Trent_D
You just need an amp? I really liked the JDSlabs C421. The ALO National also seems to be a good, all around performer.
Jack Harvey
cool. whats the dif between the national and c421? want good bat life and sq thats all. thanks Trent got both on my list now.
Trent_D
I haven’t heard the National, but to my understanding they are fairly similar with the C421 having more forward mids, bigger soundstage and clearer sound overall. It has USB charging and is about the size of a deck cards. The National has a darker tonality, and more impactful bass. It is larger, and has an AC charger.
L.
I wouldnt recommend the C421 for sensitive low impedance iems.
Trent_D
This man would know far more than I. Best to follow his advice. (I’m not an IEM user)
Jack Harvey
Wow you guys know a lot. Well, let’s say im gonna use it with my IE80, probably some old impedance cans which one should i go for? Seems like the National is a better choice. Thanks people.
John Clare
I’ve got both. I’m using the National instead of the c421 to tame the harshness of the AKG K550. The National is darker, little bit more bass, less airy. I honestly think the c421 produces a better, more neutral sound, but with the National + K550 I don’t have to worry about fatigue. So now the c421 is being used with my ODAC.
If you’ve got a dark full size headphone and want to brighten it up, c421 all the way (with the OPA2227 opamp). And it’s a bargain too.
Trent_D
C421 isn’t a bright amp. It just isn’t as dark ass the National. I am surprised you find the K550’s harsh, I never did. I bet the National helps with the bass impact though. I am curious, what source are you using the National, and (please don’t ban be from the boards for asking) what do you think of the ODAC?
John Clare
Compared to the National, the c421 is distinctly brighter. But you are correct, the c421 is not bright over all – I would call it neutral. My portable source is the first generation CLAS. I love the ODAC. Best $150 I’ve spent in a long time. It’s tiny (half the size of the c421), USB powered, and has what I would call a truly neutral sound. To my amateur ears it is superior to the CLAS, but that’s the only other DAC I have for comparison.
Psycho
Hi, I have fiio e10
can I ask what setting you use in windows speaker properties >> advanced >> default format and foobar output data format and buffer length? Should I set it as 24 bit 96 k like what fiio can do?
thans 🙂
Mike
Hi,
Sorry I don’t use foobar as I use Mac.
Trent_D
what format are you outputting the music with? Are you running in shared or exclusive mode? If you are in exclusive mode, the settings their won’t matter.
Psycho
Mike Thanks for your answer… Mike did you leave the audio setting to be default?
Trent_D Thank for answering my question, I’m using it with wasapi, I have 16 and 24 bit audio collection (I need to set 24 bit for it to be playing)
so if I just leave it to be default windows setting or sett as max as what fiio can do, the difference is minimal or rather the audio get upsampling, is it good or bad?
Gorboman
I use Foobar and previously I was using WASAPI. Though seems to bring improvement to the sound, there were often clipping sounds occurred which bothers me. So I’ve decided to set the device maximum capability through the Windows playback device property and chose the corresponding DS from Foobar.
L.
I use a pc + E10 + Asio at work
Gorboman
Do you hear any differences between DS, ASIO, WASAPI, or KS? Assuming the setup and songs are the same.
Ken Stuart
On Windows, my current sound quality assessment:
Jriver > cPlay > foobar 0.8.3 > MusicBee > latest foobar
I’m starting to think the Jriver’s 64-bit audio path is responsible for the improvement (with any Windows, don’t confuse this with Windows 64-bit). It costs US$50, but that is less than any other audio component, and supports all audio formats and is also a high-end video player as well. It’s developed by the same guy who created the .APE lossless file format.
Anyway, while Jriver has the most sophisticated WASAPI implementation, I still find ASIO to sound better. Many people think this is because it is specifically designed for professional musician applications.
Psycho
Oh yeah, I have some question now, I’m using it with hd 650, have good synergy right?
recently, people I meet told me that I better spent my money for dac first than to purchase amp (my target is to buy crack + dacport lx), the reason I buy fiio e10 to act as temporary amp while saving some money to buy crack first (additional reason because i’m in Indonesia and still afraid to buy it directly from their site) and I can use it for my speaker if I didn’t use it again, nothing to lose, eh?
so, is it better to buy dacport lx first? if that ok, I will running it ampless for a while… Thanks 🙂
L.
I would start with the E10 + Crack + HD650. I had this setup recently at a meet and I was very pleasantly surprised with the E10
Psycho
thanks for your answer L, you say that you use e10 + asio, you mean asio4all right?
I use foobar 1.1.16 and asio4all 2.10, all default setting in both of them except foobar > playback > output : output data 24bit, buffer length 100ms, and device asio4all
I try it and got no sound at all, my asio tray icon is red not green, any tutor or help?
L.
Setting up the asio in Foobar sucks. In output, choose Asio4all. Then in output go to Asio virtual devices and configure your Asio driver or make a new config.
In the config click config again and select your E10 unselect all the rest. then go back a screen and set your channels (left – right) and you should here a test sound in the correct channel.
hope it works!
Trent_D
Funny what that e10 can do.
Psycho
okay now it works, many thanks L, but I need to unselect e10 input (2x 8-96khz 24bit) to make it work, only select e10 and e10 output (2x 32-96khz 24bit)
for latency compensation, buffer size just leave it at default is okay, right?
L.
That’s normal to only select the output. Buffer is ok. Enjoy!
Yannick Bisson
Hi guys!
I have a fairly simple question I wish some of you would answer:
Is there an headphone amp I can mix with it?
I am a producer / musician which have to mix and do mastering. I use my HD800 straight from the phone out of a RME sound card, (the UCX).
I wonder if my mix would improve if I would use an headphone amp instead. (Having better definition, space information…ect)
What I need is the “cleanest” non-intrusive, non-coloring, headphone amp..
Thanks for answering!!
Yann
Mike
Yann,
Thanks for reposting here. With a good amp the sound would have better definition, space, etc.
The cleanest, non coloring amp, please look at the Lehmann Black Cube Linear, the SPL Phonitor/Auditor, and the Lavry DA11.
http://www.headfonia.com/lehmann-black-cube-linear/
http://www.headfonia.com/spls-phonitor-and-auditor/
http://www.headfonia.com/lavry-da11-review/
Yannick Bisson
Thanks! How about the Violetric V200? Or the Avenson HeadPhone amp?
Mike
I don’t know how either amp sounds. Lieven did the review on the V200 so he should be able to comment. @headfonia_lieven:disqus
Yannick Bisson
Thanks guys!
Vern
Sorry, I’m not L, but I don’t think his answer will stray too far from mine. I hold the V200 in very high regards, but I don’t think it’s quite what you’re looking for. It definitely leans towards the colored side (I know this because I like the added warmth to my music).
L.
Vern’s right. It is on the warmer side of the spectrum, not really neutral. No idea of the Avenson
Valentin
Hmm… “Cube”. Now where did I read that word? 😉
Valentin
How much are you willing to spend?
A aprox 250 USD candidate is the Lovely Cube Amp. An exact clone of a more famous german amp, especially linear with HD800. Heck, they even used it as “the” HD800-amp when it was released.
Another cheap option would be Objective2. Since it does exactly what you look for. Neutrality. I think the best part is using linear stuff and then listening to a euphonic headphone rig och speakers and getting goosebumps. Linearity in mastering is fantastic. Then everyone can tweak it to their liking. 😉
Moving a bit more up a Kevin Gilmore Dynalo (DIY, or if you want it pre-made: e.g.Sheer Audio HA-006++ if you’re short on cash, or a balanced Dynalo e.g. Headamp GS-X for 2500 USD) is still 11 years later considered to be an extremely transparent and neutral headphone.
I could go on for a while… So be more specific! 🙂
L.
thx for the reply V 🙂
Valentin
I only reply when (I think) I have a good answer. Thus my reserved contribution. 😉
Jack Harvey
how’s alo national’s pairing with IEMs?
Mike
Sure I use it with IEMs.
Alfy
Can you review the auralic taurus?
Mike
@headfonia_lieven:disqus (Lieven) was going to do that review. I don’t know if he still is going to.
L.
Not at the moment. I listened to it though a few weeks back. Very neutral, analytic, light bass, lighter body. A great amp if you like neutral.
Caio Henrique Gonçalves Marque
hey,i thinking in buy a senn hd 650 used and i saw they are great all rounder but i will hear mainly rock,eletronica,the hd 650 is for me? and i need a amp and dac under 500. for the hd 650.can you say me one ?thanks
Mike
Try the HD600 instead, a bit faster pace for Rock.
Caio Henrique Gonçalves Marque
rhanks for the advice i bought in the ebay a pair of grado sr 80 and a cmoy amp for 90 bucks,i do a great buy?
Trent_D
I have the HD650, and I don’t think it is for you. It has a thick, laid back sound that doesn’t do a great job transferring the energy that makes music like rock or electronic work. Jazz and Classical are well served by the HD650. The only rock headphone I have any experience with is the Superlux HD660, which is great fun, but I can’t tell you how it compares against other headphones with similar genre balance because I haven’t heard any.
L.
Why not try the HE400?
sc_low
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Thanks for sharing!
Ken Stuart
Okay, so can you clarify what you mean by “dry” or “drier” in your reviews ? The recording studio use of the terms means “with no reverb”, in other words, the difference between the sound in your bathroom (not dry) and your closet (dry). But I don’t think that is how you are using the term in your headphone reviews, so it would be helpful to clarify this.
dalethorn
http://www.stereophile.com/content/sounds-audio-glossary-glossary-d-e
Stereophile covers both uses, pretty well I think.
Davidson Sacluti
Hey Guys,
I Just bought an HD650 and wondering what would be the more beneficial upgrade i can make for about $300 or less.
Would it make a better difference if i got a Dacport LX or Audinst HUD-MX1 compared to the Schiit Asgard Desktop Amp ?
I currently have an Fiio D3 and Hifiman HM101 as source and only an Audinst AMP-HP as the amplifier.
Thanks and I love reading your Articles for more information. 🙂
Trent_D
Get the LX. You should have a little cash left over. Then, save up for a Bottlehead Crack (probably).
Mark Jamey Mauldin
What is the best setup for getting the most out of an IPOD Classic and a good set of cans? I just bought a PA2V2. Do I need a good DAC also?
John Clare
Bypass the ipod’s DAC by getting a Cypher Labs Algorhythm Solo (expensive for what it does in my opinion) or Fostex HP-P1 (more polished product, less clunky and less bulky than the Solo + an amp and it also has a built-in amplifier which you can choose to use or bypass).
I would have bought the Fostex over the Solo due to value for money and utility but I got a lightly used Solo on eBay for a very good price and a whiplash twag2 cable thrown in. There is a subtle but noticeable improvement in sound quality when using one of these DACs.
dalethorn
For best sound a low-cost PC laptop/netbook (Windows XP is best), or Macbook, with a Dragonfly DAC/amp. That package, especially if it’s a small netbook, is every bit as portable as the iPod with Fostex or Algorhythm DAC, and will sound much, much better.
Raúl Burgos
Hello everyone!
I want to polish my setup a little bit, but I am overwhelmed by its complexity.
Right now I have a Dacport LX as the main source, a Little Dot MKIII tube amp and a Yulong a800 SS amp. My headphones are the Sennheiser HD 600, LCD-2, Beyer DT700 AE and UM Merlin.
I also happen to have a couple of studio monitors Adam Audio A5X, which I use quite often.
I am a bit bored of the complexity of my system and I am looking for a nice headphone amp/preamp that I can use with most, if not all, my headphones.
If it would include a DAC, that would be perfect, although I can keep using my Dacport LX with it.
My eyes were on the Burson Ha-160D, but I am open to other options. I liked the TubeDac-11 idea, but it looks more like a downgrade than an improve.
The budget would be around 1500$. I listen to electronica & pop music.
Thanks in advance!
Marc_D26
Hi Mike,
It seems like my questions regarding the Glacier that I replied to your comment got buried down there and you didn’t realize it. So I will re-type it again:
Does the Glacier still sound tubey & mid-centric as the TTVJ Slim? Any notes on its bass performance? (its bass quantity and whether it’s punchy or great impact for Rock)
When you said that the Glacier is very spacious in soundstage, is it as great as the RX Mk3 even in its balanced mode?
I’m currently considering RX Mk3 or Continental other than the Glacier. I don’t know where the Glacier stand among them in terms of SQ and technical refinement.
Have you compared the Glacier’s DAC quality against other portable/transportable DAC such as HRT, Centrance, etc?
I own the Senn IE-80 and LCD-2, currently considering to buy either the HD800 or HD700 to be used with future portable amp for bedside listening. Any impressions on those two Senns when used with the Glacier?
Thanks very much, I would really appreciate your valuable insights!
Iván Åminne Vigil
Hi! First of all I really want to thank you for fantastic reviews.
Then to my question; After reading about a couple of reviews on headphones I decided to try a couple of them out and got caught by the HD25-1 II. They deliver exactly what I am looking for in a pair of headphones sound wise. But then to my problem. I am looking for a full size head phone for home/studio use only, that covers my ears and may have a bit more relaxed fit.
They do not have to be as easy-driven as the HD25-1 but I really would like them to have the same (or close to same) sound signature. Do you have any suggestions of what to look for? Best Regards, Ivan from Sweden.
Mike
Ivan, sorry for the late reply.
Try the Beyer T1? That’s the closest I can think of. Senn’s high end headphones are great, but they are not as forward sounding as the HD25-1.
Iván Åminne Vigil
Thank you very much for your answer. They are a bit too expensive to me though. I am looking for something at about the same price as the HD25-1 II or maximum twice the price of them..
Mike
Quite difficult to be honest. the HD25-1 is really unique, haven’t seen anything else with its sound signature.
Iván Åminne Vigil
Well, thanks anyway 🙂
It all ended up quite contradictious of me buying the AKG K550 together with a Fiio E10. Anyway, I am very satisfied.
Seth Morton
Hi There,
I have a pair of Denon AH-D1100’s and they’re my first semi-expensive pair of headphones as I come into being an audiophile. Does anyone else have a pair of these? How do they stack up to other big-name headphones in their price range like some Sennheisers or Grado’s? I have no past experience with any other models, but I’m really happy with the Denon’s so far. Anybody got some tips for a beginning audiophile on some other info on headphones or anything? I’ve also ordered a cMoyBB from JDSLabs.
Mike
Seth,
I dont’ personally own the D1100s but they are very popular headphones among the enthusiasts and I believe its because they have a sound quality to match it. Should be comparable to similarly priced Senns or Grados. Sound signature should be closer to the Senns rather than Grados.
Guys,
Is the D1100 the same as the Creative Aurvana Live? I remember someone telling me they’re the same.
Julius
No. The Denon D1001 is basically the same as the Creative Live. The D1100 is much bassier and punchy, where the D1001 was smoother all around.
Ken Stuart
I ordered the new Magni $99 Headphone Amp from Schiit today and received a tracking number in minutes. I live what is usually 1 day shipping from them, so I should have some comments this weekend.
I’ll compare it to the JDSlabs Cmoy and a hybrid Class A headphone amp, using the HE-400 and the SRH-1840. Schiit does say:
Q: Did you say this thing will drive orthos?
A: Many of them, yes. The HiFiMan HE400 and HE500 do well with Magni, as well as the Audeze LCD2. The popular Fostex T50RP mods (Mad Dog, Paradox) are also a good match. HE-6, not so much.
( They could adopt the weird slogan ” I hope Santa brings me Schiit ! ” )
PS The amp is priced so low because it currently only works with 120volt power, and only is sold directly from schiit dot com.
Mike
Nice. Hope it sounds good.
Ken Stuart
First impression of the Magni’s conclusion – probably better than most amps in this price range, not as clean, clear or transparent as $300+ amps, very good value for use with HiFiMan phones. Again, the Magni may not yet be “burnt-in” as it has only been playing for 3-4 hours.
Longer form – much less congested than the JDSlabs CmoyBB with the SRH-1840, but more congested than my tube-FET hybrid amp. Also less colored than the Cmoy. But missing that perfectly clean quality of a higher-end amp.
Lots of volume for the HE400. If someone is looking to spend less than $300 for an amp for the HE400, I think this is probably the best option, although actually I have never heard any of the FiiO or “O” gear.
Trent_D
You ever heard the asgard? How do you feel that compares?
Ken Stuart
Have not heard the Asgard.
Julius
I like my Magni. For $99 I have no complaints. It is simple, stylish and powerful enough to drive my HE6 to uncomfortably high volume. This is a snappy little amp by comparison to the vastly more expensive Hifiman EF6, which sounded so smooth and slick with my Aune T1 and HE6. Lots more bite to everything, not nearly clear enough for the HE400 IMO, let alone the HE500.
Definitely can push each to nice volumes. I’m working on the review. Trying to get my hands on the Modi. ( Zero chance its better than my Aune T1 Dac )
Trent_D
Have you heard the asgard? My is burning in right now. I will start listening when I get home from work tomorrow morning.
Gorboman
Is the Magni & Modi really for the US only? 🙁
Trent_D
I concur with most of what Ken said here. I didn’t think that the difference in congestion between the cMoy and the Magni was as pronounced as he did, but the Magni was an improvement. It sounds a bit more dynamic, and a bit more spacious, but it is a tad brighter, so it could be the increased treble doing that. I am going to wait and say more after I have spent at least a few days with it.
Ken Stuart
Jason at Schiit said to allow “50-100 hours” of burn-in time, so I am doing that.
Trent_D
Jason told me 50, and I am going to give it that. The more I listen to it, however, the more I can’t look past one thing: an extremely narrow, shallow sound stage. It’s still a good deal for its price, but I don’t think I can live with the sound stage, even for rock. I might just need to save up for the asgard, which has (as I recall, it has been a little bit) a similar sound, but with a much better width and depth.
Trent_D
I couldn’t resist and ordered one too. It will be interesting comparing it to the cMoy. I would also be curious to hear their new dac. $99 is a nice price point for a dac.
Julius
I ordered the Magni as well. It will look awesome sitting under my Aune T1 Dac.
Trent_D
We should do a three way review. Maybe they could send one of us a review sample of the asgard. It would be interesting to see how they compare.
Julius
I just received my new revision Hifiman HE400. All I have to say at the moment is “wow”.
Mike
Nice!
Ken Stuart
Why is everything being released Too Late for Christmas ?? Incompetence ?
Schiit Magni and Modi
HRT micoStreamer and MusicStreamer HD
Denon 600 and 7100
Shure SE215LE
Sony MDR-1R
FiiO E12 and X3
Philips X1
and I’m getting the impression that all the other manufacturers are just even more late. 🙂 🙂
L.
the Denons and X1 were in time for sure :p
Eric Thompson
I totally agree with you on the Schiit and Fiio stuff, and sony has a portable iDAC, didn’t see that coming….
Mike
Eric,
The Sony portable iDAC sounds awful. We had one unit last time and not one person liked it.
Alfy
Hey Mike! Will you be testing the Benchmark dac 2? looks intresting! And if you haven’t listen to the Auralic taurus yet, then you realy should! Its saild up as one of the favorite amps in Norway over the burson line! And another question.. or I think I know you will be testing Sennheisers new Amp line!!??
L.
We will for sure test the Senn amps. I listened to the Taurus with the LCD2 and LCD3 and while it is a great and powerful amp with wonderful clarity, neutrality and detail, it wasn’t my thing.
Mike
I didn’t know you have listened to the Taurus.
When are you getting the Senn Amps, L?
L.
Lots of stuff you don’t know 😉
I’ve asked for them, waiting for a reply…
Mike
Alfy, no plans for the Benchmark Dac 2.
Markus
Hey guys,
Is anyone familiar with the tube amp “Xindak MT-2”, in German they are selling it under the branch “Audreal MT-2”. It’s a tube amp with integrated DAC and can also be used as amp for high efficient speakers.
output-power: 2 x 1,5 W-3,5 V/40
Also wanted to ask you what kind of data (specifications) would be an indicator, whether an amp is suited for dynamic headphones, orthodynamics, etc…?
Mike
Hi Markus,
No idea about the Xindak/Audreal. Is it good?
You can’t really read the specifications and know if it’s going to be good. This is why recommendations are good since it comes from people who’ve heard/own the pairing.
Markus
From what I’ve read it should be really good, a real bargain and nearly a giant killer. Unfortunately in the world of portable Hi-Fi or Head-Fi the company is relatively unknown, compared to the more popular ones. I am really considering buying one because some people say it is that good.
Eduardo Biscaia de Queiroz
Mike,
I listen mostly to 80’s Pop songs (Hall and Oates, MJ, Madonna and so on. Some of them are unfortunately remastered versions). My plan is getting a DAC/amp (probably Yulong U100) and a US$300,00 headphone. Which one do you recommend? I want a neutral/slight warm, slight laid back voicing. Today, my system consists in a Fiio E10 and Senn HD202, I like that, but I want to get a system similar but improved.
Thanks in advance,
Eduardo
Mike
Matrix Mini Portable with the Senn HD650. The Senn is the perfect upgrade for the 202. The Matrix, I think it pairs better than the Yulong.
Eduardo Biscaia de Queiroz
Thanks for your reply, Mike.
Is your DAC recommendation based on the fact that pop recordings have treble boost (specially the remastered versions that try to mimic current recordings)? I read your review about the Matrix and, if I’m not mistaken, the dac makes the sound even darker. Just a little afraid, because, I like treble (but not harsh treble). Another issue (I asked for help and now I’m just complaining, :)) I prefer something bigger (size-wise), so is there another DAC/amp that sounds similar to Matrix Mini?
Last, do you have another headphone (now you’re gonna block me)? Only for opening my possibilities.
Again, thanks for your help!
Mike
Good thing you’ve read the review!
yes the matrix isn’t going to help with the HD650’s dark sound. If you are afraid to go overly dark, then…
What’s your budget? Dacport LX is nice if you want a less dark option. Then use a Cmoy for the amp. Or if you can afford a bottlehead Crack.
These are all for the HD650.
Or you can also try reading the Philips Fidelio X1 review see if it fits you.
http://www.headfonia.com/tag/philips/
Trent_D
I like the dacport lx with the HD650, and Mike is right, the HD650 has a very similar sound to the HD202, just upgrade.
Eduardo Biscaia de Queiroz
Hi Trend,
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. What amp do use?
Trent_D
Right now, the cMoy. As soon as Bottlehead gets the parts in, the Crack.
Eduardo Biscaia de Queiroz
Mike,
Thank you! It’s really hard to me to decide which gear is better once I have nowhere to test them (I live in Curitiba, Brazil), such equipment is expensive and taxes are pretty high here, so it’s a lot of pressure to me to make that decision.
Mike
Take it easy, Eduardo 😉
Roger
I’m looking to buy a new headphone, and I’ve been looking at the Beyerdynamic T1 and T5p, as they seem to be the best fit with the music I usually listen to. They’re about the same price. You say the T5p is slightly below the T1 in your buyer’s guide, is it a relatively big difference? I would like closed cans to shut a little bit of noise out, but don’t want to sacrifice too much for it; as closed cans isn’t a must in any way, just a perk if I can get it.
Also, do you have any recommended amp and source pairings with them? Got an Asgaard at the moment, but considering getting another amp and a source.
Mike
Roger,
The difference between the T1 and the T5p is there, but I wouldn’t sweat it. If what you need is a closed headphone, then go with the T5p. I think it’s a very strong candidate for my version of the best closed headphone in the market right now.
Is this going to be for a desktop or portable system?
If desktop, I would advice you to get the best DAC you can. The T5p will give you every penny’s worth of the dollar you spend on the DAC.
Something like the Fostex HP-A8 perhaps?
Roger
Thanks! Think I’ll go for the T5p then.
It’s going to be for a desktop. And suprisingly, I actually found that Fostex for sale nationally. It can be a real pain in the ass if I have to order froam abroad, a £1500 item can quickly become £2,5k with taxes etc. And finding top of the line items isn’t easy here.
Will it do fine on it’s own, or do you recommend something more? ( If you had money to waste, I guess. From the quick read through the review you did on the Fostex, it seems you found the amp decent enough). Probably not anytime soon, just wondering if I want something more in the future.
Thanks for your help Mike,
Roger
Mike
I think the Fostex will be fine on its own… of course you can always hook it up to a tube amp.
I think there should be a UK retailer for the Fostex since Edd gots his Fostex from a local source.
Roger
Well, I’m not from the UK, but from Norway. And in a country with only 5 million people, not everything is easily available nationally. And with 25% base tax on import and other fees, things get expensive pretty fast. Only used the £ since I got the co.uk amazon searching for the Fostex.
Thanks a lot for the help though Mike!
Valentin
Hej Roger!
Don’t want to contradict Mike. But I’d take a gooood look at T50RP Paradox. Fantastic headphone. Reference sound.
/V
Roger
Mike wasn’t the one who brought up the Beyer; from what I read it should fit pretty nicely with the music I normally listen to. I was wondering if I would go with the closed or open version, T1 or the T5p. He recommended the Fostex amp to go with it.
However, I’m open to suggestions. I’m having a bit trouble finding the T50RP Paradox though. From 5 minutes of googling: it’s the LFF T50RP mod? Found him on the Head-Fi forum, and what seems to be a reseller of his (Referenceaudio) headphones. Is this the headphone you’re talking about?
How do you think these would compare to the T1/T5p? It’s under half the price, so I guess that’s a good thing. But you wouldn’t really think they’d be comparable, as they are just that.
Valentin
Hi mate!
The Beyers are ok. I find them to be a bit overpriced for the sound they bring to the table.
There will be a review of the Paradox in about 4-5 weeks here on headfonia. But in short I can say that it’s truly a reference headphone. How LFF was able to squeeze out that impressive sound from a 200 USD-headphone is a feat by itself.
1) it’s the best closed headphone I’ve heard. 2) it’s the most transparent headphone I’ve heard. In my book it can’t be compared to the rather harsh Beyer’s. I consider it a HE-500 but much more transparent (without the added warmth the HE-500 has).
The best way to explain it is the following. You’re listening the music/dac/amp without any headphone-related artifacts. It shows what the record/source has to offer without coloring the sound. I know, it sounds pretty boring. But it isn’t. The imaging, soundstage, frequency response is top-notch.
/V
Roger
Well, that is a really strong recommendation, to say the least. You definitely got me interested in them. And from what I’ve read so far about them, they seem to be great value for their price.
I see from the site that they come with some different cables, the stock Fostex at $500, $630 for Mogami, and $730 for Mogami with 4-pin XLR. Have you tried different ones? Basicly, I’m at a loss here, should I go for the ones with the better cables, or will the stock do? I see they also got further upgrades over “Mogami”. I have no idea when it comes to that, never recabled any headphones, and have no idea what difference it might make, and if it’s worth it.
I defenitly have to consider the Paradox though, I want to try them now. I might just get them either way.
Thanks Valentin!
Valentin
Yeah you could say that 😉
The short answer to your question is no. The cable doesn’t matter from a sound-wise perspective. The question you should ask yourself is. Where will I use this HP? Might this change in the future?
I*ve tried (read: own) both a mini-XLR one and one with the Mogami 1,5 m long terminated in a 3.5 mm.
I prefer the mini-XLR one because it’s versatile. I can hopok up a short 3.5 mm-cable for portable use. I can hook up a long 4-pin balanced for home use etc. etc.
If you’re like “most” normal persons and run a Single-Ended amp. I’d recommend the Mogami 3.5 mm 1.5 m long.
It’s enough for most use and If you want to use it on a bigger desktop amp just add an 3.5 to 6.3 mm-adapter. I always think. It’s much more convenient to make 3.5 mm to 6.3 than the other way around. You can also add a extension cord this way, should you ever need it.
Can’t tell you much more about the HP before the review is public. Otherwise there will be no review left..
God Jul!
Roger
Haha, totally get that. Thanks a lot. I might just be getting a pair after christmas.
God Jul
mechchimp
Hello Mike and folks.
I’m looking for an AMP/Dac combo to pair with my Beyers DT990 250 Ohm.
I’ll use it mainly in connection with a laptop/computer (though something as a line-in or optical-in would be a plus).
At first I thought I could go with an all-arounder and pretty cheap device as the E17: it gives me plenty of options and some control.
I’m afraid though It won’t be enough to drive the 250 Ohm cans.
My budget is around $ 150-20. Any suggestions?
Mike
The E17 actually would drive the 250Ω Beyer with lots of room to spare.
The amplifier section of the E17 is more powerful than a lot of the other DAC/Amp units below the $200-$300 range.
And with the tone control, I think it would be good since I think the DT990 would require some treble softening (at least for me).
mechchimp
Thanks for the prompt reply.
Another similar device I could get hold of is the Audioengine D1.
Have you ever had the chance to fiddle with it?
Mike
Ah, no experience with the D1 really. I’ve heard good things about it, so if you feel like the D1 is a good way to go then go for it.
mechchimp
Thanks for the reassuring reply about the E17. You convinced me I don’t need a more “powerful” amp than that.
I have read pretty enthusiastic reviews about the D1 too.
Sticking in that same class of devices I’ll either go with the Fiio or give the D1 a try.
I’ll gladly report back, just hoping to be helpful.
dalethorn
I have the D1, and unlike the E17 it has no tone controls. Worse though is the D1 will probably accentuate the headphone’s treble compared to the E17, which I also have.
mechchimp
I was under the impression (unfortunately not from firsthand listening) that the D1 signature was on the “warm” side of the spectrum…
Since you own them both (I’ve read your comments all across, the internet), could you please comment on the driving power of the 2 devices?
dalethorn
The E17 is at least as good on medium power, and much stronger when switched to high gain. The D1 gets its power from the USB only, so it can sound strained on high volume with less efficient headphones. I don’t have the HD800 handy anymore, but that would make a good test for the D1. I also don’t know if having a powered USB or USB-3 port would help. I have run the D1 and Dragonfly side by side, and don’t hear a significant difference in quality (but the D1 is way ahead of the E17 in high freq. detail and “air”), but I have gotten bad distortion with the Dragonfly under certain conditions that didn’t affect the D1. In my tests of the E17 as a DAC, it and the iStreamer were clearly inferior to the D1, Dragonfly, and HeadStreamer. I use the E17 strictly as an analog amp from the i-device’s LODs.
mechchimp
Even though the volume itself wouldn’t be an issue (I tend to listen to my music at pretty low volume), I still fear the D1 wouldn’t help that much in driving the 250ohm of my DT990.
After reading your reply I think I’ll end up having a first-entry solution as the E17 (I might use it with my iDevices as well while I’m at it) and build a better desktop system (Dac + Amp) in time.
Ken Stuart
HRT have a brand new product that replaces the HeadStreamer (for use from non-i sources.)
dalethorn
I checked every product on the HRT site, and found a Microstreamer that looks interesting (but no details), and a Headstreamer Mobile that looks like what everybody wants if the description is what I read into it. The Mobile would work as a desktop/laptop USB DAC and headphone amp, and also work with iPads with the free included adapter (not sure about iphones or ipods though). But for me the bottom line is, I found the FiiO E17 and HRT iStreamer to be clearly inferior to the Headstreamer, Audioengine D1, and Dragonfly DACs in sound quality. Why I don’t know. Because they don’t go above 48 khz bandwidth? I doubt that’s the only reason. When I made the comparison it was playing 320k MP3’s on both the desktop DACs and the iStreamer and E17 DACs, using headphones.
Mike
Alright thanks!
Pkrdlr
Hi Guys, Wishing everyone a happy holiday. What do you think of pairing my ad900 with ibasso d7, I can get one for $110 usd. Listening to Classical/Acoustic/Classic Rock from laptop. Thanks
Julius
Ah man, tough call here. Would the low end quantity of your AD900 be vital to your happiness? If so, I’d recommend the Fiio E17 over the D7 in that case, I think it might be the wiser choice due to superior soundstaging. But, I recall the D7 sounding more clear by a narrow margin, but with less bass presence. Depends on your preference.
Mike
What Julius said.
N.
Hi guys, I am looking a headphone and amp/DAC (whatever is necessary) to go with my laptop. I have been using the Westone UM3X for quite a few years now and I like it a lot. I am willing to pay $500-800 for a pair of headphone and an amp/dac (problably $300-500 for the headphone and somewhere under $300 for my amp) I listen to a lot of POP, J-POP, some Jazz, and electronics. Thanks guys
Valentin
Does it have to be portable?
If no…
—————–
Schiit Magni + Modi. (Haven’t reviewed it myself, but sources I have confidence in have given it praisings) + HiFiMAN HE-400.
That should end up at aprox 700-800 USD with S/H and possible taxes. (200 USD for Modi/Magni 400 USD for HE-400).
If yes…
——————
Leckerton Audio UHA-4 + HE-400
Trent_D
I haven’t heard the he400 or the Modi, but I can’t say that the Magni is that amazing. Granted, I am using the HD650, but I find my ears preferring the cMoy over the Magni. Also, Julius didn’t speak that highly of the Magni/he400 combo, but like I said, I haven’t heard it myself.
N.
Thank you for the reply. I have been looking into the HE-400 and I think it would be a good fit for me. A couple questions, I live with a roommate. How loud is the noise coming out from the HE-400? He usually works in the same room and I don’t want to disturb him.
What is the thing with rev.1 and rev.2? are there different versions of this headphone? I heard rev.2 is the upgraded version. How do I make sure I get the correct one?
L.
I wouldn’t suggest the HE400 if you can’t leak sound. You’ll always get the Rev 2, the Rev 1 doesn’t exist anymore.
N.
sound leak is definitely ok for me. I just heard that it is the leak is very loud (probably not gonna be a problem regardless)
What amp/dac would you guys reccomend? I don’t need this to be portable. I am looking at the suggested mangi/modi, O2/ODAC, or the E17.
Thanks for the reply for far XD
Julius
Decide on a headphone first, after that we can better guide you to the right Dac and Amp pairing that will mesh well with it.
The Magni’s 1w into 32ohm isn’t nearly enough for the Orthos. This is a $99 amplifier guys, I could not recommend an Amp this small with this type of power output for use with $400-800 headphones. Clarity is just great, but its a weak amplifier and needs a bass booster to sound GREAT with the HE400. If you have one, you will be very happy. If not, you are missing the amazing low end experience the HE400 was intended to provide.
Valentin
I agree, and don’t agree at the same time. One has to be realistic too. If you spend 400 dollars on a headphone, not spending too much on the amp/dac is probably more realistic.
Of course it sounds better with a chunkier amp. But HE-400, LCD-2’s and LCD-3’s all have very good efficiency. A bigger amp has a better power supply, now that’s a whole different aspect.
😉
Julius
1w into the 35ohm HE400 with the Aune T1 is enough to make you def. 1.2w into 32ohm on the Schiit Magni is useless with efficient headphones. So, why not get something you can actually tube roll, something that sounds a little bigger with better separation? Something you can use as a Dac AND an Amp for very efficient to moderately efficient headphones?
The Aune alone is a little bit better on its own than it is when you connect the it to the Magni. If you pay $99 for the Magni, you still need a Dac. So you are going to spend another $99 or so anyway. If you do that, you cannot tailor the sound with Tube selections. Don’t get me wrong, the Magni sounds exceptionally clear for this price and with proper EQ for use with the HE400, the sound is excellent. However, via a Dacs line out where the low end is 100% reliant upon the Magnis Bass output, the HE400 low end experience is seriously lacking. It just doesn’t have the power and I will never recommend the HE400 for use with the Magni via THIS METHOD. It makes a GREAT office or college dorm amplifier, something to tote around easily. But, I’ll never recommend this as a “great amplifier” for the HE400. Its a great stepping stone amplifier to be used away from your home rig, that I can contest to and safely say its one of the best amplifiers for that type of situation. Office Workers, Students, casual listeners, bedside amplification needs…situations like this I would think the Magni excels at.
PC + Aune T1 + HE400 = Better than
PC+Aune T1 + Magni + HE400
Ken Stuart
Like a lot of audio, it depends on what you are looking for, and what you listen to.
For example, Schiit says that the Magni works fine with the HE400, and in fact, they are right in that it produces plenty of volume.
However, Julius pointed out the Magni was not as good as other amps in producing the best bass from the HE400, and after checking it out, I found that he was right.
Since the point of buying the HE400 is its superior bass detail, it seems counterproductive to then use it with an amp that cannot product that bass.
So, we have two different things – the headphones having enough sensitivity and the amp having enough wattage
to produce sufficient volume – which is what people usually mean by “it will work fine with that amp” – and conversely, the amp being able to produce the best qualities from the headphones (I think this is what people mean by “drive” the headphones).
Valentin
I think this remains to be a question of how to squeeze out the maximum sound from a headphone within a given financial margin.
It also reminds me of the LCD-3 + 1000 USD amp or LCD-2 + 2000 USD amp.
I think that HE-400 is a fantastic headphone for the money. But how to squeeze out as much as possible for the remaining 300-ish dollars is an answer I should have avoided.
/V
Trent_D
Nice job stating the difference between “working” and “driving”.
Julius
Driving power is easy to find. The amount of voltage needed to “Drive” the headphone to a certain amount of volume is what Schiit means by “It works”. The Magni drives the HE500 extremely well and to deafening volume, more so with the HE400. But, it just lacks the clarity and bass output to allow me to recommend it. This is a budget amplifier that should be used with Budget Headphones. Good dynamic headphones like the HD598, Ultrasone Pro series, Grado 325i, Beyer DT880 and similarly priced sets with high quality to mid range price ratios are what the Magni is best suited for. These headphones are the very limit of what I would recommend the Magni for. Ortho Territory is a no no…
Trent_D
But, one the other hand, if I am going to spend $400 on a pair of headphones, I would want to be sure I could do them justice, or I might feel like I wasted that 400.
Valentin
I think this is getting blown out of proportions. “Wasted” makes it sound as if it’s an iPod we’re discussing. You guys are free to continue this discussion. I don’t see how I can add anything else except for this. I apologize discussing an amp/dac that I haven’t heard with my own ears. I still stand by the fact that the HE-400 is the best 400 USD-headphone on the market currently. However 200 USD-amp/DACs isn’t my speciality. /V
Trent_D
First, I want to say, I still very much enjoy my iPod. I just meant to say that what can happen is someone buys something new and fancy, expecting it to blow their mind, and end up disappointing because it doesn’t redefine the world as they know it. Of course, that could happen even with the best gear. I should have thought out my statement a little better.
N.
Thanks again for the reply
After some thoughts and a lot of research, I think a closed headphone would suite me better. I prefer something fun, musical, and darker sounding. What is the best option for &300-500 price range? These are options I have found – Sony MDR-7520, MDR-1R, AKG-550 (might be too technical sounding for me), M-100 (I like bass, but this one seems a little bit overwhelming). I am open to suggestions and would really appreciate it if anyone can specify which of these headphones would fit my taste.
Julius
I think the majority would say the Sennheiser Momentum fits the bill.
Gorboman
The Momentum is dark and quite musical, but I don’t think it’s in the fun category. I see fun as having a good PRaT. The Sony MDR-1R fits better for that description, though much less dark IMHO.
Personally, I would choose the T50RP Mad Dog by Mr. Speakers with Dog Pads. And for an open back one, I’d choose the HiFiMan HE-400 rev 2. However, both are orthos so you might want to consider pairing with the right amp.
L.
Really? The Momentum = 200% fun. Absolutely didn’t like the Mad Dogs. The HE400 doesn’t need much of an amp, the great C421 will do just fine.
Gorboman
Yes. The Momentum was not fun when I demo it. More laid back IMHO. For fun cans, I’d be referring to HD25, Amperior, DT770/80, or perhaps V-Moda M80 if one prefers a little bit more bass.
I agree on the amp. And yes, the Mad Dog is not for everyone. The HE-400 rev 2, on the other hand, is. But it’s an open back design which some people might need closed back instead depending on where they will be using the headphone.
Julius
Oh also, I made a video that should answer your question on leakage. enjoy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Cheou2FdpY
Ken Stuart
The sound leak on the HE400 is definitely louder than any other headphones (except for other planar design headphones). I think that the leak is actually louder than the side facing the ear (not joking).
I agree with Julius that the Magni and the HE400 are not a good fit, and another reviewer finds the O2 sounding very close to the Magni, which means that it may not be the right match – check with someone who has that combo.
L.
I will try that for you 😉
Julius
Who are your sources ? heh, I disagree with them
Julius
Why upgrade if you like the Westone? I’m going to say all you need is the Sennheiser Momentum ( $350 ) and the Fiio E17 ( $135 ). The Magni or one of the more recent Cmoy BB amps are optional. You might not need it. Invest in a decent interconnect if you do decide you want more power.
N.
Well, I am a little bored of the Westone and a nice desktop set up would be nice. I plan on using the new set in-house, so I can perhaps get something more substantial. The Sennheiser Momentum and Fiio E17 seem really practical for now.
Mike
Momentum and the E17 sounds good.
Steven Setiawan
Hello Mike or L.. Now i have hm 601 dap.. How ur opinion about hm 601 with soundmagic a10 via line out.. Would soundmagic have better sq than stock hm601 amp ?
Thanks.
Mike
I would go with the 601 direct out.
Unless an amp is absolutely necessary, you’ll lose the resolution of the 601 DAC if you lengthen the path of the audio signal.
The A10 is a nice warm amp, but not the most powerful or the most transparent amp.
Steven Setiawan
So direct from the headphone out of hm 601is thebest ? How with pair with alo national.. Would the resolution lose too? Ohh btw i will pair hm 601dap with asg1 and tf 10..
Mike
With those IEMs, I wouldn’t worry about amping really.
If you want an upgrade get the HM-801 or the upcoming HM-901.
Steven Setiawan
Seems now stick with hm601… Waiting for hm 901 and save the money for it..
Btw Merry Christmas Mike And big thanks 🙂
Mike
Alright Steven!
ryan
Hey mike, is there any difference in sound between the old and new ltd edition se215? I know it’s a downgrade from my 535, but I am looking for an iem with more bass.
Mike
Yes, I posted about it here:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=500419436669425&set=a.283848904993147.77118.145341288843910&type=1
more bass than the stock 215? the 215LE have lower hitting bass but you lose some midrange body.
ryan
Smaller version of 535? How’s the bass compare to 535?
Mike
Sort of a smaller version of the 535LE. Bass is muddier and the impact is weaker than 535LE.
ryan
There are people who say that bass on 215 is more than 535 but I trust you more….got to pass on this
ChrisTheConqueror
If anyone could help me with another recommendation i would really appreciate it. How would one compare the sound of AKG K550 to that of the Beyer DT 880 Premium? I tried to Beyers for 3 hours or so and i have to say i hated it’s sound. Other than a bit more bass than i’m used to (i don’t really listen to bassy music) i found them lacking very much. The sound was just so metallic and the sibilance very annoying. Compared to my Grado SR80, even though they have a bit more sibilance on some tracks, on other i’ve found them much more pleasant and revealing that the DT880. Also i have a pair of HD 380 Pro and even though they are not more revealing, they are much more enjoyable to my ears. No sibilance (except on REALLY loud volumes) and a non-metallic sound. Pretty weird because the DT 880 costs almost 3 times than any of these but i hate it so… Pretty long post but i just wanted to tell you about my musical preferences :).
Mike
Hard to say Chris.. from your long post I’ve only been able to tell that so far the Grado is your safest bet. Or the Sennheiser headphones like the HD650.
ChrisTheConqueror
Ok then thank you for your answer. I guess i kinda like treble or mid-centric headphones lately like the grado.
If you don’t mind do you have any other suggestions for similar headphones? The HD 650 is pretty expensive for my budget.
Mike
Try the DT770 LE? It’s been very popular so far.
http://www.headfonia.com/the-beyerdynamic-we-love-dt770-anniversary-edition/
Mike
Try the senn hd25-1.
jabse
Hey, how does the soundstage of the Philips Fidelio X1 compare to the he-400’s? depth/imaging/separation, is the bass full bodied with enough impact? or more boomy sub bass…
I really need an AIRY/immersive pair of headphones for trance, so should i pull the trigger on the philips?
Mike
The soundstage of the X1 is good, comparable to the HE-400 with different strength and weaknesses. The bass is full bodied and has good impact.
If you are really looking for a dedicated trance headphone, the HE-400 is the better choice IMO.
jabse
hmm interesting, but I heard X1 is more open sounding/airy.. is it not? if you had to label one of the phones to have an “immersive” soundstage, which would it be?
also any genres you prefer X1 over he-400? Thanks.
one last thing, does the X1 respond well to EQ’ing?
Mike
Yes the x1 is more airy. Immersive soundstage, I think a bit more on te hifiman.
Charlie Rysavy
Hi! Thank you for your informative reviews. I have a difficult time choosing my first DAC to use with my M-Audio AV40 active speakers. I am choosing between:
1) Audioengine D1 (features are awesome, but how does the sound compare to HRT products?)
2) HRT Music Streamer II
3) HRT Music Streamer II+ (From what I’ve heard, the smaller brother is good enough, but since I don’t like compromises, I’d probably go for this one, if it turns out to be the best option, despite costing almost twice as much as the other options… )
4) Arcam rPAC
5) Cambridge Audio DacMagic 100
6) Audinst HUD-MX1
7) CEntrance DACport LX
Please, help me decide, the more I read about these products, the more indecisive I am. Features are nice, but I ultimately prefer the best sound quality. Also, bear in mind my speakers, the M-Audio AV40, if you have any experience with them. Thanks!
Mike
Charlie,
I can’t tell you about the D1 and the rPAC since I’ve never listened to them.
The HRT MS2+ and the DACport LX are roughly equal. What would be the better choice? I can’t tell you, it’s simply the case of two different sound signatures. I suggest you choose one and enjoy it.
Ivan Ivankavich
Could anyone please comment on how the Matrix M-Stage compares to the Schiit Asgard with HE-400? I’m a little torn because most of HeadFi is recommending the M-Stage but over here at Headfonia I think it was Mike who said the Asgard sounded more “refined”. I’m thinking about getting the M-Stage to power my HE-400s, and then add in the OPA627. I can’t decide between these two amps, they both seem excellent! I also have a pair of DT880-250s that I’d like to power with the amp. Also, will burn in help with the HE-400? They so far have about 30’ish hours, but the little booklet that came in the box is recommending 150. They seem to be just as harsh as my DT990s…my ears are very afraid of turning up the volume with these cans. Might end up trading these for HD650s if burn-in and a new amp doesn’t help this piercing treble…(I have the “translucent” and white drivers, not the defective sandy ones)
Mike
Ivan,
I haven’t tried them with the HE-400, but the M-Stage is much better in driving the older generation Hifiman HE-5, HE-5LE than the Asgard.
Julius
Don’t worry about Burn In. Just enjoy and let them break in with natural usage!
I’d take the Matrix over the Asgard, but both of them are a bit overkill for the HE400 and your DT880 will like the MStage more. Better low end on the M-Stage in my opinion. I’m sorry to hear your ears are not enjoying the HE400. Trust your instincts, your gut knows best.
Kendric
Hey Mike. Thanks for all the great articles for all the audio enthusiasts out here.
I would be curious to see how you review the Hisound Audio’s Studio-V 3rd Anniversary Edition, many people out there who were primarily piqued by the comparatively monstrous battery life (to C4 and the hifiman) would probably be interested too.
Regards,
Kendric =)
Mike
I know the local importer for Hisound. Will try to ask him but it won’t happen until next year. 🙂
Julius
Jack is a very good friend of mine. I planned to review the Nova Dap soon, but did not plan to hear the new V Revision.
Mike
Thanks Kendric. I’m still waiting for the local distributor to get their copy.
ryan
I have thought getting another headphone for home listening. Is my current graham slee srgII sufficient for either sennheiser hd700/800 or beyer t1?
Mike
For sure yes. Power wise, at least.
ryan
I have booked the T1, going to get by next week. How’s the synergy between the srgii and T1?
Mike
Yes it should be sufficient
Carl
I’ll try to keep this as short as possible!
Firstly, what a great site this is! I’ve been coming here to read and just generally enjoy myself for ages; the site is wonderful aesthetically and the photos are the cherry on the cake, and I am in awe of just how much you guys put into this place, especially with how much time you all spend answering questions. You really have something special going here.
Now that I need purchasing advice I feel okay about using up a little of your time! My father had an AKG 240MkII and a Fiio E7 and listens to a lot of late 50’s & 60’s rock/pop and various genre’s thru the 70’s. He was happy with those but the AKG’s died and I want to replace both(240’s + E7). Funds are pretty limited so what is the minimum you would recommend that would give me a noticable step-up in quality?
So much to choose from – he listens for hours on end(comfort important)and I suppose he is easy to please so I’m trusting your judgment on what constitutes the next step up from what he had.
Been thinking of stuff like Beyer DT770LE, AKG550, Sony MDR-1R, Philips Fidelio L1/X1 …. Out of those perhaps, or something else? Been reading some nice things about the Sony’s and they are apparently VERY comfortable?
And then a portable amp that would suit the ‘phone.
If you could maybe give me two recommendations – two ‘phones, each with a well-matched amp, I’d be very grateful!
Apologies for long post, and again, this place is the bee’s knee’s!
Be well.
Mike
Carl,
Thank you for the very kind words. Without visitors like you asking questions I don’t think we’ll be the site that we are now.
I got the impression that your father is absolutely in love with the K240, and I’m a bit hesitant to recommend another headphone since there may be aspects of it that he doesn’t like. He seems like the kind of guy who just want to enjoy the music without having to go through several pairs of headphones, and if the K240 has been his companion, then it would be my first recommendation above anything else.
If you want something different, what I would recommend for now are:
DT770 LE
MDR-1R
Senn Momentum
The K550 and the Fidelio, while also very nice, are quite different than the K240. I think your father enjoys the smooth and laid back sound of the K240, and the Sony 1R and the Momentum are a nice upgrade for that type of sound.
Amplifier, try the Fiio E17 it’s quite a step up from the E07, and with the tone controls he can adjust bass/treble to his liking.
Carl
Mike,
Thanks so much for the prompt reply, and for your thoughful answer, I really appreciate it. You make a good point that never even occurred to me – that yes, he did love those ‘phones and that perhaps I should get another pair of them. I think(but this is my personal perception of what I would like!)that he might like to begin a new journey with his music listening to different(‘better’?)’phones. But that’s my inclination. I think I will ask him what HE thinks!
This is what strikes me about Headfonia – you have set up an environment in which you go the extra mile, in all departments. The insight you have shown to my question is great and your extra suggestions give me just the information I need.
I wish I’d have asked earlier as I’ve been agonising about this for weeks!
Next I’m going to be choosing a ‘phone + amp for myself so I hope to involve myself a little more as time passes.
Thanks again Mike.
Be well.
Mike
Thanks Carl, glad to be able to help you out even if just a little.
Grandorn
Hey everyone,
As everyone has stated before, first off thanks for the fantastic reviews. You guys have really helped me ease in to the audiophile world, and quality reviews are what keep me excited 🙂
Anyway, I recently purchased the Brainwavz B2’s for myself (pretty much same as the fischer Dba-02’s for those of you that don’t know), and I was wondering what a good sub $200 amp would be for it (doesn’t have to be portable, but it would be preferred . I have an e11, which I bought for my hifiman re262s, and I thought it was a great match, but for my B2s the e11 just doesn’t seem to match as well as it did with my hifimans. So, what would be a good amp to compliment the bright aggressive nature of the b2s?
Also, I was reading up about the sibilance these IEMs have present, which is painful on some tracks, and ended up ordering some ety triple flanges. Hopefully that will help, but are there any tips you prefer for brighter IEMs? Thanks everyone, and thanks for the amazing site 😀
Oh, and my source is an ipod touch 4th gen with FiiO l3 LOD for potable, and a FiiO e10 as my DAC on my computer (usually paired with an amp).
Thanks again.
Julius
My favorite IEM portable amp is the RSA SR71A. I got mine used for under $200 so if you can do the same, I say its worth a shot in at least trying to find one used. If you can’t locate one, I say hang out for a while and lets see how the new Fiio portable amp sounds.
Mike
What tips would work for brighter IEMS… I really don’t have a solution to this one. Have yet to come across some tips that works for reducing treble.
As for amping, the SR71A Julius mentioned is a great amp with a dark sound signature. You can also try the Matrix Mini Portable (http://www.headfonia.com/tag/matrix/) which I believe now is the darkest sounding portable amp around.
Chris Allen
Any word for a review on the new Schiit Magni and Modi?
Julius
still waiting on my Modi to arrive, ive been playing with the magni for a while
Chris Allen
Thanks, can’t wait!
Davidson Sacluti
Hello there,
I currently have the Audinst AMP-HP as my main portable amp and i’m wondering if the JDS Labs C421 would be a good upgrade?
I only have a UE TF10 and an HD650 being used at the moment.
More power through the next year ! 🙂
Mike
I think the C421 is a smoother amp and would be a better pairing for the TF10 and the HD650.
Uwe Schubert
Hi, my ATH ES10 needs a rewire (damaged cable/jack). I tought to take this occasion to chose a new cord with inline remote and mic (for iPhone use). Do you have any experience with rewiring headphones with remote/mic functionality? Is it possible to use existing custom IEM cords? Thank you for you help!
Mike
Hi Uwe,
I have never done it, but I don’t think it would be any different than rewiring a standard headphone. The microphone is already built in on the cable, and you just need to reattach the headphone cables to the headphone drivers.
Uwe Schubert
thank you for your help.
Robert_T
Hello Mike and company, really great resource you guys put up here, coupled with very informative reviews. Just wanna ask you guys for recommendations as a lot of new headphones are coming out and about, and it’s now really hard for me to decide for the right one, especially since it’s really hard for me to audition headphones here in my area.
I want to go for something sub 250$; looking for an all-rounder headphone. I’m currently looking at MDR-1R, MDR-MA900, HD598, HD600(used), AKGK167, BeyerDynamic DT770 LE, Fidelio L1/X1, V-Moda M80, I’m expecting you haven’t auditioned all of these cans, however, from those that you already auditioned or have; in your opinion, what would be the best cans for most genres from a price/performance standpoint. I listen to a lot genres, though my current preferences are rock, jazz, vocals, and EDM.
Thanks and have a nice day 😀
Julius
I’d suggest the HD598 or the Momemtum. Both seemed exceptionally well rounded. Out of that list, the only one I have not heard was the Sony 1R, so I can’t really comment on that.
Robert_T
I’ll keep those suggestions in mind. Thanks.
I have a slight preference for closed phones though. How do you think the Beyerdynamic AE, Fidelio X1, and K550 stacks up with respect to rock, jazz, vocals, and EDM in comparison with the HD598 or Momentums.
Julius
The K550 would be dead last on the list for well rounded sets I would recommend. I also dislike the Beyerdynamic house sound. I prefer a warmer and smoother tonality so I stick by my Momemtum recommendation even more know seeing as you are leaning towards closed back. You can’t go wrong with the HD598 or the X1. The Sennheiser is leaner on the low end, wider sound stage. The X1 is heavier on the low end and more deep sounding. Both are very good for slow paced vocals and I tend to gravitate for the X1 for Jazz. Best of luck Robert, let us know what you end up going with!
Robert_T
Sure thing,
Now, only problem with the Momentum is that I can’t find any deal of it for 250$, which narrows down my choices. As of now, it’s Fidelio X1, HD 598, Beyerdynamic 770 AE, Sony MDR-1R, or MA900. Honestly think my decision would be highly dependent on the deals that will come about in the next couple of days haha :D.
Regardless, Thanks again for the help bro!
Anyhoo, any other insights by other people on these cans for the above genres?
Julius
I thought I saw some used and refurbished Momentums on Amazon within your budget. DAHMARK has them, but I avoid them like the plague.
Robert_T
I could go with used and refurbished; however, the only ones below $250 are from dahmart. Too hesitant to order from them based on reviews.
Trent_D
I ordered my HD650 for DAKMART which is DAHMARKs own website. I ordered over the phone so I could use paypal (in-case of trouble), but my order had no hassles.
Julius
They have the worst reputation ever.
Trent_D
Maybe I got lucky. They are on Sennheisers list of authorized retailers.
Julius
Dakmart changed their amazon name to DAHMART due to the overwhelming negative feedback. Dakmart is on the list, Dahmart is not. Look up the reviews on google for a good laugh. They’ve had an F rating with the BBB for years.
Trent_D
I have seen some of the review. I took a risk and it would seem I got lucky.
Ken Stuart
I purchased my Senn RS180s refurb from them – everything was in perfect condition, and has always worked perfectly, and includes a warranty from Senn.
My overall experience is that some retailers have worse customer service IF you have some sort of problem, but if you don’t have a problem that requires customer service, then you won’t encounter the sort of situation that causes the bad reviews.
In the case of Dakmart, it is possible that they have cleaned up their act recently, as most of the horror stories are from some years ago.
Gorboman
In addition to what @disqus_SyAs0hkjvj:disqus have said, the 1R is an allrounder, but I found it to suit mainstream music more. The MA900 is also an allrounder, but it’s an open back. I don’t think both are picky with audio setup.
Robert_T
Thanks for the insights.
Ted Tillholm
Mike & Co.
Any insights on headphone recableing? Or what’s your take on boutique cables?
Valentin
This is my own personal view, others may feel different…
Cables to me are primarily about comfort/customization. Not about sound.
I like thin/flexible cables with just the right length and the right termination. There is some difference in sound. However, I won’t say improvement. Thin/thick, silver/copper etc. can work like low-pass/high-pass filters. Like a very light EQ.
So in short. Boutique cables can be prettier. They can be more ergonomic (sometimes less ergonomic… i had a cable that weighed about 600 gram… not fun). They can change the sound very-very lightly.
A 100€ cable can sometimes be worthit, through the added ergonomics/design. A 800€ cable… Never. I would buy so many other more important items before I would even consider such a thing… And then, even if I had all headphones and amps in the world (that I’d like to own), I’d probably invest it in a ski trip to the Alps.
/V
Julius
For the most part, I agree with Valentin. However, there are some headphones that benefit from recabling a great deal. I recabled my JVC DX1000 and struggled to find the proper cable type to not alter the sound, i wanted a shorter and thinner cable but one that did not alter sound quality at all. I went through multiple cables and some of them made the headphone sound immensely bright and painful in the upper region, others muffled, and one significantly decreased bass output. Why? Silver and Copper Cabling have different molecular properties and end up not working well with certain types of electronics.
Cyro treatment generally proved this theory that Cables and interconnects that are seemingly astronomically priced as absolutely needless. Placing the Cable or even Tubes inside a chamber that dips down to under negative 100 degree F usually alters the cables molecules for the better. Making electricity transfer more efficient, more smooth and usually helping smooth out the upper regions. There is no question my $5 Monoprice RCA cable sounds inferior to my $65 Epiphancy Acoustics Atratus. But, I never heard a difference between the Atratus and the $200+ cables of the same length. It is only with long cable lengths that cables end up sounding different in that price range, the longer is it, the more shielding is needed and the more likely signal interruption will take place somewhere. There is no special warehouse or factory that produces special copper or silver cables. Almost every custom cable maker gets their products pre made by a factory somewhere and then adds their own shielding, logos and cables. The metals used in the fibers themselves are not any different in a cheap cable to an immensely special one. Its price mark up and demand. Some machinists and factories will produce higher purity cable fibers than others. They cost a few bucks extra to the factory to produce, a few hundred for you to buy.
Spencer Chan
Ok guys, I know we all face this problem: to many amps, not enough sources.
My current setup revolves around a single DAC with multiple amps and I am running into the first world problem of getting annoyed at having to un-plug and re-plug the RCA cables when switching to another amp. Most of the AV switches I see online are for multiple sources going into one output: I need the REVERSE, single output to multiple sources.
I could always use ratshack style passive RCA splitters, but I am concerned about signal quality degradation.
Anyone have any suggestions on a switch to accomplish this mundane task? Or perhaps point me in the direction of an EXCELLENT splitter?
L.
I mostly use RCA splitters if I have to use 1 dac. Or I use a preamp, that way I can use multiple amps at the same time. I’d go for RCA splitters or a switchbox. Decware has a nice one
Isaiah Mackler
I’m loving the DT770 AE. No doubt about it. Still, the Momentum has been flirting with me. I can’t imagine it replacing the DT770AE though. All that to say, what is your portable, over-ear/on-ear rig, that as of right now, you wouldn’t part with? (Include source, amp and of course headphones!)
L.
CLAS + C421 + iPod + AE for me
Isaiah Mackler
I bought a black C421 just because of how good the picture looked on FB of your set up. Well, not just because.. But it didn’t hurt!
L.
I hope you’re happy with the sound?
Isaiah Mackler
Its a stellar combo. The mids are ridiculously good w/ OPA2227 and DT770. I’ve been doing some ABing w/ my HD600 and Neco Soundlab V.3 and had a tough time deciding which I liked best. And I love the HD600.
Mike
WOW that sounds very good. Happy to hear that, Isaiah!
Yes for the record me and L are heavy HD600/650 fans as well.
Julius
I need a new closed back over the ear set. My DX1K finally died. RIP.
I am torn between the Momentum and the Beyer AE. I’ve gotten a chance to hear both, but not through my own gear and with my own music. I guess I am looking for some reassurance. I am not sure which one was capable of the larger sound staging. That’s my main focus at the moment, second to that would be the deepest bass. I am leaning towards the Beyer due to the price. What do you guys think? Something to seriously complement my HE500, something warm on the low end and very spacious with plenty of bass. Any suggestions or advice is greatly appreciated 🙂
Trent_D
I am taking it you have tried the LCD-2?
Julius
Yep. Hated it.
George Lai
How is it that it is taking so long for someone to make a lightning-to-3.5mm cable? I have the lightning/30-pin adapter but when I add the 30-pin line out to it, it’s too bulky. Is there a technical reason why no one has made one?
Mike
It shouldn’t be that hard. I don’t know why there isn’t one in the market.
Valentin
Probably sorting out licensing fees with Apple…
Ken Stuart
Wouldn’t this be a good time for the HE-400 Revision 2 With Velours review ?
Mike
Yes. It’s Lieven’s article.
L.
very soon I hope, it’s ready. Ask mike to publish it :p
Julius
DId you work out the confusion about your version with Peter at Hifiman?
Nick Tam
any chance of a heir audio IEM review soon?
Mike
Sorry Nick, nope.
Nick Tam
I’ve been holding onto my UM3Xs for quite some time now and have been looking for a change of sound other than the UE900… and there’s all that rave between the ASG-1 and the Heir Audio so it’s quite interesting for something that’s affordable.
Gerald D. Jerarudo
Hi! can i ask you about Vinyl player.So i want to start to listening to vinyl.but im confuse on what to buy for vinyl player.Thanks
Jonathan Yen
Asked this in the HE-500 page but i’ll post it here just in case.
Would the Hifiman Ef-5 be a good pairing with the HE-500?
Julius
No. I had the combo and I absolutely hated it. That is just my opinion, but I found the Schiit Magni a better value than the EF-5. The Apex Butte ( if you can find one ) is a GREAT amplifier for the He-500. I did a review on it a while back on Head Fi and I just hated it. The EF-6 on the other hand…lol, one of the best amplifiers ever made IMO.
Trent_D
Sad because a few weeks ago, TTVJ had the Butte on sale, now, it isn’t listed on the site at all.
Jonathan Yen
Thanks for the response..probably dodged a bullet on this one as I was pretty close to picking up the HE-500. It’s a good pair according to head-direct but according to many people on head fi it’s not that great of a combination.
Kevin Lee Marvin Gunawan
hi i know this is for headphones but have you guys heard of soundmatters foxl v2. i am still wondering to get it or no. i have seen quite a nice review on the web. i appreciate for what ever input you guys can give me. Thank you.
dalethorn
Got it. Advertised as good for bass, but I don’t hear hardly any bass. For an extra $150 USD you can attach the small FoxLO subwoofer.
lucky
Hi mike and other headfonia reviewer,
May I know your reference songs or cd’s that you use to review an item?
I love live recordings but unfortunately I’m lacking of good live recording songs and cd’s
Can you guys give me some recommended live recording albums pls..
thanks
dalethorn
Check out Blue Coast records.
Nkcell
What are qualities that make an amp good for sound
effects/movies/gaming? I feel this might be a hard question to answer, since I’ve asked at head-fi and hydrogen audio forums, and no one answered either time.
I am looking to purchase an amp to go along with my Beyerdynamic DT990 Premium headphones in combination with my a Soundblaster Xi-Fi Titanium as a DAC. I use this set up for gaming/movies, and do not listen to music on it at all.
I’ve read a lot about concepts like soundstage, depth, warmth vs. neutrality, tube coloration of sound, and I believe I understand them well in relation to music, but I’m just not sure how to apply them when it comes to sound effects. Do I want more warmth/coloration so that my sound effects feel “fuller”, and thus should I be looking at amps like the m-stage and asgard? Or is warmth actually be a bad thing, since it could potentially mask some of the details, and I wouldn’t be able to pick out things like footsteps in FPS games? If that’s the case should I be looking for really neutral amps like
the O2. Do I want some compromise in-between? Does sound stage and depth affect movies/gaming as much as it does music, or is I just not that big of a deal? Is puncher impactful bass a good thing because things like gunfire and explosions will have more oomph? Or will it end up distorting the source sound, causing all effects to sound like similar deep thuds with no real distinction regardless of whether they are gunfire or a sword swinging?
Right now I’m considering the Asgard vs. M-stage vs. O2. I’ve pretty much read every review, post, and discussion comment on the comparisons between the three. I think I have a good handle on the differences between the soundstage, depth, bass, warmth, etc… on these amps. However
without knowing how those acoustic terms actually relate to movies/gaming/sound effects, I can’t really make a decision. Hopefully Mike or some other readers can shed some light for me.
Mike
I would put an emphasis on powerful yet well controlled bass
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Nkcell
Thanks for the quick response. In your opinion which of the three amps I listed most fits into “powerful but well controlled bass”? Or is there a different amp you would suggest in the 300 dollar range?
Also if you have any comments on the questions about how the different audio terms apply to sound effects, I’d be very interested to hear what you have to say.
I see your on a mobile, so I understand I might have to wait to get a longer response.
Thanks!
Mike
I think for that budget you can try the ALO National.
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Nkcell
Any alternate suggestions if I preferred a full size desktop amp that could stay plugged in? (One of the reasons I’m upgrading is that I’m tired of having to switch batteries on the portable amp I use now).
Thanks again
Mike
Try the Matrix M-Stage
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Yongky
hi mike, im previously using hd25 and i like rock for main genre, but just rock and not a metal, the truth is i really like how hd25 sounding but the clamps are really kills me and ive sold it a month ago :’
my question is, i want a full sized headphone that still suitable for rock and has the same enjoyable sound like hd25, is hd600 is the right option for me?it still has the PRaT that im looking for?considering that ive just listen to rock like matchbox 20, lifehouse, bryan adams, the killers, etc (not listening to metal like megadeth or some kind like that)
are hd600 still has a speed and PRaT to my music?and if yes, what amp that u suggest to increase midrange, bass impact, and punch for hd600?thx.
Trent_D
Maybe the Superlux HD660?
Yongky
superlux hd660 will be downgrading from hd25 😀
thx anyway…im changing into ps500 now 😀
bapak
What Trent said.
John123John
Hey Headfonia,
What are you opinions on vinyl?
Mike
I think it’s super awesome.
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John123John
oh really.. i figure since you like analog sound or used to. I was thinking about getting into vinyl for kicks and giggles and just wanted to know what you thought about it. Do you have a turntable, preamp, vinyl collection?
Mike
Yes though nothing fancy..
I love hunting for vinyl records
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Ken Stuart
Be aware that it is a LOT more work than playing a FLAC or MP3 file. You need to clean vinyl (and the stylus), and there is, of course, a level of research in which turntable, stylus, record cleaner, to get.
And, of course, a perfectly good looking vinyl record can have a lot of surface noise, in which case, you need to look for a better copy.
And there is research about which pressing is best, etc.
SO, only get involved if you are prepared to spend some time on a new hobby.
Mike
Thanks Ken.
If I can add, due to the noise and pops, vinyl and headphones don’t go very well together.
Ege Özcan
Does anyone know a place we can test some DACs and headphones in Stuttgart area (Germany)? I’m new to everything Hi-Fi and I currently just own dt990 pro headphones and a FiiO E10. I’m looking for some variety when buying gear and I really don’t know which way to go (save for an expensive headphones/dac pair or buy a bunch of budget headphones to use with e10…) so maybe it would really help if I get a chance to listen to the headphones before I buy them. What do you think?
Mike
Replied on the other thread
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L.
Hi Ege,
As mike says those are 2 good German Dac and Amp makers.
Unfortunately their websites don’t list any dealers (violectric.de &
reinaudio.com) as they sell the units themselves online. For the moment
my best suggestions would be to contact them via the site to check
where you could listen to their units.
There also is Meier Audio (meier-audio.homepage.t-online.de/)
I don’t know your budget but these are on the higher end of mid-fi pricing.
There are a couple of shops in Berlin, but I guess a 6hour drive is a bit far?
Ege Özcan
I occasionally go to Berlin. I think I can spare around a thousand euros for my audio needs as the second step after getting the beyerdynamics and the fiio. I sometimes think about just betting on a pair of headphones after reading a bunch of reviews but for any product there have always been some reviews which broke my ambition. So, I thought, maybe I just need to listen to them before buying.
Your suggestions are noted and highly appreciated even though they seem to be a bit too expensive for my untrained ears =)
Mike
If you can spare the budget, higher up equipments are good because eventually your ears will get more sensitive and will pick up the flaws of entry level unit.
Ege Özcan
So, what you are saying is, it would make sense to directly go for the high end instead of losing time & money with the low/mid range equipment? What do you think about Rein Audio X3 DAC + Violectric V200 Amplifier + HiFiMAN HE-400 Headphones combination? I think I can afford these… Or, should I just save for getting an Audeze LCD2? I mostly listen to electronic and classical music.
L.
Give me 2 weeks and I’ll tell you how that combo sounds. If you really wanna go hifi you should replace the HE400 with a HE500 or HE6 😉 I’m really not liking the LCD2 for the moment but they do play those genres pretty nice. I would recommend you to listen to all these units before spending that amount of € however.
Ege Özcan
Well, for such a favor, I could even wait months =) I really want to listen to these but I’m an expat in Stuttgart and don’t know where to look. I googled and also asked locals to no avail. As Rein Audio and Violectric are German companies, I thought it would be easier to contact them if anything was wrong and after reading just too many reviews, I decided to go for those I mentioned in my last comment. By the way, does purchasing 500s worth it? I mean, they are nearly double the price of 400s =) If I get them, maybe I’d need to go for the V100 to compensate for the extra bucks needed =) Would that make sense? Sorry for asking too many questions. I’m looking forward to the times when I can also contribute =)
L.
Have you found an X3 dac review then? Please do share if you did. The Price of the X3 dac went up to 1.380€ today as a matter of fact.
HE400 and HE500 are completely different headphones, check our reviews.Maybe you could decrease your Dac budget?
Oh and it’s nice to support “local” products 🙂
Mike
Yes, if you have the budget.
The HE-400 is good but the LCD-2 is better. Your choice which one to go for.
The Rein and the Vio, Lieven did the review for them so he should be the one to comment.
L.
I did comment. And in the review I said the V200 + Rein was the best I have heard the LCD2 to sound. The HE400 doesn’t need the V200 to shine ad I’m sure that even with the V100 it would make a great combo
Ege Özcan
That’s the advice I needed! Thanks =)
Maksim Prosuzhikh
Hi! I’m seeking comfortable closed cans for office use with decent isolation AND worthy technicalities. To tell the truth I don’t really like closed headphones, but don’t have any choise in this situation. My current short-list consist of Amperior, Momentum and DT 770LE (latest still can be found). The main problem — I can’t listen to them preliminary and compare, and sadly can’t afford to buy them all 🙂 The second problem — I like to listen to really wide range of genres (classic, progressive rock, symphonic/operatic metal, medieval, folk, neoclassic, industrial/ebm, the list can go on and go on), so all-around, safe headphone (without loosing in fun and PRAT if it really possible) is preferable.
What will be the prime recommendation? I want something close enough to my favorites HD 650 and PX-100 II in sound, but considering all, it’s not vital. At this moment I’m ready to try something new.
A little mess in all this wishes, I understand -_- Thanks for any advice!
ps: The source is computer through O2/ODAC and maybe Cowon J3 (maybe through ZO2 :).
pps: Currently, after many hours of reading the forums, I’m considering to buy DT 990 600Ohm as ultimate solution for immersive AND competitive gaming with virtual surround (since HD 650 in this realm is not really shine enough for me). Can someone comment how DT 770LE compare to DT 990 for this purpose?
dalethorn
Being used to HD650 and PX100ii you likely would hate the treble peak in the DT770’s. The Amperior is not good for comfort, so the Momentum wins I think, and on sound, looks, comfort, everything.
Mike
Dale has a point with the Beyer though both me and L are both HD650 fans (and I love the PX100-II too) so it may not be a guaranteed thing.
The Momentum’s sound is a bit relaxed and I don’t think suits Rock that well though you can still play them just fine.
The UE9000/UE6000 doesn’t have a mindblowing technicalities (though can be comparable to the Momentum) but I think it’s worth checking out as well. Review coming on that one.
Maksim Prosuzhikh
Thanks, dalethorn and Mike. And yes, exactly because the lovers of HD 650 (you, Mike, and L) so highly appreciated the sound of DT 770LE they ended in my list. The fact that it is already discontinued limited edition (so when it’s gone, it’s gone) it is so much more tempting to give them a try.
So it is now Momentum VS DT 770LE. And UE6000 looks very attractive and promising, especially considering the price. I need to think and it seems think fast, doesn’t look like 770LE will lie around too long.
Mike
The Momentum is nice for a walk-around portable. The DT770LE I think is overall a more serious headphone.
The UE6000 is a mainstream oriented headphone. While it’s great, I don’t think it has the technicalities of the DT770.
dalethorn
Compared to the bland UE6000 and the sweet but boring Momentum, the DT770LE has serious energy. It will add years to your life.
Mike
Lol, thanks Dale. I find the UE9000 very enjoyable
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Irwan Jayalaras
hi..could you explain what treble peak is there on dt770?i’m currently using px100ii and considering a dt770 just like maksim
dalethorn
If your PX100ii had a strong treble, I would not mention the treble of the DT770-32. But since the PX100ii has a recessed treble and the DT770 has an emphasized treble, you would undoubtedly be shocked at the difference, and I don’t see how you could like both, since they are as different as night and day.
Irwan Jayalaras
hmm..ok..i always think px100ii is very emphasized on bass although it’s pretty good for EDM and bass heavy music..i had a chance to try DT770-80, maybe it has a different signature than DT770-32 because DT770-80 seems to have similar bass quantity as px100ii but with more prominent vocal,esp. female vocals..i quite like it though..perhaps i need another audition 🙂
dalethorn
Oh, good you mentioned that. If you like the DT770-80 sound, then the DT770-32 should be even better.
L.
The DT770 AE only has emphasized treble comparing it to other brands. Compared to a DT990/600 in example treble isn’t emphasized imo.
ryan
Is there going to be a review on the Teac UD-H01?
dr777
Hi Mike, I’ve narrowed it down to ad900 and hd598. Which would be better for classical and acoustic with a little jazz and lite rock thrown in the mix on my laptop. If you could suggest a amp/dac combo or seperates, desktop or portable to pair up with your recommendation it would be appreciated. Budget is $ 250 us (amp/dac ). Thank You PS. If there is another headphone other than the ath/senn in their price range that is better suited, please feel free to suggest that option.
Trent_D
Do I smell another recommendation for the Beyer DT770 AE coming on?
Mike
I think the AD900 and the HD598 are booth good. I’m leaning towards the Senn because its soundstage performance is much better though the AD900 is more airy.
Another open-back you should look into is the Sony MA900. I think better than both ATH and Senn.
Try the Matrix Mini Portable for the Amp/DAC. Or the Topping D20 DAC is a great value but you need to add an amp.
http://www.headfonia.com/the-320-portable-dacamp-matrix-mini-portable/
http://www.headfonia.com/topping-d1-mark-ii/
frostbite47
Any chance of a review of the HRT microstreamer? I know you’re big fans of HRT products in general and would love your take on it if you can get your hands on one!
Mike
I am a big fan of HRT products but it’s been very tough to get samples from them, for some reason.
Andy Chen
Are you planning on reviewing the new WA7 from Woo Audio?
Mike
I want to, but I am not sure if they’re sending me one.
Andy Chen
Are you planning to review the WA7 DAC/Amp from Woo Audio?
L.
I haven’t listened to it yet but if it sounds like it looks we’re in for some trouble 🙂
L.
You’re talking about the X Dac, not the brand new X3 dac. We reviewed the X dac before as you pointed out. I only received the X3 reference dac yesterday, review to come in a month or so I guess.
There really are good dacs on the market around the 300 USD price point as well, don’t forget all the dacs Mike has recommended in the Q&A section. Me myself prefer using an Audio GD dac (it’s a warmer sound, with the V200 and any other amp)
Ege Özcan
Yes, that is exactly what I realized. I just got confused. I had also read your review but made a quick google search after you asked because I hadn’t kept the history. Sorry =) So do you think x-dac would suit the above setup?
L.
XDAC + Vio is good, i explained that in the Xdac review. Very detailed and neutral sound
Ege Özcan
This is good to know. Now I think I’ll just look for a place where I can give xdac+vio+he500 combination a try or maybe I can just go for it – don’t know really. I took a lot of your time; thank you for all the recommendations =) I really appreciate it.
L.
You’re welcome. If you can, do try the HE-400 as well!
balachandar
Hi, I would recommend Madooma (madooma.de) – they seem to be only Headphone audio specialists in Germany (that I know of). They are based in Dortmund, not exactly close but worth a try. I have dealt with them and would definitely recommend them.
On the idea of going for high-end gear directly, well sure it wouldn’t hurt! But, I think it definitely isn’t going to help you appreciate it more. It takes time to develop the taste and ear for good audio, the journey towards it is half the thrill
;-). Ofcourse, the above is strictly a personal opinion or a smart recourse to save one’s wallet ;-).
Btw, I have a Hifiman HE500 for sale on HeadFi – if you are looking http://www.head-fi.org/t/646306/fs-hifiman-he500-mint-condition-eu
L.
Thanks Bala!
Ege Özcan
I also realized that V200 has an optional USB DAC component. Maybe with that, I could just skip the extra DAC?
L.
You could but we do not have any experience with the internal Violectric Dac. sorry
George Lai
Hi Mike, when I click on Headphones on your website it doesn’t show recent headphones eg Philips X1 which I bought last week. Just to let you or your webmaster know.
Mike
Alright thanks! Will check on it
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George Lai
Hi Mike/Lieven, I’m looking to add an iPhone-capable over-the-ear headphone to my collection. I don’t like my on-ear Klipsch Image Ones nor Senn PX100i for reasons of comfort . It must be circumaural around the ear. Now here’s the dilemma. I can’t use a headphone amplifier as then I won’t be able to answer or make calls. So, of the ones I’m considering (Philips L1, UE 6000, v Moda LP, Senn Momentum for example) which ones are the loudest? In other words, which technical specification should I be looking for? Decent quality is fine because if I don’t wish to answer calls, I have my D2000, HD600 etc to use but when I am expecting a phone call I don’t want one where even at maximum volume I’m not enjoying my music. I think the ones I’m considering are decent sounding but which are LOUD un-amped? Thanks.
Mike
The UE9000 can be go really loud as it has an internal amp and can even be used wireless
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BillsonChang
Hi! Here by to ask you a few question. Before that, here’s my propriety: I’m looking for a pair of headphone that is under $500 but I would love to spend less if possible. Looking for amp/dac combo under $200. Had my eye set on FiiO or iBasso. Depends. As for headphone, out of that $500 I am looking for either open or closed headphone. Don’t really like too much bass punch(HD518 has too much of those to me FYI). Mids are my favorite. Soundstage & details are pretty important too. Most importantly of all, clarity. I am looking for headphone with minimum sibillance/hisses/grains. I tried K550 & I love how it sound. Styling does not matters to me. My question are 1) K550 vs DT880 250 Ohm? 2) If K550 wins the first question, are there headphone under $500 that sound much more better than it? 3) If one headphone are not enough to cover all my needs, I can afford 2nd pair as long as it is under $500 for both of it. Thanks 🙂
Mike
Without going to lengthy, it seems that the K550 would be your best bet.
If you have spare budget get a high quality DAP and that should be enough. The K550 is pretty easy to drive and should benefit from a good source.
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BillsonChang
I tried pairing K550 with DX100 in a shop and don’t really like it. Too dependent on setting & too bulky. What amp/dac combo would you recommend me for K550 & XBA-4? Thanks 🙂
Mike
Something warm like the Hifiman HM60X series?
BillsonChang
Hi! I wish I could get those but I can’t find it anywhere at my place. Basically, I can only find FiiO, iBasso, Headamp, Ray Samuels Audio & DigiZoid. FiiOs are pretty hard to find thought. 🙂
Herman Sutikno
hey, can you give me a list of some headphone that good for jazz / classical or maybe balanced because i’m going to use it for gaming too with the range of price between IDR 600.000 ~ IDR 1.000.000 ?
does superlux HD669 good ?
dalethorn
Jazz, classical (neutral) and gaming (bassy) seems like a possible conflict. But the ATH M50 may bridge that requirement OK.
Mike
Or the M-50 like what dale suggested, but it’s around 1.3 mil here, a bit out of your budget.
Herman Sutikno
emm, i think i’ll get superlux . thanks anyway ! 😀
Mike
The Superlux is your best bet at that price range.
Sanad Saad
Hi guys!
Wanted your opinion on something. I have about 300 pounds to spend on a portable setup and I was thinking:
Audioquest Dragonfly = 215 pounds
AKG K451 = 60 pounds
Total: 275 pounds.
What dyou think? I have to travel a LOT so I cant take my Crack/O2DAC
and HD 650 everywhere with me so need to invest in a budget portable
setup to make the travelling less stressful!
Thanks.
dalethorn
Looks good. The Dragonfly will be a good long-term investment, and if you decide to replace the headphone at some future time, the Dragonfly will provide the best sound for the new headphone too.
Guest
Wanted your opinion on something. I have about 300 pounds to spend on a portable setup and I was thinking:
Audioquest Dragonfly = 215 pounds
AKG K451 = 60 pounds
Total: 275 pounds.
What dyou think? I have to travel a LOT so I cant take my Crack/O2DAC
and HD 650 everywhere with me so need to invest in a budget portable
setup to make the travelling less stressful!
dalethorn
Duplicate.
GraveDancer
Big Fan of the WA2 (OTL) I have just recently received. Would like to add a “pre-amp” to this. Do you think the Crack (another OTL) would work? I already have the Woo DAC and that is solid.
What would you think?
L.
I wouldn’t use the crack as a pre amp. It’s not made for it and would require modding. I normally use the WA2 as a pre amp for the crack and others if I want to pre amp. A nice pre amp is the Decware csp2+ I think
GraveDancer
L. Thank you kindly. I will look into that. I can only imagine how wonderful this will sound.
RK Prithwijit Singh
Could you please offer a review”Skullcandy S6HSDZ-072 Hesh headphones” and Compare them with the”Sennheiser HD-202 II”
and suggest which one is better
L.
I doubt this will ever happen, unless Mike secretly owns Skullcandy headphones
kongmw
Hi, I’m in the market for a DAC (again) and am looking to spend roughly $300 on it. Currently looking at the Matrix M-stage DAC since it stacks well cosmetically with my M-stage amp, but that’s about it. I’m thinking about using the M-stage amp for digital audio listening while keeping the Crack for vinyl only. But I guess I’m also open to pairing a DAC with the Crack and just get rid of the M-stage amp all together. Any input is appreciated. Thanks.
Ong Vincent
Have you try Final audio design? possible could do some review on their adagio 3, quite well accepted
Mike
I’ve tried a lot of the FADs as the local Jaben stocks a lot of them. Don’t really have a plan for a review though.
Jonathan Yen
Hello,
I’ve recently modded my EF-5 with a OPAMP i obtained from TAM Audio
http://tamaudio.com/store/index.php?route=product/product&path=39_46&product_id=91
While it does sound a lot better, the highs have become very harsh with both my HE-500 and DT990 600ohm. I read that you recommended the OP627 opamp with the EF-5 so i’m wondering if you had the same experience as me and if you have any recommendations to tame the harshness.
Regards,
Jonathan
Jonathan Yen
Also, is there a difference between the one i have and the one with the browndog adaptor (DIP) ?
rick
could you please porvide me a recomendation for a solid state amp… I am finding my choises a little overwhelming currently am considering asgard, or the meier audio corda rock… willing to spend $300 range prefer a simple set-up neutral sounding… no dac… ipods or cd’s as sources…listen to mostly, jazz, classical… and use akg q701, akg550, or for rock my very old grado sr80..
Mike
Hi rick,
I’ve never auditioned the Meier so I can’t say.. the Asgard is a good amp for the price.
Jake Nonweiler
Hello all!
I am looking into getting a DAC for my audio setup and had a few questions about what you might recommend. I’ve been reading a lot and am hoping to get some feedback from experience.
I currently have a pair of Audioengine 5’s, which are powered speakers and I run audio from my laptop. Is the best upgrade in sound going to be a DAC w/o an amp? Would I really notice a good improvement if the last part of my chain is a pair of powered speakers? I’m assuming that because the speakers are powered, I wouldn’t need a preamp, right? Any recommendations on a DAC that might suit me well? I have been looking at JDS, NuForce, and Cambridge Dacmagic.
Thanks!
L.
I’d suggest something like the cambridge or the Mav-audio D1
George Lai
I run my Audioengine A2 with their D1 DAC/amp. Match made in heaven.
Apogee
Can someone put these in order of bass impact
HD650
Philips X1
LCD2
HE400
HE500
HD700
DT770
I know this quite a mix of headphones and pricing, but it would be really helpful to know about bass impact and also bass quantity and soundstage of each headphone
dalethorn
The DT770 beats most of those dynamics, quantity and quality both. The orthos I don’t know.
Apogee
Can someone put these in order of bass impact
HD650
Philips X1
LCD2
HE400
HE500
HD700
DT770
I know this quite a mix of headphones and pricing, but it would be really helpful to know about bass impact and also bass quantity and soundstage of each headphone
Carl
Hi Mike(and other contributors…(
I wrote you recently regarding advice for my father. I went for the Sony MDR-1R and he loves them, and adores the comfort. He also feels they’re better than his previous AKG 240 MkII. However I decided against the E17 that you recommended for these reasons: Firstly battery power length I’d read was often around 8hrs upto 11 at a max. He lstens for many hours a day and would have been re-charging at least two out of three days, and if he forgets ….well!
Would prefer if possible a more certain 12-15hrs if not a touch more. Unrealistic?
Also, I thought a completely different sound to FiiO’s might be nice and finally an actual volume knob that one turns would be really nice. I’m also prepared to up the budget to potentially $300-$400 if the quality warrants it. Twin mini & full size h’phone sockets would be great but that’s just a whim I suppose!
So Mike(or others!), if you had an MDR-1R yourself(I realize you probably wouldn’t!)what amp would you go for to possibly fill out a few of the 1R’s flaws?
Secondly, ME and headphones. I just want a good pair, for a lot of alternative rock but also for quieter stuff and folk/soundtracks/avant-garde that are nice ‘phones, sound-wise and aesthetics. Prices seem terribly high often in the UK. As an example, £260 for Momentums just feels like a lot for what one is actually getting, never mind £170 for UE6000’s which I thought felt ultra-cheap and horribly, glossy plastic that seems designed to show off fingerprints! There is the DT770 LE I know(circa £160) that is a consideration but also, are the Denon AHD600’s a really good ‘phone, and worth the extra? I can get them for circa £280, and something about them really appeals.
Any thoughts?! I know they’re plastic but they still look quite ‘nice’. Even though the 7100 are out of my bracket, is the build quality of them easily superior to the 600? So –
Very good amp for Sony MDR-1R and,
Are the Denon AHD600 at £280 a really good ‘phone for the money? Or is the 770LE MUCH better value at £100 less? So difficult as I also look over at Senn HD650 and others!
Apologies all for long post, and any help is hugely appreciated.
dalethorn
The DT770LE is a steal for £160. Highly recommended. I could live with it forever if I had to. BTW, what is the E17 running off of? Computer USB or analog line input?
Carl
Many thanks for such a quick response. The E17 was for my father, not me(didn’t actually order E17). He’s currently got a 160G iPod Classic-to-E7-Sony MDR-1R. No computer as-of-yet, but soon. Playing predominatly lossless files. As I said, wanted to give him a much better amp to go with his new MDR-1R, and thought one with a nice analogue volume control would be nice for him after using buttons on the E7;
Me, all I have is a Nano 5G for on-the-go and a MacBook pro, with a pair of lowly AKG 450! Read a lot here about DT770LE so I know they’ll likely be a great buy, so what is it about the Denon AH0D600 that appeals @ £280? I don’t know. Hugely comfortable, removable cables, ‘interesting’ aesthetics? If the extra £100 simply isn’t worth it then that’s that I suppose. How is the comfort of the 770’s?
Even though I’m underwhelmed by the Momentums, I have to admit that the earpad softness is lovely!
Appreciate you thoughts dalethorn, and thanks for your time.
dalethorn
From an iPod, and preferably using the LOD, try the PA2V2 amp. You won’t believe that it’s about $70 USD, extremely well built, has an excellent volume knob, runs 100(!) hours on a charge, uses common AA-NiMH rechargeables, and sounds as good as the E17. The DT770LE I have is very, very comfortable. I have seen where people say they prefer the velour pads, but I find the standard pads perfect, and I have headphones with velour pads. In this case, I see no need for velour, which changes the sound. But you can buy extra velour pads if you like. I don’t have any Denons, but they shocked the headphone world with their latest headphones, especially the sound of those, so I’d recommend reading reviews from several different angles and sites if interested in a Denon (one of the newer models).
Carl
Thanks very much for your thoughts and suggestions, I really do appreciate it. I’ll look into the amp and perhaps wait for a few other thoughts on the relative merits of the Denon 600 before I maybe go for the 770LE.
Be well.
gavincross
I love dance/grooving music, but I’ve heard that the TMA-1 is tuned essentially only for club music, and I like other genres as well. Is the DT770 LE sufficiently fast/punchy enough in its bass to perform well for dance music without getting out of control boomy? If not, what alternatives do I have? I need a closed, circumaural headphone.
dalethorn
I think it is, if ran from something like a AQ Dragonfly, which does wonders for the bass.
Trent_D
So, ALO has just released a balanced DAC/AMP called the International, and dropped the price of the pan am to $499. Sounds like it was a busy day at ALO. I am looking forward to hearing how this new unit of theirs sounds.
Mike
Yep if only local post can get packages through customs faster…
Maarten
Hi Mike (and Lieven),
Since I know you are a fan of the Tera Player and even ordered 6 of them I was wondering which in ears monitors you would recommend to bring the best out of the TP? There is so much choice. Where to start? I’ve read your review on the JHs customs and on the Aurisonics. Both are on my short list.
The wide range of music I like to listen to is not really a differentiator.
Thanks for any hints.
Maarten
(hope this is not a duplicate post)
Maarten
Not sure how to get your attention, but could you please have look at my questions?
Mike
Sorry for the late reply.
Right now I have one very strong recommendation and that is the FitEar 334ToGo. Very expensive at some $1,400 and the store I own happens to be the Indonesian distributor for FitEars (read the disclaimer here: http://www.headfonia.com/open-disclaimer-analog-head-store/) so I really think that given the conflict of interest you should check out other reviews as well. I don’t plan to do a review on the 334 due to that conflict of interest but if you ask me a question on what the best IEM is today I would have to say the 334.
(The FitEar 335 is even better but that’s a really expensive custom IEM where the 334ToGo is a universal so you can resell it if you don’t like it.)
Maarten
Thanks Mike. The thing is I am in the Netherlands and although I would love to buy one it is quite difficult to get it here. Maybe we should discuss that of line of course.
And how about the JH customs or the Aurisonics? How does it pair with a DT770 LE?
Mike
How does the JH/Auri pair with the 770 LE?
Maarten
Sorry, I wasn’t clear. How do these (C)IEMs and the 770 LE pair with the Tera Player? If you tried them of course.
Mike
I love the ASG1, 334Togo, and 770LE pairing with the Tera player.
Maarten
Thanks, Mike. That narrows it down 😉 I’ve got the 770LE on its way. Now make a choice for an IEM.
L.
Do check out Cosmicears. Haven’t tried them yet but will order one soon. And they’re close to Holland too!
Maarten
Hi Lieven, Which ones? Welke? Do you also have a store in Belgium? So I could order the 334ToGo? 😉
L.
They’re releasing a new lineup soon. Check out the newspage/newsletter. You can choose between hybrids or BA ciems at very good prices.
I don’t have a store (yet 😉 )
Maarten
Thanks, Lieven. It would be a very good idea to set up a store in the Benelux. I would be your first customer.
L.
There are a couple of good stores already like Headsound.de, Audiogarden in France and Soundconsult.nl
Maarten
But none of them sells the 334ToGO 😉
Gorboman
If you can afford the TP, I’m sure you can afford a Fit Ear 334. It’s one of the best companion for the TP.
Maarten
Hi, do you have this combo? And what about customs?
Gorboman
I don’t own either, but there’s a headphone specialist store here where I can demo all of their products, including Tera Player & FitEar 334. I’m not into customs, so I can’t help you with that.
Maarten
Thanks. It is good to be able to test before you buy. I just have to trust others opinion and do a lot of reading.
Carl
Hey Mike,
Just in case you missed my question(s); if YOU had the MDR-1R, what amp would you choose to partner it to possibly make it more amenable to your ears, to make the most of it I suppose?
(Besides the FiiO E17! As I’d said, would like a volume knob and also a sound different from the FiiO sound signature. Jump in price not problem, within reason!)
Thanks.
Carl.
Mike
Hi Carl,
I don’t think it’s very picky on amps. Right now probably between the ALO National and the Matrix Mini Portable or RSA’s SR-71A. I feel like the headphone can use some serious bass impact boost and a softer treble section.
Carl
Thankyou once again for your thoughts! Looks like my Dad is in for a treat sometime soon!
Could I bother you for one more bit of advice? How, as an all-round, all-genre headphone, do you think the Denon AH-D600 stacks up against the DT770LE? The Denon is roughly £100 more but something about it just ‘speaks’ to me. I haven’t heard either, you like both and I’m curious. I’m drawn to the Denons, but if you think they just don’t stand the scrutiny against the Beyers, well that would kinda seal it for me.
Thankyou for your time, and I’ll be writing soon as I wanted to give a few thoughts about a couple of things site-wise!
Be well.
P.s. I actually own a Zo2; if I went for the Denon, would that be okay or would you suggest a full-on, ‘proper’ amp?
Mike
I think both are good wide-genre headphones. The DT770 is more impressive technically, but for most non enthusiasts technicalities don’t really matter.
What I do think your Dad may like is the more luxurious design of the Denon. Especially if you’re giving it as a gift.
Carl
Thanks Mike! I was asking about these ‘phones for me though!
I have already bought my Dad the Sony MDR-1R’s! Thankfully he seems to love them(hope he’s not just saying that!) That’s why I was asking about an amp that would really show off the Sony’s to their best ability, to give him the best experience possible from them. From your suggestions above I think I may get him the National and that will hopefully round off the 1R’s performance nicely for him.
For me I think the Denon 600’s are what I may go for – it’s just that in your little addendum to the Denons’ review, you didn’t give any thoughts on amping them. I realise you didn’t write the whole review and that you were busy, but I just wondered that even though they’re easy to drive, would the D600 benefit noticably from any amp in particular. I just have the Zo which I have been using with my little AKG 430’s!
Mike
Ah I see
I actually used some amps with the D600 and I would also go with the same recommendation as with the National and Matrix.
L.
I agree with Mike on this one.
BillsonChang
Hi!
Few questions here. I am in search for a headphone set-up under $500. For amp, I got my target locked on iBasso D-Zero. Selling price for it here is around $130+ & that left me around $370 to spend on headphone. Do you have any good headphone under that price range? Looking for the the amount of bass that does not bleed. Forward mids & does not sound bright. Also looking for something with excellent detail but soundstage don’t have to be extremely good. A decent ones are good enough. My top propriety here is clarity, I am trying to avoid hisses/sibilance. People are talking about DT880 in my price range but it’s too bright for my taste. The biggest problem is that I can’t find Hifiman here. After reading your review here, I believe you have similar taste as mine & I hope you can help me with this!
Thank you!
Billson 🙂
dalethorn
I just ran down the list of the last 50 headphones I’ve owned, and couldn’t find any full size headphone that fit your description out of the box. I found two on-ear types – the B&W P5 and ATH ESW9/9a. I found a bassy full size headphone for which I tone the bass down a wee bit (the v-moda M100), but that recommendation has proven controversial.
BillsonChang
Thank you for the respond. Was thinking about SRH-940 but heard it has a lil bright sound. Sorry, not looking for on-ear as I wear glasses and I dislike the clamping force I had experienced with a few like the XB-800, UE4000 for example. Now that I am looking at HD598, K550, K271 MKII. Any idea? 🙂 it seems weird that someone have problem with the recessed mids of K550 as I personally find it not so.
Mike
If you feel that the DT880 is too bright than the easy recommendation is to check out the Sennheiser full sizes either HD600 or HD650.
Also check out:
Fidelio X1
Fidelio L1
You said the Hifiman HE-400 is not available locally so that makes it hard to try.
Anyway I would figure that some shops in Singapore (perhaps Stereo or Jaben) would have demo units.
If this is your first serious headphone I would think that you’re probably won’t get the choice right the first time you buy the headphone. Things like clarity and sibilance, you really have to know what recordings are you listening to, what real clarity is and such.. also the fact that as you listen to headphones more your preferences usually shift from one type of a sound to another. So, just things to keep in mind.
BillsonChang
I would not call this my first serious headphone but I think this is my first home set-up. Got the XBA-4 last year & driving it straight out of my iPhone sound pretty good but like how it sound when amped so that is why I got my target set on D-Zero. Can’t find Hifiman from Stereo and Jaben either :/ I come down to the right amount of bass and things like that because I tried those V-Modas, ATH-WS70, Momentums and such but they all have those somehow, I dislike annoying bass that covers instruments in the music. Anyway! Thank you for your advice! Will take a look at those Philips and as for HD6xx, I tried those RS220 & like it except for it’s signal… Any huge differences between RS220 and HD600? Thanks!
Nick Tam
I don’t think those two could be compared to be honest. RS220 runs off wireless and its integrated amplifier, where as the HD600 is more traditional and is more practical to hookup to a higher end setup
L.
I do think there were some references to it in our RS220 review
BillsonChang
Yep! Read it and agree on the author’s take on the RS220. But the RS220 & HD600 price here are $150 different. Probably go for the HD600 with Audio Technica amp maybe? Can’t find tube amp here…
L.
I was the author 😉
HD600 still is a better headphone if you don’t need wireless. What amp would that be?
BillsonChang
That’s the last thing I am struggling… Was looking at E9 & let my budget go up higher a lil maybe. Just pretty hard to find Fiio stuff here specially when Chinese New Years are around the corner… Can’t find those Magni & Modi either :/
Mike
Lot more fun to go with the HD600 as you can play with amplifiers.
BillsonChang
That’s what I was thinking 😉
Pkrdlr
Hi Mike, Once again I need your advice. I picked up a 5 gen Ipod Classic and need a recommendation for a headphone to pair up with it. Music is Classical, Acoustic and Classic Rock. My budget is $300 usd. If your recommendation needs a portable amp, that would be part of the budget. You’ve always pointed me in the right direction and I thank you for doing so. Regards, Rick
Trent_D
I have a 5th gen Ipod, and I still feel that god’s gift to the Ipod is the Sennheiser HD202. They can routinely be had for $20, and although it is no master of technicalities (never could be with the ipod either), its musicality is off the charts. I use my ipod/hd202 usually with a JDSlabs cMoy, but it works fine without.
Mike
Oh yeah the HD202 is worth checking out too.
Mike
Hi dude, haven’t seen you in a while. $300 USD for Classical, Acoustic and Classic Rock. One headphone that I think can give you what you want is the Beyer DT770 LE (we’ve been raving about it for a while). You should check out the thread here: http://www.headfonia.com/the-beyerdynamic-we-love-dt770-anniversary-edition/
Pkrdlr
Mike, Before I pull the trigger on the Beyer dt770 le ( $250 here in US ), just want to be sure they will sound good out of my Ipod 5 gen. with no amp as my budget is $300 usd and in the review you suggest using a amp. As always thanks for your time and advice.
dalethorn
We did have a problem with a B&W P5 and the first 160 gb iPod, which was just before they stuck the ‘Classic’ name on. I think the output impedance was too high on that iPod, but the iPod Touch worked better. So *probably* that’s not an issue for you if your Classic is newer, but see if you can determine the output impedance compared to an iPod Touch.
Pkrdlr
dalethorn, my Ipod classic is 5 gen / 60g model. Will this make a difference ?.
dalethorn
http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/ipod/index-ipod-specs.html
Here’s a link to some specs, although I haven’t found accurate numbers on impedances. Personally, I think the DT770LE is so good it’s worth grabbing if you can get it, then if there’s any problem, get a really cheap FiiO amp and LOD cable (just one idea, but probably won’t be necessary).
Mike
They would sound good but obviously by now you know that an amp and a better player always improve things.
And if you listen to classical recordings the Ipod may not drive the DT770LE loud enough without an amp, but that’s the case with almost all full size headphones out of the Ipod. With mainstream recordings and the higher mastering level, you should be fine though.
Pkrdlr
Mike, Thanks for your reply, regarding your suggestion for a amp to drive the dt770 le and ipod with classical music should I be looking at something from the sub $100 portable shootout or the c421 / e12 range. Rick
George Lai
I have a pair of Audio Technica ATH AD700 headphones and though the earpads look huge, they’re actually supra-aural rather than circum-aural. I just cannot use supra-aural. Does anyone know what alternative earpads might fit? At it’s maximum diameter the earpads are 110 mm.
Mike
Sorry George, I’m quite clueless there. Haven’t seen anyone using different pads on their AD-series.
George Lai
Okay thanks. Guess I’ll give it away then.
John123John
Hey Headfonia,
Im looking for a pair of headphones that would mesh well with music like MUSE.
dalethorn
I sampled a lot of their music tracks, and they seem like conventional high-energy rock music. You probably would not want to emphasize the treble at all since it could become harsh, or emphasize the mids because the vocals are already strong, or emphasize the bass too much because the bass is strong now, and that would overpower the vocals.
John123John
so basically a really linear monitor headphone?
dalethorn
Mike’s suggestion of HD25-1-II (?) seems really solid. Or if you don’t mind throwing down some extra money, the Senn Amperior is the aluminum-cup version, supposedly a tiny bit better. Some of the monitor headphones are really lean in the bass, I don’t know why. Monitor is a pretty flexible word.
John123John
Well im trying to trade in my Denon D2000s for a fun sounding portable or iem, vmoda m80, senn hd25, TF10, velodyne vpulse, etc.
I feel like on the go, I dont really care too much about how it sounds as long as its engaging plus i dont expect to be listening to jazz while on the go but thats just me.
I have the HD650 and Crack for that. btw everytime I go back to the HD650, its amazing..
dalethorn
Good portable, engaging sound, not critical, comfortable and easily packed, durable … it’s not as easy as it sounds. At $200 USD the ATH ESW9a is my favorite by far, much better than the P5, but has thin cables like the P5. The M80 is great, and the cable is rugged and detachable, and generic cables also work. For me it takes a few minutes for the M80 earpads to seal, especially in cooler weather, to get decent bass. I don’t have that issue with the ESW9a. I don’t have comfort issues with Amperior (same as HD25?), but it’s bulky, and the lower mids/upper bass are *very* emphasized, making the Momentum sound lightweight in comparison.
John123John
And it looks great too! Whats the voicing on the ESW9a like?
also isnt this the headphone with a notorious supply of fakes?
dalethorn
Most popular headphones are faked. Buy from a reputable site. The ESW9a has a very engaging low bass, the upper bass to low mids is warm but not excessive, the mids overall are very neutral and uncolored, and the highs are recessed slightly. My wife plays them flat, but I use some treble boost, since they have less treble than my target/ideal for treble – the Shure 1840. It’s the best I’ve heard for the price ($200 USD).
Mike
Should give the TF10 a try.
You would struggle with the fit but the sound is legendary. When something is legendary, you as an enthusiast should try it at least once. 😉
John123John
Haha yea i had it at one point. Fit was very nice actually 🙂
Gave it up to try a mid centric -gr06, couldn’t not find a great 07 for sale at the time. But I sold these and am going back to a fun iem portable.
Mike
I sell the GR07 at my store. Don’t think it can take on the TF10 though it’s a nice IEM by itself.
You know what else is fun? Vsonic GR02 bass.
L.
Full Vsonic lineup review soon!
Mike
Senn HD25-1.
John123John
I really need to hear what the HD25 sounds like… Ive been seeing you recommend that pair since I first started reading Headfonia.
unfortunately, on ears do not work well with me..
Something around $200~ you still recommending the m50s these days?
Mike
Yes obviously the M-50 is still a very best seller and the value you get for the price can’t seem to be beat.
L.
The $200 Soundmagic HP100 tops the M50! Review soon 🙂
John123John
I’ve also been hearing alot about the Focal Spirit One.
Review soon?
L.
Don’t think so, sorry
Mike
I listened to the Focal and thought that a review would end up with something along the line of: “Pretty good first headphone from Focal. Good all rounder sound, but there are lots of other options out there.” So I don’t think I’m going to do a review on it. My partner on the AnalogHead store is actually the Focal distributor for Indonesia. Good speakers, but okay headphones (at least for now).
Something like the MDR-1R, UE9000, Fidelio L1 are all better IMO.
John123John
I’m giving up my demon d2000 for the fidelio L1!
Approve? To be used as my portable solution.
Mike
I think the Fidelio is better than the D2000.
John123John
Blah deal didn’t fall through 🙁
But atleast now I know what I want.
Thanks.
Still need amp help though
Mike
Oh but you’re asking for Muse right?
Seriously, you need to get the HD25-1 for Muse.
Another one you should look into is the UE6000 which is the UE9000 I reviewed without the wireless feature.
John123John
Im trying to get it but I do have a concern. Comfort. Ive actually never tried on a onear headphone…
I have a big head and big ears (lol). Should I be concerned?
George Lai
Mike, Lieven, sometimes I want to indulge in a new set of headphones but have to wait until Headfonia has reviewed them. PSB M4U 2. Hint hint.
Mike
Alright George 😉
George Lai
Can’t wait to spend USD290 on it. Cheers
John GB
Mike, I have just got some Senn IE800 In-Ear which are great! What nice ‘clean’amp(300-$500) would you recommend please? (Source iPod). Thanks in advance for your help. PS- Great Site!!!!
dalethorn
DAC plus amp, or just amp? What’s the source player?
John GB
I was thinking just amp. iPod 160gb source. Love dance music and trance. Looking for great up lifting sound for gym.
dalethorn
I have a IE800 on the way, so I will be testing it with the PA2V2, FiiO E17, Dragonfly, Audioengine D1, plus ipod/ipad/iphone and the usual Macs and PCs. I don’t have any idea how it will respond.
dalethorn
Got it now. IE800 is bright, at least as much as a Shure 940 or Soundmagic HP200. It has good bass, a little fat and so on with ipod/iphone, but much better with DAC such as Dragonfly. It doesn’t improve a lot with the little amps like the E17 (through Aux port) or PA2V2. But it does sound like a thousand dollars or close to that. No real colorations.
John GB
Hi Dale, yeah they have amazing bass for there size!
I’m now thinking Fostex HP-P1! What do you think?? I’m trying a ‘Just Audio uHA120’ as I type. It’s ok but hasn’t really got me smiling or dancing!!!
dalethorn
Everybody loves the HP-P1. I can’t say because I haven’t tried it – the IE800 busted the bank! But, I think you just want to make sure and have the long term commitment to the i-device source. I’ve also been waiting for v-moda’s new Vamp, it’s supposed to be the ‘Verza’ or a similar name. It probably wouldn’t be as good as the HP-P1 DAC, and also restricted to iphone5 only, but if it isn’t too pricy I might….
Mike
I haven’t tried the IE800 with a lot of amps but I thought it had a really good synergy with the Fiio E07K.
If you’re looking for something more high-end I would suggest looking at RSA amps due to their dark sound. Perhaps the Intruder would be a nice combo. Or the RSA Shadow for the size and digital volume control.
John GB
Thanks Mike. I was thinking of the Fostex or Just Audio?? It needs to be portable as I will be using at the gym mainly. Love dance and trance music
disqus_Yiog1GQstw
hi mike! its a pleasure to talk to you…First of all, I know its not easy to recommend this or that phone, but i want your help: currently i have a pair of grado sr80, which I like very much, mostly your mids and highs…However, I miss some punchy bass…not boomy nor basshead, but.instead, I want to hear some weighted bass…So, I ask you if upgrade from sr80 to sr225 is a real step forward or just change six per half dozen…Can you recommend other cans to me? My budget is about $200-230…So what I expect to hear is weighted bass, detailed and lightly forward mids, and crisp and natural highs…Is it a easy task Mike?
thank you in advance….
Ricardo
dalethorn
I wouldn’t be looking at other Grados to get that bass weight. And the ATH M50 would gain bass weight but lose some detail in the treble. But the DT880 might be an improvement.
disqus_Yiog1GQstw
thank you for your tip dalethorn…but could you define a bit more how the dt880 sounds in terms of mids and highs? Because I am very concerned in getting better bass with the dt880 and at the same time miss the grado´s fun sonic signature that i like. As I have mentioned above, i dont fancy recessed mids, because as far as i am concerned, recessed mids means poor detailed mids…is that true? and one more thing: apart from dt880, have you got other options in mind to help me?
dalethorn
As much as the DT880 gets great reviews (like some of the Grados), I don’t see the bass matching your desires as you described them in the above post. The rarest of all headphone signatures is the bass that actually rises in the deep part without fattening up the upper bass. The ATH M50 manages that, but has an uneven lackluster midrange and uneven highs. Great bargain for the price though. But, here is a very important tip for you before any further research, to ponder on: The amount and weight of bass you perceive will depend on several factors: The music is a factor – much music doesn’t have good bass, and really great bass is not common. But there are bigger factors. Big factor 1 is where: Outdoors or on public transport will rob the bass. Big factor 2: Listening and focusing on the music and doing nothing else is best, but listening while gaming, watching movies or TV, or cruising the Web (i.e. distracted listening) will rob the bass severely. This is similar to the Fletcher-Munson effect. The type of amp you use makes a difference, not as big as the big factors, but still some amps will thin out the bass, and impedance plays a role. So there are some thoughts to start with. If it turns out you fall into one or more of the bass-robbing categories, then the DT880 won’t likely meet your specifications. Now the DT770-32 Limited Edition I have is perfect for bass, has the crispy highs, and worst case you may have to take a day or two to get used to the mids, which are not bad at all.
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thank you one more time Dalethorn…perhaps I am looking for the “perfect” cans and I know that at this range of price I will never find…Its dificult to put in words the bass I´d like to hear, but let´s try: I want to FEEL the bass in my ears, much more than simply HEAR… That’s why I told you that I need a can to have some punchy and weight bass…Its like when you hear a bookshelf with 5” woofer (grado) in comparison with another with 6,5″ or larger, you know?…Regarding my previous post, do you agree that recessed mids means poor detail mids or not necessarily? If not, so I will have much more options to looking for, right?
dalethorn
The good news is, price is not the factor once you’re looking at headphones in the DT770 class. The much more expensive headphones aren’t really better at bass impact, except maybe a couple orthos over $1200 or so. The DT770 bass is so good that … here’s a couple examples from easy-to-get downloads: Trombone Shorty, Backatown — when you hear the clean and powerful, deep impacts here, you’ll know what the phony bass headphones can’t deliver. Hans Zimmer, Aggressive Expansion a.k.a. Dark Knight theme (original movie) — when you hear the ‘shuddery’ deep bass starting around 0:45 into the track you’ll realize what you can’t hear with Beats and the like – this is very deep bass. You know, the more I think about this the better I feel about it. If you liked a fatter upper bass with some boominess, the Sennheiser Amperior and possibly HD25-1-II could work, but for the awesome deep bass impacts, the DT770-32LE really kicks it out. Just make sure to test with tracks that have real bass.
disqus_Yiog1GQstw
Actually, price is a real concert to me…I don’t expect to spend more than 250k with a new can…Besides, as I haven´t got phone amp, should be a problem to me to get more than 32ohm cans? (considering I have got nad 320bee). Moreover, the more I read about other brands, the more I wish I could test them…I mean, even If I pick up a beyer model, that else should I been missing? Its hard to leave denons, senns, akgs, koss, audio technicas and shures behind….kkkk…..The only way for me is to buy 5 or 6 models and test them…
dalethorn
That’s what I do. So welcome to the world of reviewing different headphones.
disqus_Yiog1GQstw
So, to ended the matter, Dalethorn, what should I do? keep the grado and get another one, like beyer, or get rid of grado and bet all my coins in beyer? and I if keep only the beyer, which model do you think will please me the most: beyer dt770 or dt880? and do you think the impedance will be a big issue to me according as I don´t have phone amp….
thank you very much….
dalethorn
I’m 99 percent sure the DT770LE will be a good bet. The DT880 will not give you the extra bass impact over the Grado, but I would not get rid of the Grado. It’s always a good idea to keep that for a couple months at least, maybe more, because your impressions will change as you have more experience with two different sounds like that. The Grado would serve as a reference point. The DT770LE impedance is not a problem unless you have very low volume music tracks.
disqus_Yiog1GQstw
hi Dalethorn…please, the final help (I´m almost there)….I´m very inclined to grab the dt770LE, but, at the same time, very tempted to give a try to other 2 models: senn hd598 or akg 550k…can you give me a quick review about this two models and how they can be compared with dt770le? Just a quick view in terms of bass, mids and highs…Thank you VERY much…
dalethorn
DT770: Perfect fit, great comfort; K550: Very bulky, hard to fit, uncomfortable. DT770: Strong lower bass; K550: Lean bass. Senn 598: Bass rolloff – weaker low bass. Senn 598 will have a soft pleasant sound overall but the DT770 will be more detailed.
disqus_Yiog1GQstw
thank you man! thank you for you patience…as soon as I get the dt770LE I will post my impressions about..and give you some feedback about my experience with this cans, ok? I´m very grateful to you. No wonder you are one of the most requested here…
dalethorn
Thank you for sticking with it. One suggestion: Post your actual impressions of the DT770LE in the DT770LE review here, so people looking for those impressions can find them easier.
L.
Thanks for all the help on the boards Dale. Mike and me appreciate it a lot, as we’re a bit busy. I will on the other hand post 2 new reviews this week. Big ones. Anyway: Thank you from us both!
dalethorn
And thank you – I’ve pointed quite a few people to the pages here. What I like most about Headfonia is the users are serious about getting information and they stay focused on that. We’re all customers really, so we all want to get the best help we can.
dalethorn
BTW, recessed mids that are simply that, are not necessarily a problem. But mids that are “recessed” because a fat upper bass is overpowering the mids – that’s a problem.
John123John
bump for the dt880. Clarity upon clarity with deep detailed bass, not too sure about the weight though. AKG K550?
disqus_Yiog1GQstw
Thanks for your advice jonh…why did you recommend akg k550? What´s the major difference between k550 and dt880?
Mike
Ricardo,
Should stay away from Grados if you’re looking for serious bass.
Try the Senn HD600. One of the best bass impact in the industry. The HD650 is even weightier on the bass, but coming from a Grado I think you should go for the 600.
disqus_Yiog1GQstw
but Mike, did you consider my budget? Cant spend so much…
Trent_D
Hey L, is that he-400 rev 2 review ever going to get posted?
L.
Yeah I don’t know anymore because they already have a newer revision…
Trent_D
Wow. Ok, when you are going to post your Rev. 3 review 😉
Gabriel Ross
Could some one please let me now if the onkyo nd-s1 work best with the mini-USB out to the Fiio E9K mini-USB in.
Mike
No Gabriel it won’t work. You need to have a PC between the Onkyo and the Fiio.
Carl
A question for dalethorn, (or anybody else who knows!)
I followed your recommendation and purchased the PA2V2 for a short-term solution for my father and his MDR-1R. It’s just arrived but I’m confused about a few things to do with recharging the unit, and hope you can help. I’ve also emailed Gary but haven’t heard back yet and would like to know before I give it to him tomorrow.
The operating instructions on his website address re-charging using the AC adaptor, but it doesn’t come with that anymore(at least not here), it comes with a usb recharging cable.
This is what I need to know:
1. How does one know when the battery is running very low? I left this on when it arrived as I went out. Came back six hrs later, the red light was dim and the sound was garbled and faint, then shortly afterward the light went out. Is that how one knows the battery is running low? Dimming light and garbled sound quality?
2. How long does it take to fully recharge? I have the usb cable into a usb-mains-connected plug. How does one know when it is fully charged? Does it need to be turned on or off when recharging, in order to let one know it is fully charged?
This is very important as he indicates that via AC it can be overcharged.
3. Is this normal for an amp, that it can be overcharged? Is it something to worry about, because what if one connects to recharge and then perhaps gets distracted, or has to go out, and forgets that the amp is charging? I presume damage can occur.
Hope you can help. Recharging my Zo is a breeze as the red light simply goes out and even left connected it will not overcharge.
Many thanks,
Carl.
dalethorn
Unfortunately the only way to know the battery is critically low is the sound, because it will softly distort for a while before quitting. Recharging the NiMH cells is about 8 hours with the amp off (using the AC adapter!!), and more with it on. When charging with amp on, there is essentially no danger of overcharging, but there is when off, so pull the plug after 8 hours when the amp is off. I don’t know that overcharging would hurt the amp, probably just the batteries. Lithium cells have some advantages, but 100 hour runtimes are not one of those advantages. I don’t recall charging times with USB, but that will vary a lot depending on which USB. With an Apple AC to USB adapter that’s 2.1 amp output, should be similar to the AC adapter I have. With Apple 1-amp USB AC adapters, slower. Also slow with computer USB, unless that USB is USB_3.
Carl
Great, thanks for that information, I appreciate the reply.
Take care.
Trent_D
So, here comes the Asgard 2. I don’t know of any other amp being so literally labeled a sequel. I would love it if they would subtitle their amp “the Electric Boogaloo!” It looks like the Asgard can now be a preamp, and it has a gain switch. Cool, if you ask me.
Lower Listening
Hi Mike
Regarding antelope zodiac DACs, neither you or Chris Connaker have given any of them a review. Their technology, and founder Igor Levin’s background in pro clocking took my own interest …the fact that they don’t upsample and are not asynch is a very big point for people so Levin’s approach is quite unqiue. Makes for a super neutral and apparently hyper transparent and wide sounding signature.One mystery is whether the updated analog output stage makes the gold model have better SQ than the others.
L.
I tried getting them for review but I never got a reply from them…
Lower Listening
hmm that is discouraging. I know they are dividing their consumer and pro lines at the moment. Well, I would love to encourage you give them another email. there is the makings a great article ..between psu options and gold vs plus models. their new rubicon da/ad is nice looking too for $40k lol
Mike
I actually got an offer to do a review on the Antelopes. But logistics cost, and the not so favorable comments I’ve heard makes me a bit hesitant in doing the review.
Mike
Yes, they have a background in making precision clocks and that’s very interesting.
I wanted to do a review on it.. then one of my DAC expert friend bought one (the lowest priced Antelope) and he said it was really bad. So bad that he gave it away to his uncle for some DVD watching duties. I’m not really saying that my friend’s comments is the final word in Antelope DACs but he’s pretty experienced with DACs and the whole story sort of killed my interest.
Someone else used the Antelope for studio recording and said that it was bright sounding.
I’ll definitely keep my ears open and if I have the chance to listen to it, I’ll go for it. But so far, these are the only comments I’ve heard on the Antelope.
Lower Listening
hey mike. hmm well im gona try em out at the Bristol Audio show here in UK. Though Im really getting excited about the new benchmark dac-2 hgc … really affordable for the features!
Anton Danilov
Hi everyone,
I own a pair of beautiful Beyerdynamics DT880 Pro 250 Ohm powered from a tube amp, which is connected to an Arcam rDAC.
I totally love the SOUND of it, it’s very full-bodied, agressive, powerful and detailed in every aspect. The problem is, I don’t really listen to the MUSIC in them. I totally loose the sense of anything happening there emotionally, which is a big problem, because I am not a sound engineer or something.
I tried AKG Q701 and, despite that I hate the SOUND, I love the MUSIC. I think it’s because of their wider scene (you’re not inside the piano as with 880’s, you’re near the piano) and most importantly, the midrange response.
From what I read, I think I have to try Sennheiser HD600 or HD650, and that’s what I’ll do. But the problem is, I love Beyers. I really love the build, the sound.
So the question is: is there any affordable way to fix the emotional side of the problem? Maybe a DAC/AMP combo, or just an amp, which will somehow change the perception of the music and it’s emotional message for me?
Help is much appreciated.
L.
A cliché but…have you tried the Beyer DT770 AE?
Anton Danilov
Hi L., thanks for the reply. I will try 770’s, however, judging by the reviews, it might be not be that different from 880’s. Plus, the AE is 32 Ohm only, as far as I undersrtand, and they are hard to find where I live (regular 770’s – a lot).
Mike
The AE edition actually sounds quite different than the standard DT770. Not just the impedance, but Beyer tuned the sound differently.
http://www.headfonia.com/the-beyerdynamic-we-love-dt770-anniversary-edition/
Anton Danilov
Hi Mike, thanks for your reply! I’ve read your article. Do you think that, even if I’m going to power 770’s with Yulong or Audinst, AE is better if I need a softer sound with more mids? I listened to AE and 250Ohms Pro’s yesterday and both seemed like a good solution, though, I am a bit worried by 32 Ohm impedance of the AE.
Mike
Yes the AE is better if you want more mids presence compared to the 250 oms
Mike
Here is a comparison between the Beyer, AKG and the Senn. Perhaps it can help you to make a decision:
http://www.headfonia.com/old-school-trio-akg-k701-beyer-dt880-sennheiser-hd650/
and also between the Senns: http://www.headfonia.com/the-sennheiser-trio-hd580-hd600-hd650/
Vicktorio Djohan
Hi, I just got a Beyer DT 770 pro 80 ohm as a present and currently looking for a dac/amp to drive it. I would be using it mainly on my desktop PC, so portability will not be an issue. And the bass is a little bit too much for me, is there any way to change that other than using equalizer? My budget is around $100, should I go for Fiio E10 or E7k or something else?
dalethorn
I have gotten much better results taming the bass with a mini-DAC like the HRT Headstreamer or similar. It’s a little more than $100, but the results are much better than an analog amp with the DT770. But I haven’t tried all of the analog amps.
Mike
What dale said,
or the Fiio E07K comes with a bass & treble tone controls that you can use to add/reduce bass & treble.
Vicktorio Djohan
Thanks for the advice, guys. Gonna try E7k as it’s in my budget
Pkrdlr
Hi Mike,1) Between the HE-300, HD-598 and dt770 le which would be better for classical / acoustic. I plan to use with a Ipod Classic 5 gen, and a amp. 2) Which amp from the sub $100 shootout would pair well with one of the above or move up to something like c421. Thanks
Trent_D
Well, if Mike or L don’t answer that question with an emphatic DT 770 AE, I’ll eat the dog. As for the amp, I know L loves the AE with the C421, so that might be a good bet. Of course JDSlabs no longer sells the C421. It’s replacement, the C5, should be on preorder soon.
L.
Thanks Trent. Also the HP100 is great for classical. Much more neutral sound. Review soon.
Pkrdlr
L. Will you be comparing the dt770 LE to the HP100 in your review ?.
L.
There’s a small reference to it. They’re quite far apart in sound
Mike
Yes the C5 is coming
Mike
I think they are all good for classical and acoustic.
But perhaps I’ll go for the 770Le if I can get one
Pkrdlr
Mike, I can get dt770Le no problem, what about an amp from the Sub $100 shootout to pair with the 770Le / Ipod Classic 5gen or wait on C5 review or similiar. Thanks, Rick
Isaiah Mackler
I really love the C421 w/ the DT770 LE. My recommendation is either get a used one or wait for the C5.
Ken Stuart
So is the longest period of time ever between HiFiMan headphone releases ? 😀 Any rumors ?
L.
They did release the DAP and IEM
B33thov3n
I have a AKG K701 and EMU 0202 , I was planning on buy a AMB M3 amp for my Phone , is it a good choice ? Or do i need to change my EMU , replacing it with another DAC ? I only have access to HRT Music Streamer and oDAC in my area . So is my EMU 0202 good enough compare to the other 2 DACs ? Thanks !!!
Mike
I don’t have an experience with the M3. I think the Woo 6 is a nice amp for the 701.
DAC upgrades are always welcome.
Gabriel Ross
Mike and staff, I have had my Audeo pfe’s for two years. AKG K550’s as my only full size. Would the Vsonics GRo7-MK2, with it’s lower end, be a good addition.
Mike
Yes definitely the GR07 is one of the best buy in the market these days.
Florian GERARD
Any review of the new jdslabs C5 ? I was looking for the C421 but no longer available…
Mark Ferrosa
me too.
L.
Soon for you too
Florian GERARD
Ok then ill wait till the review 🙂
Mark Ferrosa
Thank you!
L.
Soon
Mike
Yes I’m still waiting for my unit to arrive.
camlann
Any idea when we can expect the review of the Fostex th900?
Mike
I’m waiting for the TH600, I should write about the TH900 as well when that arrives.
Jonah_Chao
Is the updated review of the HE-400 r2 still planned?
Trent_D
Apparently they are up to rev 3.5 now, so the review was outdated before it was even published. I asked that the other week.
Jonah_Chao
I’m pretty sure that is misinformation spread from Head-fi. “r3.5” is “r2”. After they officially announced r2, they experimented with fortifying the frame holding the driver by using some material, but it ended up having detrimental effects on the sound quality. People nicknamed the deficient models “r3”, and you can tell that it is “r3” if the frame holding the driver has a bone-yellowish colour.
However, Hifiman realized its error, and reverted back to the old model, which has a translucent white frame. People mistakenly nicknamed it “r3.5”, when actually it’s just the old r2 headphones. There’s still a service announcement on Head-fi, iirc. So, L’s review is still relevant, as it’s the same model as the official one being released now.
TL;DR: Revision 3.5 doesn’t exist, it’s just r2. Lieven’s review is not outdated.
Trent_D
Thanks for the information! I clearly didn’t do much research into it. I think I did get that from head-fi, come to think of it. Sigh… I should have known to verify my information first.
Jonah_Chao
I don’t blame you. The HE400 thread is 500+ pages long, and I’d be damned if anyone bothered sifting through that to find any valuable information.
Trent_D
Yeah, i don’t know anyone with that much free time. Who knows where it got started anyway. Page 394?
Mike
Sorry we canceled that one.
L.
It’s still in draft. It is postponed till next full moon, or maybe later 😉
Mike
Yes Lieven is right
Elroy
Being more of a music enthusiast rather than audiophile, I would like to learn more about headsets, dac and amp pairings. I presently listen to the Etymotic er 4p. The sound seemed true but with little bass until I got the custom fit, molded ear pieces. What a difference they made, considerably more bass now. I like most generes and use shuffle alot. I might listen to Skynyrd followed by Norah Jones, Mozart, Bob Seger, Earl Klugh, The Mavericks, Kitaro and on and on. I would like a very nice full size head phone (say $500 range) and DAC & amp (anywhere from under $100 ea. to $500 for a pair or as a combo unit). The source being used is my ipod, iphone, ipad or pc, all music has been downloaded at 320 or lossless. Your assistance would be greatly appreciated.
dalethorn
It seems unlikely you will find as good quality sound in a $500 USD headphone as you have in your modified IEM. Maybe you could describe which fine points of the sound you would be willing to give up.
Elroy
Let’s up the budget, what would a nice headphone of equal or better sound run? From there let’s look for a very good, portable amp & DAC followed by a desktop unit.
dalethorn
Some possibilities I think of would be the Beyer T1 or Sennheiser HD700, but I don’t know which has the best signature for rock. But I think those would be a good starting point to investigate. Once that point is reached then an amp could be considered. Those two headphones are noted for their clarity, and the lower cost varieties like HD650 et al are somewhat veiled. There are other headphones I’m not familiar with. The HD700 has been well covered at this site, but the T1 might be also in the older posts. Hopefully some of the main guys here will have some tips.
Mike
Dale has some very good recommendations.
X2 on the T1 and HD700.
Mike
Elroy,
Have you tried anything else other than the Ety? It’s a bit hard to recommend a headphone as the Ety is so different than anything else out there.
Elroy
Any recommendations as to where to listen to high end full size headphones in the Atlanta area?
Elroy
Looking for recommendations for a good portable amp & DAC for my Etymotic er 4p’s.
Pkrdlr
Mike or L, Any plans for a review on the new HRT Microstreamer ?.
dalethorn
I will have one in a few days, will not do an extensive comparison, but I should be able to compare directly to the Dragonfly.
Mike
Sorry I don’t think I’m getting it from HRT.
dalethorn
Microstreamer arrived. Compared directly to Dragonfly on WinXP. At first with several tracks of various qualities and bitrates, not a big difference. I thought maybe the Microstreamer had a more rounded quality and better bass definition and impact. Then I got to a 96k Chesky recording of Girl From Guatemala, with some really bright percussion starting around 3:05, and that did it. The Dragonfly was a little rough and the Microstreamer more resolving and clear. But I think this impression could vary depending on the headphone and recordings used.
Pkrdlr
dalethorn, thx for quick impression, would seem for $189 usd the microstreamer would be a excellant value. do you by chance have hifiman he-300,sound magic hp-100 or beyer dt770/le to evaluate with ?.
dalethorn
I have the DT770LE and the Soundmagic HP200 (not the 100). Do you have a preference for music? Perhaps I could download something I don’t already have.
Pkrdlr
dalethorn, thanks for the offer, primarily classical, singer/songwriter and acoustic. regards, rick
dalethorn
Using DT770:
Diana Krall ‘S Wonderful (Live in Paris) – slightly boomy as expected, voice and instruments perfect.
Jennifer Warnes – Rock You Gently – this sounds sublime. Strong but controlled bass.
Al Stewart Year of the Cat (acoustic version) – great detail.
Beethoven 9th last movement (Abbado ca. 1990) – smooth, bass notes (bassoons) are especially good.
Scarlatti Sonata in E Major (Kipnis) – softer than I expected. Volume control is at maximum.
Note: I tried the HP200, which is slightly more efficient, but some tracks still require full volume, and a few rare tracks may not be loud enough unless you change the setting in the tracks. Same deal with Dragonfly too.
I didn’t say much here about each track, because the color of the DT770 impresses itself very distinctly on the reproduction, so I’m not hearing the full capability of the amp. The HP200 seems to bring out the detail better. I can see by the LEDs on the Microstreamer that it recognizes each bitrate correctly. As long as I’ve listened today, all I hear is good from this little amp.
dalethorn
The deepest notes seem to have the full proper weight and detail, and the highs play smoothly up to the 15 khz range at least. Listening particularly to the ends of the spectrum I don’t find any problems, and of course the midrange is clean. I’m not the expert when it comes to graininess and other such fine detail, but it does seem at least as good as and probably better than the Dragonfly.
Pkrdlr
dalethorn, Thank you for going to the trouble with the detailed impression for me.The review I saw regarding microstreamer was being used with lcd-3 and according to reviewer ( mike mercer ) was driving them just fine. I will rethink the purchase of the microstreamer in regards to the issue of maxing out the volume control for most tracks. In closing I would like to say that you are a credit to the Headfonia site. Regards, Rick
dalethorn
(I’m practicing to be a salesman, so thanks for your patience) — but on that volume issue, I’m sure it’s possible to drive a big planar with certain music tracks whose volume setting is high enough that they sound good, but not so high that they clip badly. I ran into issues that way with the Dragonfly, and could not resolve them because setting the volume flags higher in the tracks made clipping random and unpredictable. At best, it’s tedious to go through everything to see what you can get away with. I will suggest this: If you are confident that nearly all of your music tracks have average or better volume, the Microstreamer should work fine. I’m familiar with a few tracks I’ve gotten that are very low in volume, so it’s easy for me to estimate what I need to do. I find the Dragonfly or Microstreamer OK for my music playback for this reason mainly: It’s a nuisance to make major volume changes all the time with a digital volume control, so low-volume tracks are something I always fix, to eliminate that nuisance.
AnOniaC
ok so i just got the Grado PS1000 and i’m really lost about what should i pick for an AMP and a DAC to bring out the PS1000 potential ?
Mike
Something with a big tube and upwards of $1K would be good…
What’s your budget?
AnOniaC
i can go $2.5K .
dalethorn
Woo Audio WA6?
AnOniaC
yea this and the WA22 are on my list they all advised to upgrade the tubes though . i’m still not sure about what DAC goes well with the WA6
Mike
I’m just giving ideas here, as I rarely use the PS1000.
The Zana Deux from Eddie Current has been known to work extremely well with Grados, but I haven’t personally tried it with the PS1000. It does work very well with my MS Pro and the Grado RS1.
You can also look at the minute 45 amp and the Apex Peak. Again I haven’t really test them with PS1000.
AnOniaC
thanks ill look into these 🙂
jtr3
Looking for a DAC/AMP combo recommendation that has usb & toslink inputs and also analog out to feed active monitors. Also should look good next to an iMac ; ) The Fiio E7K/E9K might do it, but I don’t really care for the look. Perhaps something from Audio-GD or the Matrix Mini-i? Budget is around $300, so I’m not expecting perfection, just a solid performer. Using HE-400s.
Trent_D
The Fiio should work. The Matrix mini portable would also be a good option with the HE-400.
jtr3
Doesn’t need to be portable. The Mini portable is even uglier than the Fiio, lol.
Florian GERARD
hello headfonia 😉 here are 2 questions after posing the setup i’ll use:
currently have a GALAXY NOTE2, an IPOD with LOD FIIO, a HD650 as portable equipement. At home Little dot DAC1, LD MKIII, LF339, modifyed BRAVO V2.
-> I have to buy a closed headphone as my collegues can not work while i’m listening music 😉 and also not very good for airplane use ;-). So considering i’m quite fan of the HD650 and its spatialisation of the sound what are the option you already tested? i just testes a custom one pro and really don’t like it, nothing to compare with HD650 in term of spatialisation….i know that’s the way closed headphones work. Budget 100-400$
-> second question, i wan”t an upgrade for my portable use. considering it will be used with the HD650 AND the new closed headphone. i actually use FIIO E10 connected usb to GNOTE2+usb power pack. I was looking for an upgrade. I have two way an amp only connected to IPOD LOD or a compatible AMP/DAC connected to the GNOTE2. Budget 100-300$. I know there is new E12amp, E07K amp/dac but not sure to work with GNOTE2, C421amp no longer available?, new C5 when reviewed ;-), C&C BH amp,Leckerton Audio UHA-4, ibasso…? ALO seems to pricie for me.
Hope u’ll help me with this big new deal. Converting me to closed headphone.
Most musical taste : MUSE, COLDPLAY, DAVID GUETTA, ADELE…no JAZZ or classical. More electronic and poprock music
dalethorn
See reply on first post.
Florian GERARD
Alo seems good but out of budget…500$ ?!
Any other option?
Trent_D
Matrix mini portable, fiio e7k, HRT headstreamer, Dacport
Florian GERARD
yes but not sure see all will be working connected to the galaxy note 2 ? i know the 07K is not working with all android kernel…what about the matrix?
Trent_D
The headstreamer will. Can’t speak for the matrix.
Florian GERARD
thanks trend i’ll see….just to say that on head fi they tested the new international ALO and doesnt work with GALAXY S3
Ba Dan
Audiohead has successfully tested the ALO International with a stock Galaxy S3 using the USB Audio Recorder PRO available on Google Play store:
http://audio-head.com/the-international-headphone-ampdac-by-alo-audio/#more-1002
A list of stock Android-powered devices reportedly interworking with standard USB DAC:
http://www.head-fi.org/t/595071/android-phones-and-usb-dacs/1710#post_9161612
Florian GERARD
Yes all the USB dad will work with this app as it generate a propriate driver…but this app is bullshit, no way to have playlist, to skip next song, it stop playing if the lock screen mode…then without this app it doesn’t work.
My fiio E10 doesn’t work with my galaxy note2 but it does with this app….but I can’t listen music because in the pocket without lock screen it’s dangerous.
Mike
What dale said for the headphones.
For the DAC amp look at the ALO International.
Florian GERARD
hello headfonia 😉 here are 2 questions after posing the setup i’ll use:
currently have a GALAXY NOTE2, an IPOD with LOD FIIO, a HD650 as portable equipement. At home Little dot DAC1, LD MKIII, LF339, modifyed BRAVO V2.
-> I have to buy a closed headphone as my collegues can not work while i’m listening music 😉 and also not very good for airplane use ;-). So considering i’m quite fan of the HD650 and its spatialisation of the sound what are the option you already tested? i just testes a custom one pro and really don’t like it, nothing to compare with HD650 in term of spatialisation….i know that’s the way closed headphones work. Budget 100-400$
-> second question, i wan”t an upgrade for my portable use. considering it will be used with the HD650 AND the new closed headphone. i actually use FIIO E10 connected usb to GNOTE2+usb power pack. I was looking for an upgrade. I have two way an amp only connected to IPOD LOD or a compatible AMP/DAC connected to the GNOTE2. Budget 100-300$. I know there is new E12amp, E07K amp/dac but not sure to work with GNOTE2, C421amp no longer available?, new C5 when reviewed ;-), C&C BH amp,Leckerton Audio UHA-4, ibasso…? ALO seems to pricie for me.
Hope u’ll help me with this big new deal. Converting me to closed headphone.
Most musical taste : MUSE, COLDPLAY, DAVID GUETTA, ADELE…no JAZZ or classical. More electronic and poprock music
dalethorn
The Sennheiser Momentum or Beyer DT770LE would be good, with good spacious sound (especially the 770). If the 770 is too big for portable use, the Momentum will work very well.
Marc_D26
Hi Mike, I want to know your opinion and insights as the owner/reviewer of the RSA DarkStar, Senn HD800 & HD700.
Few days ago I listened to both Senns through the RSA DS (high-gain for HD800, low-gain for the HD700). Surprisingly, I found that the HD800 feels dull, lifeless and a bit distant-sounding in comparison to the HD700. I know that the HD800 is picky over amps, but I wonder whether the RSA DS is not sufficient synergy-wise to power the HD800. What’s your thoughts Mike as the respective owner/reviewer of those?
Cheers,
Mike
I think that may just be the differences between the two headphones.
Perhaps if you have another amp that you can base your comparison with, I can understand where you’re coming from better.
dalethorn
That’s really interesting – what kind of headphone would it take to make the high-energy somewhat bright and highly detailed HD800 sound dull or lifeless by comparison? Is the HD700 really that energetic?
Marc_D26
That’s what I heard. I was quite surprised myself that the HD800 was less exciting than the HD700 IMO, even when it’s coming from the RSA DarkStar on high-gain (in comparison to the HD700 on low-gain). Yes the HD800 is arguably more detailed and greater soundstage/openness, but it’s no toe-tapping experience, rather it feels distant. In terms of brightness, I think the HD700 is a bit more piercing / shouty to my ears (energetic). Once again, it’s IMO, YMMV.
Have you listened to them both Dale?
dalethorn
No – I had the 800 for 3 years, and never would regard it as distant. I haven’t heard the 700, but have read reviews for 100 hours or so, which should be enough. I can get a sense of “distant” in a peculiar way with the Beyer DT770LE because of the really spacious sound (albeit a somewhat hollow sound), and in the same way I suppose a person could feel that the 800 has a kind-of distant aspect for that same reason. It’s just not a term I ever associated with the 800, and never read in anyone’s review of the 800. So I was a little shocked to read the above. Most reviewers like Tyll and the 57-headphone guy at head-fi regard the 800 as more the other direction from lifeless – too bright or energetic. Or maybe that’s just my impression of their impressions (heh). I would like to read more details about your impressions, since I think they could add a lot to the current HD700 knowledge base.
Marc_D26
Well I guess Mike’s response above summarize it all. My apologize that my short impression caused a lot of stir, where I’m basically asked Mike how did he feel his HD800 and HD700 performed on his RSA DS whether it concur or not with my findings.
It’s so unfortunate that I found the HD800 while perfectly fit my head and ears, even more comfortable and softer than the HD700, but the 800 sound signature is probably not my cup of tea.
In short, I feel that the HD700 has somewhat Grado quality in its sound, albeit not exactly the same, it kinda reminds me of my Grado.
Again, IMO & YMMV.
Cheers,
dalethorn
I appreciate your impressions since I’m curious about the HD700. Maybe as you get some final impressions together you could post those into the HD700 review comments.
Mike
Yes, the HD800 is the more relaxed headphone indeed.
Thats’ why I said I wish my HD800 sounds like the HD700.
yazoo123
Hello Mike & Lieven,
Having been here for a while reading the professional reviews from both of you. First time to post to looking for your advice.
My Gears:
Sennheiser Momentum, ATH M50, Fiio E17 w/ L3 LOD (all bought based on Headfonia review LOL)
Klipsch Reference S4i, iPC-6G 160GB, iPhone4, and Sony Vaio running Win7
Music genre I listen:
75% K-Pop/J-Pop w/ DJ Remix and Mashup
25% Acoustic Orchestra and Jazz w/ female vocal
Since my E17’s “Aux in” port has been broken down (though the usb port still works fine for my Vaio home use), I’m considering
to buy another portable amp for on street use for the Momentum, in order to
1. bring the overall soundstage wider and more forward
2. strengthen the bass
I have no regret in buying the Momentum, though I know it may not be the best fit for my music genre. I just couldn’t resist the temptation to buy such slicky comfortable headphone and I’m enjoying it much so far.
So I’m looking for your recommendation of a portable headphone amp, budget $300-500, based on the above-mentioned criteria. I’d also like to invest in a more decent LOD in separate budget (around $200), any recommendation from ALO Audio’s LOD product family best for above-mentioned sonic characteristics?
Based on my research so far, I’m quite interesting in JA UHA-120, would it be a good fit? Or any stuff from ALO Audio, such as Rx MKIII?
JA AHA-120 is also under my shortlist, though I consider it being transportable rather than portable, since my long term plan would be setting up CAS start-up at home and Music Fidelity V-LINKII (or V-LINK192) & Algo Rhythm Solo-db are the major components under my mind.
BTW, any recommendation of USB cable to fit into my “future” plan?
Apologize for such a lengthy request but your professional advice would be much appreciated and welcome.
Looking forward to hear from you at your earliest convenience.
Many Thanks.
Yazoo
Mike
I think the ALO RX Mk3 has the combination that you’re looking for. Sound stage and bass.
The Triad Audio L3 is also another good choice.
yazoo123
Many thanks for your prompt reply and I would take some time to try out your recommendation.
Have a nice day. Yazoo.
Mike
I think people rarely buy expensive LODs now since I-devices are not really the best source. Rather they get a good quality source and add a good mini to mini cable.
full1nelson
I currently have a set of JH5’s and a Zune HD (32gb). I’m looking to upgrade with a DAC/amp. I just bought a dragonfly and I’m thinking I might return it. Do you have any recommendations for a similar bump in audio quality for a portable piece of equipment, preferably in the same price range? Either dac, amp, amp/dac, or portable source?
I’d like to spend around $250, but can go as high as $350.
Mike
I assume you’re looking for a USB DAC/Amp for the computer?
full1nelson
No, as I mentioned I would prefer something a little more portable. I guess I’m asking whether getting an amp in the price range I mentioned would give me a similar bump in quality as to what I am hearing from the dragonfly. Or am I probably out of luck since my zune probably won’t connect to any portable DAC and the lower price point the dragonfly of(due to its lack of portability).
Sorry if this is a confusing question, but I’ve been agonizing on how to spend my money on this for a while.
dalethorn
Me too. I look at the Vamp from v-moda or the Fostex HP-P1 for iphone, and they’re very expensive. There are great portable amps for a good price, but throw in a DAC and it gets crazy.
Carl
Hey guys,
I need some advice, I think, on the subject of the most affordable way to get decent sound quality from a mobile source.
I’m using an iPod Nano 5g with a Zo2 and when out pair them with the AKG K450, and I suppose it’s okay. However I pretty much listen at home from the iPod & Nano as well, as I’m always moving ’round doing stuff and the problem(I think)is that now, at home, I’m using my new Denon AH-D600’s.
As I’ve listened more and more I’ve slowly realised that although they’ve lifted away thick sheets of fog from the sound, I’m also hearing something rather unpleasant through them. Lots of quite grating bits of sound/noise. Bits of the music sound ragged, metallic-ish, kind of like I’m hearing artifacts of compression or something. Sometimes the music doesn’t sound entirely stable. I don’t think it’s the audio files – I hear these same fragmented bits of sound just as much from freshly-ripped lossless files as on 320 mp3’s.
What I’m assuming is this: that the dac on the iPod Nano most definitely ain’t any great shakes, and the Zo, for all its good points(and I do really like it)isn’t exactly an amplifier recommendation per se, and that together these two just aren’t up to powering the Denons sufficiently to be able to have them letting me hear the music free-flowing, powerful and without any hint of not-enough power.
I know the Denons are efficient and supposedly able to be driven straight from an iPod(or other portable device)but I’m still thinking that if my source was a genuine high quality and capable source, then I wouldn’t be hearing such badly-rendered sound quality. I don’t think it’s the ‘phones(I hope!), and I don’t think it’s the audio files.
My question(and I apologise for taking a while to get there)is what is the most affordable way to go to get a high quality source that is portable?
Obviously I’m looking at a media player and amp, unless it’s a standalone all-in-one, but all the current playes getting mentioned/reviewed seem pretty expensive – over here in the UK for example, the AK100 or the C4 for example are both nearly £600 and that’s just a tad more than I’d like to spend! Then again, as Mike said in a comment previously, more and more folks are NOT using iDevices as they are simply not that great, so not sure where it leaves me?
Or am I simply going to have to look at a pretty expensive set-up if I want a portable rig that’s high quality and will drive full-size ‘phones with power to spare?
Any advice would be appreciated and thanks for reading a comment that I know is a little too long. Be well.
Mike
My first recommendation would be to go buy a high quality recording file on sites like hdtracks to see if it’s the recording that’s giving you that noise.
You can be playing WAV files, but if the recording / mixing is lousy then getting a high quality player would only reveal those noises more.
Marcelo Barreiro
I’m trying t figure out if I can improve on my alo-rx-mk3-b with a DAC…can u guide me as to which, if any will improve my set-up?…I use an iPhone and a Pro 900 at home and a beyerdynamic T50 on the road…will a CLAS make a huge diff?
Mike
The CLAS is the upgrade I would recommend. How big of a difference? I really can’t say as that’s up to your ears to judge.
Marcelo Barreiro
Mike…as always, thanks…
Marcelo Barreiro
Minor correction…I’m trying t figure out if I can improve on my alo-rx-mk3-b with a DAC…can u guide me as to which, if any will improve my set-up?…I use an iPhone and a Pro 900 at home and a beyerdynamic DT 1350 on the road…will a CLAS make a huge diff?..if so, which?
Sasmit
Hi Mike, Have you considered reviewing the cambridge audio dacmagic plus? I only say because you praised the original dacmagic so much
Mike
Yes I liked the original Dacmagic, but since the HRT MS2+ and Dacport LX, the Dacmagic sort of became a third choice for me.
Sasmit
The dacmagic plus has hiked the price around 200$ and its really packed with features including upsampling to 24/384 and of course there is the headphone amplifier
Anton Danilov
I am looking for a closed headphone resembling HD-650 sound signature for around $200-300, something with pronounced mids and probably bass (but not necessary) and smooth treble. I will power it with Audinst MX1, so the softer treble – the better, at home I am used to a tube amp. Any recommendations?
dalethorn
Of all my headphones (a lot) almost all had a strong or weak treble. There were only two that had a “just there” treble that would not irritate with the majority of my music tracks. Those were the open-back Shure 1840 and the closed v-moda M100. But the M100 bass was heavy enough to make users think the mids were recessed. So I’ve found headphones that fit your description for my own purposes, but they required tweaking. Good luck on finding something that has HD650 qualities out of the box, in a closed headphone.
Anton Danilov
Thanks dalethorn. Seems like I’ve narrowed down my search to Fischer Audio 003, AKG K550 and Sennheiser Momentum, but AKGs reviews are controversial, momentum is not circumaural and I know nothing about Fischer Audio, so it will be kind of tricky.
dalethorn
It looks like the FA003 is a good bet, with just a small emphasis around 100 to 200 hz according to Goldenears. I’d suggest that the Momentum does not have pronounced mids as you indicated in your wish list. The significant emphasis in the upper bass to lower mids makes vocals etc. sound slightly distant, although the upper mids/lower treble (‘presence’ area) is very lively. And did you compare K550 to K551?
Mike
The Fischer 003 is surprisingly a very likable headphone. It has that HD650-like tonality, but cleaner and less grainy. A bit loose on the bass, and overall timbre not as accurate as the HD650.
It’s a really good headphone actually. I don’t know why it escapes my radar for a review.
Carl
It would be really nice to see you review the Fischer 003(or perhaps if possible at some point soon the ‘new’ FA-003Ti); like a lot of folks out there I’ve been interested in the 003 for a good while but there’s so little good information about it that it’s difficult to know what to think.
A review here would fill a notable gap I think, so maybe a radar re-alignment is a good idea?!
Mike
Yes Carl, that question was a wake up call for me.
The 003 definitely needs a review.
I’m going to start hunting for a unit.
Anton Danilov
Mike, thank you for your reply! I will actually get my hands on both units and compare them head-to-head on tube and SS amps, so it is going to be interesting enough. First look at Fischer I had really blown me away – I am not really paying attention to bass that much, but at the same time the tonality and pronounced mids pleased me very much. I think I will be able to forgive them being not absolutely accurate all the time. And that was powered by iPod in the store – really looking forward to listening it amped.
Binggy
Hi. I’m a happy HiFiMann HM-601 user (paired with a Sennheiser HD700) The built-in amp on the HM-601 is already fantastic but i’m just wondering if it can get even better. Is there a portable headphone amplifier I can purchase that would produce a noticeable improvement in sound quality/volume? I listen to rock, pop and jazz although I’m mainly interested in hearing percussion instruments as clearly as possible.
TIA
Mike
Maybe a better quality source would be a better idea. The built in amp is very good already, and if you feed the signal to an external amp, the longer signal path would reduce resolution, though improving things like bass impact.
Trent_D
To really step up from the 601, you would be looking at the HM-801, and that is quite a jump in price.
Mike
Yes, that’s correct.
Florian GERARD
Do you plan to review the new portable amp from little dot? Is the link below
http://www.littledot.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=2408&sid=82c35a518c24492c2c48e749e7013484
Mike
Sorry, I have too much stuff on my plate right now.
Apogee
Do you have any plans to review the Schiit Gungnir and Mjolnir and the new Asgrd 2 as you liked the Asgrd 1
Mike
Sorry, no plans. Very hard to get review units from Schmitt.
L.
Hang on Asgard 2 is on the planning (in some way)
Ken Stuart
I saw this posted on head-fi, obviously it is just one guy’s opinion, but the succinct comments sound intelligent. He compared the original to the Asgard 2 and wrote the Asgard 2 is:
” -More detailed
-Deeper, more controlled bass
-More transparent
-More air
-More in control
-More power in reserve”
I could review it for you – I’m within one-day ground shipping of them – and compare it to my hybrid amp with SRH-1840 and HE-400 – if you can get Schiit to agree to lend one to me temporarily for the purpose of a review.
L.
Let me check with out first how we’re going to do that. I might have promised it to someone else already. I’ll get back toy but thanks for the offer already
Mike
I wouldn’t doubt the impressions.
That sounds like a typical upgrade improvements.
John123John
Asgard was such a solid product but glad I sold mine before the the Asgard 2 was announced. I’m wondering if the lower distortion will alter the natural warm sound of the Asgard?
Also the pre-outs and 1watt headphone out are a great upgrade…
George Lai
I am tempted to get a good circumaural headphone with built-in amp and Apple mic. I only know of these two models – PSB M4U2 and UE 9000 – and the noise cancellation function is not important to me. Does anyone know of other models I can consider besides these two? Thanks
Mike
If you don’t need the built in amp then there are many others out there.
But if you really need the built in amp, then I think the Sony 1R has a variant with wireless capability that may have a built in amp inside. AKG’s K495NC also should have a built in amp inside. The 495NC is a really good headphone sonically too.
George Lai
Hi Mike. I pulled the trigger on the PSB M4U2 when the dealer offered 20% off the usual price. Wonderful when used with the amp on or off. I won’t know about the noise canceling until I have a chance on the next flight. Thanks anyway.
George Lai
Hi again Mike, the Sony and AKG you noted don’t have built-in amps. The PSB ticks all the boxes – amp, iphone mic – except it’s a little big for outside use. Would you know of a smaller on-ear one with the amp?
Peter LeGere
Hey guys. I’m looking into buying a pair of full-size cans. My budget right now is $100-150. I currently have the Grado SR80i, which I’ve done some modifications to, primarily to increase bass response. So I feel like I have the very forward, “rockin'” sound covered. I’d like to get a set that will fill in the gaps left by the Grado cans — something more laid back and with a bigger sound stage for listening to music such as Sigur Ros or the more experimental Radiohead stuff. Any thoughts?
dalethorn
I don’t know of any other open-back headphones in that price tier that qualify as hi-fi, as the Grado does. The only closed headphone in that price range that’s really hi-fi is the ATH M50, which would not likely have a bigger sound stage.
Peter LeGere
I’m going to try to audition the M50s locally. Let’s say I was a little more flexible with my price range, so $200-250. Are there good options at that range? Closed or open back are fine.
dalethorn
Now we’re talking. The Beyer DT770LE has a big sound. Review here at Headfonia. Next choices would be Soundmagic HP200 or ATH ESW9a.
Elie Imelda Rik
I would highly recommend the Sennheiser HD598. I bought them for exact the same reasons you are searching for a new phone. I’m also an owner of a SR60i and the Senn compliments them wonderfully.
It has an amazing soundstage, very airy but not in a way everything seems far away. The mids are wonderfull for this price range. Very very good headphone for stuff like Sigur Ros, Godspeed You Black Emperor, Explosions in the Sky, all kinds of vocal (lo-fi singer songwriter is beautiful on these) etc…
The HD598 is technically the better phone in every department compared to the SR60i but I still use the Grados for stuff like System of a Down, Metallica, etc.. Not saying that the HD598 doesn’t play this kind of music well, it’s just that the Grados are more directly in your face and I find that kind of energy highly effective in this genre.
If you want any specific comparisons, shoot!
Mike
That is a good recommendation.
John123John
not really a question but more like a statement.
I just got the V-Moda M-80 and its a great portable headphone for those looking for a FUN sound with an emphasis on BASS. Well although I haven’t heard the HD25-1 ii or the Ath-esw9a, I could not pass up the m-80s for only $80USD. The bass is really quite good and addictive.. really feels like a mini sub. very punchy and big sounding. Definitely better than many of my full sized headphones in terms of that fun bumpin bass sound. Really can’t stress that enough.
One caveat is there are definitely a dip in the mids somewhere. Vocals sounded a bit weird at first. I got over it but still feels a but empty especially coming from the HD650 and HE-500 (HeadAmp Demo) (horrible comparisons I know). Vocals kind of lose that emotion and clarity that all the mid lovers know and love. Songs definitely sound different with their mids recessed and bass enhanced but if youre okay with that, this is a must try.
Pretty budget too considering the general price of audiophile headphones. (EBAY!) Anyways just had to get that off my chest d(-__-)b
dalethorn
When I hear about a bargain price for a current and highly desired headphone, *and* the sound is described differently than most users describe it, I think it might be a clone rather than the original manufacture.
John123John
Sorry dale, maybe im not good at describing sounds or just have broken ears 🙁
I still really like them though.
dalethorn
That’s good to hear. I never heard of a bassy M80 before.
Mike
Dale,
I thought the M-80 has always been about a great bass and a recessed midrange.
John123John
Bass is awesome. Really liking the M-80s… but seriously couldn’t resist buying the hd25-1ii for $120.. Time to put them up head to head.
Im leaning toward keeping the m-80 just based on the fact that it more durable, newer technology (not necessarily better) and i could get a higher resale value on the hd25-1ii. But as we all know, not everything works out the way we want it to.
I was skeptical on buying the m-80s until i read your impressions mike. Thanks so much :D:D:D
dalethorn
I’ve had two M80’s, white and black, used with ipods, analog amps, mini-DACs, laptops/desktops. Same story no matter what they’re plugged into. Very lean bass and clear mids – mids are emphasized toward the higher end, and highs are rolled off. The high-end rolloff might create the impression of some recess.
Nick Tam
Any HRT Music Streamer HD review coming up?
Sasmit
bump
Sam
I have a HRT MusicStreamer II and Objective2 Amp and would like to buy a headphone with great mids (especially vocals) to listen to blues and vocal jazz. I would like to spend $200 at most. I was thinking Fostex T50RPs (modded?) or AKG Q701s (refurbished), but I’m sure there are other options available to me. What would you suggest? Thanks.
dalethorn
A little pitch here for my favorites: The ATH ESW9a and Soundmagic HP200 are my 2 favorites, with just the right warmth and balance, although the HP200 has a strong treble and the ESW9a’s treble is soft. I don’t have any problem adjusting either one because the results are so marvelous musically. Both are slightly more than $200, but I don’t remember anything quite as musical until I get to the $600 Grado PS500, or even more expensive headphones. The HP200 is open-back and the other closed. The HP200 is an extremely comfortable around-ear, and the other is on-ear. I mention the ESW9a mainly because of the portability.
John123John
I always liked the HD598 for vocals. Warm sounding with a nice soundstange and tight, albeit light, bass for clear vocals.
fyi: there are people who believe the O2 to have recessed mids.
a little tip for anyone trying to buy gear and/or upgrade: Seriously check out the used gear market; headfi, ebay, amazon marketplace. Opens up so many more possibilities.. Just be patient~
I got a HD650 for $220 perfect condition, m-80 for $80 and an O2 +Odac for $200.
with that, might suggest a hd600.
Apogee
Normally you put out reviews very regularly, but its been a while since you put up a new review. Was wondering why, sure there must be a good reason.
Trent_D
You need not worry. The most awesome review in the history of ever is coming up soon!
John123John
oooo so much hype!
hope youre not nervous~
Trent_D
Not really. Plus, I am just being goofy.
L.
Appologies. It’s been slow indeed. I’m working on 3 reviews atm but Mike and me both have been very occupied at a personal level. we’ll be back with lots more soon, promis. And Yes, Trent_d’s upcomming post is awesome. just waiting for the pictures before we can put it online
Peter Schmidt
Hi there. I’m gonna try to be short and precise.
I’m looking to upgrade my music listening experience. Currently I’ve got some Audio Technica ATH-A700’s. They’re plugged into my desktop speakers, that are plugged into my PC (mid range gaming motherboard). I mostly listen to house, trance, and what I want more of is deep and punchy bass.
I’ve narrowed my search down to this: Either get the Beyer Custom One Pro or the Audio Technica Pro700 Mk2 and a Fiio E17 – though if an E10 will be able to do the job just as fine, I would prefer the lower price of it. The dac/amp will always be plugged into my PC so portability is not an issue.
What do you think? Which headphone should I go for – what are the differences? And do I really need an E17 over an E10? Will also use the setup for gaming and voice chat.
I’m new to hifi and your site has been a great help overall, so thanks for doing a great job 🙂
dalethorn
That deep and punchy bass thing is like Nessie or Bigfoot – you hear about them, but it’s very hard to get both in a reasonable cost hi-fi headphone. The DT770 goes deep all right, but when gaming, I don’t think it’s going to deliver major impact most of the time. The 700 mk2 is known for powerful bass and some think it’s punchy enough, but apparently it’s well below the hi-fi fidelity of the DT770.
Peter Schmidt
Well, I prioritize music listening above gaming for my headphones, so I guess the DT770 is what I need. Is the 80 ohm version the right one for me though? I don’t know anything about ohm.
dalethorn
The 770LE a.k.a. Anniversary Edition is the best bet I think. Then, you can also order velour earpads and experient to see which gives the best resuts.
Peter Schmidt
Oh alright, I think I’m gonna try to do that. Thanks for helping out 🙂
Mike
Dale, you should take over our Q-A section.
dalethorn
Glad to help out a little, but my experience with gear is really limited.
John123John
skip the amp/dac and just HE-300 or ultrasone pro 900? Unless your mobo is noticeable noisy or lack volume, spending roughly equal money on amp/dac as the headphone is kinda.. meh~
side note: have the fiio e09k/e07k. very nice bass. a little boomy but more fun and addicting.
Peter Schmidt
The reason I want a dac is because I’ve got a dirty headphone jack that pops and cracks when I listen to music. So I need one if I want clean music coming out, and I thought I might as well make it a dac/amp combo while I’m at it. With a dac and one of the two headphones you suggested, it’s becoming a little pricey. Especially considering I was at first looking to buy only a dac/amp for my current headphones. Anyway It looks like the DT770 is something I’d like, now I just need to figure out if I need an E17 or E10, for that headphone and for what I usually listen to.
ryan
After having T1 and hd800, i have been thinking of getting a planar like LCD2. How does it compared with the dynamics?
Dai Chia
As I am giving out my ath-m50 to my brother, I am now looking for another circummural headphone that is mainly for dorm-use (double) powered by my laptop (macbook). My budget is around 200 (although I do look into some around 250, unless it really gives a leg up, I won’t prefer it as much) I like the sound of M50 since it is actually my first pair of decent cans. However, its clamping force and leather ear-pads are killing me when simply watching a 120 min movie. Movie 20%, Animate 30% Music 50%, no gaming. Music genres: Musical, Jazz, classical, pop, Opera light-rock (1970 1980s), and Japanese animate soundtracks (esp. love woman vocal, truly angel voice). I’m not sure if I would need an amp/DAC, but if so, I hope the amp/DAC will be able to pretty much serve most of my need even if I am to upgrade my headphone (amp budget 50~100, if the headphone you recommend does not require an amp, I guess the budget could go up to 300, but still the lower the better). I’m a college student so the budget is not as high; hope that you can understand. Thank you so much for your recommendation in advance!
dalethorn
Beyerdynamic DT770LE is a possibility. There is nothing else comparable to the M50 sound in the M50 price range.
Dai Chia
What does LE stand for? To quickly summarize it, I’m looking for comfort, balance, soundstage, clarity and details (in order of importance to me) in my next headphone primarily because M50 does not offer my major concerns for headphones. my Macbook as a resource is also a problem that I’m worrying about
dalethorn
Limited Edition, also known as Anniversary Edition. Comfort is superb, balance is excellent, soundstage well above average, clarity is top notch, and details follow clarity. There’s a review here on Headfonia, and it has several times more follow-up comments than any other headphone. I keep mine close, lest anyone should be tempted to abscond with it.
L.
Yeah, that was a popular review indeed 🙂
Mike
Thanks, Dale
icecoffemix
Nevermind.
Steven Setiawan
Hi Mike,
I want upgrade tf10 with tf10x6 remould by UM. The upgrade with 6 drivers and remould cost approximately 5,5 million rupiah. Want ask your opinion, how it compare to jh13 pro? For the price, this upgrade worth it or not?
Mike
Yes it’s a great IEM. Faster and more attack than the Jh13. Almost like the hd25 in IEM form.
Not a lot of hype in it, but one of the best I’ve tried.
Ken Stuart
L – If it is decided not to publish your HE400 Rev 2 review, I would be interested to read it privately, just to see what you think…
L.
Good question. Let me check with Mike
jesper holmgren
Hey i looking for a new pair of headphones. I will use them for gaming like battlefield 3 and movies. I have looked at creative aurvana live and Superlux hd 330. So what should i take for my purpose? I have no amp at the moment 🙂
Mike
I think the creative is better if you have no amp
George Lai
Hello Mike, it’s been a while since you did a headphone giant test. Ignoring the super duper expensive circumaurals like TH900, I believe your (and Lieven’s) recent faves amongst the newer models are probably D600, K550, DT770 LE, COP, X1 and L1? And of those 6, I have bought 3 thanks to Headfonia. Keep it up. Or don’t keep it up 😉
KD1011
Hi guys,
Looking at a headphone for EDM (Dance/Club) music, currently using a Sony MDR-1R with a DigiZoid Zo (to add missing sub bass)
What do you think would be the best over-ear closed option, the V-Moda M100 or the Sennheiser Momentum?
Thanks
Mike
The M100 should be the better choice. The Momentum is not that sort of a headphone.
L.
Or even the Beyer Custom
KD1011
Thanks! As luck would have it, I know a store in my city where I can try those out.
One question though: how are the earcups for comfort? Are they deep?
dalethorn
M100 would be a good choice. Rugged enough for moshing too!
KD1011
Thanks Mike!
I just tried on the Momentums at the Apple Store, not only were you right about the sound being not right for my music (worked well with others though), but the earcups were too small!
Will definitely check out the M100s once the XL pads are released!
Eugen
How about a Sony MA900 review? It’s the undeniable star of it’s price range.
Mike
The MA900 is a great all rounder with warm sound.
Eugen
Did you listen to it? Is it a HD600 beater? 🙂
Mike
Yes I have it on the store, but I don’t think it’s a hd600 beater. It’s a good headphone for its price.
OLLYDAVE
Hello Mike, Which is better for studio “HipHop” mixing? The Superlux HD 668B or Superlux HD 669 or can you please suggest any other headphones withn that same price range. Thank you Mike!
Mike
I really don’t have the experience for hip hop mixing.
Both superluxes should be good monitoring headphones. Perhaps you want to go with a closed back model though. The 668B is open, and I don’t remember if the 669 is open or closed. The 662 models are closed.
OLLYDAVE
Thanks Mike. I have ordered for the HD 669 to be delivered tomorrow. Can’t wait. I’ll give a little review when it arrives. Thanks for your help!!!
Mike
You’re welcome, ollydave! Let us know if it doesn’t work out for you too.
OLLYDAVE
I just got my Superlux HD669, I am very impressed with it. Very neutral. It kinda clamps on my head too tight. Apart from that, monitoring is great!
Mike
Yes it does clamp a little tight. Put some books in between the phones and let it sit like that a few days.
OLLYDAVE
Ok Mike. Thank you. I will do just that.
Dave Ulrich
So, how is the C5 shaping up?
Chris Allen
Hey Mike, regarding the Crack amplifier.. when paired with the HD800, is there a good amount of bass and midrange being applied?
Mike
Yes, I just think that it doesn’t give enough width on the sound stage.
Dave Ulrich
Although, if you only have $300 to spend on a HD800 amp, you options might be limited. Out of curiosity, what would be the next stop up after the Crack for pairing with the 800, in your opinion?
Mike
I would use the extra budget for component upgrades on the Crack. And I don’t really mean tubes, rather upgraded internal wires, stepped attenuators and all the other components, and if you still have extra money, a superior DAC because you’ll be able to hear a lot of that extra goodness from the source.
Unless I have another $2K budget for a big tube amp.
But who knows, there’s a lot of amps I haven’t heard out there.
Decware’s CSP2+, for instance, looks very interesting and it’s OTL.
Dave Ulrich
It does indeed look quite interesting.
Chris Allen
Could it be comparable to a headphone in their HD6xx series?
Mike
Sorry I thought you’re talking about the HD800?
Chris Allen
No, I am. I meant like in terms of the bass and midrange being applied, could the HD800 be better with the Crack then the (for example) HD650? Or do you find the Crack to be best paired with the HD650 more than the HD800? My apologies for any confusion.
Mike
I definitely think that the Crack is made for the 650. The 800 needs something with far more resolution to shine
Chris Allen
I see. That makes perfect sense. Thanks, Mike. Sorry if I made anything sound a tad confusing. Lol.
Mike
No problem, Chris 😉
Biergourmet
Hi, which noise cancelling headphones would you recommend? Does anybody know the AKG K490NC?
Mike
Yes the 495NC to be exact.
Biergourmet
So you recommend the K495NC over the K490NC? I’m also very interested if these phones are comfortable to wear, e.g. I had no problem with listening to my German Maestro GMP 8.35 during a 7 hours flight.
Mike
Well one of the reason is that we don’t have a K490NC here, and the K495NC has been very successful with people that I recommended it to.
Comfort is pretty good, but it’s supra aural, which is different than the GMP8.35.
Biergourmet
Thanks for your replay.
Yes, I know it supra-aural. That’s why I’m sceptical about the comfort. Some reviews I’ve found so far prefer the comfort of the 495 (because of it’s bigger ear pads), but others prefer the 490 (because it only has 150g instead of 230g).
I guess finally I have to compare myself.
Mike
I think it’s comfortable and I haven’t had anyone complain about the comfort. But yes people’s ears are different
Arthuryae
This may sound stupid, but do you think that the Creative Sound Blaster Recon3d SB1300 would be sufficient as a DAC and amp for the Sennheiser HD 598?
Mike
I have no experience with that, but I think there’s a good chance it does. The HD598 is extremely easy to drive.
George Lai
Hi Mike, I recall in your review of the DT770 LE that using Beyer velour pads messes up the sound. That being the case how is it that premium cans like Hifiman actually offer both leather (pleather?) and velour pads? In a related matter, I thought closed cans tend not to use velour but that doesn’t seem to be the case for, again, the Beyer DT770 (80-600 ohms). Your views would be most appreciated. Thanks.
Mike
I think the only company that offers both leather and velour in the same headphone is Hifiman. Other than that, nobody else does.
Plus and minuses, but in general:
Pleather tends to be darker, more bassy and more boomy, softer treble section. Velour tends to be brighter, less boomy, more accurate timbre.
In the past most high end headphones are velour. AKG K701, DT880, HD650. I think in general velour has better acoustic properties. Lately for comfort reasons, companies started offering leather pads on high end headphones, but if say you take the famous Audio Technica W-series line up, most of them are on some sort of a leather or pleather, and the timbre are not so accurate on all the W-series I’ve listened to. The AD-series on the other hand generally have a better timbre.
Likewise with the Hifiman planers. Not so accurate timbre with the pleather pads, but some people enjoy the overall tonality better.
George Lai
Thanks for the reply, Mike. I suppose the problem for those of us (you and I) living in the tropics is that unless we are in an air-conditioned room, leather and pleather is sticky, whilst velour though more comfortable does absorb the sweat and over time can lead to all sorts of issues. In another post, I mentioned that putting velour on the DT770LE did spoil the sound somewhat. One solution I use, though not 100% faultless, is to, when using leather/pleather on a hot and humid day, use one of those sanitary acoustically-transparent cover-ons over the headphone. In my view, it hardly changes the sound yet gives one the comfort of cloth/velour.
Mike
Yeah, or you can try to use ac whenever you’re listening to the headphones. Anyway that’s why the 770 LE is so great, they are tuned with pleather.
George Lai
If I used the AC every time I used my headphone, the extra cost in my electricity bill every month could buy a good set of headphones!
Mike
Hahaha well
George Lai
Okay, goodnight. Shall now put on both my AC and LE.
Eli Segal
Actually, HD25 & K271 also comes with Pleather & Velour pads
dalethorn
I got the v-moda vamp verza today, and it seems to be doing a great job with iPod Touch and iPhone in DAC mode, both 30-pin and Lightning. It would sure be interesting how this verza compares to Fostex HP-P1 or other Apple DAC’s, since I don’t think I’ll ever get one of those.
Mike
Thanks, Dale
George Lai
Hi Mike, if a headphone amplifier has both RCA input jacks and a 3.5mm input jack, are there likely to be any differences in audio quality in? Thanks.
L.
I’d always go for the RCA inputs. good question though
George Lai
I’d go along with you, Lieven, simply because in this hobby of ours, the bigger sized the terminal the more expensive and therefore the better it is. Ha Ha Ha Ha
dalethorn
That really depends on the cables you have right now. Which is better quality, and which is shorter.
George Lai
But assuming it was possible to have identical cables, which would be better?
dalethorn
I suppose then it would be good to look inside at the wiring that’s behind the inputs. The RCA plugs do seem to afford better isolation of left and right channels than the 3.5mm stereo plug, but, things are not usually identical or same, so I wouldn’t make assumptions on connectors alone.
Akinari Kanegawa
Hi guys, this might be a little long but please bear with me as I’m in a huge pickle right now!
I’ve gone through several forums regarding the issue of whether to use an internal sound card or an external DAC, but I’ve found nothing specifically geared towards SPEAKERS. All the comparisons between the two have been made with headphones or gaming in mind, but not solely music playback on speakers.
I’m currently using an Auzentech X-Meridian 7.1 2G sound card, whenever hardware volume through Windows is set to over 60%, I get progressively increasing distortion as the volume goes up, through all my playback software (foobar, Windows Media, iTunes, everything). At 100% Windows volume the distortion is unbearable. However, when I turn Windows volume to 100% and my playback software volume down, there is no distortion. So it’s either Windows at 100% and software turned down, or Windows at 60% and software maxed. Both maxed out will lead to distortion on my JBL Duet IIIs.
Might the issue be with my speakers? I do not know, as they work fine direct from the motherboard’s onboard sound and through my iPhone maxed out and controlling sound via analog direct from the speakers.
I’ve even swapped my front channel opamp to LME49720HA as I thought it might be a bad opamp but still getting distortion, though the actual sound quality is significantly better. Changed computer power supplies as I thought it might be a crappy voltage going to the sound card but it’s still the same. Changed PCI slots, changed positions, changed speakers, tried headphones to no avail. I haven’t bothered contacting Auzentech as they’re pretty much defunct now, and I can’t RMA as my warranty is over, and I can’t find my invoice as the card was purchased quite some time ago. I’m not sure if this is a normal issue with sound cards…
With that being said, I do not need surround sound for gaming as all I play are MMOs, nor do I need any kind of “virtual surround DSP” of any sort. All I want it something that will allow me to experience pure musical enjoyment from listening to the songs on my computer.
The two options I’ve done research on which are plausible candidates for my next audio upgrade are the Asus Xonar Essence ST, or Fiio E17/E10/E09K/Schiit Modi to power my soon-to-come Fostex PM0.4n studio monitors. Which leads me to my main question: Should I invest in the Essence ST, or go for an external DAC? I have absolutely NO NEED for an amp of any sort as I seldom use my cans/IEMs while on my PC, and when I do, none of them need amping.
I know my way around sound cards, but I’m clueless when it comes to external DACs. So far the only DACs I’ve looked at are the Fiio E17, E10, E09K, Audinst HUD-mx1 and the Schiit Modi.
Long story short, I don’t know if I should continue to try finding a cure for the distortion (after 2 years I still haven’t solved it) or just simply upgrade to an external DAC and not have to worry about Windows and software and analog volume issues causing distortion.
Thanks
dalethorn
I experienced a similar problem with the Dragonfly DAC. Everyone from the manufacturer to reviewers said to keep the player volume at maximum (to prevent dithering and losing bits) and use the system volume only, since the Dragonfly would re-purpose the system volume and do its volume control in analog mode, or something similar. But that didn’t always work. There are plugins for music players you can also try (WASAPI and others) that may make a difference, but *any* software you have running in the background may interfere with your sound, *even* when you use Task Manager etc. to set priorities. An external USB DAC is always the best bet, because it can be used anywhere, and it’s more isolated than internal soundcards. But if you get a good USB DAC, be sure to turn off all background programs you don’t need (or just turn them all off – Skype is by far the worst offender on my PC).
Akinari Kanegawa
That’s news to me, wasn’t aware background programs could cause noise? I’ll be sure to do some experimenting.
Currently looking at three DACs: Audinst MX1, Schiit Modi and the ODAC. Not sure if the MX1 with its Wolfson DAC has an edge over the latter two that justifies its $80 premium.
dalethorn
Two things: I didn’t mean to suggest background apps would necessarily cause noise. Mostly what they caused me were interruptions that overwhelmed the 1000 ms buffer Foobar uses, which sent me off on a wild goose chase looking for other fixes. Computers today, especially when connected to the Internet, are terrible about delays and interruptions. Second thing: Are you comparing 3 DACs that all include amps? I didn’t know the MX1 cost more than the ODAC.
Akinari Kanegawa
The ODAC standalone unit and the Schiit Modi are DAC only without amps, which is what I plan on using. The Audinst MX1 is an amp and DAC combo, but since I don’t need the amp I’ll only be using line out. My main question is, whether or not the DAC portion of the MX1 is “better” or higher-quality rather, than the actual DACs in the Modi and the ODAC, if anyone’s who’s had experience with any of these three units can chime in, and whether or not it’s worth the $80 premium over the ODAC and the Modi, and whether or not I’ll actually be able to hear a difference when my Fostex PM04.n is connected.
Akinari Kanegawa
So I’ve managed to pinpoint my source of static. The culprit is actually my current speaker system, JBL Duet III which has a 10w automatic DSP adjusting amp. I tested maxed out volume on both Windows and software (foobar) on my old 2.1 Altec Lansing 221 setup and no distortion at all, zero.
Guess it’s time to get new speakers!
dalethorn
If you’ve examined all cables for shielding problems, and any power supplies that aren’t shielded, then what about that DSP? Maybe there’s an upgrade.
Akinari Kanegawa
Amp is built into the speaker system, which has a DSP EQ type system that adjusts EQ based on sound input, JBL hasn’t really shed any light on this feature and they’re not a company that likes to list any specs on their consumer-grade audio products. I guess it can’t handle the power my sound card is outputting? Which is strange because it sounds fine with any other audio source including my onboard sound and iPod or iPhone or anything else, just not with this particular sound card.
Oh well, I ordered a pair of Fostex PM0.4n studio monitors earlier today, selling my JBLs.
Mike
Thank you for figuring that out by yourself. Sorry have been busy and haven’t had the time to reply to your previous post.
Andrew Chiang
Hi Mike, I’m on the market for a new DAC to drive my studio monitors. I do not listen to headphones much, so I’m not worried about an amp. Would you recommend the ODAC or the Modi, based solely on build quality and sound output quality? Least interference? Least need to mod in order to reduce possible interference or power supply insufficiency? I prefer a brighter sound.
Thanks!
L.
Well we didn’t listen to the Modi and we never reviewed the Odac, so…. anyone else?
Dave Ulrich
The ODAC didn’t blow me away. It isn’t bad for the price, and is pretty neutral, although I found the timbre to be a little off. In his review of dacs with the old sabre chip, Mike refers to it as a plasticy timbre, but I thought it was more metallic. I would be inclined to give the Modi a shot. Better build quality and a two year warranty
K35
Does the quality of a 1/8″ to 1/4″ TRS Y-cable really make a difference in sound quality?
dalethorn
If the cable is very short and there is no corrosion, it may be OK. Corrosion may occur with cheap connectors if the cable sits undisturbed in the jack for a long time. When frequently unplugged and plugged in again, corrosion does not have a chance to build up on the outside of the plug or (usually) on the inside of the jack. Longer cables have the most potential to change the signal.
thethirty3rd
Has anyone managed to compare the Ultrasone Edition 8s to the Signature DJs/Pros? Am trying to decide between the three but there aren’t any really good comparisons around..
Mike
Just briefly,
The Ed8s have a more focused sound, clearer sound, better bass detail. The Signature Pros are like the Pro900s but with an extreme boost at the bass. So you get a thin mids and treble and then boom-huge bass. Not very reference like in my opinion.
The Ed8 is a lot more coherent too from top to bottom.
John123John
Mike, is there any reason to get the Schiit Asgard when I already have the JDS O2 (sorry) and Bottlehead Crack?
currently have hd650 as main.
John123John
woah.
“The PanAm paired with the HD650 for instance is so enjoyable it’s taking over the role of my Bottlehead Crack as the HD650 amp”
Mike
The Asgard is a different sound so yes in that sense you can get it, but I don’t see why you need to. The Crack is unbeatable for the 650.
Mike
Should go out and explore new music, John.
John123John
haha I am! I have so much music to listen to but the kid in me wants new toys
Mike
I’m having fun with this media centre player called Olive. 🙂
dalethorn
Try the Soundmagic HP200.
Eli Segal
Hi,
I’m currently own and use: MDR-1r, HD25, SE215, MS1i
and I’m also going to buy the HD600 or HD650
Can you give me a recommendation for a good portable amp for these headphones? Right now I’m using the C421 and I like it except the lack of good bass definition and also, it’s hard to get low volume on low impedance phones without get imbalance
Currently I’m considering the SR-71a, but other suggestions are welcomed
Thanks!
Eli Segal
Also, will a better amp feel better if I’m listenning mostly in low volumes?
dalethorn
A higher quality amp that tracks/balances perfectly at low volumes is always a better idea, since that attention to quality should result in a cleaner sound at low volume. But I always experiment to see what the sonic differences are when the source is at maximum volume (if applicable) versus less than maximum, and then adjusting the headphone amp volume accordingly. Most times, people will tell you to keep the source at maximum and then adjust the amp volume only, but I don’t think that’s always true 100 percent, because electronic circuits and headphone impedances are a complex mix, and you may get better results at certain volume levels if you bend the rules a little bit. But correct channel balance at all volume levels is always desirable.
Eli Segal
At least in my case I don’t have that option as I’m using an iPod with LOD so the only control I have is from the amp
Eli Segal
Any recommendations/opinions?
Mike
Just posted above, let me know if those don’t work.
ALSO, the ALO Rx Mk1 and Mk2 are two amps with excellent bass impact and texture. The Mk3 is the most powerful but not as good as the previous two in terms of bass detail.
Mike
Do you want better bass definition (ie better bass detail) or better bass impact/body?
The SR-71A has the best bass impact & body.
For bass detail you can try something from Meier amps (the last one I tried was the Stepdance) but they tend to be thinner in sound.
Eli Segal
I guess I want more impact as well as I feel I have too little bass on the c421 but turning on the bass boost gives me too much bass and muddy up the sound.
Am I right that the sr71a will give better bass that is less than the +8db I have in the c421 with a better clarity?
Thanks,
Also, are there any othe amps I should consider?
Eli Segal
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Aditya
Hey Mike, i live in Indonesia 😀
How about combo :
– Audinst Hud MX-1 pair with Schiit Asgard
– Schiit Modi pair with Asgard
– or Furutech ADL GT40 DC/AMP
wonder if these type of combo will work well for the following headphone :
– Hifiman HE-400, 500
– Senn HD 600/650
– even audeze LCD-2 for the future
because it’s gonna be my long investment, and for first i’m planning to get HE-500/HE-400. but i’m gonna invest for future.
and how about Burson HA 160 DS comparing to two combo above?
thanks : 😀
Dave Ulrich
The Schiit Asgard is no longer available. It has been replaced by the Asgard 2. If you are going for a stand alone amp, I wouldn’t use the MX-1. For a little less, you could get the Music Streamer II or the Topping D20. A little more could net you a dacport lx.
Aditya
yeah i mean Schiit Asgard 2, sorry for typo.
so HRT music streamer/ Dacport LX you suggest?
how about schitt modi? is it worth the price for sub $100?
is it good comparison with HRT/Topping D20?
for real, i dont like the looks of Dacport LX. need something comes with square shape, so it will be top-bottom style DAC and amp
and i really like the looks of Topping D20, i gotta admit it really got sleek design.
is it USB powered to PC?
what do you suggest for under $250 DAC beside those you mentioned above ?
Dave Ulrich
Well, those are just the ones I have experience with. I quite like the dacport.
Aditya
ah i see, thanks for your answer Dave
starting to compare Dacport LX and Topping D20.
i really want to hear your review between them
and also what amps will be your choice if i pair it with Topping D20? for under $275
Dave Ulrich
Sorry. I reread what I had wrote. My mistake. I have not heard the topping D20. According to Mike, who I seem to have similar ears to, the D20 has the larger soundstage, but the LX is cleaner and more lively. Give me a few days, and I can give you an idea of what the LX, Asgard 2, he400 and HD650 will do together
Aditya
Wow really appreciate that Dave.
would love to hear your opinion with those.
looking forwad to it 😀
Thanks Dave
Albert Harris
Hi Aditya,
Warmest greetings from jakarta!
For HD650 if you preferably to use a separate DAC and desktop amp, i would suggest you to give a try on Burson Soloist SL + HRT Streamer II+ for a slower music type, and for a faster music pace, Burson 160DS is still the best for its price bracket. am i a big fan of burson? i think.. lol. i love big amp, and ortho’s need that for sure.
One of our colleague in local community was comparing Centrance DACport with Furutech GT40, and based on his review, i think we could call it “even”.
Hopefully this information could help you a bit.
Aditya
wow thanks for the warm greetings 😀 me also live in Jakarta Albert 😀
yep, i’m thinking to get Dacport LX for my DAC, for a few days till now, i’m still confuse about the amp.
heard that Dacport LX produce a bright sound, what did you suggest for the amp?
Dave Ulrich
It isn’t bright, so much as it is uncolored. I still say, and I know Mike and L will back me on this, the HD650 sounds best with tubes. Sorry I don’t have a Soloist SL with me at the moment, I won’t see that for another month or so.
Aditya
Hey Dave 😀
yep from all the review here, i saw you, Mike and L said that the HD 650 will sounds best with tube.
well any other recommendation beside the bottlehead crack for tube amp with the same price range?
a more all rounder tube maybe? as i’m also going to pair it with RS 1 and AD900X and maybe some other low impedance headphone in the future
Dave Ulrich
Actually, the review I am working on right now is for another DIY (DIY) tube amp called the Torpedo. That might be a good amp to look at. It has an output transformer, and I don’t want to bore you with the details of what that means (read: I don’t know), but, as a result, it will work well with both low and high impedance. It pairs VERY well with the HD650. Not quite as well as the crack, but quite good. It is also a match made in heaven with the Superlux HD660.
Aditya
any links/info regarding the amps?
Love the way you pair it with senn HD 650 !
Albert Harris
Hi Aditya, my apology for the late reply, get quiet busy lately. Dacport that i mention before was meant to entrance dacport only, not the dacport LX. with dacport, you will get dac + Amp in one package.
For HD650 will match with tube amp, first of all is, tube amp it self now have a different sound signature. like bottle crack with the slightly thin sounding clearly less tubey sound than let say graham slew novo (solid state amp with ridiculously mellow sound signature).
If you would like your HD650 could “eat” more genre of songs, you can find an amp with more netral sound (no matter it will be tube or solid state), but if you would like to specialize your HD650 for mellow song, you can get mellower amp.
Dave Ulrich
I would definitely not call the crack thin sounding. It also can make the HD650 quite lively.
John123John
Hey Headfonia,
Any chance for more Schiit reviews? They’re good products at a nice price and are very popular and I’m sure many people would appreciate a review. I know they’re hard to for review but maybe a guest review would work.
I remember long ago you saying that you liked the Shure SE215. I’m thinking about getting these, a little late i know. How would they compare to a V-shaped TF10. Some say the SE215 is a warm IEM, others a mid-centric. What do you think?
Also it would be cool if you guy kept updating the recommendations. It doesn’t have to be perfect but i think its a nice little feature most people can use and appreciate like Tyll’s wall of fame.
also, curious, what setup are you currently rocking?
Thanks,
L.
hi John,
We do have to update that section indeed. We’ve just been a bit too buys really, not an excuse, I know.
The problem with Schiit is that they always promise review samples but they never make it here. so it’s kind of hard to get a review sample outside of the USA. We do are trying to work out an Asgard 2 review with a guest reviewer, but he’s also waiting for the unit…
I myself am mostly using the Eterna rev 1s iems when on the train, the Beyer COP at work, the DT770 AE at home when the misses is there and the T90 for the real listening. I keep switching amps all the time. At work and on the go I use a Cypherlands dac and the JDSLabs C421, my C5 will arrive soon.
I can’t really comment on the SE215 vs the TF10, I hope Mike can. sorry
Dave Ulrich
I could be wrong, but I believe the guest reviewer in question received the Asgard 2 last week. However, he might have been planning to put that review on the back-burner, because he has a couple others on his plate and wanted to wait till he had a chance to compare the Asgard 2 to the Soloist SL. Just things I heard…
John123John
lol so much insider information. Does the guest reviewer happen to be YOU? ^^
L.
Was it that obvious? 😀
John123John
That’s unfortunate about Schiit. They seem to be backordered but that’s a drawback of a small business relative to idk Sennheiser. hopefully there no hum~
lol i never realized how much of a beyer fanboy you were. What happened to the HE500, HD650 and LCD2???
Thanks for the reply.
L.
Oh, I still am a Senn fanboy too. The HD650 is one of the best, and I love the HD700. The LCD-2: love/hate. It hasn’t been used since the Rein X3 review and the HE-500…gathering dust… I love so many headphones and my preference tends to rotate. Lately I’ve been enjoying Beyer very much. I’m lucky to have so many headphones!
John123John
hehe im very glad the HD650 is still on the top of your list. Its the one i chose to keep as well. I still need to listen to the hd800 though. its been on my list since i first got into all this headphone business.
and so jealous..
John123John
Mike?
Mike
Oh yeah, my set up?
Well it changes from week to week. I don’t really have ONE set up.
Being a reviewer and all, you know.
Recommendations, maybe it’s a good idea to take that page down temporarily until I can find time to update it. Lots of people have asked for it to be updated since last year and I haven’t been able to do that.
The 215 IS warm and mid-centric. The 215SPE (green color) is less mid centric and has more low bass. Not saying the SPE is better, just different.
John123John
using being a reviewer as a cop out i see… lol jk ^^
I think I tend to like that sound signature. I just hope it s fun enough to be used as a portable. I tend to not listen to music as deeply while on the move.
Might just end up getting the Velodyne Vpulse but ive been wanted the SE215 for a long time…
Mike
Schiit Asgard2 review is coming
Aditya
wow excited, cant wait to see headfonia review for what improvement will the asgard 2 achieve
icecoffemix
As long as it doesn’t kill headphone stealthily…
Mike
Lol good one
Luke Farey
Hi – I’m completely new to headphone amps. I currently have some Unique Melody IEM’s that are about to be re-shelled and upgraded to 6 drivers. Is there a portable headphone amp out there for use with my iPod/Phone that can also be used to plug into my amp (1st edition Rega Elicit that has no headphone socket) – for vinyl playback? Budget up to £200.
Thanks,
Luke
Eli Segal
Hi,
I’m looking for a closed back comfortable cans for use at work, I currently have the MDR-1r for this and they’re quite comfortable but my ears and head get sweaty pretty quick. (I’m bald)
I also like the sound of MS1i, SE215, K240, HD25
I have the DT770 Pro as well which I don’t like (clamping/boomy/piercing highs)
Can you recommend me something that might suit me?
Currently my amp is the SR-71a
Thanks!
Eli
Mike
The Audio Technica ESW-9 is worth a try
Eli Segal
Wouldn’t it be sweaty as well? (as it’s not a fabric pads)
Mike
Well I really don’t know of any headphones that aren’t sweaty in summer temperatures.
Unless you’re talking something like the px100 which barely grabs the ears.
Eli Segal
I do fine with velour pads like in the HD25 which is great but I can’t find good closed can that are comfortable with velour pads.
With the MDR-1r The ears gets sweaty after 10 minutes even with an air conditioner
dalethorn
The ESW9 earpads have a conical shape that has minimal ear contact – it works well as a closed headphone but should alleviate most sweating.
John123John
Hey Headfonia,
I dont know if you’ve seen the thread by Tyll on head fi. Basically if you had to live with one headphone what would it be? and if you could live with two, what would it be?
I thought it’d be interesting to see what you (mike), Lieven or anyelse’s choices would be.
I know there are alot of other variables (budget, amp, dac, source) but still interesting.
Personally it was the HD650 + antlion micmod and a Custom IEM. Couldnt really decide on a one headphone solution because I would always have two (portable and home). A nice semi portable, all rounder, not amp picky, comfrotable and with a mic would be nice. Fidelo L1, Momentum ,MDR-1, M80 maybe.
Thanks,
P.S. sorry if im not allowed to mention headfi or other reviewers…
Mike
Well its a classic question, but it’s mostly a hypothetical situation.
L.
The question is somewhat wrong. What if next year Sennheiser releases your ultimate headphone then you wouldn’t be able to choose it 😉 I agree with Mike, and on top of that: only one headphone? Let’s stay realistic ok? 😉
If I really do have to pick one right now it would be the HD650/700. Crap, that’s 2 again
Mike
Damn L, did I put words into your mouth? It’s gonna be the two senns for me too. But of you’ve heard the Fostex 900 you’ll probably take the 700 off that list, just like I would.
John123John
psh we all know senn isnt going to release another audiophile headphone in this decade ^^
this particular question is just as flawed as “whats the best headphone under $200” or “will i hear a difference” but these get asked 10x a day.
anyways I just thought it was an interesting question and something people should think about.
man i still need to hear top tier headphones with full setups though. :/
dalethorn
Price isn’t everything. I just listened to a $1500 USD IEM, at home, with several amps, and I will have to send it back without review. Unbelievable. The Senn IE800 is much, much better, and the IE800 isn’t exactly getting rave reviews.
John123John
sorry dale, I just meant that the “if only one headphone” question is as flawed as “best headphone under $200”.
and that is insane… what the heck iem is $1500 and not even custom.. Audiophiles dont seem to be too big a fan of that bass but atleast the general consensus is that its an upgrade from the ie8
dalethorn
Oops – I didn’t mean the IE800. I love the IE800, and the bass is marvelous. I meant an IEM that’s 50 percent more expensive than the IE800.
dalethorn
HD650 is good. The ATH-ESW9 with a small treble boost or v-moda M100 with modest bass reduction just as good. The DT770LE is good if the treble peak is tamed. The Senn HD800 with judicious EQ is better. Much better. The Momentum is very difficult to EQ to balance the lower and upper treble. The Shure 940 and 1440 are excellent with treble reduction – earcup stuffing with Shure foams. The Soundmagic HP200 is excellent with a slight treble reduction. In the process of elimination, I’d start with the HD650 and M100 as being too claustrophobic. I really like portability (not transportability), so next I’d eliminate the HD800, the Shures, the DT770, and the HP200. That leaves me with the ESW9 and Momentum. But the ESW9 is amenable to a simple iPod EQ while the Momentum is not. So I end up with the ESW9 (ESW9a in my case, plus the not-as-good but still enjoyable ESW11 as backup). But if I were going to stay at my desk for extended periods of time, I’d use the Soundmagic HP200 for best comfort and overall sound, and just deal with the treble EQ.
icecoffemix
Wait, you prefer ESW9 to ESW11?
dalethorn
I think the ESW9 is better technically – it has a smooth treble rolloff and a proper midrange, but the ESW11 has a more nasal midrange and steep treble rolloff. When the treble is compensated on the ESW11, I hear more distortion than with the ESW9. Both headphones have a near-ideal bass I think, and the ESW11 is more comfortable because of better shaped earpads. But I do use the ESW11 mostly anyway.
John123John
haha dale, you love the esw9 so much.
i really need to get a pair. ^^
dalethorn
I don’t feel qualified to judge headphone design as far as earcup materials are concerned, but now that I said that disclaimer, I think there must be something about those wooden earcups that really enhance string tones, that provide the right sonic background much like the violin wood parts support the string tone of the instrument. For years, or even decades, hi-fi tried to say accuracy was the key, and hi-fi components should not have tone, just reproduce what’s on the recording. So I have to say, I agree with the principle of that, but the reality may be that the wood earcups really are better, I just can’t be certain that’s accurate (heh).
John123John
thats how you recreate that nice timbre 🙂
do you generally like headphones that have wood cups? I dont know if grados count but lawton denons, fostex, etc.
dalethorn
I had the Grado PS500, which was better I think than the 325 I had years ago. I thought the PS500 had a very nice upper sound (ignoring the bass hump), but it did not have a similar sound overall as the AT headphones. Still, the PS500 did very well with string tones, so maybe the wood did make a difference.
icecoffemix
Interesting, I don’t like the midbass on ESW9 though.
dalethorn
Do you have a music track example (available on itunes or Amazon)? I like to pick up good test tracks that way, and if they’re really good, I often buy the CD too.
icecoffemix
Nope, don’t read too much into it, I’m just inherently allergic to midbass.
dalethorn
I get criticized a lot for using EQ with nearly every headphone I review, and with about half of those I reduce the mid/upper bass. That includes the vmoda M100, Philips L1, Grado PS500, Logitech 6000, Senn Amperior, Klipsch Image One, etc. But I don’t need any bass reduction with the ATH ESW9 or 11 since the bass is very nicely tuned with no noticeable emphasis.
Hafiz Yunaf
Hiya there headfonia, are there any suggestions to fullsize that sounds similar to ER4? i’ve been searching for 2 years and still can’t find one, the closest one i think is SRH940
Mike
Sony CDR – 900ST
Aaron
hi there, just started my headphone searching and came across this site.
Already read your explanation on amplifiers and DAC.
now the question is, if I am using a laptop do I need both amplifiers and DAC
or do I just need one, either an amp or DAC?
Cause from the explanation above I’ve read that its best to have one of those but do I really need both?
I am planning to get a full size headphone. Maybe an AKG or a beyerdynamic.
thank you
Dave Ulrich
Well, your laptop has a dac and an amp built in. So, technically, you already have both. The question is quality. I would recommend them
dalethorn
There is no quick answer unfortunately. There’s a wide range of prices and configurations, and rather than just buy what gets a good review, you should find which components will work best with the headphones you like, and will give you the sound qualities you seek.
Aaron
so ….. I can just get myself a full size headphone and just
plug it in and use it like a normal headphone??
cause like what Dave said below, laptop already have built in dac and amp.
dalethorn
A decent laptop (I have a Macbook Air) will give you 98 percent of the sound of a good external DAC and amp with a typical efficient dynamic headphone. But some headphones will not work so well from laptop only.
Aaron
thanks for the info.
really appreciate it.
Mike
Hi Aaron
Yes its best to have both. Of course you can have only one or even neither and you can still get sound from your laptop.
John123John
anyone deal with the sony XBA series?
in particular the xba-3.
thanks.
Mohamed Taha
fiio x3 Compared to the high ENd players on the market this is very cheap …..That s right …..waiting ur review because i consider buying it but confused between it and hifiman hm-601 …….and wondering is it a worthy upgrade from ipod classic 5th gen. + fiio e11 ?
John Newcomb
Im looking for a good set of headphones for listening to music, i dont mind having to buy a AMP if it fits into my budget.
My ideal budget would be around $300
The main music I listen to is Rap, R + B , Indie Rock and abit of Pop so i’d want headphones to bring out the best of these genres.
Any advice would be appreciated i’m really new to this so i’m not sure where to start. I’ve had a look at the Beyerdynamic dt990 pro paired with something like e10 or maybe the Soundmagic hp100.
This will almost 100% be for use with my computer (desktop) im not sure what i’ve got inside it at the moment but it’s a fairly powerful machine.
edit* I can sometimes spend up to 5 hours + on my computer with headphones so comfort is important.
thank you
dalethorn
Personally, I would avoid the ‘neutral’ type of headphone like the HP100 for those genres. A warmer sound like the HP200 would be much better.
John Newcomb
thanks for that suggestion I’ve done some looking and they seem rarely hard to get in Australia for anything under $350, also would i need an amp or anything considering my computer doesn’t have a sound card just inbuilt audio on the mb?
dalethorn
If the computer has USB you should be able to use something like the FiiO E07K DAC-plus-amp, and your music software and system settings should do the work getting the digital music to the USB port to feed the DAC.
Mike
John,
The DT770-80 ohm is much better than the 990 for your music. Or if you don’t mind the teenager styling, Vmoda’s M100 is excellent for your music.
For an amp something like the JDSLabs Cmoy would do.
John Newcomb
Would that be the DT770-Pro 80 ohm? They both seem around the same price if you where to ignore styling and just for pure sound quality which one would you suggest?
Mike
Yes DT770 Pro 80 ohm.
Between the two, I think the DT770 is definitely the better headphone technically, but the sound, I find the M-100 more enjoyable.
Colin
Hello. Iam a newbie on this. From this forum I got to know Cambridge Audio Dacmagic/plus or Fostex Ha-8 is one of the best dac. Should it must add a high end ampli again such as burson ha-160/Woo Audio WA6?
And this dac and ampli can be use for watching that has dts/dolby/pcm(with headphone and speaker)?
Thank you
Mike
Hi Colin,
An amplifier may or may not be necessary depending on your application.
As I understand it, most audio DACs aren’t capable of playing DTS/Dolby.
Colin
Thank you Mike for the explain.
But what does it mean`depands our applicationˊ?
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John123John
depends on headphone.
Michael
Hello,
I am looking for a way to get the most out of my Sony MDR-MA900 (which |’ve heard is not trivial to amplify). Plan to use them mainly with iMac, Cowon D2+, PC, and (rarely) iPhone 4. May anyone please advice on some more or less universal DAC/AMP solution which will be useful for most of these cases? Budget may vary from USD 200-300 to 500-600, but it would be ideal not to spend more than 400. I mainly listen to jazz and would love to try some hi-res (24 bit) recordings.
Mike
Hi Michael,
The MA900 is not difficult to amplify. It works well with a wide range of amps.
Something like the Fiio E17 should have all the connections you need for all those situations.
Michael
Thanks, Mike. I’m considering E17, but this works with at least 16-oHm headphones (while MA900 is 12 oHm). Won’t this cause any problems? And do you think it’s still worth investing in something more expensive?
Mike
I don’t think that it’s necessary to invest in something more expensive. I remember that one of the Fiio DACs have a very low OI. Maybe it’s the E07K? You should check around as I don’t have the figure on top of my head.
Michael
I haven’t found any lower number, but both iBasso D6 and D7 work from even with 8 oHms, and the price for D7 is very attractive. What do you think?
Colin
Thank you Mike for the explain.
But what does it mean`depands our applicationˊ?
John123John
Alright DALE…
Explain DIRAC DSP…
and why isnt hifi out of business yet…
http://dalethorn.com/Headphones_Top_30.txt
http://kenrockwell.com/audio/dirac/hd-player.htm
John123John
I thought it was a troll….
dalethorn
Dirac DSP, or the basic tech behind it, was described more than 30 years ago at the AES and in their journals. Think of it as a thousand-band (or greater!) equalizer, capable of smoothing sound better than conventional EQ. Dirac themselves have not only built their DSP to EQ freq. response and resonance anomalies, they apparently have decided on what they hear as a proper signature for the earphones they now support. My ears say they favor a darker bassier signature than what I’ve long understood to be neutral for headphones. But, I don’t think you’ll get a detailed explanation from Dirac, since the code behind it is proprietary. The DSP itself is probably just a many-faceted filter, but creating each DSP requires their proprietary computer program, which involves a heavy use of FFT’s etc.
John123John
Once they make on for the Beats line up… its all over…
Thats pretty crazy though. To be honest, I am not a fan of the equalizer but not because I dont believe it works, degrades the sound or anything like that.
I just like to hear things how they were made.. thats why i dont use sauces 🙂
dalethorn
If you want to hear how anything was made, you need to EQ, otherwise the ‘sauce’ that the headphone applies is what you mostly hear.
John123John
yes but i am making an assumption that I like how the headphone sounds (or doesnt sound) or how it makes me music sound which in my mind would be a mechanical equalizer.
idk i guess i just see software eq as magic or something lol ^^
dalethorn
It’s just not going to be as simple as you’d like it to be, no matter how much we wish for simplicity. The headphone is a transducer, so it lives between electrical signals (software) and physical sound waves (made by hardware). A very wise man once said about audio engineering: If you can’t get the proper output from a device as-is, then you adjust the input until the output is right. i.e., EQ. Some unavoidable facts you have to face are: You cannot find a headphone that fits your needs perfectly – there is always a mismatch, an error, a suckout or peak somewhere, until you can make your own DSP and not only account for balance across the spectrum, but correct the very narrow bandwidth resonances in the device as well.
Mike
The recording that you hear is not neutral John.
The mixing process usually applies heavy EQing.
John123John
yea I know but atleast that how the the recording engineers (or studio) want it to sound.
A(n Extreme) comparison could be subjecting a painting (work of art) to photoshop to saturate the color or whatever; not for restoration purposes.
I prefer mechanical modding rather than software i guess.
Mike
The recording engineer may be thinking about how to make the song stand out on an average car stereo system or the average boom box hence all that loudness war and that peaky treble.
They would mix differently if every car in the world comes with perfectly flat, revealing speakers and perfect acoustics.
John123John
sorry i was referring to better quality recordings (audiophile) and I might be making an assumption but I figure those arent mixed for cars but rather for hifi stereo (maybe headphones now as well). Like classical, jazz (more assumptions).
one point i would like to make is that if a reviewer uses eq, i find that the whole sound section of the review is pointless because it becomes drastically case specific.
because eq >> cables, psu, etc.
sorry i feel like this is getting out of hand.
dalethorn
I recently tuned into a well-known streaming service for classical music (spotify?) and the sound was very, very enjoyable, on more than one headphone. Getting good quality recordings makes a big difference.
L.
I agree. spotify did impress me too, I expected worse
Siddharth Mitra
umm, this might be a really basic question, but i would still appreciate your view on it. why should one go for an iem over a set of headphones or vice versa. leaving portability differences aside, purely from a scientific and ‘sound quality’ point of view, which one would you go for?
Mike
That’s a really good question and nobody has really asked that before.
So the question is, portability aside, what’s better?
Headphones have bigger drivers and so dynamics are usually better than on IEMs with their tiny little drivers. However controlling a bigger driver is also more difficult and so for the same amount of dollar it’s usually the IEM that’s more precise and less prone to issues, especially when you’re talking about a balanced armature driver which tend to be extremely accurate in itself.
Issues such as soundstage, though headphones are easily bigger, IEMs can recreate a three dimensional image with better accuracy, again due to the smaller driver being more precise.
You can extend the comparison to speakers as well and it’s mostly the same principles. Bigger drivers, bigger dynamics, more difficult to control.
Siddharth Mitra
Thanks a lot Mike!
Mike
You’re welcome
Siddharth Mitra
umm, also, I mainly listen to EDM, especially trance. So, what would you recommend as far as that genre goes. Im willing to spend around $400 for either headphones or iems. The issue is, that Im in India, and it’s not possible to actually go and check them out because of the lack of availability. I’ll just be telling my dad to pick them up from the US as he’s going for a business trip soon.
Siddharth Mitra
and also, i buy most of my music from itunes, so its not ‘audiophile like’ quality. the quality of the recording plays a major role and so i thought it might be something you would be interested in.
dalethorn
I get some tracks from iTunes, and as soon as they download, I convert them to WAV using Foobar2000. Then using the *WAV* track, I make a FLAC for archiving and desktop play, and a 320k CBR MP3 from the WAV track also. I don’t get much loss on the WAV or FLAC track compared to CD, even though it’s converted from the Apple ‘M4A’ format. Amazon’s MP3’s are not as good on average.
Siddharth Mitra
thanks, ill give that a shot.
Mike
Vmoda M100
Siddharth Mitra
i went over the review for the m100 and the ue900 again. the m100 is great for edm, but is not good at all for other genres (which i will be listening to, but occasionally). the review also points out that it isnt very comfortable. the ue900 review (done by you) says that it is pretty good for fast paced music, and other genres as well. So, wouldn’t the ue900 be a smarter buy?
Mike
I’ve listened to both and think that they are both just as comfortable and the m100 simply rocks with rock music and edm and trance, far more than the ue
Siddharth Mitra
alright, thanks again. as far as amplification goes, is it necessary for the m100s or the ues? and also, do you think it is fair to compare the two?
Mike
Light amping helps, but not absolutely necessary
Siddharth Mitra
if im honest, i am leaning a bit towards iems simply because of the form factor. pls tell me if the ue900s are the best for my needs or if there is anything else i should look into.
Mike
I thought you were thinking of the UE9000 the headphone.
The UE900 is great yes
Siddharth Mitra
well thanks mike. i think ill go ahead with the ue900’s. Thanks a lot for your help once again.
Mike
You’re welcome
Siddharth Mitra
Hey, i’ve run into a bit of a problem Mike. My parents aren’t keeping their word and are saying that iem’s for $400 is insane. 😛 So, could you pls suggest something for under $200?
Sorry.
Mike
Umm… $200 for your music, I really don’t have a strong recommendation there. The SE215 is a good all rounder and I can recommend that if you want a good all rounder, but it’s bass isn’t particularly strong and/or punchy
Siddharth Mitra
umm, not even any headphones?
Siddharth Mitra
the beyerdynamic custom one pro’s?
L.
Very good for bass heavier music. I’ve been using this one lately at work, Isolates very well too
Siddharth Mitra
anything else you can think of ‘L.’ ?
L.
DT770. Second hand HD650
John123John
woah this is getting long.
why not TF10? can be had for under 200 easy (used).
dalethorn
Play the M100 flat for electronic etc., then use “bass reducer” for everything else. With simple bass reduction, the M100 is outstandingly good for classical, rock, folk, acoustic, jazz, …. everything.
Apogee
what are the best headphones you have heard with movies?
L.
I couldn’t say which one is the absolute best. Closed I use the COP or DT770 AE, open the T90. I used to choose the LCD-2 for movies but comfort wise that was not so good, and tbh, I enjoy the before mentioned headphones more with movies
John123John
Speakers. Just kidding 😉
Honestly I find that I enjoy movies more with headphones due to the detail and isolation (?) you get. With speakers, its so easy to hear something other than the movie unless you’re alone but with headphones its like surround sound, even though its not and the sound it like catered to you. Im not sure if im making any sense.
It suppose it depends on the movie but I like Open headphones and with low end : HD 650. Not super clear though..
John123John
Hey Headfonia,
Since you guys seems to be doing some non-strictly reviews, I think a segment on how you review like your methods or maybe just how to review in general (look for treble, mids, transparency, prat) would be super beneficial to the community (Headfonians!)
There are bits and pieces of this within reviews but I think a full on (idk what are they called?) post would be nice for other to refer back to. I know there are people more or less qualified who have done such a thing but “we” want one from Headfonia ^^
Thanks
L.
John, I’m afraid we lack time to make a “manual”. Unless Mike finds some free time of course
John123John
I really need to take out the word manual .
Im not asking that you guys should be transparent (which isnt necessarily a bad thing), just asking for some pointers in how to evaluate sound.
sorry if im starting up controversy or something.
SAViii
I think these links will benefit you.
http://www.head-fi.org/a/describing-sound-a-glossary
http://www.head-fi.org/a/glossary-of-terms
L.
Thanks for sharing!
John123John
meh. i have the sound glossary already.
like how would you determine some component to be transparents because how would you ever know unless you were at the recording studio which for the sake of our sanity, would be “transparent”.
For example: “Grainy – A slightly raw, exposed sound which lacks finesse. Not liquid or fluid.” I have no idea what this means and how to listen for it.
sorry im being difficult.
dalethorn
Like most everything in life that’s complex and sophisticated, you need lots of experience and patience. Think of a review site as an art class in oil painting – if people could join the class and do some of those paint-by-number paintings, and make them look like they were done by great artists, then highly skilled artists would no longer be in demand.
John123John
I definitely respect what Mike, L, Headfonia and other reviewers are doing. When reviewers can produce unbiased reviews that dont sound pretentious and be clear on what they hear, that is one I can follow.
Been a follower of headfonia for about 2 years now. woot woot.
Mike
Thanks, John. Only by God’s grace.
L.
If possible you should try to get a popular product and try to review it yourself. Then check existing reviews and then you’ll see what they mean with the things you heard and wrote down. I think that’s a good starting point to learn
John123John
Thanks L.
Thats actually what I started doing, privately ^^. I note down things that I instantly notice: detail, soundstage, treble, bass impact usually. Then do ab comparisons for the rest.
I need more capital to work with 🙂
Mike
That’s a good point
Mike
I see. So a manual on how to do a review? I think you are taking things a little too seriously. Besides I am not sure if I know what to write.
John123John
aww come on. You know what I mean. Not a manual but like… “When I listen for mids, I listen to Men’s vocals and note the real to lifeness” or “When I listen for Depth, I listen to see how many layers of sound there are”
Totally made that up and no one should follow that.
Because honestly, when I audition headphones I only really note bass level and its punch/tightness and whether or not the trebles are shrill or bearable. I dont really know how to listen for other characteristics of sound (and I would like to).
What makes a headphone fast, what is grain and what does it sound like, PRAT?
Sorry I guess im asking for something a little weird. Basically I am asking you to write what you think about when listening headphones for review.
dalethorn
I think I understand exactly what you mean, but if you don’t have years of experience already and/or access to a hundred different headphones at least, you would be better off just comparing headphone ‘x’ to headphone ‘y’ to headphone ‘z’ and so on, saying which one does this or that better than the other. When you get *really* experienced, then you can say “Headphone ‘x’ sounds this way or that”, without the need for direct comparisons, because then you know from experience where the headphone ‘x’ sound fits in the range of sounds you know from lengthy experience.
John123John
okay then. That is what I will do. To more meets then 🙂 Just got done with T.H.E Show 🙂
Got to demo the LCD-3, Hifiman HE-6, HD800 all on the ALO Studio Six and Liquid Gold.
Ridiculous…
dalethorn
Someone asked a similar question on my youtube video for the ADL H118 headphone, so I wrote out a 6-piece example there. Just 2 things you’d want to know — I don’t always do all of those things, and not always in that order, and the second thing is, neither does anyone else probably. But maybe that can give you some ideas. I think headphones are easier to figure out than amps, for me at least, because they vary so widely in sound. But on the other hand, the way amps sound different is very different from headphones, so it’s like a whole different discipline reviewing amps, and whether you’re reviewing amps or headphones etc., it just takes a lot of time and practice. And don’t worry about getting good at it – technology is changing fast enough that there’s lots more challenges ahead.
John123John
link? if that is okay.
I havent had as much experience with amps and almost none with dacs (not something I really care about at the moment, using ODAC) as with headphones.
I just want to be able to somewhat thoroughly audition headphones based on basic criteria. I think this is extremely useful especially for meets when you are around so many different headphones and things start sounding the same and you have no idea whats going on. Also may be helping in converting nonbelievers or objectivist.
Thanks Dale
Apogee
I just was that there are two new Burson Conductor SLs on the Burson website.
L.
Yes, Burson has a new model, Mike should know more
Siddharth Mitra
On comparing the DT 1350 and the Custom One Pro’s, which one would you go for?
Mainly for edm and trance, with the occasional pop and rock.
L.
COP for sure. Never got to like the DT1350. It was missing a lot of things.
Siddharth Mitra
its good for edm and trance, right? along with rock to a certain extent.
feel free to suggest something else.
L.
Maybe the DT770 but the COP will do bass better. I have a feeling you really want something different as the COP
Siddharth Mitra
alright, thanks lieven. umm, just one final question, i have now narrowed it down to the COP and the DT 770 LE(which is still available on b&h). I will not be using an amplifier as of now. So, how critical is the usage of an amplifier for the dt 770 le (the combined review says its recommended). The only reason im considering the dt 770 le is because your ranking it above the COP as well, and you are a major fan of the COP.
thanks.
L.
It depends what you want. The COP, especially when you’re listening to music with good bass is a lot of fun but the AE is technically better. The LE (Or AE as we call it) requires an amp to sound best, the COP doesn’t need one as bad as the LE, it’s only 16ohm and is made for portability. “Audiophile” wise the AE is the better headphone, but that doesn’t mean everything
Siddharth Mitra
ahh, thoroughly confused. ill just go ahead with the COP then. around $70 cheaper as well. but then, i read the dt770 review again, and there is nothing but praises there as well. The issue is that i cant check them out personally. Just say which one Lieven, i trust you.
L.
Well do you want bass and fun or better technicalities? They both are good. If you want to use it on the go: COP. If you want the better audiophile headphone and can live with the lighter bass, go for the AE.
Siddharth Mitra
hmm, i would love both. but does the quality of the source play a role in deciding between these two, because my library is all bought off itunes. now if both play that quality of material equally well, then ill decide. however, if you can make out the ‘standard’ audio quality in any one of those two, then i wont go fo that one.
L.
The COP is the more forgiving one
Siddharth Mitra
thanks for your valuable inputs Lieven! im going ahead with the COP’s.
L.
You won’t be disappointed!
Andy
Have you guys heard the Tralucent 1plus2? If you have, what are you impressions and comparisons to other IEMs in that price tier such as the TG334s?
Mike
Yes I happen to have one for sale at the store. I don’t think it’s at the level of the Fitear. A bit overpriced imo
disqus_Yiog1GQstw
hi Dale! how are you?
I´m back again…and you know what? I still can´t make my mind…Remember I was very inclined to give to the Senn 598 a try? Well, after reading some reviews, I have realised that maybe it´s not the best cans for me…Why? bass issue…almost unanimous…lack of bass….bass could be heavier and punchier and so on…Besides, the more I read reviews of yours spreaded all over the net, the more confused I get…You have done so many accurate reviews about so many cans, as soundmagic hp100, philips fidelio etc…that it´s quite difficult not to be tempted to get all of this cans that you review…So, I decided to make the things easier, and instead asking you about the headphone X or Y, I will give you two keywords: “mids from Grado” and “bass from beyer dt770le”…please man, just give me 2 or 3 options under 220 bucks, because thIs “shot in the dark endless searching” is killing me…
dalethorn
Try the new Marshall Monitor. $200 USD, comfy, good isolation, very low leakage, awesome looks, very very portable, excellent sound, and when you wear it you will look cool because it doesn’t bulge out like a lot of headphones do. Edit: reviews are up.
Arya
Hi Mike,
Okay, I have a problem. About three months ago I bought DT880 Pro 600 Ohm with DACport. I feel it is not enough to me and i bought GS SOLO SRGII two months ago. But something is still bothering me. I feel my setup is not enough to make me enjoy the music because i feel DT880 is flat. I need bass. But the other side, i like the way DT880 produce the micro details. I like classical and mainstream songs so thats why, maybe one headphone is not enough for me.
Consider from my setup, which one is better for me? Buy HD650 or DT770? Or… Maybe I don’t need buy another headphone but amplifier? The budget < $600.
Thank you.
Mike
Arya,
HD650 and learn to hear the details that’s not necessarily in the treble. The HD650 is one of the most detailed headphones around.
Arya
Okay, i’ll buy the HD650 asap. And how about the amp for HD650? Is it okay if i paired it to GS SOLO or maybe i must change my setup to Bottlehead crack instead?
And… what happen with DT880 if I buy HD650? I just keep it or sell it immadiately?
Mike
Just go with the HD650 and see how it fits you. It may take some time to adjust to the senn after using the Beyer for so long
The amp is fine. Of course I think the Crack is better but there is no rush.
Arya
Okay. Thank you.
stupid11
Hi Headfonia. i am just wandering a good amp to pair with my humble Sennheiser HD600. i am currently thinking about Bottlehead crack, Beta22 or Hifiman EF5. i am currently using Lite Dac-60 as my source. I enjoy almost every music genre. how is these amp and do you have any other suggestion for the amp?
Dave Ulrich
As long as you are good with building it yourself, the Crack will give you amazing bang for your buck
Mike
What a nickname!
I definitely will go with the Crack
stupid11
would it be going to be too dark for a music like linkin park?
Mike
I don’t think so. The tonal is dark but wonderfully clean and clear sounding. Speed and PRaT is also pretty good for a tube.
On the topic of speed, the Speedball gives a tighter, punchier bass but less bass detail than stock. For LP, I would probably get the Speedball though if your budget is limited the stock config is pretty tight as well.
stupid11
thx for the answer Mike. is it based on the assumption of stock bottlehead crack kit or with some modification on the parts? (i.e. capacitors, resistors, etc)
Mike
Stock for stock.
I’ve yet to hear a modded Crack that blew me away.
stupid11
thanks man 🙂
Mike
🙂
stupid11
hi Mike, sorry i got more question to ask :p
after doing some research i found darkvoice 336SE. have you heard this amp before? this amp looks quite promising. 🙂
L.
We’re working on a review of the new 336C I think.
stupid11
oh nice. i’ll wait for the impression on Lafigaro first then. i hope you guys can include HD600 as one of the headphone tested with the Lafigaro336C. 🙂
cant wait 🙂
L.
I think it will be the HD650
stupid11
@dave: LOL i prefer not to as HD600 is my current favorite headphone :p. it’s okay, i wouldn’t think that there will be a very huge difference between HD650 and HD600. so i think HD650 is just good for the review :).
i hope the amp is good for vintage orthos as well.
George Lai
I resolved my HD600/650 conundrum by buying both.
Dave Ulrich
A very wise, and well thought out solution.
stupid11
too bad i dont have that much budget to resolved this problem. :p it is a matter of choice. I prefer a more neutral sounding like HD600 though.
Dave Ulrich
I only have the HD650. Unless, of course, you want to send your HD600 my way 😉
Mike
Sorry I haven’t
Dave Ulrich
The Lafigaro 336c should be an upgraded version of the Darkvoice. It is darker and more laid back than the Crack. For LP, the Crack would be my choice.
Mike
Stock for stock.
I’ve yet to hear a modded Crack that blew me away. So I suggest spending more for a good DAC rather than part upgrades.
Tak-Joon
Hey Mike,
I’m currently looking for a desktop amplifier to pair with my Denon AH-D7000 and I’ve narrowed it down to the CEntrace DACmini CX (with 1 ohm mod) and the Woo Audio WA7. The reason I chose these two amps is because they both have built in DAC as I will be listening using my computer. The genres that I listen to are EDM, Rock, Pop and Jazz. In your opinion, which of these two amps will be more suitable for the genres of music that I listen to ? Or do you have any other recommendations ? Thanks in advance
Mike
EDM and Rock, I feel that the D7000 is too laid back and something like the JVC DX1000 or LCD-2 would be more suitable. If you still want to go with the D7000 I’ll try to boost the PRaT with a Burson amp. The CX and the WooAudio amps (I’ve yet to hear the WA7) would be good with Jazz though I’m leaning toward the Woo.
Right now the Vio V800 and V200 that I’m listening to is a great pairing that covers a lot of different genres, but it’s a little expensive.
Something else around your budget is the Asus Xonar Essence One. Warmer and a bigger sound than the Dacmini, and the opamp is rollable.
Tak-Joon
Thanks for the reply, Mike. I found another combo which is in my budget: Schiit Bifrost and Asgard. What’s your opinion on that pairing ? Thanks in advance.
Mike
I haven’t heard the Bifrost and the last batch of Asgaard wasn’t so good.
Dave Ulrich
And my upcoming review of the Asgard 2 is fairly middle of the road.
Tak-Joon
Can’t wait for your review ! It might just help me to decide which amp to buy.
Dave Ulrich
Quick preview: you can do better than the Asgard 2. It does well with most things, but I haven’t found it to be exceptional at anything.
Tak-Joon
Thanks for your response, Mike. I think I will continue doing some more research.
SAViii
Hey, Mike and Lieven.
Just came across the newest article about audio cables. Now i realize the comment section is closed. However, I would like to hear your opinion to the article posted on Innerfidelity about the headphone cable measurements. I am not looking to start up any heated discussions again, just would like hear your thoughts on it:)
http://www.innerfidelity.com/content/headphone-cable-measurements-part-one-page-2
dalethorn
I read it. One set of tests with one headphone. The end. Then some discussion, by the guys that post there all the time.
John123John
Note that he does say that his equipment is not designed to measure cable different, and that he does believe different cables do make audible changes, although subtle.
Also does say part one so, not too unreasonable to expect a part two.
dalethorn
That’s good to hear. Those guys will figure it out.
Mike
Oh he did say that?
Mike
I didn’t know Tyll did an article on cables. I rarely read his site so…
ExpectationGap
Are you guys getting a WooAudio wa7 anytime soon for review? I’d like to build a small footprint desktop setup and am torn between it or the Pan Am w/passport. I’m looking to pair with lcd-2, use the alo/woo internal dac, and source from MacBook Pro & bitperfect via USB.
Mike
Sorry it’s very hard to find a woo here.
ExpectationGap
Bummer – but thanks for all the great reviews!
dalethorn
That’s the ‘Fireflies’, yes? I really want one of those, and someday I’m going to get one.
John123John
Mike,
what is your opinion on vintage audio? (ie receivers or integrated amps from the 70s.) I basically just discovered it but im not really sure if you actually have any experience with stuff like that.
Thanks
dalethorn
I know some people in Singapore, and in the Phils, who swear by some of those vintage integrated amps. I see two forces at work – the extra power to drive difficult headphones from their headphone jacks, and the peculiar sounds that come with early solid state gear. Some of it may sound good with some headphones, but in most cases I think you’ll just be hearing the vintage crossover/notch distortion reproduced in ways that aren’t familiar to modern ears, with whatever those headphone jacks blend in to soften the sound. But anything goes in gear from way back then – I think Crown and SAE were some of the worst offenders, and while Macintosh then wasn’t highly regarded among audiophiles, I think they had a good way to smooth their sound to justify their premium price. If you check Stereophile magazine from long ago, they advise about those products, but the more widely-read rags like Audio, High Fidelity, and Stereo Review were careful not to offend their advertisers.
Mike
I’ve discovered some that sounds nice. Sansui, marantz, teac. Warm and full, but usually lacking extension top and bottom and also detail, transients, and soundstage. In another word, warm and musical but low on technicalities.
Guessous Mehdi Imed
Hello Mike, looking for your impression regarding srh940 vs hd800. Especially which headphone provide the best subjective experience of speed with fast paced music like psytrance , or metal ? (i.e any fast rhythm that could provide adrenaline rush ).
Does the source have a lot of impact in the perceived speed of hd800 ?
Is it normal that I find the hd800 slower than the srh940 ?
Mike
940 is definitely better for metal and yes the speed is faster too
NHong
Hi Mike,
Love your reviews. I just have a question about portable amps — I know that you did a 12 amp shootout, but that was quite some time ago. How relevant do you think these amps still are? Are they now outmatched? Would something like the JDS C5 be better than the TTVJ Slim, or are these old amps still very good and competitive with the newer ones? I know that the Pico Slim has been out for quite a while and seems to still be well regarded. For context, I’m looking for an amp to pair with some FitEar F111s (similar to the Etymotic ER4 if that helps) for around $300. Looking for mainly a slim amp such as the aforementioned TTVJ Slim/Pico Slim/others. Thanks!
Mike
In general I find the quality of the newer amps to be better.
You have amps like the Portaphile 627 that has both power and refinement. The ALO Continental V3 and the International both being very fine amps. The RSA Intruder being significantly better than the Protector and 71B. So yes, the landscape is very different now than when I did the comparison.
On the C5 and the TTVJ Slim, I think the TTVJ is still the superior amp.
For the FitEar111, I would go with a darker sounding amp than the Pico Slim (unless you want the midrange pushed out more, then go with the Pico Slim). The RSA Shadow is a good one. IF you don’t mind the bigger size the ALO International is extremely good.
NHong
I currently have an ALO Rx (MKI), but have a chance to acquire a TTVJ Slim, which supposedly is warmer and would be a better match for my IEMs. Would you say that any of these amps would have a significant improvement over these older options? I might also look towards the Slim for the form factor and that it is relatively neutral.
Mike
It depends, some can be a big difference, some not so much. What IEM is this for? Id choose a darker amp for the 111
NHong
Yeah, it’s for the 111s. I would like a darker amp too, but the International is a bit too big for me. The only two that seem to be decently small to carry around are the Shadow and the TTVJ Slim that I can think of. Any other options? If not, then I think I’ll try to go for one of those two.
Mike
Id go for the Shadow. It makes for a good pairing with the ER4
Arvee
Hi,
maybe Lieven can answer this best, because he wrote the review on the Soundmagic Hp100. Any recommendation for a portable amp, that could add warmth, bass body and some punch to this great set of headphones? I bought them but returned them because I couldn’t get used to the bass presentation. I tried different desktop amps (though nothing ultra high end) but could reach the desired bass. Suggestions would be much appreciated. Please, I am not looking for basshead headphones, I really liked the Hp 100 except for their bass performance and lack of warmth.
Since a few days I own the bassy Fiio e11 and I pre-ordered a Centrance Hifi M8, both of which have bass boosts. Do you think these will be a decent match? Do you have any further suggestions, espescially a idevice compatible Dac/amp combo would be good.
Thanks, Lignarius
Mike
The M8 sounds like the solution for the lack of bass. Hows the bass boost on the E11?
Lignarius
I don’t really know how the interaction with the Hp 100 and Fiio e11 would be since I no longer have the Hp 100. But since I consider a rebuy, I thought the Fiio e11 might not be the worst of all choices. I know you had the chance to listen to the Hifi-M8 in Tokyo. Do you think it will be ‘powerful’ enough to add warmth and even punch? Or is it to subtle?
The Fiio e11 is quite bassy and punchy, and I also like the bass boost on level 1, of course when used with the right headphones. For most headphones I don’t really like the e11s sound signature however.
Mike
The M8 is definitely powerful but the bass boost is not that exteme. For instance i used it with a Beyer T1 and it was basically a Beyer T1. If the stock T1 sound didn’t fit me, the M8’s boost won’t change it either.
dalethorn
I was thinking the FiiO E12 would be a better complement to the HP100. The bass boost may or may not be a help itself, since I don’t think the HP100 suffers a weak bass exactly. It does lack warmth, and I thought the E12 has an overall darkness that would help on both ends of the scale. The small DACs in my experience tend to thin out the sound unless you hit a lucky combination, or just spend on a big-time DAC and amp. The E12’s extra power may be a factor too. Just be sure you can return the stuff, in case you want to really go over to the dark side with a different headphone.
L.
My E11 is out on loan but I don’t think it will do the HP100 any good. Something like a second hand C421 also should help in the bass area I’m thinking changing the headphone would be easier 😉
Guest
When I wrote: ‘Do you think it will be ‘powerful’ enough to add warmth and even punch? Or is it to subtle?’, I was referring to the bass boost on the Hifi-M8, not so much the standard mode.
Lignarius
(sorry for previous post as arvee)
Hi,
maybe Lieven can answer this best, because he wrote the review on the Soundmagic Hp100. Any recommendation for a portable amp, that could add warmth, bass body and some punch to this great set of headphones? I bought them but returned them because I couldn’t get used to the bass presentation. I tried different desktop amps (though nothing ultra high end) but could reach the desired bass. Suggestions would be much appreciated. Please, I am not looking for basshead headphones, I really liked the Hp 100 except for their bass performance and lack of warmth.
Since a few days I own the bassy Fiio e11 and I pre-ordered a Centrance Hifi M8, both of which have bass boosts. Do you think these will be a decent match? Do you have any further suggestions, espescially a idevice compatible Dac/amp combo would be good.
Thanks, Lignarius
thethirty3rd
Hey Mike,
Do you think the Pico Slim would pair well with the FitEar TG!334s?
Hoping the amp would control the 334’s slightly boomy bass and help sharpen the sound.
Thanks!
Mike
I haven’t tried it to be honest. I think it may work.
Eli Segal
Hi M/L,
What do you think will be the best amp/DAC setup for my hd650?
I want something at around 600$ – 700$
Thx
Dave Ulrich
To what kind of music do you listen?
Eli Segal
Rock/Pop/Indie – Radiohead/ Carpenters/Beatles/Foo fighters/Pavement/Deus just to name a few
Dave Ulrich
Well, if you are ok with DIY projects, the Crack is a good amp for it, and a dacport lx works well for a dac. If you aren’t in to DIY, you could try the LaFigaro 336, although it is more laid back and romantic sounding than the Crack. I actually find the O2 to work very well too, but I might get smote for that opinion,
Yongky
agree, dacport lx is a great dac, u just have to find another great amp to paired with 😀
Mike
Bottlehead Crack, Dacport LX.
Eli Segal
How this setup is compared to the PanAm or Intruder?
If it would be possible I’d like to be able to connect low impedance headphones as well (Ms1i, Hd25 and such)
Mike
The PanAm and Intruder drives both low and high impedance better than the Crack. All are excellent set ups, depending on your priorities.
DanBa
Hi Mike,
Your Google Nexus 4 smartphone using USB Audio Recorder PRO can work with USB DAC.
It should be powered by a custom kernel supporting USB OTG feature.
http://www.head-fi.org/t/595071/android-phones-and-usb-dacs/2550#post_9551762
http://www.head-fi.org/t/595071/android-phones-and-usb-dacs/2550#post_9557503
Mike
Hi,
Thanks I’m using the S4 now. Works nice but the software and cables are inconvenient for day to day use. I think it’s still best to go with an i-device Dac or stand alone DAP.
Pablo Cabanell Segarra
Hi Mike, Love your reviews, im a newbie in this world!
im planning to use a combination of Hifimediy Sabre Dac plus Jds Labs C5 plus T Peos H 200 with a S4 as source. What do yothink about the sinergy between them?
Another question: Do you think with the fiio e17 i would nottice huge improvement in SQ than Galaxy s4 alone?
Thanks
Damien Tan
Hi Mike. How do you feel the Portaphile 627 stacks up against the Triad Audio L3?
Mike
Hi Damien,
Recently had the chance to compare both.
627 is warmer more spacious more relaxed grainy
L3 is cleaner powerful dynamics
627 drives heavy orthos much better though.
Hope that helps.
Damien Tan
It does. Thanks Mike. Was expecting the L3 to win hands down based on the size and price difference so this is a pleasant surprise to hear that it’s not a one-sided comparison. Looks like I might be getting a 627X in the near future.
Mike
Yeah the size is really big I was surprised it didn’t have that much oomph for orthos.
Miles
Hi Mike/Lieven
Basically I am thinking of purchasing the HE-400’s, however I need an amp/dac combo for it. Looking around, the most recommended around the 200$ price range are the ModiMagni combo and the Aune T1. However, in your MnM article, you said that orthos should not go with either. Can you please explain why do you say so? Also, is there any other alternatives you could recommend?
Thanks in advance,
Miles.
Mike
Hi Miles,
The Magni Modi review was done by our guest reviewer Julius. I really can’t help you with that answer as I’ve not listened to the Aune and the MnM.
Dave Ulrich
The Magni is bright and sourly lacking in bass. Although I wasn’t a big fan of the fiio e9k with anything else, it was quite wonderful with the HE-400.
Erin
hi i’m looking to purchase a new pair of headphones and i was looking for some suggestions. i’m looking for reference quality cans (my budget can go as high as $1000). i’ve always been a beyerdynamic and grado fan with their more aggressive, forward, rock oriented sound, but lately my ears have started to find them a little bit on the harsh side. would anyone recommend a headphone that is still very dynamic and has punch, but also able to smooth out the treble and maybe increase the bass a little more with a warmer lusher sound. i don’t know if i’m asking for the “perfect” headphones but yea a rock headphone that could be gentler would be great.
Dave Ulrich
Maybe look at the Beyer T90, or the Sennheiser HD700.
L.
I fully agree with these suggestions, and even the HD650!
dalethorn
I forgot about the 650 – that seems like a really good suggestion.
dalethorn
I’m the same way about the harshness and treble peakiness of many of the expensive headphones. The Grado PS500 I found to be excellent, having only a bass hump around 100 hz to spoil perfection. That hump is relatively easy to fix. Now although I can’t think of another premium headphone at $1000 or less to fit your description, I’ll mention a couple of next-bests anyway. The Senn HD800 with a slight treble adjustment on that end, and a modest price adjustment on the other end, is a good honorable mention. The Shure 1840 is near perfect from top to upper bass or lower mids, but then the bass is a little weak – another honorable mention. While I found the PS500 bass hump easy to fix, I never found a satisfactory fix for the 1840’s weaker bass.
Erin
thanks for the suggestions! funny how the two headphones i’m gonna take a look at are beyers and grados haha.
Colin
Hi Mike. Iam a newbie for this. Need some help. I plan to buy Seenheisser HD 650. Can you recommend what is the best amp to use it for?
I already have Fiio E12, Can I use it(enough) to drive HD 650? How many percentage it could drive the HD 650 ability?
Thank You
Dave Ulrich
The e12 can drive the HE-6, so the HD650 should be no problem volume wise. I have never heard the e12, so I can’t speak to how well the pairing would be. For the HD650, my favorite amp under $100 is the JDSlabs cMoy. Under $200, the JDSlabs o2 (and yes I am getting a kickback for that). Taking it up to the next level, depending on your music, you have ether the Bottlehead Crack or the La Figaro 336c (review forthcoming). Both are phenomenal with the HD650. What are your musical preferences and your budget?
L.
Dave WTH are you doing!! 😉
If you want to upgrade from the E12 and go tubes, I’d say Crack or 339 or WA3, as long as it’s OTL
Dave Ulrich
The 336c is less than half the price of the 339. Plus, unlike the WA3 and the 339, you don’t have to worry about tube matching. I haven’t heard the 339 so I can’t say how much better it is (if at all) 🙂 I wish their was an easier way for the average joe to test out some of these more obscure amps. Oh, and I believe I did recommend the Crack as well.
L.
the 339 of course is better 😉 And price wasn’t an an issue he said. 😉
Colin
Price is not a problem. Also want to buy(invest) a amp that good enough for headphones and speakers(prefer if that can be used for both). Have any suggestion if amp(desktop) with a huge budget?
Anyway what’s a big different between tube amp(wa or bottlehead) & common amp(burson or fostex)?
Thank You
Mike
If price is not a problem, then go for the Bottlehead Crack. You can ask them to do the assembly for you. Add in a good DAC like the Dacport LX or if you can up the budget the Neko D100 Mk2.
Colin
Neko D100 Mk2 looks awesome. Dacport LX(portable) is also very good choice when traveling. I confuse with bottlehead crack, is that must be add soldering to max it? Why the factory don’t do that? Have any tutorial? (How about the risk for newbie like me?)
Anyway Thank You both Dave & Mike for your suggestion. If I visit Jakarta, I will play to your store Mike. Iam from Medan, Indonesia.
Dave Ulrich
Bottlehead sells DIY kits. THey can build it for you, but for a price. It comes with excellent instructions, and, especially if you have soldering experience, is worth doing. As for the D100 Mk2, Mike and I just finished a joint review, to be posted in a week or so, and we do not see eye to eye on it at all. It should make for a good read.
L.
Bottlehead no longer offers the pre assembly actually.
Dave Ulrich
I think they still will, but you need to contact them and get a quote. The thing is, Bottlehead always intended their products to be DIY.
L.
Maybe, yes. But it won’t be cheap
Dave Ulrich
True, and that does sort of defeat the purpose.
L.
My crack tubes cost like $25 in total. Great price-quality ratio
Colin
If I want choose solid state amp, what is the best for me for long term investment? A little confuse: tubes amp is always have better sound than solid state amp? And then, headphone equipment like dac & headamp can be used for speakers too?
Thank You
Dave Ulrich
The Soloist SL would be a great amp for long term investment. It sounds excellent with just about everything and it will drive just about anything. Tubes don’t always sound better. Different amps just sound different.
L.
Best depends on a lot of factors and the rest of your system. Tube amps are not always “better”, again it depends on your system and the headphones used. Dacs and some amps can be used for speakers too. Keep reading around and it will all become clear to you
Colin
I difficult to get bootlehead from here(now I domicile at China). I already search the botthehead website that they direct selling to end-user without distributor? Is this true or I missing some information?
L.
no that’s exactly how it works
Navneet Sinha
Hey guys, Urgent help needed. Plz help me decide inbetween:
1.SoundMagic PL11
2.Panasonic RP-HJE355E
3.Audio Technica CKL202
4.Philips SHE9700
5.Philips SHE6000
6.Philips SHE9550
7.Sony MDR-EX220LP
Help me decide amongst them. I’ve used SoundMagic pl21 and es18 before. Loved both of them. Want to try something new. i wanted Audio technica cor150, but its not available in India. If any other at the same price, let me know. Thanks 🙂
Mike
Sorry not familiar with any of them
John123John
So mike,
what setup are you listening to lately?
I know youre setup changed monthly, weekly, even daily but what have you been enjoying lately.
and actually, what is your “main rig”? Ever since you sold your hd800, idk what youve been listening to 🙂
Mike
That’s a nice question 😉
Fostex TH900, LCD3, ALO Studio Six and Neko D100
John123John
WOW ALO must really love you. I had a chance to listen to the Studio Six before its official announcement at a meet and that thing is HUGE. Shipping costs must be murder 🙂
Cant wait to see a review.
John123John
Also I just got through with a demo on the TH600, wow I loved it. When I put it on, I told myself this was my end game. Comfort, sound quality, reference class; for me, it had it all.
But now youre saying that you would choose the TH900 every time? Sad days sad day.
Is it a fair comparison TH600 to TH900 is what JH13 is to JH16 or even HD600 to HD650?
Mike
Hmmm.. JH13-16 is just a different tonality. HD600-650 slight tonal change and some technicalities improvement. TH600-900 is a different tonality as well as technicalities improvement.
Colin
Hello.. Who is ever compare Neko D100 mk2 vs Fostex HP-A8C? Fostex also have HP-A8(http://www.headfonia.com/creme-de-la-creme-fostex-hp-a8/) that the cheaper one? What’s the different between them?
Mike
Different sound.. probably have to wait for the full review so you can get a sense of how the D100 sounds.
breizh
Hi Headfonia !
I would like to have a short list of the better SS amps around 600-700$
Is the Burson soloist sl one of the best option ?
Would it be a real step up over the Asgard 1 ?
What would pair well with K550, DT880 (and maybe Fidelio X1…) ?
Thanks a lot !
richard
Dave Ulrich
Well, everyone’s mileage will vary, but I would rank the SL quite higher than the Asgard. The Violectric V90 might also be worth a look
breizh
oh thanks, and what do you think about Burson SL vs violectric V100 ? which is the brighter one in your opinion ?
L.
Comparative review coming up soon Between Burson and Violectric V200! Imho, Burson is brighter
Mike
True.
Dave Ulrich
Agreed. The SL was brighter than I thought it would be. Not overly so, mind you, but it wasn’t a dark amp.
breizh
ok that’s nice, thanks !
Lior Amsalem
Hi Mike!
I’m considering (well, more of decided) going
from HRT MSII with Bottlehead Crack (w. speedball and more)
to Schiit Bifrost (with the Uber upgrade, USB2) with Valhalla (the newer one with the ability to tube roll a little)
My Headphones are still my beloved HD600.
Would love to hear your thoughts, am I doing wrong? maybe I should get the Lyr instead?
Am I going backward in terms of SQ? should I invest my 1K$ budget elsewhere?
I really want to try something else, we live once 🙂
Thanks in advance,
Lior
L.
If it is just for the HD650 I would stick to the Crack and upgrade your DAC. You could also try other OTL amps like Lafigaro, Woo Audio but personally I would not go to a Valhalla
Lior Amsalem
Thanks for the reply.
I have the HD600, maybe i’ll go HD700, HD800 sometime in the far future…
What about the Lyr?
I must admit i’m in love with the Schiit stacking option (DAC + AMP). It’ll look so good next to my iMac 🙂
What about the Bifrost DAC? any objection here? I read some good reviews…
L.
I’m the wrong person to ask about Schiit gear 😉
Dave Ulrich
I am with L. Go for the Crack, although I would go with the Dacport LX over the MS2. I was just comparing the LX with the MS2+, and I find the LX to be much better, especially with the Crack. Also, just start with the stock Crack kit. Having gone back and forth a few times, I have settled on keeping it stock over the speedball.
The Schiits do look good, but I wouldn’t let that be a deciding factor. I have yet to really enjoy one of their amps. I haven’t heard the Lyr, but I seriously doubt it could touch the Crack with the HD600. I haven’t heard the bifrost either, but with the USB upgrade, it will run $200 more than a LX.
If you want a cool looking stack, you could try ALO’s Pan Am
L.
I found the LYR to be one of the most overhyped amps on the www. But that’s just me
Rūdolfs Putniņš
It used to be their most expensive and most powerful amp.
I always cringe when people recommend it to “properly” drive the HD650. DA VEIL GETS BURNED OFF YO!
Lior Amsalem
Hi Dave,
OK, you’ve got me thinking again, I’ve invest too much on my Bottlehead crack to switch to not better amp, or ever selling it!
I’ve already sold my HRT MSII and willing to upgrade it. I don’t like the Dacport LX at all. Would love to get other recommendations up to 600$.
Anyway, here are some pictures from my build:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/63914773@N02/sets/72157628389850851/
Thanks you very much!
Lior
Dave Ulrich
Hehe, not sure you want my advice. I love the dacport LX. Out of curiosiry, what didn’t you like?
Well, if you liked the MSII sound, you could try the MS2+. Maybe the Kingrex UD384? Mike and L would be more help here.
Lior Amsalem
Hi Dave,
Pulled the trigger on MSII+, thanks for the advice.
Regards,
Lior
Mike
MS Pro is supposed to be very good.
Lior Amsalem
Hi Mike,
I can actually get the MS Pro in better price then the MS+. (~100$ lower)
But probably the miniXLR to RCA cables will cost me a little.
Maybe the Ms Pro will nicer as for the option to run balanced at some point?
Dave Ulrich
Mike might have meant the Music Streamer HD, which has both RCA and XLR.
Mike
I haven’t listened to the Pro but I heard very good things about it even when not using the balanced.
Sorry I have no experience with the HD.
Hariadi Mastoyo
Hi guys. Just bought a pair of PS 1000 last week. Love the sound. I just wondering what amp to make them sound even better. Any suggestion? Thanks a lot guys!
dalethorn
I was thinking, with a strong treble like that, a good tube amp would be best, but maybe not the best for the bass, where solid state is better. Someone here should have a good suggestion, because Headfonia knows amps better than anyone.
Hariadi Mastoyo
Alo Pan Am vs Burson HA 160. Which one is better paired with PS 1000? Thanks a lot guys!
Mike
I haven’t compared the two for the PS1000, sorry.
Mike
I don’t remember if I’ve tried the PS1000 with the Zana Deux but the Zana is by far the best Grado amp I’ve tried.
Hariadi Mastoyo
How much does this Zana Deux cost? And where to find one? Thx for the info Mike.
Trent_D
http://www.eddiecurrent.com/Zanadeux.html
Be warned. It will set you back $2200 + shipping,
Hariadi Mastoyo
Ooops
rich
I also own the Grado PS1000 and drive these through the Asus Muse (see review by expertise of Mike). It sounds perfect. The bass, mids and highs are all there in their full glorious tonality. The Asus Muse is also drives my Audio Technica W3000anv very well. Both HPs are easy to drive. These phones by the way are labeled as “coloured” and not strictly neutral by self proclaimed experts at Headfi.
As recommended by Mike, I bought the Vioelectric 200 amp. This amp is powerful and is also another potential candidate. But the Asus is also a DAC and Amp. ie 2 in 1. The DAC here made the music very resolving and super smooth after a continual burn in period of a week using a CD by Sheffield. I use the Audioquest diamond USB (very expensive) or the cheaper but equally good iFi twin head Gemini USB cable. The sound is superb. Back ground: I am an audiophile (components) for 35 years but only recently take up headphone as a hobby. I have learnt a lot from Mike and others through this website. I visit their FB first thing in the morning wof.
rich
corrections: Line 4 should read ” The Asus also drives my Audio technical W3000anv—“
Mike
Thanks, Rich.
Glad we’re helping you find audio nirvana. 🙂
Mike
The Crack is okay with Grados. The other day a customer wanted to sell his RS1 Grado. I showed him what a good DAC can do by plugging it in to the Fostex HPA7. It was amazing. I can’t say if it’s the ideal combo for the PS1000 but it definitely worked with the RS1.
You need to find a way to demo the headphone with different amps. I don’t come across the PS1000 very often so I’m not so sure about it.
Hariadi Mastoyo
How ’bout Crack doing with PS1000? I’m really into simple design.
Trent_D
I haven’t heard it, but the Bottlehead SEX amp is suppose to be the one to use with low impedance headphones.
Steve
Any suggestions for best value DAC and extension cable to watch movies/TV using optical audio out from TV? I’ll be using Logitech UE 900’s.
Thanks!
Mike
Steve,
Check out the topping D2 here http://www.headfonia.com/affordable-digital-to-analog-conversion-topping-d2-and-d20/
The problem would be getting the optical cable in non-standard lengths though.
I actually recommend the Sennheiser RS170 to customers who are looking for headphone solutions for the TV. It’s similar to the RS180 (http://www.headfonia.com/sennheiser-rs180/) but the 170 is closed-back.
Steve
Thanks Mike!! Great find! The Topping D2 looks like it has all the features I need to use my current headphones with my flat screen TV.
Couldn’t connect to the Sennheiser RS170 link but found the RS180 and 220 review. Do you recommend the FiiO D07 with the RS170? Why do you prefer the RS170 to the RS120 or RS180?
Mike
The RS170 should have its own DAC built in so no need for the Fiio.
RS180 and 220 should have better sound but most people seem to want a closed-back for watching TV especially at night. only the RS170 comes with closed-back.
Gabriel Ross
Mike and Staff, My 5th Gen. iPod is dying. Which [newer] iPod Classic do you suggest?
Mike
Umm I don’t really compare Ipods but the 6th Gen I use has been quite good for an ipod
Matt
I have a Denon D7000 and a Fiio e17. Do you recommend setting to 0db gain, or 6db?
Mike
I haven’t tried the e17 with the Denon but if 0 gain is enough it should give cleaner sound than +6
Trudy
Hi, I just recently bought a pair of Senn HD650s and I was wondering if the Sony PHA-1 dac/amp would work well with these headphones and my iPod?
Mike
Let me give it a try and get back to you as I have both in the store.
Mike
Just tried it, Trudy.
Enough loudness yes but not exactly a good set up to listen to.
Trudy
Would you recommend any alternative portable dac/amp that could power these headphones? Thanks!
Mike
Well so far we have the choices from: (the ones that has an amp built in) Fostex
Sony
VentureCraft
Vmoda
and Furutech
The only one I haven’t tried is the Vmoda. Other than that I don’t think that the built in amp on these are good enough for driving a proper full size headphone. Hence I would still add an amp on top of the DAC. There are plenty of amps that can drive the HD600/650 so you have many to choose from.
George Lai
Not even the ADL X1, Mike? Enough power in the amp I mean for full sized headphones?
Mike
I mean they can all drive full sizes to full loudness, but not an ideal kind of a pairing. Perhaps with the exception of some light to drive full sizes like the Beyer 770 AE and AKG K550.
George Lai
I see. A pity because I believe, though I might be wrong, that with the X1 amp you can connect headphones with mic to an iPhone and the mic still works. This could be useful when you are listening to music and a call comes in. With other amps or DAC/amps I have to quickly pull out the headphone jack and the earpad off my ear to answer that call. Talking of the Beyer 770 LE, I’m thinking of getting rid of that and a 880 (250 ohms) as a bundle. It’s a pity your shop is not in Singapore for me to do a trade-in.
Mike
Do you know if the M8 allows the use of a mic as well?
Yeah, sorry about the store location. You’re trading in the LE and the 250Ω for the X1?
George Lai
I don’t know about the M8. I shall ask when I go see it at the Mook Headphone Festival in Singapore this weekend. As for the two Beyers, I just find I don’t use them as much as my other favorite headphones.
George Lai
I went to the Mook festival and had an interesting chat with Jerry Harvey. Back to the M8, as far as the exhibitor from Jaben could tell, a mic-equipped headphones’ mic will not work. Anyway the M8 will take a while to hit our shores. As for the LE and 250, I’ve just put it on ebay. Both are still under warranty.
Mike
Forgot one, the Centrance M8 is plenty powerful. I’m listening to one right now with the LCD-3. 12 O’clock at high gain.
dalethorn
I don’t have the HD650, but I don’t think the Verza would be a good choice unless you keep the volume at moderate levels.
Trudy
Thanks Mike =]
would you recommend any portable dac with a separate amp to go along with my headphones then? i just want my audio set up to be as portable as i possibly can while still truly bringing out the beauty of the 650s sound. by the way shout out from malaysia!!
Mike
Personally I still like the sound of the CLAS best. As for the amp the HD650 sounds good with anything as basic as the Cmoy or ALO National.
Trudy
Hey Mike! Last question I promise =]
This is the setup I’m probably going to use for my audio setup. Ipod + CLAS + Portaphile 627 + HD650. I’m probably going to upgrade 650’s stock cable with Moon Audio’s famous dragon cables as well. Do you think this setup would fully bring out the 650’s potential or do you still think the portable set up would limit the headphones and I should just invest in a desktop dac/amp?
Mike
Trudy the HD650 should sound very good out of that set up. If you want more treble in the sound use Moon’s Silver Dragon. Personally I like Cardas better than Moon.
If you can go with a desktop set up the Crack will still give you a better sound, paired with a good $300 DAC.
Xiao
Mike, what is your personal portable set up with the HD650?
Mike
I don’t have a personal portable set up with the HD650 as it’s a full size, but when I do use it for portable duties I move around between different amps. As been covered before a basic JDS Cmoy with OPA2227 works great with it and if I want to use the more expensive amps I can go for the International or RSA Intruder.
Lior Amsalem
Hi,
I have a pair of Momentum for outdoor/traveling/office use.
The Nexus 4 I have is not strong enough (Volume wise).
Some songs are ok and many are too low even on maximum volume.
I’d like to add a nice amp to the setup… target is not exceeding 100$ (well, maybe 150$ if it’s really worth it)
I also care about work hours per charge – must be > 50 hours.
Recommendations?
Thanks!
dalethorn
The PA2V2 is a very nice amp and goes 100 hours. It’s also very small. Most of the rechargeables don’t last as long as they claim, but the PA2V2 does, and its rechargeable batteries are replaceable anyplace that sells AA NiMH batteries.
Ike
Hi Mike! My HE-300 just broke with no reason. One side of headphone cracked from its headband as i saw the plastic attached to the head-height adjustment broken when i was listening to the music. I bought it just last year (Jul2012). Does the quality of this brand always like this? If it couldn’t be fixed, what should i look for a new one? (Sennheiser HD-650 or other model of full size headphones (budget would be around 500-600$)) And I like the sound of HE-300 (warm with detail). Pls advise me. Thanks!
L.
Have you tried the HE-400? Sennheiser HD650, Philips X1, Momentum? B&O H6, DT770 AE?
Mike
Try the HD650, the sound signature is quite close and the build quality is much better than the Hifiman.
Ike
Thanks Mike!
And how about K550 with the price cheaper (compare to HD650)?
Dave Ulrich
The K550 review has a comparison, but briefly: the K550 is cleaner, more detailed with a more accurate sound stage. The HD650: slightly more open sounding, much better bass impact, more full bodied sound. I prefer the HD650, but the K550 is very nice.
Mike
The K550 is a nice headphone though lately people seemed to start notice the lack of bass impact and so it hasn’t been so great (at least with the customers in my store).
John123John
Headfonia,
I just sold my HD650s. I feel like crying.
What do I replace it with? another HD650?
Thanks,
L.
Bad idea indeed 🙂
Do you want the same signature, a step up? Lots of people go to the LCD2 from the Senns, but it’s often a different kind of amplifier as well. Why not T90 or HE-500, or even HE-400 if your budget is lower.
Easiest would be to buy another HD650 of course 😉
John123John
I honestly feel like im going to repurchase the hd650. Its sound is just too special.
The lcds were cool but comfort (weight) was just a little too meh. Ive come to realize how important comfort is in a headphone.
I have never heard the HE-400, always just skipped it for the HE-500 lol. Hmm I am interested in the T90. maybe T70 too?
L.
I would pass on the T70. Very analytic, No fun. Great for classical
John123John
L,
How would you compare the HE-400 and DT770AE?
and if I really want to step up: HE-500 and T90?
Thanks L.
L.
Coming from the HD650 I wouldn’t recommend going to the AE, it’s just not at good. HE-400 has the typical ortho sound, very clear, good bass, linear. The AE has been described already. Like Mike says it’s preference but I would give the HE400 a higher ranking
T90 vs HE-500: you keep comparing orthos to dynamics, which you shouldn’t 😉 Both have a huge soundstage. HE-500 has smoother mids. T90 has the hotter treble. Bass is good on both but sounds different. Not overpowering on either. T90s bass is tighter, HE500 goes deeper. I love both headphones, they are my top 2.
John123John
Thank you L. Thats what I want to hear: HE-400 > 770AE, not this HE-400 < 770AE business (MIKE).
lol anyways. You're right, im always comparing planars to dynamics.. Thanks for that comparison though. Seems like I cant go wrong with either.
I think I will try to get the HE-400. If I find that I dont like it, I will move on to the T90. If that fails, TH900. okay cool.
Mike
Ugh there goes my recommendation!
George Lai
Mike, could you do a small favor for me? What is the internal diameter of the HE-400 ear pads? Is it bigger than the 770LE? Would you believe I can’t find an HE-400 to test in Singapore?
Mike
Approx ~7cm. I don’t have the 770LE so I can’t help you.
L.
I would say 5.5 to 6cm measured on the inside. Now I’m just teasing you Mike 😉
I don’t have the AE with me right now
George Lai
Mike, Lieven. There’s a big difference between 5.5/6 and 7. I have the AE and the 880(250) which I’m trying to get rid of.
L.
well check out the pic of the He-400 with velour pads. Probably Mike checked the pleather pads. Why do you need the earcup space to get rid of those 2 headphones actually?
George Lai
Oh I see. I didn’t realize the earpads are so different in size between pleather and velour. Okay I admit I have big ears but we all know comfort comes a close second to sound quality. The velour on the 880 pinches the lower part of my ears whilst the pleather on the LE is actually smaller. I put in the 880 velour pads but the LE sound is not so good after that. The only headphones I have with big enough earpads are my HD600/650, X1 (just), and D2000. Sigh.
L.
And the HE-400 comfort isn’t that good, I don’t like it. the HE-500’s are much better for some reason
George Lai
You sure make my life difficult, Lieven. Now I’ll have to look at the HE500, HD700, LCD2.
L.
Sorry man 🙂
John123John
Interesting….
How do you like hifiman’s comfort in general compared to something like beyerdynamic or denon?
L.
Compared to Beyer, Senn or even Denon (being 10/10) the HE-400 gets a 6 and the he-500 an 8
John123John
Seems like you should be looking at more oval earpads instead of circular like Hifimans.
I believe the Alpha Pads are slightly smaller than the Denon pads.
thats pretty nutz though… I consider the 880s, the most comfortable headphones except maybe the hd800.
oo those will definitely be big enough 🙂
is depth a problem for you as well?
George Lai
Well, we can’t help what ears we are born with I guess. Depth is less of an issue though there are shallow ones like Sony MDR-1R that are uncomfortable after half an hour or so.
L.
I dreamed of owning the HD800 last night. Waking up wasn’t fun.
dalethorn
I had the HD800 for 3 years but never used it, because it wasn’t easy to move around. Very bulky, big bulky cable, but extremely comfortable. The SQ is so good you can hear the difference on an iphone in a quiet room.
George Lai
You know you’re an audiophile when you dream of headphones rather than women 😉
L.
hahaha. Who says I didn’t do that as well 😉
L.
Sorry Mike. I’m taking over. Didn’t you get the memo? 😉
L.
Yeah, what does Mike know anyway, right? 😉
rich
I also feel that the T70p is somewhat thin in the mids. The highs sparkles. Bass is quite tight.
I later found out that the T70p’s strength is to use this with portable devices like iPod Classic, iTouch or iPhones and Sony players etc.
Recently, I bought the AK120 which can drives directly the T70p very well. I was about to write this T70p off until I discovered that this is an excellent match with portables. So had I made a rash decision, the T70p would be sold to willing parties who like the sound signature or cold storage or lastly given away to friends
I know your’s is the T70 and not T70p ( p stands for portability). So maybe there might be a difference here.
Mike
Yes it’s not easy to replace the HD650
dalethorn
Look on the bright side. You just unloaded ancient history, and now you have the opportunity to broaden your experience with newer products, and amps too! I like L’s suggestion of a good planar. Take your time and don’t rush it.
John123John
Yea the planars seem to be the way to go.
Planars seem to be a bit amp picky though which would lead me to an amp budget along with a headphone budget.
I have always been interested in the Tesla line as well.
im kind of depressed lol
dalethorn
My advice (if that’s OK, it’s free anyway) is really take your time and don’t hurry. Get the best planar or other headphone you can afford, then look for amps. From what I’m hearing lately, the amp synergy is hard to predict, and I get opposite results from what I expect with certain headphones.
John123John
Headphone budget. Amp Budget. Sigh.
I am currently rocking the Objective Stack (sorry guys) but want to go (sometime far into the future) WA6 or WA22 (always wanted a woo), Burson Soloist (always wanted a Burson) and ALO PanAm. Always wanted a Bifrost as well.
anyways, i feel like these are such “what if”s that it would be too much to buy a headphone based on these wants. Hoping for the best though.
Mike
I’ve had pretty good results pairing the planars with vintage A/V receivers, Sansui, Technics, etc.
John123John
Yea ive heard about that too.
There are many who are running planars off of speaker amps. That seems a bit much though. Too trendy for me lol
Mike
I didn’t mean running the headphones off speaker taps, rather the headphone out on vintage A/V receivers.
John123John
hmm. Do you think I should include the SoundMagic HP200 and DT770AE into the mix? or am I just downgrading.
dalethorn
I’m convinced that the Beyer C.O.P. is not only better than any of the 770’s, I’m convinced it’s a true high fidelity headphone that is merely less detailed than the Tesla series, for example. The DT770LE midrange is significantly colored, and the high freq. peak around 9 khz is annoying. The COP is smoother, even if it’s supposed to be worse because it’s cheaper. The HP200 is one of those “fun” listens as they say, but the HP100 is closer to neutral, although the HP100 needs some midrange EQ for long term satisfaction – still, I’ve played it for short periods of a few days and it sounded OK. The B&O H6 continues as one of my favorites, and the ATH ESW9a is staying around my house for good. If I were spending up to maybe $1000 USD, the new version LCD2 or TH600 would be on my list to evaluate. For less than $1000 but more than HD650 money, I’d consider the Beyer T90, but I would probably have to EQ the HF peak it has. The Grado PS500 is very nice, but the bass hump would have to go, even if the only reason was because the low bass is barely enough and the hump tends to mask much of the lower bass. Stay tuned also for the new Senn Momentum on-ear. Some of the HiFiMan headphones – the HE500 maybe? – might be good if you wouldn’t mind making whatever adjustments are needed.
L.
I think the COP and AE are fairly close but would give the edge to the AE. The COP is the more fun however. I do think on the other hand the T70 and T90 have a reasonably big margin when it comes to detail retrieval & sound stage compared to the COP.
dalethorn
If I had another $3k to spend, I might buy a T1 and whatever amp was a good match, then work on taming the treble if need be. The Tesla detail is great, even on the little DT1350.
John123John
I noticed you dont review desktop amps. not your cup of tea?
dalethorn
Almost everything electronic I own I can carry on me when I leave the house. I would still love to have either an HD800 with a WA7 Fireflies, or SR009 with the Blue Hawaii amp, if only I would use them enough to justify the cost. But the portable (or near portable) gear is getting better every month, so I’m going to stick it out there for the meantime.
John123John
Thank you for your response. Appreciate that.
Seems like Beyer figured something out cause all their new headphones are “good” 🙂
For $1000, I would definitely go TH600 although it would be hard to pass up the HD800 and T1 just because they are legends.
Yea it really looks like planars are the way to go if I want detail (black background) and quality bass. Seems like Im leaning towards HE-400 but why is it blue….
oh and I already have the momentums 😀
Mike
John,
The TH900 makes for a perfectly good replacement.
John123John
lol. Thanks mike.
I havent heard it but I did hear the TH600 and liked it alot. Much more than the HE-500 and LCD-2…
Im still not ready to spend that much on one headphone though. sigh.
Mike
Yeah its expensive alright.
John123John
(ill just reply here)
I am considering the Fidelio X1, HE-400, T90 and Mad Dogs at the moment and its a toss up.
Seems like the X1 and HE-400 being slightly similar to the HD650 and also more of a sidestep than anything. Perfectly fine with that btw.
You didnt really enjoy the Mad Dogs which makes me sad but I have been hearing good things about it. Wish you got to try a later version too. I briefly auditioned it and found it enjoyable.
The T90 is a bit of a jump up, seems to be more of a reference class which is a good thing, but am very interested in Tesla.
Mike
I don’t know how the later Mad Dogs sound but I did listened to the version with the updated pads, it changed the sound to be fuller on the middle but less clean sound overall. I thought the version with the first pads sounded better.
John123John
hmm.. Cant get a headphone that doesnt have Mike’s blessing.
I think the contenders are Fidelio X1 and HE-400. Actually the DT770AE might overtake the X1. Would you say that the DT770AE has more detail than the X1?
Why is the HE-400 better than either, if it is?
thanks mike
Mike
The HE-400 is fun but I like the DT770 AE better. Something to do with my preference for dynamic drivers.
The AE is probably my favorite out of the lot there.
Hendy Ravenda
Mike, where can I get an ODAC in Jakarta? Thanks, (hrav-at-me.com)
Mike
Sorry no store that I know of.
Mike
Hi,
Sorry that was a very long post and a bit hard to follow to be honest.
1. What is BRAINWAVE ENTERTAINMENT?
2. The ATH A900X and 1000X are pretty large headphones and among the largest out there. I haven’t tried the newer X models but the non-X models are quite good.
3. It’s hard to find a headphone large enough that allows for no contact inside the headphones. I think all full size headphones still contact your ears on the inside.
4. Your post was really long and it’s hard for me to give one precise recommendation but maybe you can start with something like the Senn HD600/HD650s with the JDSLabs Cmoy amp. It’s a solid and well-tested set up that has stood the test of time.
clsmooth229
Hello Mike,
BRAINWAVE ENTRAINMENT (entertainment+training) music/audio programs have an influence on the listeners brain. Your brain has nerve cells that fire electrical signals and oscillate in distinctive arrangements called brainwave patterns. These patterns are closely connected to your thoughts, emotions, moods, biological chemistry, everything you do, how you act, and really, everything you are. (Delta 0-4Hz, Theta 4-7Hz, Alpha 7-13Hz, Beta 13-40Hz) Brainwave Entrainment can create whole brain synchronization as well. Highly recommandable benefits, worth checking it out!
QUESTIONS: Please let me know aubout best desktop amps for HD 650, ATH AD 900/1000, Philips Fidelio X1, Beyer 880,T90. Price up to $350. My source is an Okyo C7070.
Thanks CL
Mike
CL
I can’t give you a straight answer on what the best desktop amp is for the HD650, ATH AD900 etc. Many different choices and generally good desktop amps are priced upwards of $350.
One set up that I can recommend is the Fiio E9K + E7K.
http://www.headfonia.com/e7e9-reloaded-andes-and-qogir/
Jason Teo
Hi Mike, thanks for all your great reviews. Which portable/transportable amp would you recommend to drive the he6s and iems with equal aplomb? And I don’t just mean volume… Thanks!
Mike
The best one I tried was the Portaphile 627.
http://www.headfonia.com/possibly-the-best-the-627/
2nd best probably is the ALO Rx Mk3B
http://www.headfonia.com/the-power-pack-alo-rx-mk3-b/
Jason Teo
Thanks Mike. I have the hm901 with the same 627 opamp in my balanced amp module. Do you think getting the portaphile 627 will be worth the cash as an external amp in this setup?
Mike
Jason,
I haven’t tried that set up but if you check on the portaphile review, the reason the 627 is so powerful is that it has 3 buffers, one for each channel (active ground set up). I’m not familiar with the 901’s balanced amp module (share me some info on it?) but I have a feeling the portaphile is more powerful.
Jason Teo
The hm901 balanced card has 2 627 and 2 634’s. power is certainly lacking compared to the portaphile (they themselves tell me it can’t drive their he6). But for iems this is not an issue and that’s my chief usage, so I’m wondering if the portaphile is a worthwhile investment given similar opamps and buffers..
Jason Teo
Sorry, make that 4 x 627 and 4 x 634. 2 per channel.
Mike
Jason,
That should be very powerful.
Jason Teo
Correction- that is in balanced mode. In single ended mode it uses half of that.
More broadly though, will the differences in sound signature be enough to justify an upgrade, given they (hm901 and portaphile 627) use the same opamps and buffers?
Mike
The original 627 has a mid centric sound with a beautiful tubey midrange and an extremely spacious soundstage. The 627X has a more flat sound with better low bass reproduction. The sound of both are quite different from the HM901 I listened to in Tokyo and I still prefer the original 627 for driving the HE-500 and HE-6.
Jason Teo
Thanks Mike. Do you prefer the 627 or the 627X? I didn’t realise they sounded different!
Mike
I still like the 627 original better.
Jason Teo
Thanks Mike. Ordered a 627 to pair with my Hifiman’s now! 🙂 looking forward to them- I’m a great fan of the 627 opamp sound.
Mike
You’re welcome! I hope it sounds good on your set up!
George Lai
When listening out of a headphone amp that’s fed a signal from an iPhone’s headphone out jack, what are the relative volumes for the two volume controls? I presume one leaves the weaker amp (the iPhone’s) at a certain level and adjust listening levels with the more powerful headphone amp, but what level is recommended?
Mike
Set the Ipod volume around 75% to 100%, try to keep the amp at low gain. That’s the general rule.
With different source amp combinations the rule may be different for instance with the Vio V200+V800 I get better results by maxing the volume on the amplifier and controlling the volume on the DAC section.
George Lai
Interesting. I would have thought it was better to minimize the volume on the iPhone’s cheaper/weaker amp and using more volume on the more expensive/better headphone amp. Thanks.
Mike
You can do that too and see if the result is better. It depends on the amplifier. Often the dynamics would be weaker with that configuration and the noise floor higher but at the same time you may get better detail retrieval.
The maxxing out the volume on the Ipod method is just the more mainstream way of doing things.
John123John
Typically “they” say to max out all the volumes until right before the transducer (headphone/speaker). Thats how you keep the signal as pure to source as possible? something like that. no lost bits or minimal, etc.
So using a pc: Max volume control, max music player control, max dac volume (if able) and finally use your amp as volume.
This doesnt always work due to (gain?) there not being enough room on the dial (goes from silent to super loud with the slightest touch).
I found that If I maxed out my ipod’s volume, it was distort so I moved it to about 90%.
dalethorn
I think you’ll find that’s a losing battle, having two amps plus volume controls in series like that. Anytime you are carrying a miniplug cable for the headphone jack you could keep a short LOD cable in the same place.
dalethorn
Get a FiiO LOD cable, short as possible.
George Lai
Hello Dale. Oh I have a few LOD cables but I was curious as to the relative settings when I’m caught without my LOD cable on me. Thanks anyway. Cheers.
Bill Clay
Hi Mike and L. Love the site! I bought a bottlehead crack and a dacport lx for my Sennheiser hd650 partly on your recommendation. I love it. However, we don’t have very much space. My wife is expecting our third, and the kids we have are always trying to play with my amp and cords. I was thinking of selling the crack and dacport and getting a pam am. Would I be losing a lot with that trade, or would it be roughly equal? What would the pluses or mineus be? The all in one design, tough build and very small size are quite appealing to me in my position. What do you think? THanks in advance.
Mike
Bill,
The PanAm is good and yes the form factor is much smaller. It’s a good pairing for the HD650 though not as good as the Crack.
Mike
One thing you’ll be losing is soundstage which the Crack totally excel at with the HD650.
Other than that there are differences in sound signature.
Song Kyung-han
While reading your review of Studio Six, you mentioned that your previous amp Zana Deux was one of the best tube amps you’ve heard. I own the ZDSE (SE version has a low gain setting for low-impedance headphones) which I purchased to drive my TH900, and now I’m also using an HD800 with it.
My question is, when you reviewed the original Zana Deux, did you try out HD800 with it? If so, would you say that ZD was one of the best amps for the HD800 you listened to?
Also, if you were to own just one particular headphone that sounded the very best with ZD, which would you recommend? For example, the ZD may be an ideal amp for, say… the HD600, but the HD600 may not be an ideal headphone for ZD because there are many more expensive, overall higher performance headphones out there. On the other hand, a headphone like LCD-3 may be one of the best headphones in the market at any price point, but it is also not an ideal headphone for ZD because of its low efficiency as an orthodynamic headphone (ZD doesn’t have enough current drive to get the best out of orthos, spec-wise). What was the ideal headphone for the ZD, in your long-time experience with it?
Mike
The ZD was excellent for the HD800 and HD650/HD600 as well as HD598 and the Grados. Definitely among the best amp for those headphones. It may’ve worked well for the Beyerdyanamics as well but I’m not a big fan of the Beyer sound aside from the LE.
Going the other way, I really can’t say what the best headphone is. I definitely spend time with the HD600-650-800 most but between the three it depends on your preference on what kind of a sound you want.
Song Kyung-han
I picked up an HD650 today. Strangely, while the headband of my HD800 says “made in Germany”, the HD650 seems to be made in Ireland. Is this normal? I’m just worried that I may have bought an inauthentic (in other words, fake) HD650.
Also, did you try using an aftermarket cable with HD650 and noticed an improvement in sound? If so, which cable(s) did you use?
L.
HD650s are always made in Ireland. I would worry if they weren’t but you’ve got a real one just based on that.
I’m using it with a self made cable making sound a bit clearer, I did not buy an aftermarket cable from one of the reputable sellers for the HD650
Hendy Ravenda
Mike, what do you usually listen to? I don’t mean by when you are reviewing a product, I mean when you are enjoying good music.
Mike
My main music is Beethoven and Bach and the other composers. Tchaikovsky, Mozart, Chopin, Liszt, Rachmaninov, Gershwin etc.
Then I have the more mainstream music genres, Rock, Jazz, Alternative, Indie, Electronic. Some names include Muse, Diana Krall, Eric Clapton, Coldplay, Beatles, Prodigy, Incubus, etc. I tend to gravitate towards the more established bands. New artists can be fresh but often most of them are one time hits and their music gets old very fast. Some bands like Nirvana have very deep music but I don’t like the effect that their music do to my emotions — so I pay attention to that as well since this is something I do every day.
For Jazz I like the older stuff rather than the newer contemporary/smooth/easy listening stuff. Miles Davis, Hancock, Coltrane, there are a lot of good stuff with the older Jazz recordings especially when you go to Japan they have all the recordings nobody else in the world has.
Then I listen to what my customers at the store listen to. Lots of Jpop fan, Metal fan, Hard rock fan, and the average Pop music.
Then I also listen to the Audiophile recordings since those are a whole different type of recordings. James Ingram, Chie Ayado, etc.
Dave Ulrich
I am really worried that I don’t see the name Mahler on that list…
Mike
To my ears, Mahler’s music doesn’t have a sense of coherence. Bach is the total opposite.
John123John
Hey mike,
I read that word in a review the other day and couldnt really figure out what it meant sonically.
Thanks
Mike
According to the dictionary it’s “the quality of forming a unified whole”.
The easiest example is in an IEM with multi driver set up, you don’t get the impression that the sound is coming from from one source but rather different sources. An even easier example is an IEM with different driver mixed in, like a balanced armature + dynamic aka the AKG3003. Dynamic drivers have their own sound and so is BA, so you would hear the treble to have a BA character where the bass sounds like a dynamic driver bass.
The problem also happens in amplifiers too. I find amplifiers with a lot of separate components to lack a sense of coherency. This is because electronic components vary in values and when you combine that together and with a high parts count it’s usually impossible to match the parts, you get an incoherent sound that though each frequencies and instruments are resolved with good definition, they don’t form a unified whole. In this aspect op-amp based amplifiers are good since you almost always get a better coherence factor.
Some sources are also more coherent than the other. The Altmann Tera for instance is the most coherent sounding player out there.
dalethorn
It makes your job very difficult when you can’t describe the problems accurately. At least when I listen, if it’s a $100 amp and it sounds perfectly coherent, I’m sure they’re hiding something.
Dave Ulrich
I love them both.
dalethorn
Mahler’s songs are good – Fischer-Dieskau etc. The symphonies are hard to follow if you don’t dedicate a year to each one.
Dave Ulrich
I can’t agree with that. The first time I heard Mahler’s 5th, I knew. Or Klaus Tennstedt live recording of his “Resurrection” symphony. That made me weep. Or try Kondrashin’s recordings of the 1st or 7th.
dalethorn
Thanks – that should keep me busy for a year or two.
John123John
Lol. idk whats going on but lol.
dalethorn
Mahler is (just my impression) a deeper subject than most of what is popularly known by Bach and Beethoven – some of those 2 men’s compositions are known among classics buffs as ‘Warhorses’. Mahler can be very rewarding though, especially if you get some really good quality recordings. I have a songs collection sung by Fischer-Dieskau recorded in 1990 – excellent. I have symphony 1 and 2 with Michael Tilson Thomas that were recorded by or engineered by or later distributed by (don’t remember which) Cookie Marenco of Blue Coast records. These are 96k WAV downloads, and I believe you can even buy DSD format.
Dave Ulrich
Almost all of Beethoven’s bigger works are considered warhorses. The sad exception being his first two symphonies. I understand why, but I wish his first would get more attention then it does. I also do understand the difficulty of Mahler. Although I think his fifth symphony is the greatest piece of music ever thought up by a human, and I find it endlessly rewarding, exciting, moving, etc, it isn’t an easy piece of music. David Hurwitz of classicstoday.com noted in a review not long ago that great performances of that symphony are difficult to come by. It is huge, difficult to balance, very taxing on the strings. You are likely to see Beethoven’s fifth come and go several times before your local symphony does up Mahler’s. It doesn’t make good background music. I just don’t agree that his symphonies are hard to follow without setting aside a year for each (hyperbole I know). There is more there than you can hear on one listening, but even on the surface, there is so much fun to be had.
dalethorn
Your favorite Mahler fifth, sir?
Dave Ulrich
Hmmm, good question. I really like Barshai’s recording, but his finale is too measured. Too controlled. Overall, I would say… Levine’s recording with the Philadelphia Orchestra. He might be a touch long in the adagietto, but the rest of the performances cooks. Oh, since you mentioned him, I just listened to MTT’s performance of Berloiz Symphonie Fantastique. It was terrific!
dalethorn
I got the MTT/SFS – listening now.
Dave Ulrich
Of Mahler’s 5th or Berlioz Symphonie Fantasique?
dalethorn
Just the Mahler 5th, I finished it, very impressed.
Dave Ulrich
Glad you liked it!I haven’t heard that performance myself. The critics put it somewhere in the middle, but who can trust them? Still, even though it is a very long and dense piece of music, and having listened to it more than a dozen times in the last few months, I still hear sometime new every time, on the surface, it is still supremely musical.
dalethorn
Listening again now. I think it’s safe to say that MTT is mellowing in his later years, and this rendition, while it’s very sensitively played, it’s pretty conservative – no rough edges. I’m not that familiar with a lot of conductors, but I’d say Karajan or Solti would rip through this with more dynamics.
Dave Ulrich
Karajan has a very highly regarded performance of this. Bernstein’s second with Vienna is really good as well. I am still favoring Levine’s though.
Back on MTT, have you heard his Rhapsody in Blue?
dalethorn
No, but my finger is on the order button – please standby….
Dave Ulrich
Oh, you pull that trigger. It is my reference recording. Anything else in your sight?
dalethorn
So far I have the MTT Rhapsody from the New World Jazz album, but there are other versions – San Fran sym., L.A. Phil., etc.
Dave Ulrich
I have the one he plays with the New World Jazz band. I love it.
Mike
Mahler is a great composer and his music is good, but it lacks coherence, it’s trying to be too wide. Also I don’t like the energy that the compositions give. It’s too dark for me.
Beethoven is different. He’s very positive and optimistic.
Bach’s music is perhaps best from this point of view. Very divine. You can’t get that anywhere else.
Dave Ulrich
Without darkness, there can be no light. Beethoven’s two most famous symphonies (the 5th and the 9th) begin in despair and earn their joyous ending. Mahler I find to be similar in a lot of his works. He does have some music(his 6th per example) that does have a bleaker ending, but I don’t think it is fair to call him that much darker than Beethoven. You want dark, let’s talk about Shostakovich. That is why I often have trouble getting into Mozart. His music sounds so easy and effortless, that there is no great struggle. Facile is the word for it.
Where I think Beethoven has an advantage over Mahler is in the form (and this is Beethoven’s genius). Listening to Bernstein talk about it, his music is so unpredictable, but so right. In Beethoven, unpredictable inevitability isn’t an oxymoron. As a result, Beethoven’s symphonies can survive a bad performance. I heard a fairly limp performance of Eroica last year, and it was still completely listenable.
A bad performance of Mahler, however, is a 50 to 100 minutes train wreak. It needs a conductor who understands the music, how to balance it and how to cohere it into a whole. That isn’t any small feat. Composition was Mahler’s summer job. His main living was as a conductor. He was considered maybe the greatest conductor of his day. He knew how to play the music he wrote. Many don’t. I think that is why Mahler has the reputation for being difficult to listen to. If the musicians don’t get it, they pass the trouble onto the listener
As far as I am concerned, we are comparing two different flavors of awesome. I think these are the two greatest of all symphonists, and I will never tire of either of their music, even despite how overplayed Beethoven’s 5th is.
dalethorn
Mahler is a tough study, which makes it all the more interesting for listening. I have no time limit for playing a symphony all the way through – can do it all at once or in pieces. But it does get much better to become at least partly familiar with it, so each new listen builds on the last. I remember the first time I got a John Coltrane album. Now that was a tough listen!
Dave Ulrich
Truly great music of any kind gets better with familiarity, I think.
John123John
dang. I really need to get into classical.
Its crazy in there.
dalethorn
One of the avenues I took into classical that helped me were demo recordings from several sources – hi-fi magazines for example. Another good thing is scanning the FM radio listings in your broadcast area for special programs that not only present classical music, but discuss it along with a discussion of techniques, how conductors differ, etc. Classical can be daunting and people often get discouraged if they don’t have guides to help them understand what they’re faced with.
Dave Ulrich
See, I was lucky in this regard. I grew up listening to classical. My father took me to my first concert (Handel’s music for Royal Fireworks and Beethoven’s 5th) when I was four. We used to listen to records together all the time. My favorite was Haydn’s symphony #94. Don’t let it be daunting, though. It is just music, like any other genre. My advice would be to pick a composer, say… Beethoven. Find a good copy of his symphonies, listen to them, and see where they take you.
John123John
I have actually been experimenting with different performers, comparing artists’
interpretations of the same ,uh, track. (I need to learn terms) like the Bach Cello Suites. A little subtle but very interesting, havent taken a preference yet but very interesting.
Ken Stuart
A particular composition is usually called a “work”. Classical works are often broken up into individual “movements” – for example, symphonies usually have four movements. The terms “track” and “album” are from the recording industry and date from 1930s and just refer to aspects of recordings, not of compositions.
Bach Cello Suites were re-discovered by Pablo Casals (literally – he found an old manuscript in a store and it inspired him to learn cello), so his version is the reference. Yo-yo Ma has a younger and older version, and my favorite is Janos Starker (hard to find).
John123John
dang, still trying to figure this out.
So Mahler’s 5th Symphony (album) is a work/composition and each (track) is a movement.
That’s pretty interesting (discovery). what do you mean Ma has a younger and older version?
Ken Stuart
Ma recorded once as a young man, and then later when he was older. Sometimes artists can record the same work several times over a career.
That’s correct about a work – and each movement has a name that is usually the performance instruction in Italian (fast, slow, dancing, etc) plus the key. So for Mahler’s 5th:
The work is in five movements:
Trauermarsch (Funeral March). In gemessenem Schritt. Streng. Wie ein Kondukt (C-sharp minor)
Stürmisch bewegt, mit größter Vehemenz (Moving stormily, with the greatest vehemence) (A minor)
Scherzo. Kräftig, nicht zu schnell (D major)
Adagietto. Sehr langsam (F major)
Rondo-Finale. Allegro – Allegro giocoso. Frisch (D major)
Ken Stuart
Best way to “get into” any music – in 2013 – is Youtube. It is free and everything is there, and I mean everything.
Great classical for newbies – Vivaldi’s Four Seasons – Beethoven’s Symphony Number Six – Tchaikovsky’s Nutcracker Suite – Bach’s Toccata and Fugue in D Minor – Handel’s Water Music – Mozart’s Eine Kleine Nachtmusik.
John123John
Yea I know but usually SQ isnt that great and that kinda really bothers me 🙂
I have a couple albums (is that what theyre called?; compositions?) Beethoven’s 9th, Tchaikovsky’s swan lake and nutcracker and am listening to the one previously mentioned here (will add yours to the list, Thanks).
My one problem I have with classical is that, and this is going to sound really weird, but I find it “too engaging”. I can barely function; so much emotion and suspense, I guess that is what makes it good haha.
I got Strauss’ Also Sprach Zarathustra on here too 🙂
Ken Stuart
For something less emotional and suspenseful, try Vivaldi’s Four Seasons and/or Handel’s Water Music. The emotion and suspense aspect arrived around 1800 – anything earlier is more “even”. (All the ones you mention are later)
John123John
Quote from Dale,”Thanks – that should keep me busy for a year or two.”.
Really though, Thanks guy.
Dave Ulrich
You want something even keeled and not too suspenseful, find a good recording of Shostakovich’s 10th symphony.
Ken Stuart
Conductor John Elliott Gardiner once said: “Mozart is the music playing in Heaven.”
Dave Ulrich
Yeah, I need some hell with my music.
Mike
I used to be a huge Mozart fan, but now I think Bach is the music they play in Heaven. 😉
John123John
Well been listening to Mahler for a week or so.
I see where you get the “lacks coherence” and dark energy. Mahler was a very interesting listen; Music, in general, I feel is a bit predictable, not in a bad way but just that the transitions make sense. With Mahler, at times, I felt lost or confused; Not to an extreme but more so than with other works I’ve heard.
Really a one of a kind style, from my limited experience. Pretty cool/interesting.
Dave Ulrich
Who were the performances by?
Dave Ulrich
hahaha
rich
Irony or paradox is many headphone and audiophiles enthusiasts are the small library of CD, SACD (or downloads of music ) they have. I visited one very prominent Head-Fi guy and he had only about 20 cd, with no downloads of commercially available musics in his computer but has more than 6 pairs of the latest flagship headphones and 3 very expensive headphone amps/dac. There is something very wrong here in this hobby. People are so much into gears but not the music which is the whole real purpose of this hobby.
Dave Ulrich
Well, every one is different. I happen to agree with you, however. The music is the point.
John123John
Yea that’s where the whole “What is an Audiophile?” question comes in.
Lover of Music or Audio Equipment/quality?
I can personally say that when I first became an “audiophile”, my music list grew exponentially spanning across different genres, eras and even languages (if any) but I did spend more money on audio than I ever thought possible (I only have a Mid-Fi system too!). Another thing was my appreciation for music and its production grew.
We use music to evaluate our gear and justify our purchase but every once in a while, we really just need to sit back and enjoy the music 🙂
(while browsing Headfonia)
Mike
By definition the word audiophile really doesn’t have much ties to music. 🙂
And yes a lot of audiophiles with super gear have a pathetic selection of music. I feel pity for them as they’re missing the bigger things. Like owning a supercar but only driving it around the parking lot. 🙂
John123John
maybe they just use pandora 😉
rich
This is the greater fool theory. Audiophiles listen mainly for sound but not music. It maybe mean to say this but the saying is a sucker is born every minute. All those investments in gears just to listen to a small handful of music pieces. This is more widespread than we think.
The same happens in photography in a somewhat similar way. A high end camera is very costly. But how many photos are actually taken in the life span of ownership ? Kodak did a survey years ago and the result was about an average of 1000 to 2000 photos taken per camera owned. For a Leica with a Summilux 35mm 1.4 lens costing US$20,000, this works out to roughly about US$5 to US$10 dollars per photo. This is not counting the printing of the photos.
Welcome to the real world of conspicuous spending.
dalethorn
My hifi system at any given time is a ~$400 headphone, ipod/iphone, and a couple of small amps (and laptop computer with music files). All of that costs $3500 plus the music. My latest camera (Leica Monochom /Noctilux) is $19k, but that’s mainly because I can fit that camera into a small shoulder bag and carry it everywhere. The hifi I can’t carry, except the headphone, i-device, and one small amp. A really expensive stereo (SR009 and matching amp, or big speakers etc.) just isn’t portable, but ironically I get better sound with the $400 headphone and a little amp than I would from the $100k stereo that’s flat to 5 hz, since those would be chained to one spot.
Ken Stuart
It is an unfortunate, but predictable aspect of human nature, that some people interpret “success” as “relative to other people”. To those people, owning something is just part of comparing themselves to others. Since the easiest thing to compare is the price tag, then manufacturers find themselves selling most of their high end merchandise to people who don’t appreciate them.HOWEVER, I am not sure that the term “audiophile” equates to “guy in Armani suits who drives a Ferrari to buy his new audio gear that he will never listen to”.
There are plenty of average guys with average jobs, who love music, and want it to sound as good as possible. Sam Tellig at Stereophile used to come up with reviews of affordable audiophile gear (the classic example being the Adcom amplifier designed by Nelson Pass).
dalethorn
That’s really odd, even for unusual cases. Odd because the music tends to accumulate, whereas the gear gets sold, traded, and purchased anew every so often. That person who had no downloads – must have had some somewhere that he wasn’t sharing with you. Either that, or he would have to be a new audiophile who just acquired the gear rather suddenly.
Apogee
Hey this is a question both for Mike and Lieven, I was wondering which headphones you find yourselves using the most at the moment and which are your all time favourite?
P.S New site design is great.
P.P.S is the Buyer’s guide going to be updated anytime soon?
Mike
I think the HD650 is the long time favorite of Me, Lieven and Dave too.
Other than that at the moment I’m using the IE800 (+ AK100) and the LCD-3 (+ Studio Six).
L.
All time fav is the Senn HD650 as Mike said. At the moment I’m pretty much stuck to the HE-400 or COP at work with a C5 amp, and the T90 at home with lots of amps
Thanks for the compliment and the Buyers guides are on a list of TO Do’s, but it won’t be soon I”m afraid
Dave Ulrich
So, you have warmed up to the C5 a bit more. As I recall, you weren’t THAT enthusiastic about it when it first came out.
L.
I was, we just liked the C421 a bit more. But Swedish post lost that one for me so…
Dave Ulrich
Bummer!
John123John
Mike,
Just got the Shure SE215s today.
WOW. I havent been this wowed since I heard the HD800 + Studio Six + Mytek 192:)
Seriously though, if bass thump, low end and great bass to mids transition is what you’re looking for.. SE215 is the way to go. Havent done any comparisons but I was instantly impressed.
I remember you saying you liked them, how come they never got a review?
p.s. seriously, blown out of my mind how fun and awesome they sounded.
John123John
Also your opinion on comply?
Mike
Comply makes it overly warm IMO.
The foam tips you get with the 215 is a better choice for it IMO. Otherwise the yellow foam from Shure or Ety’s foam tips.
John123John
nm
Mike
That’s what me and L were saying about the O2 amp but we got the biggest heat ever in the history of the internet LOL!
L.
Yeah, that was a good one 😀
John123John
LOL!
hence the nm :D:D:D
Mike
The 215 is very popular and it’s a great entry level IEM especially as it’s the only dynamic driver in Shure’s line up. 😉 I like it better than the 535 and 535LE.
Why never a review? I don’t know what I was thinking, maybe I thought initially it was just another hype but now I think it’s definitely one of the better IEM out there.
Low end bass on the 215 is not so great though. The SPE model does low bass better but lost the midrange body. 🙁
If you fit the 215 with the foam tips (Shure’s or Etymotic’s), you’ll get better detail, more extended highs, and a more linear frequency response.
John123John
Cool Cool.
Thanks mike.
Andy
Mike, if u were to get two IEM with $150 budget each (one for jogging and one for regular listening with noise blocking) what would u buy? Or maybe u would buy one that can accomodate both needs?
Mike
Get one IEM for $150 cause the sub $100 ones are not durable.
Shure SE215. Versatile all rounder sound. Removable cable so you can replace it if you break the cable (happens a lot with IEMs)
John123John
yes!!! and the around the ear cable would be better suited for running around than straight down.
Shure cable is probably one of the most durable iem cables ive seen though but i mean, still just an iem cable.
John123John
Sorry I’m spamming but.
Any thoughts on the Aune T1 or Project Ember?
Seem to be all the rage these days and I was thinking about getting a nice little tube amp and dip my toe into tube rolling.
John123John
Bumppidy bump.
kim jørgensen
Sort of off topic question here: What WordPress skin is used on this site? Any1 know?
Mike
The theme is called SimpleMag. You can find a link to it here:
http://www.headfonia.com/we-are-mobile-ready/
kim jørgensen
Thank you, Mike! Love the site!
Mike
Thank you and you’re welcome, kim!
Ken Stuart
I was surprised to see nothing about this on the site, so FYI:
Recently, I did a headphone trade, and I received the D2000s – which I liked, but not enough to keep since they are so easy to sell due to people liking the new ones less 🙂 – and to make the trade value equal, he added the Mad Dogs. That seemed interesting, since I had not heard a T50RP.
The Mad Dogs were very interesting. Your review is of the earliest version, and Dan has kept working on them, and he puts out new versions faster than HiFiMan at their peak. 🙂
The ones I received were the first with the “Alpha Pads”. The pads are an exceptional design for a closed headphone, very comfortable, very isolating, and very good seal which helps the sound quality quite a bit. However the headphones had funny resonances and colorations. But they have just outstanding midrange, better than SRH-1840 or HE-400, for example. So, I read the head-fi threads on them (btw, Dan participates in the threads).
I found out that on April 13th of this year, he finished months of work to “re-tune” the Mad Dogs to work properly with the Alpha Pads. He calls this “Version 3.2”. More recently, he replaced the Fostex jack with a really nice one that allows a balanced cable or a 1/4″ cable. He calls this the “Universal Mad Dog”. So, I ordered them with the 1/4″ cable.
The result fixes all the problems. It is now very flat and balanced, and I particularly
love its characteristic of “no ringing” – something I look for in DACs, amps, and masterings. The HE-400 sounds smeared in comparison.
Hours after I receive the Universal Mad Dog 3.2, Jude, founder of Head-Fi
announces a new headphone by Dan, which replaces the ear cups of the Mad
Dog, with 3D Printed Ear Cups thathave unique baffle elements that cannot be
created any other way. These are called the “Alpha Dogs” and will be
available end of September from mrspeakers.com for US$599. Jude calls
them his new reference closed headphones, especially in the “fully isolating” category, and especially for under $1K.
Here is the video review by Jude:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujMMG-sc4lw
John123John
Not to speak for mike. but I believe he was not a fan of the Mad Dog (including Alpha. Pads), or other T50RP variants, except for the Thunderpants if I recall.
I somehow got a hold of the 3.1 version (was out for like a month) with alpha pads and am excited to compared them with the HE-400, also newly bought. I think he said 3.2 will basically be final model.
Yea, Dan is pretty genius hitting the Closed Headphone market. Basically has no competitors especially in Summit-Fi. I think you can turn in your Mad Dog for an Alpha Dog and pay $299 but not positive.
Ken Stuart
Indeed, I forgot to mention that Dan will upgrade any earlier version to the current version specs, for a very reasonable fee. And you are correct, after the first production run of Alpha Dog ships, he is going to then allow Mad Dogs to be submitted for upgrade for the difference in price.
Mike
Thanks, Ken. Heard about the 3D printed headphones. Probably should email Dan 🙂
Ken Stuart
He posted a message on head-fi that he was on vacation until September 3rd…
George Lai
There are only a handful of portable or transportable iDevice DAC/amps. The NuForce iCon iDo is now less than USD150 and seems ideal for a bedside table rig. Any experiences with this?
Mike
Sorry no experience with those.
mark
Hi. Long time reader of your excellent reviews. Here’s my dilemma I hope you can help me with. I had Bose noise canceling headphones. I use them mainly for airplane trips. The noise canceling part was good. The fact they only work with battery stinks. The sound is middling, at best. I gave them to my daughter who loves them.
A while ago I purchased the TTJV amp. It’s sweet. I use it with an iPod and Ultimate Ear custom earbuds. But when I’m flying, I find the earbuds a bit painful as the ear canal swells at altitude.
So I wanted the Sennheiser HD 650’s after reading so much about them here. And $500 is in the neighborhood I want to spend, though I would go up to a thousand, considering I want to be able to adequately power whatever I purchase with the TTVJ amp.
Today at B&H I auditioned the HD 650’s. The sound was very good, but I was clearly able to hear the cacophony in the store and made me realize using them in flight may not be desirable.
So now back to the drawing board. Can you please make a few recommendations for closed full size headphones. I’m at a total loss as to which model to choose.
Thanks again.
Mark
Dave Ulrich
Yeah, that open back leaks sound in and out pretty bad. Not a good headphone on the go. A lot of people have loved the Beyerdynamic DT770 AE, if you can find it.
George Lai
For flying, and to save the hassle of bringing along an amp, have a look at the PSB M4U2 noise canceling headphone. It works even when the battery’s dead.
Mike
Mark,
Check out the AKG K495NC. It’s my #1 recommendation for Noise Cancelling. A lot of converts from Bose users.
mark
Thank you all for your quick replies. Please allow me to refine my question.
1. I do not want NC headphones. I don’t want to rely on a battery or have to recharge anything.
2. I’m a dyed in the wool audiophile from way back and sound quality is important.
3. I want closed back over the ear model in the $500 to $1,000 range that are currently in production and thus can be bought new and can be powered by the TTVJ amp I currently own.
Thanks again.
Mark
Mike
Mark,
Thanks for clarifying.
There are a ton of good closed backs in the market. My newest and favourite model now is the Aedle and I’ll be writing about it. Other than that I need to know your requirements (size) and music.
I won’t check in on the website in Sunday so I’ll check back Monday.
mark
In my last reply I was going to mention the music I listen to, but it’s really A to Z, with the exception of classical and jazz. I love rock, but not hard rock, love country, like pop. As to size of the headphones, that’s not that important to me. I took a careful look at the Aedle online. They look very interesting and quite reasonably priced. I very much look forward to our review of them.
One quick additional question. Although I’m fairly certain I will go with closed style headphones because of the concerns I mention above, do open headphones have inherently better sound?
Thanks again to everyone. I very much appreciate the time taken to reply.
mark
dalethorn
Open headphones have an inherently better sense of space or soundstage, but that’s variable of course and then there are so many other factors, it comes down to each individual headphone (and amp !!)
Mike
Mark,
Open headphones have inherently better technicalities but better technicalities doesn’t always go in hand with better musicality.
I suggest you go with the Vmoda M-100. I think it’s the #1 headphone for Rock and other mainstream music now. The voicing is perfect.
mark
Mike, I don’t know how you keep up with the number of questions or where you get the energy but you Rock!!!
I just looked at reviews of the Vmoda you recommended on Bhphoto and every review was sterling. Seems like the perfect headphones for me and exactly what I’ve been looking for. While I realize you’ve yet to write on the Aedle model you mentioned, those are very intriguing also. Any slight comparison you can preview or will I (we) have to wait till your review appears? If so, any inkling as to when that will be? Thank you
Mark
Mike
Mark,
Thank you, I try my best. 🙂
The Vmoda is very easy to sell to new walk in customers or seasoned listeners. That just shows how easy it is for people to enjoy different types of music on the Vmoda.
The Aedle and Vmoda comparison is tricky. I think the Aedle has a better SQ but the Vmoda is the easier one to enjoy.
Lieven should be able to answer when the Aedle review is coming up. I also plan to write another Vmoda M100 short review.
Jonathan Yeung
hi, mike. i read your review on the o2 amp. someone has told me that the odac/o2 combo works well with the hifiman he500 and the mad dog. i personally am running music amp-less and straight out of my ibasso dx100. i want to ask, is the odac/o2 even an upgrade to the internal ibasso dx100 dac and amp? does it even make sense for me to look at the odac/o2 combo when i already have the ibasso dx100?
Mike
The O2 amp is cleaner than the Ibasso internal amp, but I haven’t compared that the DAC section.
Jonathan Yeung
ok, thanks for the info mike
Jonathan Yeung
ok thanks, sorry for the late reply. i thought i replied already a long time ago
Ivan Pang
I love reading the review on amp/ headphone over here. Gread review!! I just got a question on earphone paring. I got a fitear 335 (which is sound similar to 334) and I’m concerning with alo internation or vozamppure (I don’t really need to EQ gain) pair up with ipod and ak100. Which will you prefer? Or you can give me a better option? thx !
Mike
Thanks, Ivan.
I still prefer the International over the Vorzuge. Although between the Vorzuge the pure does sound better than the one with the EQ (though the two are supposed to sound the same without the EQ).
Ivan Pang
Thx Mike! However, compare with national and Pan Nam, what do you think? I’m concerning the “hiss” sound.
Mike
Both should be relatively hiss free but if you plug in a sensitive enough IEM I believe 99% of the amps in the market would exhibit some degree of hiss.
Besides you should not be evaluating SQ based on hiss. Unless the hiss is extremely high.
Michael
Hello,
Currently I have Audio Technica ATH-ES7 + Cowon D2+ for portable listening. May I ask some advice for further upgrade path (not sure if headphone or player is weaker)? I mostly listen to jazz, and also some classical and electronic.
rich
Hi Michael,
( 1 ) If it is within your budget, get the Audio Technical 3000anv. It is very musical. My grading: excellent. I bought one and added another for safe keeping and stand by. ( 2 ) Buy the X3, AS 100 or AS120 as source. These can drive the 3000anv without any further amping. ( 3 ) Astrell&Kern recommends the W3000anv in their website to listen to both the AS100 & AS120.
Best regards.
Michael
Thanks, Rich.
I live in Russia and it’s quite hard to experiment outside of Moscow since I order everything online 🙂 AKs are expensive, but X3 will fit my budget.
Mike
Hello,
There are a lot to choose from. New headphones, new DAP, or both. Maybe you can narrow down the choices first?
Michael
I think of Sony 7506, ATH-ESW9, FIIO X3
Mike
ESW-9 is much better than the 7506. I don’t think you can go wrong with the ESW-9, still one of the best portables around.
Michael
Great! Also, what about Sennheiser Momentum?
Mike
The Momentum is great as well, please check the review. I think it’s better than the ESW-9, but the ESW-9 has been in the market for much longer and still has a following even now so in that sense it’s more time-proof.
Michael
Ok, thanks!
I also thought of buying X3 instead of D2+, but now iBasso has launched DX50 so I will wait for reviews 🙂
Luiz Paulo de Assis barbosa
Hello, any chance to the ATH-ES700 be reviewed?
Mike
Hi Luiz,
I have them at my store but I don’t think they’re unique enough to be reviewed. Good clean sound with a mild v-shaped tonality. A typical $200 headphone.
George Lai
Hello Mike. The ADL X1 has been launched here in Singapore and is available online. I was about to order it when a reviewer on head-fi.org says that it has no line out for connecting to another amp. That is contrary to ADL’s website and indeed one of your earlier replies to my earlier question. As you have an X1 can you reconfirm please? In addition if it’s not too much to ask, a quick pros/cons of the X1 pending your full review? Thanks as always.
Mike
Hi George
My ADL X1 hasn’t arrived so I can’t do a direct check but checking back on the picture I took in Japan, it does show a line out:
http://www.headfonia.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/A94Q9887.jpg
George Lai
Hi Mike. ADL has confirmed via email that the X1 can be used as a DAC (line out to another amp) only whilst in PC/Mac mode and not in iDevice mode. Nevertheless I’ve ordered mine 🙂
Mike
Thanks, George.
J. Hornfield
Hi Mike
I listen mostly to Slow-paced Electronic & Metal & I’m looking for a pair of headphones that is neutral sounding. something like DT880 but easier to drive.
which one of these headphone should I get?
Sony Z1000 (230$)
AKG K550 (300$)
Beyerdynamic DT770 (280$)
Thanks in advance
Mike
Those headphones sound nothing like the DT880. A bit hard to find a DT880 equivalent to be honest.
The Sennheiser HD25-1 is a good headphone for Electronic and Metal though it doesn’t sound like the DT880.
J. Hornfield
Thanks Mike for your reply.
So, if we don’t consider similarity to DT880, HD25-1 (300$ here in my country) is superior to Z1000 (230$) for Electronic & Metal (slow-paced). A little bit disappointing. I should wait a month to have 300$ of HD25-1.
Mike
The Z1000 is very good, just not a headphone for electronic and metal. Are you sure the Z1000 is selling for $230? It should be more around $500-$600.
J. Hornfield
Yes, I’m sure. At first, I was shocked myself. Because here in my country, headphones prices are much more than international prices, but it seems it is an exception. It’s 230 plus 1 year warranty.
George Lai
Hi, which country is this? Any website for us to look at?
J. Hornfield
I’m in Iran & unfortunately there is no website which you can buy Z1000 from.
Mike
That price is cheaper than if I had bought a Z1000 from a Sony distributor. 🙂
J. Hornfield
Yes. That’s a great price and that’s the reason I can’t make them out of my mind. Even if they would not be that suitable for my music preferences.
rich
Not to doubt your words. Do you think these are counterfeits ?
George Lai
I see. Perhaps you should trade on eBay. Thanks for answering.
J. Hornfield
No problem, George.
rich
George,
You should open an online or bricks & mortar shop in Singapore.
Lots of business acumen.
rich
Mike, Well there are fakes in the market. Notable fakes are in the likes of Beats, Monsters, Sony, AT and surpisingly Sen (copies of their cheaper models ) etc. Buy only from authorised sellers or risk buying fakes.
breizh
Hi Mike and all,
Actually i was wondering which component i should upgrade first from my current equipment to observe a real improvment in sound quality
I own HRT streamer II+ with Asgard 1 with AKG K550 and Beyer dt880 32
Should i upgrade the dac or the amp ? the headphone ?
As an example, will i notice a real step up if i replace my HRT by something like the schiit Gungnir ? …
Thanks a lot 😉
L.
Without looking at your personal setup I personally suggest this: If you look at your full chain you will understand that if your first component isn’t good the rest won’t be at its best. So you need to check that first. If your first component is good enough, it might be the 2nd component that can use an improvement, and so on and on
Ken Stuart
L that is exactly true, BUT in his case, the first component is slightly better than the rest (see Mike’s review).
L.
I didn’t really look at his personal gear, it was a general reply 🙂
breizh
Thanks Lieven,
It seems that the Dac is not the weakest component so i think now i will focus on the amp 🙂
L.
I think that’s the thing to do too
John123John
cables!
(jkjk) ^^
Dave Ulrich
Do you like the sound of your current setup? Do you feel something is lacking?
breizh
Dave,
Yes I like ! But I used to like it when i was listening music with my clip + Sen Px 100 … 😉
John123John
another victim of upgraditis!
John123John
Hmm pretty solid setup.
I would most likely buy another Headphone (Planar) maybe replace, or add in a tube amp and see where that takes you.
I’m more about hearing different setup rather than looking for the “perfect sound” though.
I had that exact same setup, minus the AKG plus hd650, d2000, hd598, a year ago. Weird.
From there, I went to the Crack + hd650 and now im at the Objective stack plus Planars.
Have fun with it.
breizh
Thank you John,
a nice tube amp driving both low and high impedance headphones would be the perfect option ! does it exist ? (the WOO 6SE is a bit expensive when one lives in Europe..)
L.
Good tube amp and cheap is something that doesn’t normally happen, except for maybe the crack and some great gear like Dark Voice and Lafigaro from China
John123John
exactly, tube amp and cheap dont go together. That has something to do with the general qualities of a tube amp; Tubes are good for creating voltage to put up with high resistance but have poor current output with low impedance headphones (orthos).
And that’s why im liking the tube pre-amp or buffer (not the same thing but basically) so much.
The Asgard is a pretty decent amp but if the upgrade bug has gotten to you and you are on a budget, i would just go for the magni, which has enough power to drive anything (most things).
Ken Stuart
That is why a hybrid tube/FET amp can be a good choice. Some have a single rollable tube for the input stage, and FETs for the output stage – a win-win.
Mike
Hybrid designs certainly are good, especially on sub $500 amps they always seem to produce a better result than just solid state.
John123John
I am currently looking at Garage 1217 Project Ember. Solid state output (lots of power for planars) with a tube buffer with accompanying pre-amp. I really like the implementation of the tube buffer pre-amp since I could use it to “tubify” another setup if I wanted to. Also if I upgraded my amp, I could still include the Project Ember into my setup.
The motivation behind the project seems very sound and the guys seem like people looking to create a better product.
Mike
Thanks, John. I’ll try to look into it.
Ken Stuart
The HRT MusicStreamer II+ is actually a little better than the rest of your gear and I do not think that you are likely to hear the difference between the II+ and a more expensive DAC with your gear. (This is confirmed by the fact that the II+ costs a little bit more than the others, even though that is not always an accurate indication.)
I have not heard the Beyer, but overall I would guess that the Asgard 1 is slightly below the other gear.
As always, this depends on what music you listen to (which sadly no one ever thinks of mentioning).
breizh
Hi Ken,
actually i was initially thinking of moving on another amp ;-), which seems to converge with your opinion
I’m very tempted by a nice tube amp but I still hesitate because of their relative bad ability (from what i have understood) to drive low impedance headphones…
Always the same questions..;-)
I listen mostly classic rock and also classical
thanks a lot
L.
An OT tube amp should do just fine, like the WA6 in example
Ken Stuart
You need to check the reviews of each individual tube amp as to what headphones they will drive. And note that a hybrid – input tube and output FET – can provide tube sound without tube output issues.
Mike
I assume the headphones already give you the right tonality? A better DAC would let you hear more things but it still wouldn’t work musically, if the headphones don’t have the right tonality.
The MS2+ is extremely good. I haven’t heard the Gungnir but I won’t necessarily say it’s going to be better than the MS2+. I’ve seen the MS2+ slain a $1K+ Sabre32 DAC.
breizh
Thanks Mike,
ok so let’s say that the dac won’t be the first one to be upgraded
L.
As Ken pointed out, In your setup I would first work out the Asgard, the DT880 is a nice headphone (if you like the typical Beyer sound)
Dillon Mendenhall
Hi guys,
I could use some advice as I plan an upgrade from my HD-555. I listen mostly to 60-70s rock: The Beatles, Bowie, Zappa, Cat Stevens, Funkadelic. Everything I’ve read about the HD 600 and it’s neutral, natural sound makes it sound ideal except soundstage. I know that’s less important for rock but I’m still pretty tired of congested sound. So to get the most improvement with a sub $1000 budget (headphones, amp, dac) which option would you recommend?
1. HD 600 probably with ALO PanAm
2. HD 650 w/same – better imaging and technicalities, less preferable sound signature (still pretty similar though and I’m sure I’ll grow to like it)
3. Used/Refurb HD 700 w/cheaper amp/dac +eq to remove treble peaks, boost bass =way better sound stage & technicalities but pretty different sound.
4. Something else
I’ve got my Etymotics for portable use so I just want one really good headphone setup for home use. Trying to reach my ‘end game’ in one step, at least until I buy Mini Maggies. Thank you!
Ken Stuart
You don’t tell us what you are using to play music through your HD-555.
It is definitely true that soundstage doesn’t really exist in the recordings you mention. If you are getting congestion, it is likely from the amplifier (or lack thereof). If you are not using a DAC, then that is always the biggest improvement – there are some very good Asynchronous USB DACs that easily fit your budget.
But if your source is an iPod/iPad, then the recommendations are more specific to that (again, it is helpful for us to know all that first).
Lastly, the HD600 is definitely a headphone for classical/jazz/folk, in fact the Sennheisers tend to be designed for that style of music.
For the artists you mention, the HiFiMan HE-400 or HE-500 would be preferable, IMHO (moreso the former). If closed headphones are a possibility, then the Mad Dog 3.2 is very good with rock also.
The HD-555 are good enough that they are unlikely to be the cause of any discontent with sound quality, and especially if you are not using a DAC or headphone amp (and in that case I would recommend getting a DAC and an amp first, and then see if you really need a headphone upgrade).
Dillon Mendenhall
I’m playing through my PC’s headphone jack. No dac, no amp. I know I’ll get a large improvement just getting a dac and amp but I’ve been holding off as I don’t want to get something that isn’t suitable for whatever headphone I get.
I’d love to try the HE-500s. I’m leaning more towards the hd600 for having a more natural sound and better comfort but that is just based on one head-fi comparison. I do need to try them out for myself.
I listen to rock but I focus my attention on Bowie’s voice or Zappa’s guitar rather than the more ‘rocking’ elements of the music. So a beautiful/natural sounding mid-range is a must.
I’m definitely keeping an eye on the Alpha Dogs, can’t wait for some proper reviews. I’m a bit afraid of the Mad Dogs, thinking they’ll have too closed off a sound. I should be able to listen to the HD-650 and HD-800 tomorrow.
Thanks
Dillon Mendenhall
One more point is that I don’t have speakers right now and I won’t for the foreseeable future. So a headphone with a soundstage that extends outside my head (not the case with the HD555 or my Ety’s) is kind of desirable.
Ken Stuart
Actually HD555 probably has a better soundstage than the average headphone. I would not expect anything dramatically better, especially with multi-miked classic rock.
And yes, that is true about the Bottlehead Crack – it is pretty much an amp for HD650. I am sure that the Headfonia guys will agree that you cannot go wrong with that combination.
Dillon Mendenhall
Thank you Ken. So I shouldn’t expect anything much better soundstage wise, at least with rock, even with something like the HD 700 & a good amp? That’s part of why I was thinking of better headphones as I’d quite like a soundstage that extends outside the confine of my own head, even a little bit.
I think I’d go with the Panam over the Crack just so I don’t have to build it and so it doesn’t take up half my desk. The Crack is huge! Based on Mike’s review and comments I think the Panam compares pretty favourably to the Crack+Dacport Lx combo with the 650.
L.
Of course there is better than the crack + Senn, but not at that price level…
Dillon Mendenhall
Thank you everyone for your advice. So I just got back from a local shop that had the HD700 and HD650 in stock (and the HD800 but I didn’t bother listening to those). I’ve never actually heard any decent headphones other than my HD-555 and my Etymotics. I was kind of afraid I wouldn’t be able to tell the difference.
So I listened to the HD700 first straight out of my little Cowon dap. They sounded ok. Then I listened to the HD650 this time with a headphone amp the guy brought over. Much better. Maybe a little too dark and bassy to be ideal but still nice. I switched back and forth between the two (using the headphone amp for both) and I strongly preferred the HD650. Everything just sounded meatier and more musical. Things sounded like they should. John Lennon’s voice on Don’t Let Me Down actually meant something. So I’m pretty sure the HD600 would be perfect, just little less dark but still pretty similar to the HD650.
Soundstage wise, both seemed about the same, more open sounding than my HD555 but no wider. Maybe I’m just confused by review descriptions but none of these headphones had a sound stage wider than the width between the drivers. Beethoven’s Ninth and Bowie’s Changes had the same width. So I guess I should just stop worrying about sound stage.
I think I’m going to go for the HD600 and Panam combo. Hopefully ALO has another cyber Monday sale this year. If I ever need closed headphones I’ll keep the Mad dogs and the Alpha Dogs in mind. I’d still love a chance to get to listen to the Hifiman line but I’m pretty sure I’m going to enjoy the HD 600.
Thank you!
Dave Ulrich
I’m sure you will love it. Don’t forget to stop by once you have your setup going and tell us what you think.
Dillon Mendenhall
Well I haven’t purchased yet but I did just get the chance to compare the HD650 and the HD600. I didn’t have an amp though, just my dap. They sound very similar and yet clearly distinctive. The HD600 sounded airier with more noticeable treble (treble quantity seemed the same, it just stood out more on the hd600). The mids still had the proper weight to them. The HD650 definitely had more bass. I think I’d say the mids sounded almost identical, bass was the biggest difference between the two. My little Cowon could not control the bass of the 650 so it sounded overly boomy. On a track with a lot of bass, the HD600 sounded really good but the 650 sounded overwhelming. HD650 put the vocals more in my head while the HD600 put them in front of me, something that would change with an amp I’m sure. I think the 650 would improve the most with an amp.
I’d be very happy to own either one of these. Even without an amp I think I can tell they are a big step up from my HD555. If I was going to own one headphone (as I do now) I think the HD600 would be the choice. I am pretty tempted though to do a HD650, mad dog/alpha dog combo. So for the sake of my wallet I hope I can find a good deal on the HD600 soon. That and the PanAm would do me pretty well.
The guy at the store said the HD600 are no long being manufactured and they are just selling off old stock. I’ve heard rumours but I thought they were debunked. It would be cool if they came out with a HD600 mk2 with at least 650 level technicalities, scalability and sound stage.
Mike
Those sounds like the right impression of the HD600 and the 650, Dillon.
George Lai
Just to confuse you further, if you live in the States, TTVJ Audio is having a special 25% off price on the HD700 till Monday 2 Sept. USD750 instead of the normal USD999.
L.
Hi! HD700 and amp pairing is pretty critical; I do suggest listening to the HD600 as well before purchasing it based on listening to the HD600. Good luck. they’re all great headphones
Dillon Mendenhall
For sure with the HD700 and amp pairing. I was listening to it with a modified/improved Grado RA-1. Still, I think I at least got a decent idea of the sound signature of the two and even with a good amp I still think I would prefer the HD650. I can see why people like it so much. Not to say the HD700 is not a great headphone, it’s just very different.
Mike
Glad you got the opportunity to audition and decide based on that.
Ken Stuart
Note that both Amazon and Headroom allow returns on headphones (and probably DACs and amps as well) within 30 days (unless the Amazon purchase is actually a third party selling on Amazon). Schiit.com allows returns on DACs and amps within 14 days. I have had good consumer experiences with all three, and have utilized the return policies.
Dillon Mendenhall
Thank you, I’ll keep that mind.
Mike
Yes good post, Ken.
John123John
hm.. new setup for oldies rock with an emphasis on sound stage..
Dang this is tough, there are so many good combinations out there… I’m getting anxious lol!
I like choice 1. Great all all-rounder and a nice and easy one box solution. I haven’t heard the HD 700 so can’t say but see if you can try it out because the reviews are a bit polar (leaning more towards positive though).
I think a planar would be a great choice as well; great bang for buck in technicalities, sound stage and extension. I have the HE-400 and Mad Dog with me; can’t say which one is better for your genre but I’m usually leaning towards the Mad Dog just cause I like a warmer sound. If you are looking for a closed headphone solution, that is seriously the way to go. anyways.
yea, if this is a long term purchase, definitely wouldnt get a nice headphone with a cheap dac and amp.
L.
You can not 🙂
L.
Forget about the HE-500 for rock, go for the HD600 or HE400. I’d go for the Senn if it’s rock music only, if it’s also other music, HE-400. That last one is easier to amp too
Dave Ulrich
Really? I didn’t think the HE-400 was a good all a rounder. Fun as heck with rap, hard rock and the like, though.
George Lai
My kind of music – Rock, Blues, etc – hence my next cans, the HE-400.
John123John
Interesting l, I agree with you on the HD 600 and HE-400 over the HE-500 but I thought the HD 600 was more of an all arounder than the HE-400. Too polarized, great bass punch and sound stage but no sex appeal like the HD 6×0 line 🙂 talking vocal, jazz, acoustics and classical.
L.
Mike and me are both big HD650 fans, we’ld pick the HD650 over the HE-400 ourselves, but that being said, the HE-400 is quite a good headphone, I might have exaggerated a bit with the allrounder thing 😉
Mike
Everyone has given solid tips so I’ll just add something tiny. The HD600 is not congested, it’s a good spacious headphone if your DAC is up to it. Amping the HD600/HD650 is easy, a JDSLabs Cmoy is good.
HD700 requires good DAC. Spend $1K for the DAC if you’re going the HD700 way.
John123John
lol buy a used lcd-2 with a magni/modi!
That’s actually kind of legit…
Dave Ulrich
Ish no. Seriously, the Magni is bass shy. Even with the HD650, the thing had no low end.
rich
Three audio tweak that costs little but adds to your listening pleasure.
A. Go to see a doctor to get ear wax removed. He will pump in a solution and after a while a ton of wax comes out. After this music becomes clearer.
B. Concentrate on the music and only the music. When listening to music, closed your eyes to shut of visual distractions. Go to a quiet room and sit on your recliner. Do not touch your computers,iPads or do anything else. Just focus solely on the music. A new world of music emerges. Multi tasking robs you of the ability to full appreciate what you are listening.
C. Get your ears tested by an audiologist to see whether your sensitives above 10,000 c.p.s.
are affected. As one gets older we lost ability to hear high frequencies notes. Some old focks
cannot hear above 10,000 c.p.s. The blaming game is easy to play. They then blame the headphones, amp and dac.
George Lai
Point no. 2 is oh so true. When I am distracted by all the iDevices I forget what I’m listening to. But then if I’m not distracted I fall asleep. Even with hard rock. To me the best compromise is to put on the TV without sound and watch something not riveting e.g. Golf, soccer, nature programs.
dalethorn
I think when people do other things while listening is when they look for more bass and possibly more treble in their headphones, sort of like the Fletcher-Munson effect.
Ken Stuart
I am a little dubious about all three of these.
A. It’s possible that this is true for some people but might not be true of others. It could be a question of what in your environment might cause your ears to generate excessive wax. That might not be present for everyone – or even most people.
B. If you are only listening to music, then your activity is “listening to music”, which is awesome. But there is no reason to remove music from every other activity. I don’t want to see Star Wars without the John Williams music. I think having music in the bedroom can “set the mood” – even if I don’t notice the music, lol. If I reading or surfing the web, music can enhance that too. I agree that if one never listens to music by itself, you are “losing out”, but I don’t think you can only listen to music that way.
C. I don’t see the point of this one at all. Everyone’s ears are different. A particular headphone may be great from one person and not for another simply due to the physical differences of ears and head shape. High frequency hearing is only aspect. I think that knowing that your high frequency hearing is worse would have just the opposite effect of what you describe – you would blame your hearing for everything, rather than having a balanced viewpoint.
dalethorn
I’ve written about (C.) a lot, being very old and still able to hear 12 khz full up and 16 khz reduced quite a bit. Most losses (besides damage) occur with declining health, not advancing age (although they often track together). I know a couple of really old persons on one forum who are skilled DIY’ers who claim to have severe hearing damage, yet they can easily tell the difference between 44 khz and native 96 khz recordings. So it’s complicated.
Mike
Yes listening is complicated.
Nicolas Lai
Hey there Headfonia. May I ask…
1. Will you guys be reviewing the iBasso DX50 any time soon?
2. How does the iBasso DX50 compare with the FiiO X3?
3. Is hooking an amplifier to the two DAPs mentioned (DX50/X3) viable/wise?
Thank you!
Mike
Hi Nicholas,
I haven’t been able to get my hands on the DX50. Definitely will try to look into it and compare it with the X3 as well.
Yes you can hook up an amp to the X3.
mark
Holy dog doo, Batman. I posted questions and Mike answered, very patiently, trying his best, I have no doubt, to recommend headphones for my needs. He recommended the VModa 100’s. I sit here awaiting the UPS truck’s delivery this evening with great anticipation. That is, until I just happened to read the five page review of them here, which basically slams them like Batman a bad guy. I doubt I’ll even open the box before returning them. Boomy bass? Recessed miss? Sounds like a disaster to me.
mark
Dave Ulrich
Always try them first. It might be perfect for you, then again, it might not. You will never know unless you try it.
mark
Agreed, Dave, thank you. And for 299 bucks, they’re not bad at all.
Mike
Over here they are $400 and selling like hotcakes.
Kyle
Not to intrude but, where do you live (country wise). I’m guessing Australia because over here in New Zealand they cost about $420-$450.
Mike
This is the M100 we’re talking about? I live in Indonesia.
Mike
Mark,
I know the M100 didn’t receive a favourable review here but that review was done: 1. On an early batch (V100?) samples.
2. Not by me.
The M100 I have right now are extremely good for a mainstream portable headphone. I’ve been comparing them to practically everything else available in the market.
mark
Mike, I hope you took my post in the spirit it was intended. I was not complaining. You went above and beyond the call of duty in helping me and answering my questions and I greatly appreciate that. When I got the headphones last night, I was deciding whether to even open the box. I figured, eh, why not? So I did. First, I love the small size and the way they fold down in that case for travel, a case that even comes with a carabiner.
As for the sound, it’s not bad at all. It is a bit bass heavy, but I listened to an acapela version of Danny Boy, live, by Harry Belafonte (yeah, I’m old, I know) and it sounded excellent. I could hear someone in the audience cough. In between chorus, there was dead silence in the background. The source was an iPod with the TTVJ amp.
One very “bad” 😉 thing you’ve done, however, is now created a headphone junkie in me. lol. That’s why I decided to keep them. You see, I’ve got a number of hobbies and thankfully the disposable income to support them. I collect Canon cameras and lenses, Zeiss binoculars, knives, and now I will acquire different types of headphones. So thanks for that. lol.
mark
Mike
Hi Mark,
Glad to hear your reply. The M100 is not a technically perfect headphone and yes it can be described as a bit bass heavy. However the bass speed is very fast and should have no problem taking on fast paced music. And again, despite the less than perfectly neutral voicing, I find it to be the #1 closed back headphone in the market today.
I wasn’t able to get a hold of the early samples and so I don’t know if the units used for the review by Edd and Julius were different than the mainstream produced M100 (the M80 I have in my store now sound quite different than the early batch M80 I listened to some 1-2 years ago).
I should be writing a piece about the M100. It’s truly very good.
Good to hear I’ve made another convert. 🙂
dalethorn
When I got my new M100 in matte black last week, after giving up my white M100 several months ago, I knew to immediately set bass reducer EQ and then start listening. But what I realized on first listen, after listening to a dozen or more headphones in between M100’s, was how much the M100 (with EQ) makes all those other headphones sound like toys. Most M100 owners never get to experience that perfection, failing to even give my recommendation a try.
Mike
I will give it a try, but I thought the stock M100 is perfect for me. 🙂
dalethorn
They are perfect outdoors and on public transport due to increased need for bass, and I think that meshes well with your view of the M100 for portable use. My suggestion is necessary as I see it for indoor critical listening, since reviews have made it plain the bass is pretty heavy. I would hate to think that’s my imagination.
Mike
Definitely boosted on bass. When I said perfect I meant perfect in musicality 🙂
breizh
hi Mike and all,
I was wondering if you intend to make a test of the quite recent Teac HA-501 headphone amp which seems to be very interesting ?
Do you already have feedback or experience with this device ?
Thanks !
L.
I should be getting it somewhere over the coming months, no exact date. sorry
breizh
ok thanks a lot !
Mike
HI Breizh,
I’ll try to find a unit to listen to. I think I may have listened to them in Tokyo but I really don’t remember how they sound.
breizh
Oh that’s great – waiting for your precious feedback !!
thanks a lot Mike
Guest
Hi Mike,
I was wondering if the FIIO E17 is a good dac/amp combo to work with the Sennheiser HD 700. What percentage of the HD 700’s potential might I see though the E17?
I recently had a listen to the HD 650,700 and 800 and liked the 700 the most, hence the question. (all played out of a Lehmann black cube linear)
I currently live in India and have limited choice of Amps/DAC’s available here
The other amp choices I have are:
Audinst MX1 and MX2
Ibasso p3+
Rest of the FIIO lineup
Asus Xonar Essence one (stretches my budget to the absolute limit-prefer not to have to shell out that much)
Will any of these be significantly better with the HD 700?
Considering that the HD 700+dac/amp already pushes my budget to the edge, I was wondering what you think about the HE 400+ E17 (read your review, haven’t heard them though), specifically for rock and acoustic music . I am a big fan of vocals and I do not listen to trance or dubstep(forte’s of the HE-400).Soundstage and Imaging are important to me and I love that speaker like effect some headphones can produce.
Also if you could mention something about the build quality of the Hifiman’s that would be great; as I would be importing them from the US (not sold in India) and can’t really replace anything if I face QC issues.
Thanks for your help!
Love your website!
Guest
Hi Mike,
I was wondering if the FIIO E17 is a good dac/amp combo to work with the Sennheiser HD 700.What percentage of the HD 700’s potential might I see though the E17?
I recently had a listen to the HD 650,700 and 800 and liked the 700 the most, hence the question. (all played out of a Lehmann black cube linear)
I currently live in India and have limited choice of Amps/Dac’s available here
The other amp choices I have are:
Audinst MX1 and MX2
Ibasso p3+
Rest of FIIO lineup
Asus Xonar Essence one (stretches my budget to the absolute limit-prefer not to have to shell out that much)
Will any of these be significantly better with the HD 700?
Considering that the HD 700+dac/amp already pushes my budget to the edge, I was wondering what you think about the HE 400+ E17 (read your review, haven’t heard them though), specifically for rock and acoustic music . I am a big fan of vocals and I do not listen to trance or dubstep(forte’s of the HE-400).Sound-stage and Imaging are important to me and I love that speaker like effect some headphones can produce.
Also if you could mention something about the build quality of the Hifiman’s that would be great; as I would be importing them from the US (not sold in India) and can’t really replace anything if I face QC issues.
Thanks for your help!
Love your website!
Dave Ulrich
Well, the HD700 is a fairly high end, revealing headphone, so the better source you have, the better (terrible sentence). The e17 should drive the HD700 with no issues, but I doubt it would make it sing. Just the other day, Mike was recommending setting aside $1000 for a DAC if going for the HD700. The Essence One might do the job, though.
The HE-400 and the Fiio e9k is a terrific combo, but isn’t ideally voiced for the music you like. Another headphone to think about is the Sennhesier HD600. It is similar to the HD650, but is a little more forward, a bit more PRat, and not as heavy in the bass. It is also well driven by a simple cMoy and isn’t as source dependent as the HD700.
Guest
Thanks Dave ! HD 600’s are not available in India 🙁
I am no golden ear audiophile. I can’t hear the “air between the strings” or any such thing. All I own are senn’s HD 518, a very basic HP that I love, but of late I have outgrown it as the bass is bloated and missing technicalities and I want something better.
Sound-stage and Imaging are important to me. I also love a slightly hard hitting and tight bass. Comfort is also very important to me(The HD700’s comfort factor is a big draw for me-they feel like I have kittens wrapped around my ears 😀 ).
I love reading books…and what I want are something that are extremely comfortable and sound beautiful and relaxing while I eat through page after page of a good book.
The HD 650 seemed quite inferior to me (through a lehmann black cube) after a quick listen to the HD 700’s. The instruments all seemed to mesh together on that one. HD 800 seemed too bass light for my tastes(saying that on headfonia :gulp ).
How bout the Audinst MX 2 -any good with the HD 700-any better than the E17?
Or should I just save myself a bunch of money and go for the HE400’s?
How are the HE-400’s, comfort and sound wise (through the pleather pads) .
Sorry to repeat myself so much….but these are a pretty huge investment for me!
Dave Ulrich
A bigger investment than I can afford! I will do you a favor and forget you spoke ill of the HD650. The HD700 are suppose to be just about the most comfortable headphones around. They will be hard to beat there. I am guessing you were using the black Lehmann’s Linear headphone amp as there is no Black Cube Linear. The Black Cubes are phono preamps.. The Linear is a $2000 amp, and I would bet they were using a high end source as well. I would hate to see you spend so much on a pair of cans, only to have them not live up to what you have already heard.
The HE400 is an absolute blast, with the right music. The HE500 wouldn’t be a bad headphone for your genres, but none of the hifiman headphones are THAT comfortable. They are “comfortable enough,” but nothing I would wear while relaxing.
What is your budget exactly? DO you have any soldering skills?
Guest
My budget is around $ 750-800 headphone+dac/amp. I am a little tempted by the HD700 because some dealers here are offering it for $ 750. Just a case of getting greedy…so I am wondering if it runs fine out of something like a MX 2 of E17 so that I don’t have to stretch my budget way too much. I have no soldering skills whatsoever.
Since I have no frame of reference, I am struggling to get a sense of the magnitude of sound difference b/w a low-end dac/amp and a high end system.
You are absolutely right, I did listen to it from the Linear amps. But the source was decided low-end, a S3 phone :O . In the HD 650’s defense, the guy at the shop did say that it was a really old model that had seen a rough life and endured a couple of falls .
Thanks for your help Dave!
Dave Ulrich
They would be able to run the headphones fine. It isn’t that hard to drive.
I mean, if you really have your heart set on the HD700, go for it. Unfortunately, I haven’t heard it as it is a bit out of my price range for one piece of gear. Personally, as the e17 is suppose to have a cleaner sound than the MX-2, I would go with the Fiio. Or maybe, if you can, try the e7k/e9/ combo. THat sould be a good step up from just the e17 and it wouldn’t add too much to the cost.
Mike
Yeah the E7K/E9K I would wholeheartedly recommend with the HD700
Mike
Ajay,
Reading more of your post, and the listening session that you’re planning on doing, I think yeah the HD700 would be nice. Pair it with the Audinst — I prefer the MX1 and that should be a relaxing set up for book reading or something. The HE-400 is a good headphone (I was about to recommend that) but it’s far less comfortable and is also significantly more heavy than the HD700. I wouldn’t recommend it for book reading and stuff, it’s not the most comfortable thing for long listening time.
Kyle
Hi Mike. I live in New Zealand so I don’t have a lot of headphone selection here, but I’ve been reading up on the v moda m 80 ( which I found in a store in NZ, thank god) and found that they match all the specifications I require ( I am only fourteen, and want them for use at home and going to school on the bus), anyway I was wondering if these headphones will be good for my specs and if I would require a portable amp under NZD $100 FiiO E6 or E11, or not worry about it (it would be awesome if you could do a comparison of these amps with the m80’s, if possible). Thanks a lot and hope you can reply with a good answer (or review).
Kyle from New Zealand 🙂
dalethorn
What source will be driving those headphone amps?
Kyle
Just my iPhone 4 which gets the job done
admiralwiem
iPhone 4 should be more than enough for the m80s ;).
Kyle
Ok thanks
dalethorn
If you do buy an amp, be sure to drive it from the LOD, not the headphone jack.
Kyle
do you mean plug the jack into the amplifier itself instead of the iphone plug?
dalethorn
Get a FiiO LOD cable and use that. The sound will be very clean. Get a short LOD cable.
Kyle
Ohhhh. K thanks i just realised what the LOD cable was. so what your saying is instead of using the 3.5mm to 3.5mm jack that comes with the fiio amplifiers, use a 3.5mm to 30 pin connector cable.
What is the difference anyway?
dalethorn
The headphone jack outputs a fully amplified signal, and feeding that into another amp doubles all the bad things that follow audio signals that are amplified. You bypass some of the ipod/iphone electronics and volume controls at the LOD, so you’re feeding the external amp a cleaner signal, much like a Line Out. (but not exactly)
John123John
Dont worry about headamps with the m80.
Get them and be happy, they’re a great pair of headphones.
Mike
Hi Kyle,
The M80 is good and really I would just skip the amp and go with an iPod. No need for the amp.
Cheers.
Kyle
Ok thanks Mike. Ill hit you back when I receive these soon.
Thanks for everyones help
Sasmit
Hi Everyone,
There is a lot of interest about vintage receivers and amplifiers these days. I was wondering if there are any worthwhile headphone amps from the past that can still be competitive? something like the headroom MAX from the 90s….anyone have any experience with them
Mike
Hi Sasmit,
You’re welcome to give them a try. Generally the older amps are either a) weaker in current output — something crucial for orthos but not necessarily important if you have a dynamic driver and b) less strong in technicalities.
However if you strike a good combination, you can get a very good result.
Sasmit
Thanks Mike……Most of the old ones don’t have clear cut specs too….I hope to try one soon
Mike
Alright Sasmit.
The old headroom amps are good.
Rolly John
A little background.
– Budget: Within Beyer T 70 P price, but the cheaper the better. Try to reduce my wallet damage.
– Audio device: GNote 2. Laptop > UD100. Still deciding DAC and amp. Likely DACport? Or something else that portable.
– What type of usage: Portability. So I can bring everywhere I go.
– File format used: Common lossy and loseless.
– Genre of music you listen to: All sort. Universal listener. From classical to jazz, rock, R&B, hip hop, instrumental, everything.
– Headphone type: Prefer closed back and over ear. On ear acceptable.
– Currently owned: Fischer Audio FA-003.
– Other requirements: Clean sound with accurate bass, not a bass head. Detachable cable is a bonus for future mod. All rounder genre.
FA-003 need to be amped to reveal it true performance. They are too large for portable and currently didn’t owned portable or desktop amp. I’m wearing a Weezer like glasses, thick plastic frame and the headband contribute to uncomfortable. I listen to music when I’m in plane, in bus, or even while shopping in a mall.
Tried T 70 P last time, I think that’s the best headphone I ever tried. Tested unamped from my Gnote 2, sound totally better than my FA-003. Tested with DACport from a laptop, it’s night and day compared to my FA-003. I’m not a fan of V Moda M 100. Bass too heavy and on ear is really not my type. And not really suitable for all rounder genre. And I’m not IEM fan.
What I notice is T 70 P seems too bulky for portable purposed. So now I’m looking for other brand that offer something that is more portable, or even cheaper the better. I’d been considering the DT 770 Pro too but I never have the chance to try. I also interested with T 50 P, DT 1350 and seems like coming T 51 P are promising. I can ignore on ear but from what I read, forumer that wearing glasses faced some issue with these two. I only know Beyerdynamic, and that’s why I need other senior suggestion for other brand.
I realized with such limited budget, I don’t really have too much choice. And T 70 P will be my final choice if I can’t find something better. I’m willing to carry casing or the bag if I have too. And another thing, there’s no nearest audio shop to try headphone. So I end up risking my money buying based on majority POV from online review.
Guide me… Thank you.
Mike
Some suggestions:
Fidelio L2 (but open back)
Beyer T51P — I listened to this. Significant improvement from the old model. Clean sound tight bass.
Other than that you can also check out the Sennheiser Momentum (the non on ear) or Sony MDR-1R (I’m not a big fan of this, but it’s quite popular).
Also the Soundmagic headphone? L?
Rolly John
Thanks… I decided to try open back because I read that they can give better sound with cheaper price tag, so what else you suggest within $450? I put high and mid priority above bass. But I admit I love tight and clean bass in other genre too, especially hardcore that involve a lot of drums and bass without ear piercing guitar riff sound. My plan is $450 for headphone and $150 for dac amp. But my priority is headphone.
BTW, I thought T 51 P not yet available in market?
Mike
Yes the T51P is not available yet in the market. But reading your requirements I think that and the Fidelio L2 would be good. Both aren’t out in the market yet.
Rolly John
For Senn HD 600, what’s the cheapest amp you recommend? What else can I get with $600. DAC amp and headphone? Headphone is my top priority…
Mike
JDSLabs CmoyBB works wonderfully well for the HD600.
John Junior
How about Aune X1 or T1 sir? A good pair with HD 600? BTW sir, now Amazon have promotion for DT 1350 around $200. But T 51 P around the corner. While HD 600, I never heard but she sound promising, the downside is picky with amp. According to your Q&A, seems like HD 600 is my headphone because I listen to rock, jazz, classic, opera, metal and so on. But another issue is most of forum or seller that I ask told me to get dedicated desktop amp rather than portable laptop amp. But I prefer something like DACport where I just plug in the USB, connect my headphone and relax enjoy my music on the couch. So I worry if those USB powered amp not enough juice to power HD 600… And now, between above three headphone, which one should I get and what I will lose? Sorry for spamming endlessly. 🙁
Mike
I have no experience with the Aune, sorry John.
Any USB DACs these days should power the HD600 easily. The comments about it being hard to drive are mostly from the old days when amps are less powerful.
The DT1350, you can find my review on it. It improved on the T50p but I don’t think it’s quite there yet. I’d wait for the T51p.
John Junior
I see… Thank you… Maybe I should wait for T 51 P first and decide later… Thanks sir…
L.
But the Crack is better of course
John Junior
What is the Crack sir? Amp?
L.
The Bottlehead Crack is one of the best budget DIY amps for the Sennheisers
John Junior
Where can I get this other than Head-Fi sir? And they got the completed set for sell? I don’t have experienced with soldering etc.
L.
http://www.bottlehead.com/store.php/products/crack-otl-headphone-amplifier-kit
You’re supposed to DIY, but contact them and ask kindly if they want to build it for you.
Mike and me both love Crack ^^
John Junior
Thank you sir… Will see if they can ship to my country. For sure the shipping will kill me. 😀 BTW sir L., what headphone will be significant upgrade to my FA-003. I guess I focus on headphone for starting. And does open back with the same price as close back will be better in term of sound? Willing to spend $400-500 for a headphone for now.
Mike
One of the most popular recommendation for $400-$500 is the Senn HD650. Have you checked it out?
John Junior
Not yet sir… No audio shop nearby. BTW, there’s a T 70 for sale, within $300 used for one year, still in a good condition. New cost about double at my country. How is it if you compare to HD 600 or HD 650? Is it better than HD 600? I can get new HD 600 with the same price and top up a bit for HD 650. Current forex are 3.3. Below is the link for T 70 and few of other line up. And there’s used DT 880 pro for $227 too…
Beyerdynamic T 70:
https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?act=ST&f=132&t=2652982&st=0#entry63181832
Used DT 880 pro
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2942872
Sennheiser and other brand:
https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=2826004&hl=
L.
Please don’t go for the T70, stick to the Senn 600/650
John Junior
Okay, thanks sir… I have two final (hopefully) question.
1) HD600 vs HD650, what should I look between these two. According to the Trio post, I’m a HD600 because I mainly I listen for rock, metal, hardcore but I do listen to some oldies, blues, jazz and orchestra. Other than that, what should I care about? And if HD650 should have no problem with cmoy, so do the HD600 right?
2) I stay in a dorm and a standing fan blow right to me. I can hear the wind woosh from my ear and sometime if set higher speed, I can listen the wind woosh from my headphone. It’s like riding a motorcycle and you can hear the wind blow through your ear or helmet. I don’t know how to explain. 😀 But my question is, will the wind affect my open back headphone performance. This is the last thing that make me dilemma to get open back.
L.
there is an awesome C421 for sale on headfi for only $100
http://www.head-fi.org/t/680107/jds-labs-c421
Get it while you still can, is my advice
L.
I agree with Mike, HD650 with the cmoy!
John Junior
Sir Mike and Sir L, HD600 with Aune T1 is my current choice. Or should I get HD650 with Aune T1? Worth the extra price? I won’t be upgrading for a long time likely. Even if I upgrade, just get another DAC cum amp because DAC is very important IMP.
Mike
I really can’t comment on the Aune, sorry.
I listen to a lot of new amps constantly and I still think the Crack is the one to beat for the Senns.
Dave Ulrich
and me!
Apogee
Im looking at getting a HD700 but need an amp and a dac for it. I know the headfonia people recommend the crack for the hd700,but im not interested in building one and its not such a reasonable buy where I live, so I thought id removed it before it can be recommended.
I have a budget of around £1800, including the HD700. I have looked at some dac amp combos like the Panam and Burson conductor sl 1793. I have also looked at a schiit bifrost with either the Asgard 2′ Lyr or valhalla depending on what sounds best. Where I live I can get the HD700 with a Audiolab M-DAC for £1050. I could then get a schiit amp or the icon audio hp8.
Does anyone at headfonia recomend any of the gear ive mentioned with the hd700?
Dave Ulrich
Sennheisers tend to love tubes. Of all these, I would lean towards the Pan Am.
Mike
I would recommend either the Pan Am or the Crack.
Kyle
Hey does anyone know how I can get V moda headphones cheap in New Zealand
Michał Dżingis Błażejewski
Hey, I currently own a pair of Sennheiser HD555 headphones. My source is a Xonar DX sound card, however I do not own any DAC/AMP.
In the nearest future I would like to purchase a pair of HD598 headphones for their much superior sound-stage as I am an avid fps player. However, if the HD650’s sound-stage was as good as the HD598’s I would purchase it instead (I heard it is not). On top of that, I am still not set on getting another Sennheiser product and would consider other products such as the Audio Technica ATH-AD700 and Beyerdynamics DT880- any opinions on how they perform in comparison to HD598, especially sound-stage wise?
Hopefully, I will be able to choose my next pair of headphones after receiving your reply, but seeing as I have quite a load of other question I will move on to the next point.
As previously mentioned, I do not own an amplifier nor have I heard a pair of headphones attached to an amplifier, so naturally I do not know how much it enhances the joy of listening to music. In spite of my budget being rather minimal (around 100$) I would still like to get one. If I had the money I would probably invest in a Bottlehead Crack, however I do not know if this would not be overkill for the 50 Ω HD598 (yes, this is a hidden question!). Here are some questions: would it be a waste to purchase a cMoy for computer usage? Do you have any other amps in mind that would make sense buying instead of the cMoy amp?
Oh, the thing I forgot telling you is my musical taste. I usually listen to the likes of Andrea Bocelli and Luciano Pavarotti along with other opera singers. Besides that, I also enjoy listening to some Jazz or old bands or performers like Queen, The Beatles, Led Zeppelin, Elvis Presley and Pink Floyd. Yeah, I think that’s quite an accurate grasp of my musical taste
I am passionate about hearing from you soon.
With kind regards,
Mike
Mike
Hi Mike,
That was really long and lots of questions too. Let me try my best to answer you here.
HD598 vs HD650. More accurate soundstage image on the HD598 but less spacious. Also the HD650 has good bass whereas the 598 doesn’t. I think that’s important for FPS.
AD700: very airy and spacious but poor positioning.
DT880: spacious and airy and good positioning. This would be a good candidate if you’re strictly talking about soundstage.
Amps: The CMoy is good and would be enough for the headphones mentioned above. Hook it up to a DC power adapter to make it a desktop solution, and feed the signal out of your sound card.
Michał Dżingis Błażejewski
Hey, firstly thank you for your reply Mike.
I read the HD650, K701 and DT880 comparison article and, even though I am not sure, it seems to me as if the HD650 is a better choice for their musicality rather than monitoring.
I can get a HD598 and DT880 Pro for respectively $160 and $155 both in perfect condition. The DT880 Pro is the higher-end product here as far as I am aware, so I am definitely still considering it, but please keep on with me for the last paragraph.
I have just came upon a very favourable review of the AKG K550 on your website. Stunningly, I can get it for $220 brand new which is even lower than a brand new HD598. What would be your final recommendation regarding THESE 3 headphones including both their performance in music and their sound-stage. The review of the K550 indicates that they are incredible.
By the way, I am into competitive, so I value positioning and accuracy most.
Mike
It seems that your last sentence is the bottom line here.. if that’s true, then the DT880.
Anyway for soundstage accuracy I would rank the headphones as such:
DT880 > HD598 > HD650 > K550
Between the DT880 and the HD598, the HD598 is actually more precise but the soundstage size is quite small and I think you’ll be better off with the DT880.
On a high end system the HD650 would be the #1 on that list though.
Michał Dżingis Błażejewski
Thanks a lot!
Dave Ulrich
Really? For sound stage accuracy, I would have gone with the K550 over the HD650.
John123John
Do you guys have any power management? (line/power conditioners, ups, etc)
Mike
Not me.
L.
No, we have good power here
mondero
Hi, I’d like to ask you for a recommendation of my 1st headphones for normal music listening… I decided to buy one model of the brand Superlux (low price range), I don’t plan to get any DAC/amp in the near future, so the question is only about the headphones (I will use them on my laptop – no proffesional sound card as well). I’m planning to listen mainly to the rock type of music and I am considering 4 models at the moment:
– HD 668b, after reading your review I am not sure if the basses won’t be too “weak” for the rock music tho…
– HD 662f, which I find quite good for my expectations ( won’t it need some amp to “beat” 668b tho? )
– HD 660, but from what I know these won’t be good without amp (am I right?)
– and the last considered model is HD 440, which I saw you advicing for normal music listening
I’d really appreciate your personal rating of these 4 models when it comes to normal music listening (mainly the rock type of music) without DAC/AMP 🙂
Michał Dżingis Błażejewski
Hey, sorry for spamming you with questions, but here’s the last one.
So I’ve ordered a cMoyBB 2.03 from JDS Labs and a pair of HD598 headphones (couldn’t get those DT880 after all unfortunately). In two weeks I’m leaving my home country to study in the UK and I won’t have my PC (source: Asus Xonar DX) with me. I will be purchasing a laptop very soon and here’s my question: will an on-board sound card be enough or would you recommend purchasing a Fiio e10 to pair it with my cMoy?
Mike
Yeah the E10 should be better than the on board sons card.
mondero
Hi Mike, I hope you didn’t ignore my earlier post, but in case you did I paste it again…
I’d like to ask you for a recommendation of my 1st headphones for normal music listening… I
decided to buy one model of the brand Superlux (low price range), I
don’t plan to get any DAC/amp in the near future, so the question is
only about the headphones (I will use them on my laptop – no
proffesional sound card as well). I’m planning to listen mainly to the
rock type of music and I am considering 4 models at the moment:
– HD 668b, after reading your review I am not sure if the basses won’t be too “weak” for the rock music tho…
– HD 662f, which I find quite good for my expectations ( won’t it need some amp to “beat” 668b? )
– HD 660, but from what I know these won’t be good without amp (am I right?)
– and the last considered model is HD 440, which I saw you advicing for normal music listening
I’d really appreciate your personal rating of these 4 models when it
comes to normal music listening (mainly the rock type of music) without
DAC/AMP.
Dave Ulrich
Well personally, I really like the HD660. I will give them a try straight out of my laptop and see how they play.
mondero
let me know about your feelings 🙂
Dave Ulrich
It works just fine out of my computer’s headphone port.
Mike
Hi Mondero,
No I’m not ignoring you, just the first time I read your comments I had difficulty trying to understand your points.
HD668B, bass too “weak” for rock music? What do you mean?
HD662f, What?
HD660, all full size headphones would benefit from an amp. At least the majority of them and that includes these super luxes. HD440, yes.
So what do you want me to say?
Michał Dżingis Błażejewski
Hey Mike, ‘mondero’ is my friend. He is asking for a recommendation regarding some very cheap ‘rockin’ headphones. He is considering the 4 aforementioned models, although he is not sure about his purchase. From reading your 668b review he is not sure whether that particular model has sufficient bass for his favourite type of music (rock). He considers the 662f to be a good fit for his needs, however he is not sure if they wouldn’t need an amplifier to sound better than the 668b headphones. The 660 have 150 Ω which is an unusually high number for a cheap pair of headphones- his question is whether they need an amplifier more than comparable headphones with 32-50 Ω and given he won’t purchase an amplifier in the nearest future he deduced they may not be a good choice for him. I gave you his reasoning, however his question is pretty easy and surprisingly short: out of these four, point out the one model that you think suits his needs (rock music) best.
Mike
HD660, add an amp.
I’ve given him the same reply on the 20+ posts he made.
mondero
ok, thanks for the replies… and sry for my “20+ posts” spam, it was caused by me trying to delete my old posts and write sth new, the older comments stayed as “guests” comments though…
Mike
No problem, mondero.
Thanks for explaining that. 🙂
Marc
Hi Mike,
Do you think that the DACport LX and Continental V3 combo will be sufficient for the HD650? If not, would you suggest the HD600 as an alternative with this set-up? Any other suggestions are welcome. 🙂
Thanks Mike!!!
Mike
It should be more than enough Marc. OF course you can always get bigger amps and DACs and the HD650 would scale up.
RainHeaven
Hai Mike,
I am pretty new to this website and hifi audio in general. I am an electronic music lover and am definitely wanting to buy some pretty expensive hifi audio equipment in the future.
So, what is the order of importance? Source aka DAC, headphones, amp? Thats what I’ve read from some other website but I didn’t know what it meant by source. From I read on this website, its pretty much referring to a DAC. Thanks for reading 🙂
Marc
In a high-end setup, I believe all three play equally important roles in overall sound quality. However, the most independent of the three would be the headphone as it doesn’t need a DAC or an amplifier (depending on the headphone) to operate.
Based on your choice of music, the Sennheiser HD25 1-ii (or the newer Amperior) would be a viable option or maybe the Audeze LCD2 if you’re willing to spend the extra cash. The Senns have minimal need for an external amplifier as most portable devices are able to drive this. An amplifier is absolutely necessary for the LCD2. Both will of course improve with an external DAC and amplifier.
Lastly, the source component can be DAC, a CD player, or a turntable. Don’t forget to use high-resolution files.
RainHeaven
Thanks for the response. I checked the three headphones and I’m leaning towards the Audeze LCD2, they look VERY pleasing. I will seriously think about it (and other possible headphones) when I get the money. Also, now I know that I should get a DAC too :3
Mike
If you can afford the budget, the LCD-2 is the best $1K headphone for your music.
L.
And the REV 1 is best in our opinion
Mike
Without getting too long winded, I suggest you start with a pair of good headphones. 🙂
RainHeaven
For my current setup, I have the Audioquest Dragonfly DAC, SoundMAGIC HP 100, and no amp atm. It sounds great. When I get new headphones, I will keep them for noise isolation if I somehow end up being around other people.
Dave Ulrich
I hear the Dragonfly has a decent built-in amp.
Robert G Webb
Hello Mike,
I listen to classic rock, blues, R&B, folk etc. My source is an IPOD classic. What portable earphones, portable amplifier/DAC and cables/connectors would you suggest?
Possibly the Senn HD25-1 II …what amp/DAC & cables do you think would pair well?
dalethorn
I’d get a DAC with amp in the same enclosure to eliminate the output jacks on the DAC, the input jacks on the amp, and the interconnect cables. The sound will benefit greatly. Also try to get battery operation to eliminate AC line noise.
Robert G Webb
Thanks,
Do you have a recommendation for a battery operated amp/DAC that would suit my needs?
L.
There are some awesome units out there like the cypherlabs Theorem 720 and the Centrance Hifi-m8 but those don’t come cheap. We reviewed the centrance already and I’ll be publishing the new Cypherlabs in a week or 2
George Lai
Quick, Lieven, the Theorem. It’ll make Headfonia one of the first in the world to review the Theorem.
L.
Head-fi was first 😉
George Lai
First in Asia/Europe then.
Mike
Hi Robert,
The HD25-1 should be good. I would start with the headphone first and worry about the amp & dacs later. The HD25-1 is quite easy to drive.
Seth
Hey Mike!
I’ve recently decided to purchase the Audez’e LCD-2’s once I save up enough. I’ve read your guides to sources and amps, but a lot of it sounds like a foreign language to me. I know those things are personal preference as well sometimes, but what might you recommend I use to drive them? I don’t want to spend a whole lot more to do that, maybe around $200.
Thanks!
L.
Hi Seth, to be honest I always think a good amplification guideline is to foresee more than the price of the Headphone for an amp. I don’t really see why one would buy a top of the line headphone $1000 headphone to use it with a sub 200$ amp that can’t get the headphone to sound as it should. That’s like buying a ferrari with a one liter diesel engine. just my point of view 😀
I personally don’t know of many amps under $200 I like too much, of course there are the JDSlabs amps but I wouldn’t use them for my LCD2 unless I really had to. Maybe Mike can give you another recommendation. good luck!
Seth
Thanks for the response! I totally understand what you’re saying, that was a good analogy with the Ferrari 🙂
I’d love to get the LCD-2, I suppose those are my dream cans, but what about the HD650? Would I be able to get that plus something that drives it well and it be comparable to the LCD-2? I’ve heard great things about the 650.
dalethorn
If I were shopping for a really hi-fi headphone and decent amp, and based on the things you mentioned so far, I’d try to sit down with the HD650, the B&O H6, and the new B&W P7 and see how those compare. For the HD650 you might need more power because of the higher impedance. There are plenty of amps listed here that would drive even the HD650 well, but you’ll need more power for the LCD2.
Seth
I should explain a bit more, I was on my phone before: I like headphones with clean, punchy bass. That’s normally top priority for me; making sure the bass is resonant, punchy, and doesn’t bleed with the mids. I’m in the market now because my Denon AH-D1100’s broke, they had excellent bass for a $200 pair. The H6 is gorgeous, but according to a few reviews I’ve read, the bass lacks punch. I don’t know a lot about headphones, in fact most of what I know is from this site and my Denon’s, but I do know what I want in them.
While what I hear about the P7 I like, it looks ugly to me and I don’t want to wear something I don’t like looking at.
I do really appreciate your suggestions though, dale.
L.
H6 not enough bass? You need bass headphone it seems!
Seth
That’s what I’ve heard, I haven’t listened to them personally.
dalethorn
Bass punch is a tough thing, because it’s purely arbitrary – an impression. I don’t know of any objective way to evaluate it. But I’ve got the king of bass here in addition to the H6, so here’s my suggestion: Name 1 or 2 tracks you evaluate by that are on iTunes, and I’ll get those tracks and tell you how they sound with the H6 or whatever else I have (vmoda M100, Beyer COP, Senn Momentum on ear….)
Seth
That’s very generous of you, thank you so much! How about Afterglow by Phaeleh and The Missing Suitcase by The Hebaliser (the version I have is on the album “The Herbaliser Band – Session 1 and 2). Again, thanks so much!
dalethorn
Thanks – I’ll snag those tomorrow morning and have a listen.
dalethorn
Now I have a compare to the H6, the COP, and the M100. I could shorten this to “get the M100”, as it plays dubstep etc. like no other. But here are the details: Herbaliser: H6 lacks bass impact, Beyer COP has more upper bass emphasis but no serious low bass impact. M100 has the most upper bass emphasis and some deep bass impact, but impact is modest. — Phaeleh: H6 has audible/feelable deep impact but the impact is minimal. COP has good deep bass impact, but it’s not that tight. M100 has good deep bass impact and it sounds a little stronger and much more detailed or tighter. I played all with no EQ using computer and Microstreamer, also with iphone and v-moda Verza. I think Mike or another of the persons here could fill in any details about how these impressions relate to bass punch or other attributes.
Seth
Thanks so much for the help, dale! So you would recommend the MOE over the rest?
dalethorn
I would like to if I was confident you’d like it, but I’m not sure, only because reviews are mixed on it. People have criticized the bass as too emphasized, or the mids too colored – neither of which I find to be the case. Clearly, the MOE’s highs are recessed, and just as clearly that can make the bass seem too strong or the mids sound wrong. So I think it’s a great headphone with a small treble boost, and a much better headphone than the full-size Momentum, which can’t be equalized by me because the full size Momentum has a very uneven treble. So I don’t think you’d go wrong with the M100 because it’s great for the music samples you mentioned, but if you’re curious about the MOE and you can order one with a return guarantee, it’s certainly worth a listen. Just remember: recessed treble, needs adjusting.
Mike
I think the frequency response is fine, not flat or monitoring, but enjoyable. Full warm typical Senn sound, less dark than the 650, more upfront, good speed and pace, enough treble, forward mids, it’s good. It’s just not refined enough for the price.
dalethorn
Your judgement about value for price is probably correct when comparing to most headphones, but considering that the Momentum senior is very flawed and the MSRP is $350, the Momentum Jr. is a much better value. Some folk may consider the senior to be better technically, but I have a standard that I believe trumps that – the senior’s lower treble is energetic but the upper treble rolled off, and that’s not fixable with simple EQ (iTunes type EQ). But junior’s treble is evenly recessed, and that is fixable. Then the bass. Senior has a fat upper bass and weaker low bass, while junior goes very deep nearly flat, beating Senior by far. I’m very flexible on bass generally, mids I’m more sensitive about – colorations may be a problem, but treble is absolutely critical for high fidelity sound – ‘relaxed’ treble is a headphone killer for me. It doesn’t help to be bright like the HD800 or IE800 – the Shure 1840 is ideal and even the M100 with bass reduction is nearly ideal, but any less treble than the M100 and I give it a decent burial. Some technicals may be critical for some people, but getting a hi-fi frequency response is critical to me before anything else.
dalethorn
Adding to my previous tests, when I use the Sennheiser Momentum On-Ear I get the best balanced sound and a pretty awesome bass. The MOE as I call it is slightly recessed in the treble, and when boosted can sound peaky – so if using the MOE just hit the treble EQ as needed (bass EQ would not be needed).
Mike
The MOE tonal is pretty good. Warm and well balanced similar to the ESW-9. I do feel that they lack the refinement and technicalities though for something that’s supposed to be “premium”.
Mike
Vmoda M-100 and you don’t need to buy an amp for it.
George Lai
I’ll NEVER consider V-Moda till their rumored XL ear pads are available. And because of the unique shape, I can’t even consider alternative ear pads.
Kyle
Hi, don’t mean to but in. But the XL earpads are already on sale on the VMODA website for the M100, LP2 and LP for like US$30
George Lai
Thanks for the heads up, Kyle
Mike
Yep, thanks Kyle.
Mike
LCD-2,
ALO Pan Am is the minimum for me. Other amps can drive it but it won’t be good enough and you’re not getting the good sound only the weight of the headphone on your head.
The HD650, a Crack drives it really well.
Seth
Just bought some HD202’s to tie me over 🙂
Dave Ulrich
I love the HD202. SO much fun!
Ken Stuart
I’m hoping that Woo Audio can name its next headphone amplifier the “Headphone Oriented Object”…
Kyle
Hi everyone, i am looking to buy v moda headphones on a sight called ‘Expansys’ and i was wondering if their NZ store was safe and if they sold legit/non-knock off products and if they trustworthy. it would be extremely helpful if someone could tell me, then I can be sure im not giving away my money!
thanks
dalethorn
Go to the v-moda Facebook page for New Zealand only. Ask the question there. Make sure it’s the real v-moda New Zealand page.
Kyle
K, they said that Expansys weren’t an official retailer of their product but i did some research and found out that they were just a normal website like amazon (but smaller). thanks for your guys help.
Mike
Hi Kyle,
Maybe the other readers can chime in… are there fake Vmodas in the market? I haven’t seen any personally.
Leonardo Guan
Hey guys, im looking for a set of dac and amp to drive my recently acquired Sony MDR-SA5000s. Currently im set to get an ALO Pan Am but i wonder if there are better fits?
Mike
Hi Leonardo,
I’ll try to find warm sounding amps for the SA5000. I have never tried the 5000 personally, only the 3000. Personally I’d pair it with warm and dark sounding amps.
Leonardo Guan
Hi Mike, thank you very much for your reply. Currently I sport a Sony PHA-1 DAC/amp. Despite it claims to support headphones up to 600 ohms I still doubt its ability to drive the SA5000s to its maximum. I’ve decided to purchase an ALO Pan Am given its slightly reduced treble and great bass performance.
SA5000 has a great reputation out there, it’s a pity you guys haven’t tested it yet. Sony stopped its production in 2012 so I guess they’ll be short in stock soon.
Mike
Yes too bad I haven’t been able to get a copy of the SA5000.
Nickjan Glas
hey gus,
really loved the review of the B&O h6, but I am curious how they compare to the new B&W p7. From the preliminary reviews they should be in the same ballpark, with the P7 having slightly more focus on the bass. If and when you reviewed the P7, I would love to know how they compare and match up, because I have to travel some distance and want to be properly prepared. I am planning to use the headphone with a dac/amp (like the fiio e17 or arcam rpac or even the head-project headbox ds (as it has more inputs and seem better on paper than the e17) For portable (occassional) use, i ll use a philips go gear ariaz or iphone 4 (or similar).
I appreciate any advice and comparisons you can give me.
thanks in advance.
p.s. I forego most others as I prefer a bass that complements the music instead of overly present bass.
L.
I will have the P7 soon, now I just have to remember how the H6 sounded 😀
Nickjan Glas
i ll be waiting. Also you mentioned that you couldn’t connect the H6 to a deskamp due to cable size. Are there no connectors for this?
L.
There probably are, just not any in my possession.
Nickjan Glas
thanks, good to know. otherwise that might have been a dealbreaker in advance, while i love my current B&O setup and am really curious to the comparison.
Ken Stuart
Q for Mike (because he was the reviewer) – Do you think that many flawed products are popular simply because a lot of people never listen to the sort of music that reveals the flaws ? I.E. They never listen to classical or folk or jazz… (the thought was prompted by your NFB-12 review, and also by seeing some of my own test discs, like BVSC, cited in your reviews).
dalethorn
I don’t have access to a lot of headphones, but I’d really like to see some music tracks listed with what to listen for, to check my small collection for flaws.
George Lai
For me, I’d rather not know? I enjoy my collection of music and headphone gear.
Ken Stuart
It’s any track that has acoustic instruments recorded in a natural way (meaning just microphone to recording), and most importantly, they are instruments that you have heard yourself first hand. For example, you attend a wedding and they have a string quartet. In that case, you have an opportunity to experience the actual sound of violin, viola, cello and bass. Then you can use something like the Griller Quartet recording to judge how well the system portrays the recording as similar to what you heard in person.
dalethorn
When I play the couple thousand tracks I have with the six headphones plus Sennheiser IE800 I have, I get a good sense of where the reproduction quality is best. My B&O H6 does very well, the beyer COP is very good also but not as good as the H6, the IE800 makes music sound scarily real, the B&O Form2 with bass boost is comparable to the COP in overall sound quality, the v-moda M100 with bass reduction is also comparable to the COP in sound quality, and the Momentum On-Ear with treble boost is comparable in overall sound quality to the H6. I’ve named several of those flaws here, and found fixes for them. Most headphones don’t fix up that easily or that well, and I’ve discarded those. Most reviewers will not touch EQ in a review, so any response that doesn’t allow for EQ would be n/a – apples and oranges.
Ken Stuart
Frankly at this point, I am not sure what you are saying.
First – 2000 tracks at a very rough average of 4 minutes each, and lets generously allow you 4 hours a day of listening, that means 6 months to go through all of them on your headphones. That’s ten thousand different listenings to compare. Unless you have an eidetic memory, you can’t be comparing anything.
Second – With regards to your last comment, frequency response is generally what most head-fi’ers regard as “sound quality”, but it really isn’t. In terms of differences between modern headphones, the time domain matters much more.
dalethorn
It doesn’t take 10 thousand plays to build a solid conviction of what works and what doesn’t. The answers are very clear within a few days, choosing tracks at random. Your comment about freq. response says that you take all comments literally with no allowance for the broader picture, i.e. understanding that after decades of listening with the best systems, that I would know about those other “domains” like time etc. I do. I also know how to run a Fourier series to see much interesting stuff from just the steady state freq. response, which if it varies by just one decibel is clearly audible as ‘coloration’ – and that’s just the beginning. But according to you, a tiny tiny error in time domain, phase or whatever, somehow trumps a whopping big difference in freq. response. It doesn’t. So you see, I can be literal too. From now on when I say coloration, response error, whatever, just assume I refer to the total sound with clarity and correct tone included. Measurements and terminology can get complicated, but us experienced listeners can shake down a new headphone pretty quickly – it’s just a matter of time.
Ken Stuart
First you say that “I’d really like to see some music tracks listed with what to listen for,” then you say “It doesn’t take 10 thousand plays to build a solid conviction of what
works and what doesn’t. The answers are very clear within a few days, choosing tracks at random…us experienced listeners can shake down a new headphone pretty quickly ”
That sounds like two different people posting.
===
Also you say “you take all comments literally with no allowance for the broader picture”. Yes the Internet is 7 billion people who might be posting. You cannot “read between the lines”, because one person’s literal truth is another person’s tongue in cheek. If I know someone for several years it is different, but otherwise statements are assumed to be literal.
dalethorn
I would hope you’re seeking some truth here rather than just argument.
Ken Stuart
I’m not seeking either. I was just trying to be helpful by answering your question – “I’d really like to see some music tracks listed with what to listen for…”
dalethorn
In the process of reviewing headphones, I’ve gotten many questions about “how is headphone ‘x’ going to sound with genre ‘y’, etc. So I ask for music examples, download the tracks, then do the evaluation with that person’s favorite tunes. That’s what helpful means.
Ken Stuart
That is certainly helpful and a benefit to the community.
Again, I think where we got off on the wrong foot, is that you asked a question and then ignoring the answer, posted something else as a reply.
So, trying to circle back…. One of the strong points of this site, is that Mike uses acoustic music (as well as electronic) in his reviewing process, and so he has the real sound of the instrument as a reference point.
That is why, when later I actually hear the product, his reviews tend to be very accurate.
dalethorn
I don’t think “we” got off on the wrong foot at all. I’ve been here plenty long enough and you have too, to understand what I’m saying. I welcome your help whenever you can give it, and that’s really all that matters.
Mike
The problem with using “reference” tracks is that if you don’t actually enjoy the music, then it’s pretty hard to pick things up, even sonics, that people who actually goes very deep with the music can pick up.
dalethorn
That is true as far as it goes, but OTOH, I’ve greatly expanded my music collection from other people’s suggestions and learned to enjoy new music in genres I never would have touched otherwise.
Mike
Maybe it’s a cultural thing, but I find the enthusiasts here generally less open to new music suggestions.
dalethorn
Yep – it’s very difficult to go from jazz to country music, or Mozart to black metal.
Mike
That’s one, and also the fact that not too many people get a chance to A-B headphones.
You can order 2-3 headphones from Amazon and return the one you don’t like, but if there are like 20 different headphones out there then you’re missing a big part of the picture. Hence a lot of the buying decision comes from which model get the most recommendation on the internet. And the problem with that is sometimes the most vocal supporter isn’t the most neutral.
Kyle
Hi mike and co. I have ordered the VMODA M100 headphones from Expansys and they’ve contacted me to say that they’ll be delivered to my house tomorrow at (around about) 6:00. Do guys think I got a good price for them of NZ$329 (US$273) including shipping?
and thanks for all your guys help on my decision, I think I’m gonna be happy with these headphones!
(:
Mike
I think that’s really cheap.. I don’t know what the MSRP is there but over here the MSRP is close to 400 USD
Kyle
sweet! so I’ll be getting more than my money’s worth I’m assuming
Kyle
Since I’ll have the M100 soon, can anyone recommend a good portable amp that can improve the all round sound of my music through these headphones. I would like to velcro it to the back of my iphone 4 and for it to be able to fit in my pocket with ease (so not to fat but can be longish, preferably in the shape of my phone). Thanks!
Mike
I really have been spoilt with the more expensive amps here so I either go direct or with some fancy RSA/Alo amps.
Generally the Fiio brand has been quite a reliable name to recommend on the entry level bracket. You can get a model with a built in USB DAC like the Fiio E07K for the same price or cheaper than many dedicated amps, and it should be sufficient for an easy to drive headphone like the M100.
Maybe someone else has a more solid recommendation specifically for the M100.
Kyle
Ok cool. Would you now anything about the NuForce MMP being used with the M100 (it looks very similar to the FiiO E6 in shape and size, but i’m not sure which one would be better for the M100 and my specs). What do you think?
dalethorn
I think the E07k is great as an average-sounding amp, from the iPhone LOD. Another amp that’s darker and more powerful is the E12, but there’s no computer USB DAC in the E12. Then there are the Apple-compatible portable DAC/amps that sound even better, but cost a lot more. To me the remarkable thing about the M100 is the really good treble detail, yet it’s very smooth and free of peaks, so less irritating than most headphones when the music has strong treble or some harshness.
Kyle
Ok the portable DAC/amps are probably out of my price range (my price range is $50 to max $100 NZ) but the FiiO E12 sounds quite good. I might not need a amp if I get the Astro Mixamp Pro. But maybe I could get the E11 or E12 for portable use.
Mike
Kyle,
The MMP actually pairs well with the M100. I’ve tried that pairing before. Less boomy, big soundstage and improved dynamics.
Kyle
So do you think its worth my money if I buy it instead of the FiiO E6
Mike
I think it’s better than the E6, yes.
Kyle
Also, in comparison (no amps), would you think the normal Sony MDR-1 is ‘better’ than the VMODA M100 overall including the sound and features (e.g. carry case and build quality). Just wondering cause I tried the Sony’s today at my local electronics shop and it sounded AMAZING but I can’t remember what the M100’s sound like compared to these (i know they sound amazing too, but what’s the difference?). Would you be able to refresh my memory.
Mike
Nah I think the M100 is way better. And I do sell the 1Rs as well.
John123John
Hey Headfonia,
Any plans on reviews Yulong products? They seem to be gaining popularity (bang for buck and Flagship) and are pretty limited in reviews!
Thanks!
p.s. might just be me but the site has been very slow and laggy for me lately. Using Chrome and Firefox running Win7 from Cali.
Mike
Hi John,
Yeah I did one Yulong review but nothing planned on the newer stuff.
http://www.headfonia.com/tag/yulong/
L.
Site is sometimes slow here too John, same config as you.
Kyle
Don’t mean to comment so much but can someone please answer this question:
I want to use my VMODA M100 for music and also gaming with my Xbox 360 (and soon maybe an Xbox One), so I’m thinking of getting a BoomPro Mic (link: http://v-moda.com/boompro-microphone/). Firstly can this Mic be used for chating on Xbox and secondly would buying a 3.5mm to 2.5mm adapter enable the mic to work fluently on my Xbox just like the standard headset does. Also does anyone know where I can buy the 3-button VMODA remote control (or one very similar)for my M100’s seeing they don’t come with that one (only the 1-button).
dalethorn
Did you ask v-moda about these things? I do remember they had a long delay on the mics.
Kyle
No, do you think I should ring them or email them to see if they are compatible with the Xbox 360 by themselves or if I need a mixamp like the Astro Mixamp Pro?
L.
Sounds like a solid plan 😉
dalethorn
Try the v-moda “contact us” page first.
Mmet
I have rockboxed ipod classic 5th gen.>>fiio LOD >> fiio e11 amp
and i want to upgrade … does fiio x3 will be an upgrade to this setup ? my budget is around 300$
thanks
Mike
Yes it should be an upgrade.
Mmet
and what about the iem ? ……. i am thinking about westone 4r
Mike
The 4R is definitely a step up from the Shure 210, yes.
Mmet
and it will have a good synergy well with the x3 ? i red in your fiio x3 review it is easly have synergy with any headphone (not picky )
Mike
The X3 is not picky yes. I do feel that with a nice IEM like the W4R, I’d want to hook it up to a higher quality source.
Viet Nguyen
hello, i currently have a hd598 and i really love it. However, there is review that said HD598 really shine with a dac/amp. Could you advise me a dac or amp that could help me to improve my hd598 with the price about less then $150 usd? I listen to almost all kind of music, would like to increase the bass of my HD598 a little bit. Thank you so much.
Marc
The HRT Music Streamer II is a wonderful standalone DAC for just about $150. However, if you’re looking for a DAC/Amp combo maybe the Fiio E17 will suit your needs.
Viet Nguyen
I’m new in this so this might sound stupid, but do you think an Amp will benefit as much if i put it all on HRT streamer? since the impedance of hd598 is quite low, and i’m ok with the volume for now.
Marc
If you’re choosing the standalone DAC, you’ll still need an external amplifier. I haven’t tried the HD598 with MSII combo but with my experience, sound out of a DAC’s line-out isn’t as controlled. Apparently, the rule-of-thumb here in Headfonia is that a good external amplifier is necessary.
Viet Nguyen
Ok, thank you so much for your help! I think i will go with the E17 then.
Viet Nguyen
Ok, thank you so much for your help! I think i will go with the E17 then.
Mike
Yes you still need an amp.
Maybe HRT MS2 + Cmoy ($60).
Mike
Viet,
Fiio E07K/09K combo is great with the 598.
Also Audinst’s HUD MX1.
Viet Nguyen
Thanks Mike, i’ll search more on these.
Mike
You’re welcome.
I’ve done reviews for both products.
Viet Nguyen
Hi Mike, i have another question. on my Realtek sound-card (on board Asus), there is a option of 24/192khz. Will the audinst hud mx1 sound will be better than this option? since i saw on Audinst is 24/96khz
Mike
Viet,
Can’t make a comparison based on printed numbers like that. 24/192 doesn’t guarantee anything over 24/96 or even 16/44.1
Viet Nguyen
thanks Mike, sorry for the noob question.
Mike
No problem man, that’s what we’re here for!
Bakath
I am looking for a good headphone and source setup to play HD FLAC files be it from my computer or something that ties into my receiver (Onkyo TX-SR875). Reading this site and others I have come to find that not every headphone is good for all styles of music, some better rock, classical etc. What do you do when you enjoy Progressive music since it will hit rock, metal, classical and electronic in a single tune?
L.
Change musical preference? 😀
There is no “One that does them all” in my opinion, maybe the the LCD-3 🙂
Mike
First of all keep in mind that when we recommend something for say Progressive, it’s pretty impossible to hit every Progressive recordings right. Not only the different styles but also different bands have different recording engineers and mastering.
Now, I think the Senn HD25-1 is a great headphone and it should be a good fit for progressive.
Bakath
Thanks guys, I ordered the Senn HD-25-1and the Grado SR80i to try out. I have the Senn HD 555 but I do not like them and I have never tried anything by Gardo so I wanted to see what they where all about without breaking the bank.
Since I am a gamer as well and have a Sound Blaster Z which does 192/24 with an SNR of 116 dB do you think I would gain any benefit from an USB DAC or would I be better served looking into a tube driven amp? I have never tried one of the USB DACs I am guessing they might be better for music but I am a newb,
Mike
I think there is a good chance the Sound Blaster would have enough power to drive either headphones. And another thing is a solid state option is probably better for progressive.
dalethorn
A favorite headphone doesn’t have to be ideal for one or two or six genres – just find something fairly neutral in most respects that has enough warmth and bass support to be satisfying whether gaming or hi-fi’ing. The better headphones in the $300 to $400 class can do that.
Bakath
Just wish there was a place I could try them out rather then having to order and return them online 🙂 I like the sound of the Senns but they have far to narrow a sound stage. The Gardo’s have a decent sound stage but lack range though I did get the cheap ones the SR80s maybe I would have been happy with the 325s. Time to return and pick some more. 😉
dalethorn
I’ve played several headphones in the Apple store, with no pressure to hurry up at all, yet when I get them home they sound very different. It’s not just amps, it’s mainly the 30 extra db of noise in a store. So far after owning 100 headphones from the HD800 and IE800 down to the lowly PX series, I’ve found 2 headphones that play well with every genre, and provide good high freq. sparkle and shimmer, plus good solid deep bass, and those are the Beyer COP and B&O H6. The H6 is much lighter sounding than the COP, yet both play the wide variety of what I have (nearly everything) with great detail, yet no irritations from peaky highs or bloated upper bass. It’s very unusual to me to hear high freq. harmonics that seem to stretch out to outer space, yet not have any irritating peaks in the treble.
Mike
Grados are not known for full bass even to the top of the line range.
If you like the sound of the Senns and want more soundstage, you can try the Audez’e LCD-2.
Howard Lin
Hey Mike,
can you recommend me a Tube Amp in the $300~$400 for use with HD598 and HD650. i love big wide soundstage, and i read your review on THE CRACK. but after the kit cost, plus paying someone to put it together, plus shipping, it puts the price way out of range. i am really looking for my first tube amp that’ll bring me that quintessential Tube sound with wide open soundstage. i just don’t know what other choices i have besides the crack.
thanks
L.
336C then, we just reviewed it
Howard Lin
but you also said in the review that the 336C isn’t as good as the crack. and the soundstage is not as wide. that concerned me. 🙁
Dave Ulrich
I said the Crack is probably a slightly better all around amp for the HD650, but that the 336c was wonderful. To what type of music do you listen?
Howard Lin
i listen to mostly Vocal Jazz, with some classical, opera, alternative, and pop. but i would say 85% vocal jazz.
Howard Lin
what about the Woo Audio WA3. how does that compare to the Crack. does it have the same wide soundstage and Tubey sound?
and how would you rate the WA3 against the 336C
L.
I find the WA3 more ss sounding, we haven’t done a direct comparison
Mike
I really have no experience with the WA3.. unfortunately.
Mike
Though with the WA2 I did get the impression that the Woo OTL may be thin in bass…
howzz1854
thanks guys.. i think i’ll just get a used Crack from head-fi. i think that might be the most viable option. thanks for all the input.
Mike
Hi Howard,
Yes the 336C though I really haven’t had the chance to listen to it.
Another recommendation I can give is the Woo WA6 though I still like the Crack better compared to it.
Bryan Wallin
Mike,
First off, I just want to say I love this website! You’ve posted so much information, and I’ve gone through much of it and have learned a ton. I have a question regarding the HD650. I currently have the HD558 (with a macbook pro => Fiio E17 => E09k), and I love the sound. I feel as though it is slightly veiled, however, and I know you mentioned in several reviews that the HD650 has become less veiled throughout the years. Would you recommend I upgrade to the HD650? Would it give more clarity and detail, or perhaps a better soundstage? Thanks!
Bryan Wallin
I guess what I’m really asking is, are the 650’s more forward, bright, and clear than the 558, but while still maintaining the quality of bass the 558 has?
Mike
It’s a step up in every way, but if you want forward and brighter, my recommendation is to go to the 600.
Bryan Wallin
Thanks for the replies! I’ve also been looking into the Beyerdynamic T90 headphones as well, because they are supposedly more forward and “clear” (yes, in hindsight, I guess I do mean more treble) than the 650. I’ve read the review here on Headfonia, and they seem to fit what I am looking for. I’m slightly worried that the bass may be lacking however. Does anyone have these or can anyone comment on the T90s? I should also mention I’m planning on picking up a Bottlehead Crack eventually as well. 🙂
L.
I love the T90, it’s my fav Beyer. T90 doesnt have the bass quantity of the 650, but it does depend a lot on the amp used. Its more quality vs quantity
Bryan Wallin
How do the T90’s compare to the DT880s (250 Ohm) in bass quantity? I recently tried the 880s and loved them, except for the lack of bass. I was only using the Fiio E17 to power them, though…
Mike
Well the sound signature is radically different on the T90.. and it would give you more treble.
The Fidelio X1 by philips is like a HD650 with more treble, I wrote.
http://www.headfonia.com/the-fidelio-x1-by-philips/
Mike
Hi Bryan,
Thank you and I’m glad you find the site helpful.
650 is definitely a noticeable upgrade from the 558 and even 595 or 598. Lately I’ve been telling people who’s thinking of getting the 598 to go directly to the 600/650 since it’s a noticeable upgrade.
The 600/650 did get a driver material change, not quite on the driver, but more on the driver assembly where they moved from the older darker material (some sort of plastic?) to a newer silver screen material and this newer version is brighter than the old one.
Now, I think that there definitely is a big improvement in detail and clarity from the 5XX series to the 6XX series (outside of the 580 which is practically a cheap HD600). However when people ask for more clarity, some really are asking for more treble and in that sense I can’t guarantee if the Senns are the right headphone for them, compared to say Grados which generally come with more treble quantity.
I still recommend you to give it a try. The Senn HD600/650s are very popular and generally very well regarded.
Mathew Chung
I would loves to buy bottle head crack otl headphone amp can headfonia sell me a complete built set?
L.
Hi Mathew, we are a review site so no we can not sell you a finished Crack. Check with Bottlehead if they can build you one.
howzz1854
hey guys,
i know that you all own Macs. but i was wondering if at some point you guys can review the Asus Xonar Essence STX that’s become so popular on Head-fi. i am interested to see what your thoughts are. i personally own one, and it’s in its stock configuration (without any op amp rolling). and i’ve compare it to some of the portable amps that i’ve owned in the past, Fiio E17, Dacport etc, and i can clearly say with all honesty that it trumped them all in details, accuracy, instrument separation, and soundstage. but i am really interested in hearing what the Pros have to say about it. consider its current price, $200, i really think it’s a great setup.
just a thought.
Mike
Thanks, it’s a sound card isn’t it? I need to have a tower PC to test it on.
L.
And my tower dates back to 1999 😀
Howard Lin
yeah. it’s a soundcard. shielded and insulated. i am not an electrician, but the stages are built for audiophiles and apparently Asus have gone the extra miles with the implementations. Burr Brown PCM 1792 DAC, and decent quality amps. spec wise, it has one of the highest SNR ratio of 124db. i am just wondering what your thoughts are as pros. to me it sounds very neutral, very very quiet, clean and VERY spacious with lots of depth and width compare to many of the popular portable or entry level solutions out there. it’ll be nice to see your guys’ thoughts one day. 🙂
L.
I’m afraid we don’t have the material to test this. sorry
Mike
Yes I’m not doubting the performance.. it’s just that we’ve never really reviewed sound cards as they require a tower PC to test and I don’t have any.
SeFi
Heya guys, just discovered your blog and read a bunch of reviews, I must say you’re doing an awesome job 🙂
I have in mind to change my HD 25-1 because 1. I have some money and 2. I feel like I could maybe get a better headphone that suits my needs.
I have those HD 25-1 for a year or so now and I do love them ! I use them everyday, I’m a huge music addict and I can clearly say that I spend most of the day (7+ hours) with them of my head. BUT this is the first point where I need your expertise, they are not the most comfortable headphones I think I could have…
The thing is I need close headphones, because I wear them in my office all day long and some colleagues are just next to me. Maybe a Circum-aural ?
Next point is I’m mainly listening to Stoner Rock, Heavy Psych music, where guitars are fuzzy as hell m/ ! For example : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpP2b2lz_7E
The bass lines are also very important for me to hear well. This instrument plays a great role in this genre, particularly in the calmer/psych songs where you just light up a joint and fly away… 😉 For example : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dq8YcRi7DD4 or http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pOnvz7u3f8
So I find the HD 25-1 sound to be pretty cool for what I’m listening to everyday, but do you think I could get better headphones which maybe suits more my music style and this comfort issue ? I’m ready to go in the 300€ range, maybe more if you recommend so.
I hope you can help me out guys and I thank you in advance.
Keep Rockin’
Mike
Hi SeFi,
Thank you!
I read your post and though my answer may seem too short, I’ll just say that it’s the Vmoda M100. That’s my HD25-1 replacement and it’s circumaural. I can recommend it wholeheartedly.
Johanes a.f
Hi Mike, so Vmoda M100 superior than HD25?
L.
Or even the Beyer COP
dalethorn
The discussion just above here talks about the comfort issues. For bass, the M100 is much stronger, otherwise the COP and M100 are comparable.
Mike
Sound wise yes, except when you talk about durability which the HD25-1 has been proven to be quite durable.
Johanes a.f
Thanks Mike. Still keep my HD25 after know that, 🙂
Mike
Yeah, have yet to see a HD25-1 broken. Anybody seen one? Maybe share a broken HD25-1 photo to us? 🙂
SeFi
Wow that was fast ! Thanks guys 😉
So I have the M100 for Mike and the Beyer COP for L. 🙂 What are the differences between those 2 ?
I also read that on the M100 it might hurt some people ears because they touch the inner part of the headphones. My ears are a bit “sticking out” and I know I already felt some pain while using gaming cirum-aural headphones back when I was a gamer.
Any thoughts on this ?
Thanks !
L.
I’d stay away from the Vmoda’s then, but that’s just me
SeFi
Mmmmmh and what about the Beyer COP ?
L.
More room than you’ll need
dalethorn
Yep COP is a good choice, and really large deep earcups. I’ve never seen ears too big for the COP.
George Lai
Mine, Dale. And Dumbo’s.
dalethorn
That is amazing. My large ears fit OK. Wow!! You must really hear good!
George Lai
I wish. My main headphones have large ear cavities e.g. LCD2, HD600/650, HE-400 with LCD2 pads, D2000, K550 with LCD2 pads, to name a few.
dalethorn
That’s strange! My HD600 and 650 fit much more snug than the big earcups on my COP.
George Lai
I’m no audiologist, Dale, but I guess it’s got to do with the overall shape of one’s ear as well as the shape of the ear pad especially the cavity. The HD600/650 is snug for horizontal width of the cavity but it’s tall vertically and that suits me. Again, I don’t have the COP, but the DT770LE’s ear cavity vertical height is less. In fact it’s even shorter than the similar DT880 velour. Another factor is how much of a slope angle there is between the rim of the ear cavity and the part of the ear pad that actually touches one’s head. In the case of the DT880 there’s also a seam between the velour and the pleather and that bites into my ear. Hmmm, Maybe I should take a part-time audiology degree.
In Mike and Lieven’s blog on Philips, they quoted that Philips makes their headphones suit 80% of the world’s heads. I’m only thankful garment manufacturers don’t subscribe to that!
George Lai
My two cents worth? If you are sensitive to how comfortable a set of headphones are, please try them first before buying. I have got rid of countless headphones due to the comfort factor. Using the two examples Mike and Lieven suggested, I found the ear pads on the V Moda LP too small and the ear cavity (not the pad) of the Beyer DT770 too small (the COP should be similar). I have since replaced the pad of my DT770. In my view, comfort ranks equal, if not higher, than sound quality.
SeFi
Thanks George, I clearly understand what you’re saying. But here in France it’s kinda difficult to find shops to try a vmoda or a Beyer…
What are your thoughts guys on the Sennheiser Momentum ?
Cheers
L.
Check out our review?
Mike
The Momentum is a fine headphone, refined and smooth but not really a rock headphone. More for Jazz and Vocals. The inner ear pads space is also smaller on the Momentum.
dalethorn
When I’m away from the house and listening to jazz and vocals, I also play some rock tracks. It’s not easy to pull a different headphone out of my pocket just to play different tracks.
Mike
Exactly.. though I know a lot of people who doesn’t cross-genre very often.
dalethorn
I realize most of the pros here want to use amps when out of the house, but when I take a 2-mile walk twice per day, I just use the i-devices. I bought 3 of the little Shuffles and filled each with one genre of tracks (new wave, jazz, rock) and I carry one at a time playing them in random mode. But when I use the iPhone or iPod Touch 64 gb, everything is in one list since I don’t tag the tracks for genre. I wanted to do that tagging but never got around to it. So the shuffles carry that load. Do I presume that the advanced portable music players provide folders? So you can have folders for genres or playlists, without having to tag the music tracks?
Mike
The Beyer is more laid back though if you adjust the bass port you can get more bass quantity coming out of it. I do like the Vmoda’s faster speed and attack though.
And the other question is the circumaural space.. The Vmoda is smaller, but to be honest I’ve yet to find one complain about it. Not saying it’ll fit everyone’s ears, but I think they got the majority — maybe 80% — of the population covered.
Johanes a.f
Hi Mike, have you ever try Yamaha HPH 200?
some impression please 🙂
Mike
Sorry, no.
Oosterman
Hi,
I’m looking for a portable headphone amp to go with my Cowon iaudio 10, Senheisser Momentum and klipsch x10.
At this moment i use a FiiO E7 but i’m looking for an upgrade.
I mainly listen to alternative pop and rock.
Personaly i was thinking about the JBS labs c5.
Do you think this is good combination or do you have any other suggestions?
Thanks!
Mike
Oosterman,
I think the Fiio should deliver enough power for those headphones and I don’t think that the C5 would necessarily improve it. Maybe a different sound signature from the C5, a fuller midrange perhaps. A source upgrade would be a more noticeable upgrade though. I sell the X9 Cowons at the Store and I know that the Fiio X3 and Ibasso DX50 (review coming very soon) are both better in terms of SQ.
Johanes a.f
Just pull the trigger for DX50 and you dont need that Fiio e7. Its can drive 8-300 ohm headphone, even better than my ipod classic 6g in a huge margin of sq.
Bakath
Anyone tried out this amp/dac and if it worth it?
Aune T1 Upgrade Version 6922 Tube 24bit/96kHz Tube Amplifier USB Decoder USB DAC
Mike
They’ve been getting good reviews.. I haven’t listened to it.
Bakath
Taking a chance on it and added a Beyer T 90 hopefully it is good and goes well with the cans.
Mike
I have a feeling it would pair well
Bakath
I am happy!
Mike
Great!
Tim
Hi,Mike
My favorite generics are both classical rock, like Bob Dylan, the Band, Neil Young, and the classical music, like Beethoven, etc. And my headphones are AKG K601240M, GRADO RS1, and my CD player is a Simaudio MOON 360. My question is that up to 1500$, which amplifier probably be my best choice from your eyesight? (Both SS and Tube are ok ).
dalethorn
I don’t really know what is best, but if I can find $1000 USD, I’m going to get a WA7 Fireflies DAC/amp.
Mike
Hi Tim,
The RS1 is a great headphone and still is my favorite til now. The AKGs are good but doesn’t scale up / doesn’t respond to high end amps as well as the RS1.
A sober recommendation from me is the Violectric V200 which is safe within the budget and pairs well with the RS1 but would be too warm for the AKGs. On the other hand there is also a Bottlehead SEX which would be good for the AKGs but may be too bright for the RS1. See the problem is that the AKG and Grado are two very different headphones.
My serious recommendation would be to up the amp budget by $700, I know you can afford it, and get the Eddie Current Zana Deux for $2.2K. It is heavenly with the RS1 and get a Senn HD650–also heavenly on the Zana, to play your Beethoven tracks.
Can’t go wrong with that set up. Sorry about your wallet.
Tim
Thanks a lot, Mike. But now I live in Sydney. It’s not easy to get a Zana Deux here. Yesterday I found another interesting amplifier Fosgate Signature Hybrid Amp in Lieven’s CANJAM EUROPE: THE PICTURE REPORT. It’s about 2000$ also, and I can find a distributor in Sydney. Do you have any idea of this item? Thanks again.
Mike
Sorry to hear that.. I haven’t had the chance to listen to the Fosgate.
Tim
Mike,I have another question. It seems Burson SOLOIST has earned a lot of praise and awards. But nobody talks about what/which headphones it really drives much better or best than other amps!
John123John
Not sure if this had already been asked but Alpha Dog review?
Mike
I believe I emailed Dan about it but I haven’t heard back from him.
Ken Stuart
I will be receiving mine within the next week or so, and I will be sure to post my impressions to this space.
Carl A
Hi Mike,
I have a few questions for you!
Firstly regarding the B&O H6: I read your thoughts recently in your comment posted after the H6 review and was wondering about your observation that for you the mid-treble slight peak would make it a bad choice for both mainstream AND audiophile recordings, yet you still say that overall you really like it and want one. So, were you to own a H6 how would you be getting past that particular problem and also, if using it at home with a computer-based set-up, what would you be partnering it with, amp and/or dac-wise?
I’m still wanting a H6 and after seeing the limited edition agave version(and hugely preferring it to either tan or black)I’m kinda on the clock as it’s limited to 4000 units. I would only be using it at home with my Mac and knowing(from Lieven’s review)that it’s very ‘fussy’ about showing its best with partnering equipment, I’m keen to know what to use between it and my Mac to best aid the sound quality. Hope you can help with that!
Secondly, regarding the Philips L2: Have you any idea when we might see your review? Also, when is it officially released and out there? I’m wondering if there is some sort of embargo on reviews as there are none out there and it’s been a while now.
Would I be far from the mark in thinking that you would reckon the L2 to be the superior headphone to the H6? I read that you feel the L2 to have the best tuning compared to H6 and M100, but does that translate into it being in your opinion quite simply the better headphone?
Apologies for being yet again perhaps more verbose than I need to be and many thanks in advance for your time and thoughts.
Be well.
L.
L2 will be out february 2014. Philips confirmed this, so the review won’t be online anytime soon as you won’t be able to buy it anyway.
Carl A
Bugger! Did they give you any idea where it would fit in price-wise in comarison to the L1 and X1?
February seems so far away!
L.
$299 will be the price
Carl A
Well, not sure what to make of Philips telling you that, when AmazonFrance have the L2 in stock right now at 280 euros …
L.
That’s Europe. US is supposed to be in february 2014
dalethorn
My green H6 will be shipped tomorrow from B&O, about 200 miles from where I’m sitting. It may arrive Friday. Now I have 2 H6’s.
Carl A
Hi Mike,
This is just in case you missed my question below re- the H6 and the Fidelio L2 …
Thanks!
Mike
Sorry for missing your question..
L2 I think overall is the better headphone sonic quality wise. I’m ranking the L2 so high and am making a comparison of it to the he500. I was supposed to finish and publish the review last week but have been delayed. No embargo or nothing like that, I’m surprised Tyll hasn’t published his.
H6, I think it plays well with some coldplay tracks I listened to it but I don’t think its going to be a good mainstream headphone. As I’ve said before, nothing beats the M100 for mainstream recordings. So if I get the H6, I’m going to use it for recordings that it sounds good for.
Carl A
No problem -thanks for quick response.
Last question for the H6: what do you think of it for classical music?
I’ve only just recently started listening to classical and liking it very much.
Thanks, and really looking forward to the L2 review!
Interesting seeing what it costs; Amazon UK right now has the X1 for less than £150, which seems a good deal. Not sure if that isn’t related to the new Philips models arriving imminently.
Be well.
Mike
The H6 is nice for classical but so is the L2.
X1 is nice and I like it as well, but the L2 driver quality is a step up
Carl A
With it not due till Feb next year, I also hope that the units they gave you are representative of production models, and not ‘tweaked’ specials.
John123John
buying headphones is getting alot harder these days..
Mike
Just so difficult ain’t it?
dalethorn
The H6 would be far better for classics and jazz than for rock, electronic, or urban music. A lot of today’s vocals are also mids-emphasized as part of the loudness wars, and are also not ideal for the H6. OTOH, classics vocals (opera, chorus etc.) sound great with the H6.
L.
Be aware that I don’t agree with Mike on the HE500 comparison 😉
Carl A
Okay. Can I presume however that you also rate the L2 pretty highly, if not quite that high?
I’m still interested in the B&O H6 as I love the looks, the fit was incredible and I’m hoping with an amp/laptop dac, that the sound will fill out a little. However it’s quite expensive and if for example it’s looking as though the L2 certainly(plus perhaps a couple others)best it in overall sonics, well then I have to be careful!
Thanks for chiming in – you wouldn’t believe how many times I’ve read your H6 review!
Be well.
L.
For what it’s worth Care, for me L2>H6
Carl A
Thanks, both of you, for the feedback.
George Lai
I hope Philips doesn’t make the same mistake with the L2 because the L1 had ear pads that were just ever-so-slightly bigger than the Momentum, a headphone that drew criticisms from people with smaller ears than yours truly. I gave my L1 away solely for that reason.
Kyliathy
Hi Mike. I read your awesome Sennheiser Trio review and I have to admit I’m really drooling for the HD 650. In your article, however, you mentioned that “With entry level amps, you may not notice the difference in the soundstage of both headphones very much, and both of them would feel just as narrow and congested.”
My question is: do you consider something like NuForce Icon HDP an entry level? It’s roughly 400$ and has 125 mw @ the 300 Ohm that HD 650 has. The icon HDP has 2.6 Vrms on its RCA outputs (don’t think this matters does it?) and 10 hz to 100 Khz freq resp.
I’ve been asking a lot about this amp on HeadFi.org and so far I like the answers but I’d be curious, as I said, as to what you consider “entry level” :). Thank you for reading this :).
Mike
Hi Kyliathi,
I haven’t tried the icon before but I suppose it should be a good enough amp to hear the difference
Kyliathy
Thanks for answering Mike :). Maybe I should ask something else: what’s the minimal approximate price range for a proper amp? Can I find a proper amp at say, $500?
I’ve heard good things about Audio-GD over at the Head-Fi.org Forum. The specs of Audio-GD amps blow the Icon HDP out of the water, I was surprised to see. But of course, the specs are never too relevant. Reviews about those guys, however, are also good. It’s still in the $500 price range I’m willing to go for.
Mike
$500 desktop amps seem to be a difficult price point these days. They are in general not a big improvement over the cheaper amps and they are far from being a high end amp.
I don’t have much experience with Audio Gd and nuforce desktop amps though. If I can recommend something, I’d rather get a $500 DAC with a built in amp. I think you get better value at that price bracket. WM8740/1 and PCM1793/4/5 based DACs seem to be the stuff to go for at that price.
Kyliathy
Great answer Mike :). Yes, I was indeed thinking at DAC+Amp combos, I guess it’s cheaper that way! Audio-GD do have some stuff based on those chips you mentioned, which is also good. What about
ES9018? Know anything about that one? :). I promise I won’t harass you with so many questions anymore, but I’m hoping this might prove a good discussion for other readers as well.
Mike
I’m never a fan of ESS sound even after hearing tons of DACs based on their chips.
Philips
burr brown
Akm
Wolfson
Anything but ESS please!
Kyliathy
Thank you Mike :). You’ve been awesome!
Kyliathy
Mike, sorry to pester again. I just read Lieven’s review about the Objective 2 headphone amplifier, a review in which you also took part. I liked the review and I liked that you guys tried to tamper down NwAudioGuy’s claims about the device. As I said before, I’m searching for a good amp in the $500 range. I was tempted by Audio-GD Compass 2 which uses WM/PCM chips that you just recommended. But NwAudioGuy completely destroyed Audio-GD.
And it’s strange: Brian said that Compass is as good as Headamp Pico (A Quick Comparison: Audio-GD Compass vs HeadAmp Pico) but then in two other Audio-GD reviews of yours (which I read), you’re giving the Audio-GD Compass quite a thrashing.
Do you think the Compass 2 improved? It uses WM8741 and I can also have it with PCM5102 (cheaper price).
Mike
Unless you’re driving planars then yes you need a beefy $500 stand alone amp.
Dave Ulrich
It should also be said that Mike wrote that before amps like the Bottlehead Crack or the La Figaro 336c were known quantities.
Kyliathy
Never heard of those ones. I live in Sweden so my choice is also rather limited.
Ken Stuart
Someone recently posted a link to an 18 month old web page. I
entirely agree with the policy decision to remove discussions on that
issue.
However, the link afforded me yet another opportunity to read the writing of that “guy”.
I wanted to mention that the writing is very clever, and gives the impression of expertise. This impression is strengthened by the well designed layout with bold face bullet points, and cute photos illustrating the points. It gives the impression of “gravitas”. Nevertheless, the arguments on that site always include a huge amount of factually false statements, a large number of illogical arguments and a
large number of irrational arguments.
The whole web site seems to me to be a marketing ploy, to exploit emotional dislike of expensive equipment, in order to sell cheap equipment.
In other words, readers should remember that there is such a thing as “junk science”, where a writer invokes the idea of “science”, without having any actual scientific evidence.
Mike
As with a lot of things, time is the best test.
Good amps will stand the test of time.
Ken Stuart
I just received the Sony MA900s today. Sound is terrible for first two hours, then they sound exceptionally good for the $$. These seem easily the best value under US$300 to me, although I have not heard a lot of the competition, of course. Very lightweight – excellent for hot days. Really excellent soundstage and imaging. Slightly low on lower-midrange quantity, so does not sound warm or dark, but neither does it sound “bright”. IMHO a more rigid yoke would improve them. Really good for classical music, so I am surprised that Mike has mentioned hearing them, but has not said word one about them…
Mike
ken, I think its a good headphone and one of the better ones from Sony. Its warm and spacious at the same time. Tonally I think its better than the MDR 1R
Ken Stuart
Did you find any downsides, especially in comparison to the HD598 and other similarly priced open headphones ?
John123John
are you considering a review for the ma900? as it is getting some popularity while stilling being an underdog (oxymoron?)
they just look so dinky~
Mike
I guess I can, but I have a lot of things on my review list now.. 🙂
Short review maybe. 🙂
Daniel Gosling
Hi Mike, are you selling ocharakus atm at your store? The SUI model Im interested in.
For postage to the UK.
Mike
Sorry but no I don’t have them.
simon
Hi, i have a Grado rs1i and a Audinst HUD-MX1, i want to make HUD-MX1 as DAC, what would be a good desktop AMP for around US$400-600?
TV.
Hi Lieven and Mike,
I have Hifiman HE-500 and Sen HD600 headphones, and want to buy a up to 2000$ SS amp. Do you have any advice especially for He-500? Soloist, V200, Bryston Bha-1 or others?
Mike
The V200 is phenomenal for the HE500 but you have to use it with the V800 DAC, for some reason that combo works
Dave Ulrich
And use the balanced connection, right?
L.
That’s correct!
TV.
God! My wallet..
Mike, do you mean that the magic of V800 Combo is mainly because of the balanced connection providing higher output energy? Or, by contrast, because of the chemical effect working as 200+800 >>1000?
My CDP has a good enough inner DAC ( I think its performance is worthy of 1000$) also with the XLR output. Could it work well just directly connecting my CDP with V200? Or will I have to check out a V800?
L.
just try. For the HE-500 in particular, the balanced combo between V200 and V800 is the best
Mike
Hi,
I don’t think its solely the balanced, though it does help, but the V800-200 combo is just special.
TV.
Thanks, Mike and Lieven. I think I get the real advice.
Ken Stuart
The new WD 2TB hard drive (enough for an entire music collection) is really small – size of an iPhone plus 1 inch in width, and very thin. It looks like it would work in a portable headphone amp “stack” – but my question (I am not a portable headphone guy) is – do any of the players accept USB input for more storage ? A casual glance indicates SD cards only for some players. This is an “anyone can answer”, thanks.
Mike
Not that I know of Ken
Ken Stuart
Hmm… that means that a 7-inch Android Tablet is probably the smallest “player” that can use this hard drive (if USB 3.0 to MicroUSB cables don’t exist, I’m sure one could be made custom).
Mike
Too much of a hassle Ken.
You sure you need that much space?
dalethorn
The hard drives turn off soon after access to save wear, and the startup times can be very annoying, especially on a portable device – not so much a problem on a desktop even though it can be annoying. I didn’t have that problem on several hard-drive laptops I used to have, but the new 1 and 1.5 tb drives I have are bugging me. The USB 3.0 drive is the worst. Maybe if you have a USB-3 drive in a USB-3 port, the device will somehow get around that problem. But I don’t know that many portable devices have USB-3 capability.
Ken Stuart
The external drives I have used in the last year or so have all had utilities that can control the “power saving” feature, so that you can set them to “always on”. And by the way, the spin-down is only to save electricity, note that hard drive engineers say that “always on” wears the least, since it is on-off cycles that create wear.
dalethorn
The reason I mentioned it was after being active on the Luminous Landscape “Fine Art” photo forum for a year, I read and discussed many, many posts with users of WD mini-drives that failed left and right. So I’m not certain at this point that any of the $100 or so mini-drives can hold up under constant spinning for a few years like desktop drives.
rich
For Sony EX1000 or EX700 fans, the AK100 & 120 are very compatible with these earphones. Gone are the stringent highs which some find these offensive. The AKs bring out the best in these Sony earphones.
Mike, do you recommend the Teac UD-501 which is able to play DSD 5.6MHz /PCM 384 dac . Also the separate HA 501 the power amp with dual Muse 8920 per channel ? I don’t you did not review these. But you the walking encyclopaedia may know.
Thank you.
Mike
Hi Rich,
I listened to them and was not that blown away, but it may be the Onkyo headphone they were paired to that’s being the bottleneck. However the DAC sounds pretty clinical and though technically may be good is probably not my cup of tea..
But those are just brief impressions so read around other people’s review (if there are any)
dalethorn
I just got the v-moda XL pads and put them on the M100. Beastly difficult to get the old ones off, and I have strong hands. The XL pads are deeper and more comfortable, but lighten up some of the excess bass as well. I don’t know if the bass difference is due to the shape or size, or due to the 6 breathing holes on the inside of each earpad. With the XL pads the M100 is still darker and bassier (including the low bass) than the Beyer COP, the B&W P7, and the Shure 1540.
Marc
Mike,
You’ve said that you’ve found the Shure 1540 a warmer, more spacious, and more bassy version of the Shure 1840. I’m guessing that the comparison would be a bit off as they are two dissimilar headphones, but could you describe and compare the 1540 and the Fidelio X1 in terms of soundstage, and your preference?
Thanks!!
Mike
I think the 1540 is overall better. More accurate soundstage, better depth, fuller mids, overall more organic and analog.
Marc
One last question!! What portable amplifier would you recommend for the 1540? I guess I’m getting these when I get the chance
Mike
I haven’t tried that many amps with it but its very easy to drive so the requirements should not be that demanding
Marc
Thanks again Mike, excited to read your future reviews!!
dalethorn
Works very well with the FiiO E07k, and then adding the E09 would be icing on the cake. But the 1540 quality is such that whatever you can afford you’ll be able to appreciate the improvement.
Marc
I’m guessing from your reply that the 1540 scale very well with higher quality equipment. Interesting!!
dalethorn
It’s hard to know just which headphones have the best potential for improvement, but my general rule is the better of the well-respected brands above $400 USD or so – the Shures, Sennheisers, Beyers etc. – usually are built with the materials and design for better amplification. So even though there are some exceptions, just running through the lowball amps I have tells me that the 1540 will sound significantly better with a good DAC/amp around $1000. I don’t think that’s a bad price either, but I’d get something with good bass control.
Marc
Right now I have the Sennheiser Momentum and I find it great as a portable. My problem with them is that it seems to lack that final bit of resolution and detail that you’d normally look for when you’re listening at home, unbothered. I’m hoping the 1540 would satisfy.
dalethorn
I don’t have the Momentum here now, but I definitely wasn’t satisfied with the upper treble. The 1540 (for all I know) might be just marginally better, but it’s enough to enjoy those details. I used to think maybe the Momentum samples that were sold might vary a little in their response, so some users got a better sample. But I tend to doubt it now. I just wish I could make a direct comparison, but I wasn’t able to stuff any more gear in the closet, so the Momentum had to go.
dalethorn
The 1540 has no relation to the 1840. The fit is very different, the sound is totally different. Besides the fact that the 1840 bass at 30 hz is essentially defective and absent at 20 hz, the treble of the 1840 is shy in the lower treble and more energetic higher up – the opposite of the 1540.
Marc
Would you also consider the 1540 to be a more upscale product compared to the Sennheiser HD650? Do the 1540 fare better than the HD650 with faster music?
dalethorn
Mike or Lieven might know the answer to that – I had the first HD650 but it’s changed since then to something with more bass. The SRH1540 is definitely a step above headphones like the Beyer COP, B&O H6, B&W P7 and so on, but your question is the key question – exactly how does it compare to the Senn HD650? The Shure 1840 is not ‘bright’ in my opinion, and the Senn Momentum has a treble rolloff above approximately 7 khz, so I’m tentatively putting the 1540 has half way between the 1840 and Momentum in upper treble, and somewhere between the v-moda M100 and Shure 1840 in bass – probably a little closer to the M100 than the 1840.
Marc
What would be your preference then should you have chosen only one, the 1840 or the 1540?
dalethorn
The 1540 by a huge margin. I think the 1540’s high treble is slightly recessed, but I can still hear sufficient upper harmonic details to be happy with it. The 1540 bass is strong, and I hear more boominess than what’s ideal in perhaps 10 percent of my tracks, but all of the alternatives are worse, at least at the $500 mark. The 1840 physically is a better design – I like the metal mesh on the earcups much better than the 1540’s “carbon fiber” look, and I like the 1840 velour pads way better than the rubbery cloth-covered pads on the 1540. But, the 1540 to me plays all the music, and with the 1840 so much of my music seems like something is missing. Check a track by Jennifer Warnes (Rock You Gently) on the 1840 with the beginning bass notes – the sound is positively weird, and there’s no fundamental at all from 30 hz down. I’ve never heard another headphone play that track like that.
Marc
Thanks for the replies and impressions!! Great help
Ken Stuart
There are no bass notes below 41hz (with the exceptions of 88key piano, contrabasson, harp and pipe organ). I haven’t heard that specific track, and it’s possible that there are super low bass synthesizer notes, but somehow that seems unlikely given the artist. 99.99% of recordings don’t have “notes” below 50hz, with, of course, big exceptions for electronica and hip-hop (and genres with “bass” or “dub” in the names) where the idea is to use the 12 inch woofers in the car trunk/boot (and of course, movie special effects).
dalethorn
Whatever those notes/impacts are, they are clean on every single headphone and IEM that I have, and the 1840 just can’t play those notes. Below that frequency the bass is absent, which is easily verifiable with ordinary test tones. But even before I became enamored of some of the better headphones with decent bass response (I do not include the Philips L1, vmoda M100, Logitech 6000, or many other heavy bass headphones – just those with ‘good’ bass), I was losing interest in the 1840 due to the weak bass. Not terribly weak – just slightly, but sometimes even one decibel is the deciding amount.
dalethorn
On a whim I bought the B&O H3 IEM from the Apple store, and let it burn in all day. Then when I listened I thought the sound was basically good and hi-fi, but it had a weird tonality. So I ran some test tones. A lot of test tones, just to be sure. Smooth from 20 hz to 1.5 khz. Then up about 3 db at 2 khz. Up another 4 db at 3 khz. Up another 3-4 db at 4 khz. Up again at 5 khz – can’t be sure how much, since most headphones I use have a dip there, but since this is ear canal, I suppose the response is as it sounds. The response drops off pretty rapidly after 5 khz, but still sounds like a usable upper treble, if I could get past the lower treble.
The other amazing (really!) thing about the H3 is it fit my ear canals instantly with the standard tips, and has no tendency to loosen the seal. This is the first IEM that has fit me thusly, and even the IE800 with its good tip selection won’t seal right away and falls out after a while.
Marc
Hey Dale, have you heard? One of the contributing factors to the more bass in the SRH1540 compared to the 1840 are the alcantara pads. Interchanging them is said the give the 1840 the bass it’s said to lack!! Something for you to try haha
dalethorn
I would guess using the alcantara pads would help the 1840 in some respects, but I would be very surprised if it could correct the badly-reproduced bass at the low end – that’s not a function of weakness – it’s a distortion of some kind, resonance, etc. Since I donated my 1840 nearly a year ago I won’t be able to try it.
Mike
That’s worth trying for sure.
Although I can’t get over the fact that the 1540 has a more accurate timbre than the higher-end, open-back 1840.
Siddharth Mitra
Which iem’s intended for trance would you recommend? (Around the $200 mark)
Mike
Something with a really punchy bass.. maybe the IE80. You can probably find other bass heavy IEMs, but I’m not that familiar with bass heavy IEMs.
NN.
I’m really having a hard time finding good jazz recordings. and I have been listening to great classic records of the 20s-40s,, however i find the recording quality to be mediocre… any recommendations?
dalethorn
Are you looking for jazz recordings in the 20’s to 40’s styles, mainly or entirely? I just downloaded the album Heterogeneity by Benjamin Herman – fabulous. But Herman also does ‘crossover’ so beware. Also some of David Chesky’s downloads at HDTracks are excellent, as are those by David Hazeltine.
NN.
I’m not looking for anything in particular and am open up to anything… I just enjoy the genre as a whole… thanks for the recommendations will definitely check those out :))
dalethorn
Bob Belden; Ron Carter; “Best of NY Jazz Sessions”. Ben Goldberg “Root and Branch”. Ben Heit Quartet. Bobo Stenson Trio. Carlos Mejia Godoy. Charlie Haden Quartet. Clark Terry. Dexter Gordon. Dick Hyman. Joey DeFrancesco-John McLaughlin. Lars Erstrand.
Marc
Mike, if you still remember, how was the bass response of the AK10? Was there any part of the frequency range that seemed emphasized or recessed for you?
Mike
Flat, just a bit thin compared to the AK100-120.
Marc
Oh, I doubt these would do too well with the L2…
Mike
Oh and we have the AK10 at the store now!
R12wan
Hi. I am really stuck on what to purchase for my first set of quality headphones at or below the £260 mark. If I were to pick a sound that I like the most it would be the Momentum Over Ear’s but just not enough base emphasis or PRAT. I have tried the following with plenty of listening but nothing makes me want to buy:
B & W P3 – Lovely warm vocals, nice base but a bit cloudy at times.
Senn Mom Over Ear – Almost perfect. Not enough PRAT. Too polite. Poor fit = little base impact.
Senn Mom On Ear – Too bassey and not comfortable and didn’t like the soundstage
Beyerdynamic T51p’s – Almost perfect but very slightly recessed vocals which annoyed me after a while
Amperior’s – Amazing with some music but where I wanted to listen to songs with vocals such as Cat Stevens Morning Has Broken or Frank Hamilton, they were a little to Rockin and a little distracting.
Basically I am looking for a HIFI signature sound, warm vocals with some Rocking and with good PRAT. All the above had elements I like but not in one headphone.
Listen though iPhone/Ipod mainly through Spotify with their best quality files and also through music library bought through iTunes.
I listen to chart music and also like RnB, London Grammar, Cat Stevens, all sorts but not much classical. Any suggestions would be gratefully received?
dalethorn
Most if not all of the items you listed are unbalanced in one way or another – bass, midrange, treble, and how those imbalances negatively affect the other things like soundstage and accuracy of timbre. I’d recommend a listen to the B&O H6, B&W P7, Beyerdynamic COP ( much better balanced than the DT770), and if you can stretch the budget, the new Shure SRH-1540.
R12wan
Thank you for the recommendations. I’m writing this in a rush but will read up some reviews on the sound signature of your recommendations and may come back to you with a question or two in the next day or so if that’s ok. Thanks again.
dalethorn
Thank you. My suggestions are based on the most obvious colorations with each headphone – the aspects that make up the greatest deviation from overall accurate sound. But that’s as far as I go in those things – when you zero in on your best choices, you should also refer to the Headfonia reviews here for more detail on the finer points of performance for each headphone.
L.
I would recommend the Cop or DT770, but mostly the COP
Mike
Your impressions mimic mine a lot.
Again it seems you’re looking for that one perfect headphone which in many cases don’t exist. My take these days: Vmoda M100 for all-around genre bandwidth and good PRaT
Fidelio L2 for sonic quality.
R12wan
Thank you Mike, L and Dale for your suggestions. Useful, since I hadn’t actually considered any of those suggestions. I have read all the reviews on your site as well as comments on the suggestions where reviews were available and my conclusion is that I will just have to try and get my hands on ALL of them to try them myself. Everyone seems to have a different opinion. The L2 sounds good though!
Funny that both Dale and L suggested the COP as that was the one I initially thought I would not try. The review’s comments on the COP’s mid’s echoed my own thoughts on the Beyerdynamic T51p’s. I believe L has tried the T51p’s right? Are the mids on the COP as recessed as the T51p’s? I found that I felt the mids just weren’t forward enough for my liking, like the volume needed turning up. Some tracks were fine but listening to Adele or Queen for example, those impressions were more prominent.
dalethorn
The solution sounds more and more like the H6, if you wouldn’t have a problem with the color (insert better term here) of those mids. The overall balance of the H6 is close enough to a good neutral I think to cover the widest range of genres, but you’d have to get used to its particular signature.
R12wan
The H6 definitely sounds like a contender. I’m getting hold of one next week so will see. I was a bit confused by the terminology used to describe the voices: “thinner” and “lighter”. I’m really new to audio equipment and own nothing at the moment apart from apple EarPods. I don’t even have any full size speakers! So getting used the terms people use to describe music is new to me. BTW I tried the Dirac HD app following your and Rockwell’s (yes I’m a bit of a photography nut) review. I don’t have a lot of music stored in iTunes but listened to the new London Grammar album and it sounded perfect to me. If all my music was stored in iTunes, I’d just stick with the apple ear phones!
dalethorn
It’s too bad that ‘thinner’ and ‘lighter’ aren’t really accurate for the H6 sound, but describing it accurately isn’t easy. Mainly I would say a midrange that’s emphasized more in the upper mids than the lower mids. Male voices are where you’ll hear the most difference.
dalethorn
Got the Audioengine D3 DAC/amp today – better sound than my other mini-DACs, especially in bass tone. Dynamics are good – I haven’t driven it to distortion yet using the Shure 1540.
ro
Would you say much better than the microStreamer? I found that to overly boost the 1540’s low frequencies and make the high frequencies more recessed.
dalethorn
The highs are comparable, but the lows with the D3 are better – not boosted at all, they just have more tone and detail. If you listen to the 1540 without treble EQ, then you’ll have a negative impression of it since the highs of the 1540 are recessed 4 or 5 db at least. I don’t detect anything bad between the properly-EQ’d 1540 and the D3 – it’s pure gold to me.
Alexandre
I just copied below my question which I posted in the wrong section. Sorry about that.
Hi Mike,
First of all many thanks for your work as it helps a lot for a newbie like me! However, the more I read and the more questions I have…
I am currently looking for a new headphone and do not really know which one to chose. I will use this headphone with an ipod (no amp) when traveling (bus, subway, walking, …). Most of my music is unfortunately in AAC because I simply have to much to have it all in loseless on my ipod… Loseless on the computer though which will be the other usage but much less. I listen to all kinds of music with a predominance for pop and rock (Smiths, At the drive in, Beatles, …) but also folk, soul, R&B, classic, …. so I am looking for something that will play well everything. I understand that I cannot get the perfect match for everything though 🙂 Ideally, I would like something with a neutral sound but still a bit of character (not something that is only bass, or just good in trebel, …).
I almost forget! It needs to be comfortable 🙂
Among the names I selected there is:
– Sennheiser momentum (I have been told that the on-ear is better with an adjustment in the trebel through the EQ but to be honest I felt not so comfy when trying them. I am not sure I could spend 4-5h wearing them. The regular one however is spot on for comfort.)
– V-Moda M100 (I did not have the chance to try them. I read everything on these going from the better to the worst and I have no clue whether they would be a good fit or not!)
– BeyerDynamics Custom One Pro (I liked it a lot when I tried it but may be a bit too neutral? I could not spend much time on it but it sounded a bit like the first in the class but lacking character. I have to say they were brand new without any usage before.)
B&W P7 (I liked your review but as they are very demanding with the source I think it is a no go)
– BO H6 (Is it like the P7 very demanding with the source? or an ipod will be enough to get a good sound? I actually just tried them and really liked the sound and comfort.)
– MF 100 (not sure about this one)
I am of course open to any suggestion if you think there is another more appropriate.
As for the price, I do not really have any fixed budget. I guess there is no point in buying the more expensive given the use I will have and the source. But I am willing to pay the extra buck if it really makes a difference and for comfort.
Many thanks for your help.
Alex
dalethorn
The original Momentum has a recessed upper treble – all bad news to me. The M100 is neutral with ipod Bass Reducer EQ – excellent in fact, but very boomy played flat. The COP is quite neutral and detailed, but the bass at best is just so-so. I like it a lot. The P7 has better mids than the H6, but the bass is boomy while the H6 bass is nearly perfect (i.e. “neutral-plus”). The P7 treble is a bit more crispy than the H6, so depending on your sensitivity to strong treble, there you go. I don’t find any of these headphones a problem straight from an ipod, however, if you have very low-volume music tracks, which can be common in classical or other music, then you could run out of volume on some tracks. Even when volume is peaked, I don’t get obvious distortion with an ipod, however I expect it does some “soft clipping”.
Alexandre
Thanks for your help on this.
Newbie question: what do you mean by “soft clipping”?
With your comment on the P7, I am even more confused! I read everywhere that it was a very demanding headphone which required good encoding to give its best. I therefore assumed it would be a pitty to use it with an ipod.
I tried the H6 today and did not get any volume issue (playing classic or folk). Will try to get a hold of a P7 to try as well.
I agree with your comment on the COP and therefore it lacks a bit of character to me. I thought the H6 had just this little touch that made them more to my taste. But I could only try both of them for 4-5 min.
Would you recommend the V-Moda with EQ bass reduction or it is a notch below the rest?
The price range between all these cans is quite wide so it is hard to judge. Are there one or two among this list that do better than the rest considering I listen to all kind of music. Of course I understand that each has its qualities and defaults. Or any other headphone that you think is better?
Thanks again for the help. I really appreciate.
dalethorn
Lets’s start with P7 and ‘demanding’. I’m using an iPod Nano with EQ turned OFF, so playing flat. David Chesky/Wonjung Kim – Girl From Guatemala (very hifi, dynamic, and demanding): Sounds perfect. Next: Also Sprach Zarathustra (Mester/Pasadena Sym. 1993): Biggest 32 hz bass on any recording, with extremely dynamic tympani: Plays loud and good. Seal – Kiss From a Rose: Plays well, and bass is very impactful. — So even if what I’m hearing isn’t as good as a $500 DAC and amp, it’s pretty good. For the headphones as a group, I think the H6 matches your needs best as you described them. My second choice for you would be the P7 followed by the COP followed by the M100. I suppose the M100 could be better with bass reduction than the COP played flat with bass port 3 setting, but given that the COP is very satisfactory to me played flat, I think it’s a better bet than the M100. The only way I’d suggest the M100 over the COP is if you want the extra strong (and good) bass for some applications.
Alexandre
Thanks a lot. It looks a bit clearer to me now. I will spend more time testing the H6 and P7.
If I have a chance to get my hands on it, I will also try the V-Moda out of interest. Who knows, I might fell in love!
dalethorn
Almost forgot Soft Clipping. It’s just (assuming I have it right, but what other explanation could there be?) an electronic trick similar to compression that assures that when the amp runs out of power for large dynamic peaks, instead of going into extreme harsh distortion, the sound just becomes a little bit muddier and the details in those dynamics are lost or modified somehow. Any manufacturer of these amps (or chipsets) can program them any way they see fit. As I listen to iPods, I don’t have any complaints at all, but when comparing an iPod directly to a good external amp under normal conditions (not too loud), I hear the normal improvements such as much better soundstage and sense of air and space, better bass control, etc. But when comparing an overdriven iPod to that same amp (assuming that external amp has the headroom you’re asking of it), then the difference becomes much greater. These things are tricky to test since there are so many factors, not the least of which are the music tracks.
Alexandre
thanks for the technical explanation!
Mike
Really? Recessed upper treble and the M100 neutral? The Momentum has more upper treble than the M100.
dalethorn
The bass-reduced M100 (latest edition) treble is more or less flat, much like the Shure 1840, but with a little more presence. I can retest it a hundred times, but the result is the same. When played without EQ, the M100 isn’t that good. The original Momentum upper treble is definitely recessed compared to the lower treble – I found it unlistenable and gave it away. To many people it wouldn’t be a huge difference, but it’s there in the reviews – Tyll’s sample was same as mine.
Mike
Hi Alexandre,
I think the M100 is the best all-rounder headphone in the market today.
Alexandre
Thanks Mike.
I see that you have a very different opinion than Dalethorn on the subject! It shows that in the end it is very much to everyone’s own appreciation and remain very subjective.
Like I said to Dale, I will also give a try to the V-Moda (if I can get my hands on it). On your hand, you do not suggest any bass reduction? You like it as it is?
Mike
On the internet people tend to put high marks for neutral sound, maybe because of the lack of auditioning place.
In real life I find that almost everyone prefers headphones with good bass. And this even includes the serious enthisiasts.
kranker
Hi Mike / L,
I’ve currently got a Just Audio AHA-120 amp along with the Just Audio dac, Hifiman HE400 and Sennheiser HD600 and I mainly listen to electronic with a bit of metal and rock thrown in. I’ve got the opportunity to get a brand new pair of Beyer T5p for a good price and i’m after a closed headphone for night time listening. So my questions are….
1) Would the T5p be a significant upgrade on the HE400 (i’m very happy with the HE400 for the electronic stuff, but perhaps not so keen with them on rock, especially vocals)?
2) Would the T5p suit the music I listen to?
3) How much sound do they leak?
4) Hows the bass compared to the HE400?
Thanks for the fantastic and accessible site and for getting me into headphone listening.
Mark
Atriya
Hello Mike,
I have a Schiit Modi + Magni, and listen to 24/96 audio with my HE-400 headphones. I’m thinking of buying the new Schiit Loki and trying out DSD64 sources (played with Audirvana). Do you think my amp and headphones (that is, Magni and HE-400), are resolving enough that it would be meaningful to take this step? Or would it be pointless, since DSD64 and 24/96PCM for a given recording, would be indistinguishable on a Magni+HE-400?
I’m confused, because its possible that DSD only makes sense for people who own REALLY high-end gear like Senn HD800s. If that is so, I won’t buy the Loki.
Thanks,
Atriya
L.
While the HE400 is a good headphone that is a lot of fun, it isn’t the most detailed or resolving one. I tend to stay far away from Schiit, so I wouldn’t be able to comment on those amps you mentioned.
Atriya
Thanks. The question is, of course, whether it is resolving enough to tell between 24/96PCM and DSD64 (assuming the same good-quality recording). Of course, I realize that may be a difficult question.
L.
I think every component in your chain will influence the quality of your sound. You might hear a difference but if the headphone can’t do the job, you’re no good with a great amp and dac. Maybe Dale has listened to the Schiit gear?
John123John
question….
did you guys fix the search function..?!?!?! :0
L.
Was there something wrong with it then?
John123John
it gave like terrible search results before. Now its like… accurate.
L.
Magic
Mike
Instead of using in site search, please search through google.
Type in for instance (on the search box):
http://www.headfonia.comUE900
John123John
I think you misunderstood, sorry if it was unclear. I meant to say that it works very well now so I was wondering if you did something with it 🙂
Mike
No, I understood what you mean. 🙂
I should’ve been more clear. I just want to say that google search is still best even compared to our in-site search.
kranker
I posted a few days ago but nobody has replied…..could somebody please help me out as i’m really not sure whether to go for the T5p (and I can’t try before I buy unfortunately). I’ve got an aha-120 / HE400 and listen mainly to electronic with some rock. Would the T5p be a significant upgrade on the HE400 (i’m very happy
with the HE400 for the electronic stuff, but perhaps not so keen with
them on rock, especially vocals, guitar), and hows the T5p’s bass compared to the HE400?
Thanks,
Mark
L.
I’d stick with the HE-400. We’re not too crazy about the T5p, 51P is better already
kranker
Ok, thanks L, i’ll stick with HE400s for now and try out the 51p when they’re available. BTW, any thoughts on the IE800, as i just sold my ue900s and am looking for new iems.
Mark
L.
Good, lots of bass but a bit pricey imo
Mike
My favourite IEM but my store customers likes AKG K3003 better.
I’ve found two different variants of the IE800 sound. One has a forward midrange, one more neutral. This is based on evaluations of several different units. Don’t know what’s going on with Senn.
Mike
Sorry if I missed this. The T5p isn’t exactly a headphone for electronic IMO. It’s smooth and soft, a bit hot with the treble (no no for electronic recordings), bass impact is moderate to soft levels. It’s going to be an expensive meh for electronic.
I’d give the bass heavyweights headphone a priority over the T5p. Try the Aedle VK-1, Vmoda M100, Beyer COP
kranker
Thanks Mike, that saves me a few quid on the T5p! I forgot all about the Aedle, i’ll have to go re-read your review.
Mark
James Lown
I currently have an HTC One. It has an amazing headphone driver and I want something powerful to pair it with. I am currently looking at the Beyerdynamic Custom One Pro. Any suggestions on other headphones or reasons why the Custom One Pro would be best for what I need.
I listen to a lot of hip hop and electronic music. But I also love listening to modern rock groups too.
Mike
The COP is a good one to try James.
My favourite is Vmoda M100.
James Lown
The Vmoda’s look like weapons. I’ve heard really great things about them but I really think I’m gonna go with the COP because of the bass filter on it.
L.
That would be my choice too
dalethorn
The M100 will give you serious bass *quality*, whereas the COP gives you selectable *strength* without as much quality. If the very strong bass of the M100 is too much, you can EQ it down and not lose the lower bass (unlike the COP), and you will never find the M100 to be bass-shy.
Zeus L. Remos
I have the ATH-Pro700MK2 and I listen to mainly Trap, some EDM, and a little Hip-hop instrumental. I enjoy the sound very much. However, will getting an amp such as the PA2V2 improve the quality substantially? If not the PA2V2, any other pocket amp’s sub-$100? (I am virtually illiterate when it comes these discussions so dumb it down for me please haha)
Thank you!
Mike
Yes the Pro700 benefits from an amp.
The PA2V2 is very good for sub $100. You can also try the CmoyBB from JDSLabs or Fiio E11 but pairing wise I think the PA2V2 is best for the Pro700Mk2
Zeus L. Remos
Thanks man
Michael Mossey
I’m trying to contact you regarding sending some equipment for review, but your contact form is broken. Please fix it or contact me my email address below or facebook message or however Disqus works. Thank you.
Austin Morrow
Hi Mike,
As you probably know, and as I’ve already talked to Lieven about on Twitter, it’s been a little over 8 months since I’ve posted a review (I actually posted one a week ago on the Miniwatt N4, starting to get into it again), and this was due to the fact that I had started college and was working a semi full time job that had me up until 11 o’clock every night doing work, and the website was simply not an option. Things have changed recently that let me have some free time with reviews and such, and during the course of the last year, I have gathered up enough money to buy a nice pair of high end headphones, and after A/B’ing the LCD-2, LCD-3, HD800, T1, HE-6, and HE-500, I found that the HE-500 was best suited for my listening preferences, and am using the Forzaudio Works Noir Flagship headphone cable terminated in a TRS jack and am using that with a Yulong DA8 (incorporates the Sabre ES9018 DAC chip, the best I’ve heard to date on any high end device), and am now in need of a dedicated headphone amp around the $2K range since I already have the DAC. Can be either tube or solid state, but needs to incorporate a single ended circuitry design, as I’m not in the market for a balanced amp, and do not want an adapter for my cable. Any suggestions? Thanks!
L.
V200
Mike
HI Austin,
Violectric V200 + V800 for the Hifiman.
rich
I bought the Violectric combination as well as the ASUS Muse through Mike’s favourable reviews. These were right decisions. The components sounds great.
Just a follow up, the Asus Muse has 2 firmware updates. Once done, the sound is awesome. Thanks Mike for your golden ears, judgement and nose to sense out good products and recommends these to his readers.
Mike
Wow, thanks rich!
Ken Stuart
First Impressions of MrSpeakers Alpha Dog (Fostex planar T50RP mod with 3D printed ear cups and asymmetrical ear pads):
* Definitely neither “warm” or “dark”… but also not “bright”. Very well balanced in that respect. Not as warm as the Mad Dog (as others have said).
* Very sensitive to fit and placement on your head – of course, once you get this right, it’s easy to just put them in exactly the same place every time. I found that I had to rotate the ear pads to make them parallel to my ear shape (in the same way that people have been doing with the Mad Dogs), in order to get the correct bass response.
* Even more resolving of micro-details than the Mad Dog.
* The Alpha Dog has really nice presentation of instrumental timbre and detail. The tuning accomplished by the structure of the new cups really helps to get a even, accurate presentation of the sound of instruments. The Mad Dog is also good at this – its lack of “ringing” gives it greater clarity than, say the HE-400 – but the lack of soundstage depth causes multiple instruments to interfere with each other (what is usually termed “congestion”).
* Something about the new cup design of the Alpha Dog allows it to have significant soundstage depth, separating instruments away from eachother, and making them individually identifiable. The combination of this with the excellent timbre, gives a very natural presentation of instruments not unlike some Magneplanar speakers.
* This makes the Alpha Dog really excellent with classical music. I listened to the amazing section of the RCA Living Stereo SACD of Scheherazade – “The Story of the Kalendar Prince” at 8:20-9:30 where Reiner gets a huge orchestra to turn on a dime like a jazz trio. The various instruments in the outstanding recording are spread out in front of you, left to right and front to back, and sound beautiful.
* In contrast, the accuracy of the Alpha Dog is not quite as compelling a factor with modern music like EDM. Such music has no real soundstage, and is so processed that it is impossible to tell what it issupposed to sound like – what is “correct”. So, whatever produces the most enjoyable sound is best with modern music – regardless of accuracy. Amongst my headphones, the Mad Dog has the most enjoyable sound with EDM. The Mad Dog enhanced the exaggerated dynamics, harmonics and strong bass of Skrillex’s “Rock ‘n’ Roll”, while its midrange clarity made the effects all the more enjoyable. The more accurate and nuanced presentation of the Alpha Dog was no advantage with this track, especially since there is no soundstage depth of significance in the recording.
* So, if you listen to little or no jazz, blues, folk, bluegrass or classical at all, you will probably find the Mad Dog more to your liking. Its added warmth, slightly better dynamics, and better pairing with lesser equipment is ideal for 21st Century music styles. However if you listen to a good portion of those classic styles and also some modern music, then the Alpha Dog is an excellent choice, because its rendition of modern music is good enough to enjoy any piece of music. However, having both the Mad Dog and the Alpha Dog, I would find myself plugging in the Mad Dog to listen to EDM and even some reggae…
Summary: The instrumental detail of the Alpha Dog is its strongest point. The custom cups and the individual tuning* combine to give a very flat and even frequency response which gives a very natural timbre, and the combination of that natural timbre and instrumental detail is its “signature quality”. (* Dan personally tunes each of pair of Alpha Dog headphones)
Mike
Thanks Ken. I’m still waiting for mine. 🙂
Mathew Chung
I wanted a portable amp to drive my ibasso dx50 with sennheiser hd650,do you think ibasso anaconda will do the job or AlO audio national?
Mike
Hi Matthew,
I’m not familiar with that Ibasso amp. I’m sure both amps can drive the 650 fine as modern amps are very powerful. I can say that the National pairs well with the 650.
Farid
Hi Mike, bought Apex Glacier from headfonia store few weeks back to drive my Marshall Monitor headphone. Love it so far. Thinking to upgrade the headphone. Any suggestion? My music Pink Floyd, Genesis, Dream Theater with occasional jazz.
TIA. Farid.
Mike
Haha Vmoda M100 Farid.
BattousaiX26
Hi Sir Mike! I just want to ask if you have already heard how the Audio Technica’s AD2000x sounds? 🙂
Mike
No sorry
Ken Stuart
Okay, here is my impression of the new Schiit Vali $119 hybrid amp after well over 100 hours of burn-in (as suggested by Schiit):
* The burn-in clears up and elevates the treble and upper mids. At unboxing, the Vali seemed dull on the high end, and now it is bright (but not overly so).
* I like the Vali the most with the…. Mad Dogs. The Mad Dogs seem to have just enough sensitivity and the Vali just enough power for the combination to work well. Or it could be due to some other electrical aspect. The Vali has a shallow soundstage, and this is not a problem with the Mad Dog because it also has a shallow soundstage.
* I don’t like the Vali with the HE-400. It sounds congested – there is a hint of distortion on quick transients. I also did not like the HE-400 with the Magni and it may be that the output stage of both is in common and is not a good match for the HE-400. I find that the HE-400 is like the other HiFiMen, in that it sounds much better on a vintage power amp (or the Emotiva which I have not heard).
* The Alpha Dog does not work as well with the Vali as the Mad Dog. The better soundstage on the Alpha Dog needs something with a better soundstage, and the Alpha Dog seems more congested on the Vali than the Mad Dog. The more revealing capability of the Alpha Dog also more clearly reveals the weak points of the Vali.
* Strong points of the Vali:
– Very quick response which results in very good instrumental detail. This is what makes it revealing of source differences. This is the signature strong point which I think is leading some to call it as good as more expensive amps… but read on.
– Smooth treble (a characteristic of tubes) – bright without being harsh
– Good bass response for this price range (better than Magni with my headphones and my music)
* Weak points of the Vali:
– Microphonics (apparently seems to be better or worse depending on luck of the draw as reports vary wildly – note that Schiit has a warning about this on the product page)
– Shallow and somewhat narrow soundstage. Imaging seems good but seems somewhat hindered by the small soundstage.
– Mediocre instrumental color – the quality that makes instruments sound very different. I think this is what some call “one note” quality. It is unique to have instrumental detail be this good while instrumental timbre is not. It makes it seem like an outstanding black-and-white picture as compared to a color picture.
So I find the Bellari HA-540 hybrid with a 1960s German or British tube to have better sound quality than the Vali, due to the better timbre (and roughly equal detail). Neither works well with HiFiMen or Alpha Dogs, IMHO.
I find that the Vali works pretty well with the Mad Dog, because neither has much of a soundstage, so a weakness is nullified. I find that the Vali works pretty well with the MA900, because both have a lack of instrumental color, and again a weakness is nullified. In both cases, one is not losing so much by using the Vali, because the headphones are already lacking that quality (and those qualities cannot be restored by an amp).
It took me awhile to figure out why the Vali had some excellent qualities, and yet was often not as good as the more expensive amps.
I’d be interested to know if any other readers of this site have experienced amps or other equipment with that same lack of instrumental color ? My thought is that the ” amplitude envelope” of the waveforms is being reproduced very well, since the amp has very quick response, but that harmonic content is missing from each instrument.
matt
Hi,
i have been reading your reviews on portable amps and find them to be very helpful. I still cant decide what i need as i have been getting a different answer from emails with jds labs customer support. I need to know which is a better choice- the c5 or the e12, or if i need a dac- the c5d or the e18?
–Things you need to know to help:
I use sennheiser 598’s
I Play 320 kbps songs off of spotify on my iPhone 5
I prefer acoustic music like country, alternative, and rock; and electronic music sometimes as well.
Jds labs says there is no need for an external dac if i am only going to be playing songs through my iphone 5 and never through a computer, so they told me not to even consider spending the extra bucks to get their c5d. I respect their honesty as opposed to up selling but i don’t know if this is the only opinion on the matter. If i accept this to be true then it is between the e12 and c5, if you disagree then its between the e18 and c5d. my budget is 300 bucks so i can even try something else if you have a recommendation. i dont need the amp for more loudness, mostly for better detail on lower volume and bigger soundstage and bass.
any advice will be appreciated, thanks.
Mike
The 598s are not really headphones with strong bass, so I’d prefer to emphasise its strong points which is midrange and soundstage image. It’s a good headphone for acoustic and country and jazz.
The C5D I think improves on the DAC section of the iPhone so I’m surprised JDSLabs didn’t recommend that.
If you want to stick with the iPhone DAC, the amplifier I’d recommend for the 598 is the JDSLabs Cmoy. I think it pairs with the HD598 better than the C5 and C5D. The Cmoy will give you better detail and soundstage, and it comes with a bass boost too.
matt
Thanks for your feed back!
raffy
Mike I have a question and would like to know which headphone amp would you prefer if u owned Sennheiser HD800 and Audeze LCD3 / LCD X —> THE ALO Studio Six or The Ray Samuels Darkstar ? What are their strong points and weak points? TNX
Mike
HD800 still needs good recordings at the end of the day.
The LCD3 and X is less picky.
The Six with the LCD
The HD800 tbh shines with big tubes. 300B, 45.
raffy
What i mean with my question also is if i have both headphones and i can only buy one amp – whch one would work the best with boht the senn hd800 and the lcd-x
Mike
All rounder amp… ALO PanAm
BattousaiX26
Hi mike! I just want to ask if you have an experience with Beyerdynamic T1 paired with pan am? will the pan am make beyerdynamic t1 less fatiguing? Thanks in advance
Mike
Yes it’s a good pairing.
The best T1 set up I’ve heard, however, is the T1 with the A20 amp and Violectric V800. Ufffff….
thibault
Hi !
I’m planing to buy the bottlehead crack for my hd 650 but i’m not sure in the choice of the DAC.
which one between:
HRT music streamer 2 ( 80-90 % of the plus edition ? can i hear the difference with 650 ?)
HRT music streamer 2 plus
Micromega MyDAC
Cambridge DacMagic 100
Asus Xonar Essence One (top end of my budget)
another proposition ?
Thank you
Dave Ulrich
Well, I like the Dacport LX myself. I find it much preferable to the HRTs. I have the LX/Crack/HD650 and can attest to it being a wonderful setup.
Nick Tam
Can’t go wrong with the DacPort LX or HRT MS2+ I think…
Also more $$$ doesn’t mean the best, the Xonar E1 is better off as an all-in-one solution since you don’t need it’s motherlode of OPAMPs when you’re using the Crack
kejur
Just ordered a Fiio X3 and am trying to decide on headphones. I’ve been looking at Sennheiser, AKG, Hifiman, etc and am completely lost. Any suggestions?
dalethorn
My favorites for neutral but warm are the Beyer COP, B&O H6, and for more bass, the v-moda M100.
Mike
Tons of choice. Many great headphones these days. Narrow down the options? What do you need?
kejur
Just ordered the Sennheiser HD 598. Found a great price!
kejur
Fiio E11 or E12 with the X3?
L.
how about no extra amp? What headphones would you be using with it?
kejur
I’m wondering that too.
Nik
Hi Mike hi Lieven
Have you ever listened to the amp Vurzüge Vorzamp duo (or Pure I-II)?
I wanted to use it with the AK120 to drive my K701 (or HD650).
And maybe to use the ER-4S with more power.
What do you think?
L.
Valentin reviewed those for us, he’ll reply to you 😉
Nik
Thank you so much Lieven
I had read the review of Valentin and was one of the reasons for my interest in the amp Vorzuge. I hope he also knows the characteristics of the AK120 and answers me.
Mike
I’ve listened to the Duo and Pure I.
Clean sound with impactful bass. Mids mild recessed. Pure is cleaner than the Duo.
Charles Valantin
Hi everybody,
Headphones advise for the AK120 without amp please?
thanks
Mike
Anything semi-portable size should be easy enough to drive for the 120.
I’m talking ESW11, Momentum, Vmoda, Fidelio, Aedle, etc.. depends on what you like.
I don’t recommend big full size direct out of the 120.
Charles Valantin
Hi Mike,
Thanks for your reply, i understand now in which range i should go, i was a little bit confuse before.
Mike
You’re welcome.
Ken Stuart
Wow, it is hard to get people to understand Mike’s Rule #1 “There Is No Best Headphone”. They refuse to believe it. I suppose there are some things in their life where one works for everything, and so the “best” is what you want (especially for status seeking). For example, generally people have one TV in their living room that is used to watch any video – they don’t watch action movies on one TV and then shift to another one for TV comedies. So, some of them think I am out of my mind when I point out what Mike says…
dalethorn
I don’t think most people switch between headphones during a listening session that has tracks that sound better on headphone ‘A’ and other tracks that sound better on headphone ‘B’. I think most people do what I do – pick the best headphone they have, or the headphone they want for their current listening session, and then accomodate the various genres with just that headphone. It’s not a perfect system, but it’s better than switching headphones while listening.
George Lai
Unless one is a Cerberus, a three-headed Greek mythological creature. I totally agree, Dale, although sometimes it’s the other way around in that I choose a headphone I just feel like listening to and then decide what music goes best with it. Just occasionally.
Ken Stuart
The full article on this by Mike is at:
http://www.headfonia.com/a-guide-to-headphones/
dalethorn
I read it but it still comes out the same. When I’m away from the house for a few hours, I may sit still for a short session of Mozart and Bach string quartets, then feeling like I need something a bit stronger, play a few Rolling Stones songs, then Ziggy Stardust, then some Biggs/Bach tracks, play some House music, a few tracks by Notorious B.I.G., then some songs by Tiger Trap, Third Sex, and Sleater Kinney.
But when I’m in the house it’s really no different – I may start with a headphone that’s perfect for Dubstep, then when I switch to Blues or Jazz, I continue with the same headphone. I find that the one headphone can accomodate those different genres easier than if I switched headphones every time I changed genres.
The problem with picking a headphone that I feel is strongly biased toward any one genre is that it becomes a real irritation when I’m away from home and want to play the other genre. But I suppose I can understand that someone else may stick with one or two genres that match a headphone best, for their entire listening with that headphone.
L.
I do both. when I’m lazy I adapt my music selection, when I’m in my listening room, I switch headphones, and even amps
kejur
Okay, so I ordered a Fiio X3 and a pair of Sennheiser HD598 headphones. What’s the best way to get the highest quality music?
L.
Put flacs on your X3 and start listening 😉
kejur
So I should rip a cd to flac?
L.
or wav or …
L.
Or wav or …
Nick Tam
Use EAC to rip music straight to .wav from your CDs.
If you use foobar, you have the option to converting them to FLAC after that. Other than that I can’t think of any other way to convert it to FLAC without paying for software
Ken Stuart
I received today my “Christmas present for myself” (lol) – Schiit
Bifrost DAC with Uber Analog upgrade and 2nd Generation USB . Both
upgrades have been highly rated by customers and reviewers. The new USB
card is competitive with similarly priced outboard USB-to-SPDIF
converters, so it is an all-inclusive solution.
So far, the DAC has exceeded my expectations. I think it is surprisingly close to the TOTL products.
It
is exceptionally good at revealing the space that each instrument was
recorded in. So, if one instrument is recorded in a live room and
another in a dead room, you can hear that in the sound of the
instruments. Similarly, very good in portraying the soundstage. In
track 1 of BVSC, you can hear one vocalist in front and the other guy
further back and a little over, each in their own space.
Timbre
and PRaT are both excellent. The trumpet (Lee Morgan) on the HDtracks
24/192 Blue Train – “Locomotion” sounds very live and realistic.
This
is the third time that I would judge a DAC upgrade to be a better value
than any other component upgrade. First was the HRT MusicStreamer II
Rev 2, Second was the HRT MusicStreamer II Plus Rev 2, and now this
Bifrost Rev 2. Yes, I think there is some benefit for waiting for
upgraded versions. The Windows ASIO driver download from Schiit was
version 1.03 and works perfectly, all of the bugs have been worked out
over the 18 months.
Highly
recommended – and I haven’t gotten anywhere near the 200 hours burn-in
that the SteveHoffmanForum guys (and Schiit) universally agree is a
must…
RainHeaven
Hai, I’ve seen that you guys have listened to MrSpeaker Alpha Dog headphones. Do you think they would be a great choice to electronic music? I’ve read a lot of great things on those headphones but I would also like to hear some opinions for the genre :3
L.
Depends on how much bass you would actually want. They sound great and have an adjustable bass port, but that isn’t recommended to do and if I understood correctly cancels your warranty. For me it has enough bass but I’ve seen posts by other people who expected more bass… I’d say try it first if you can
RainHeaven
Thanks for the reply. I do like bass but its not my top priority either. I’m more of a mid-range guy for my type of music. I also have the JDS Labs C5D that I’ll use with it (though I should really upgrade lol). I’ll see how the bass boost will sound with them as soon as I get them. Honestly, I am not a fan of the bass boost since it just doesn’t sound right and bloated.
Dave Ulrich
I don’t think it voids the warranty, but if you need them to re-tune the bass, it costs money. I think it is that they don’t guarantee the paint around the tuning ports if you adjust it. Their website seems to be down so I can’t check.
George Lai
Merry Christmas, Mike, Lieven. Thanks for a great website.
L.
Thank you George, all the same to you. You’re too Early though, I’m just about to post our Xmas post 😉
Sebastian
Hi, guys!
I’ve been looking for advices for good solid state amplifiers to pair with Grados– specifically the RS1 and PS1000; Yes I know most of you will swear that Grados are made for tubes and I’ve no reason to believe otherwise, but right now I’m looking for the solid states primarily for ease-of-maintenance reasons.
V200 would be the most optimal perhaps? Any commendations?
Regards.
Deskolim Cheong
Merry Christmas Mike, Liven.
I have read many review and recomendation dacport lx from yours. I’m impress for this. I decide to buy one. But when i going close to see, i realize some confuse that :
1. The input only with usb(mini a/micro b?)??
I usually hear music from my ipod & cd player, how to connect it?
2. The output only with 3/4jack. Is that has 3/4jack to 1/4jack converter or 3/4jack to rca include inside?
3. Is daxport lx make the same sound quality when i use it to connect speaker as good like use headphone?
Sorry for newbie questions. Thanks a lot for your helping.
Dave Ulrich
The Dacport LX is a USB only dac, so You can’t use it with an Ipod or a CD player.
You can get it with a 1/4 inch to RCA cable, but again, I would look elsewhere since the LX doesn’t seem like it would do what you need.
Deskolim Cheong
Oh I see… So if I played cd(audiophile) on my pc through cd/dvd room and then connect a dac. Is that has same sound quality when I played it from cd player(marantz/arcam/other hifi cdp) through the same dac??
If the source with pc,we important to use a sound card or some softwares?
dalethorn
Does your CD player have a digital output, and what type (optical?) – some DACs have USB and optical inputs. One thing to remember is, the more components you have connected with cables, the more places the sound deteriorates.
Deskolim Cheong
My cdp has digital output both coaxial and optical. I usually use ipod and cdp to played it. According too many positive reviews on dacport lx, i dicide to get one but i realize that is only a usb dac. So i want to know if a dac(the same) i connect it to different source(i mean pc & cdp on this), it can be the same output result?
dalethorn
If I understand your question, you want to insert an additional component into the chain so the DAC will play the CD output, yes? If that’s the case, not a good idea. Adding anything (cables, transformers, additional components) will lose the additional benefit the DAC gets you. You need to go as direct as possible.
Deskolim Cheong
Sorry for my confusing question. But that’s not i mean. Usually i using cd player as my source, now i want change my pc to be my new source. Is that can be different result if the sound compenent i used for cd player, i use it on pc(all the same : dac, amp & headphone). Now i got what i mean? Only change cd player become pc/laptop..
dalethorn
That seems right. Rip any CD tracks to lossless tracks (bit perfect) on the computer, then run the DAC from the USB port on the computer, then run the headphone from the DAC. It’s important to have a good music player that will play the tracks with best results, and also very important to configure the computer sound system correctly (which can be very complicated).
Deskolim Cheong
Thank you Dalethorn…
Nick Tam
Is it just me or did Sennheiser officially drop their prices on the HD700 to $650?
Moon audio is really selling it at that…
http://www.moon-audio.com/sennheiser-hd-700.html
Urgh I want one now
George Lai
Where have you been, Nick? It’s been USD649 for at least a month though we don’t know if it’s only till the end of the year. Razor Dog Audio gives you another USD100 off.
Nick Tam
Too busy with life that is…
My audiophile side is pretty dead as of late, only thing to add to my collection is an iBasso DX50 and the Aurisonics ASG-1S r1.3
And since it’s a new year soon I want something new
George Lai
Hit the BUY button 😉
L.
Yes, been a while like that now
John123John
hopefully we’re getting to the point where near TOTLs are being priced at that range ($600 – $1000). The T90 is at $470… WHAT!
L.
I think there will always be $1K headphones, but it’s nice to seem some prices drop 🙂
Piotr Skoneczny
Guys, I have no idea where to ask so please delete this comment if the one in Beoplay H6 threat shall be answered.
Guys, I would be extremely grateful if you could advise me on the Amp/DAC choice. Just to give you a clear image of what I need: the music I mostly listen to is experimental electronic with a pretty large amount of bass tones (e.g. James Blake, How to Dress Well), alternative pop, rock, indie and folk (e.g. Florence and the Machine, Beirut, Jessie Ware, Radiohead) and pretty light trip-hop (e.g. Lamb, Portishead) with a nice amount of high tones and trebles. I will be listening mostly through Iphone5 and my desktop computer at work. Yeasterday I have finally decided to buy BO H6 (I will not lie – design was important as well, I will need it in the office, so sound isolation was important too as people around can’t be disrupted because of me – that’s basically why I finally didn’t choose to buy B&W P7). And now: First question: do you think it was a good choice? And second, more important thing: could you advise me on what Amp/DAC should I get? I’ve heared that C5 DAC/Amp works great, but can you somehow compare it to FiiO E07k or E17 with or without E09? What would be the best choice? I know that C5 probably is better but by how much? You know – difference in price between E07k and C5 Dac/amp is pretty big… As you know I need for sure some bass boost as H6 are not especially bass heavy. I would be EXTREMELY grateful for any comments. I think there are no better experts on the Internet in this matter:) Many thanks!
dalethorn
The H6 is good – I bought two, brown and green. But the midrange tonality is a bit skewed – I get used to it pretty easily, but if you’re on a tight budget and can’t buy again for a long time, I’d suggest something without the emphasis in the upper midrange. The amps you mentioned are good choices for what they cost, and the E07k is such a bargain that if you used it for awhile and then wanted a better amp, you wouldn’t lose anything since the E07k is a great low-cost portable.
BTW, the H6 bass is already above the neutral line, i.e. strong, so give it some time before you hit the boost button.
Piotr Skoneczny
Thanks a lot! I bought green one as well – I hope they will be nice. And do you think I need E09 with E07k for desktop use or E07k is fine without it? The other thing: how you could compare the sound character of H6 with E07k and E17? Is there any difference? The last question: do you think that it is really worth spending a lot more on JDS C5 Dac/amp? Sorry for so many questions, but I feel kinda lost right now. Thanks a lot for your help, really appreciated!:)
dalethorn
E07k is very good and will play cleanly and very loud. The E17 is a little more powerful for inefficient headphones, but doesn’t sound better than the E07k and the H6 doesn’t need the extra power unless your music tracks are very low volume. Now why spend $250 on the C5D for your $400 headphone? Many reasons: Your music has a lot of rich harmonic content that will reproduce with better tone quality and detail with the C5D compared to the E07k, your $400 headphone can resolve that detail, the C5D should control the bass better (need to verify the C5D is a good match for the H6 impedance), and the C5D overhead power should be much better than the E07k, so less clipping. Most of these devices do soft clipping these days so as not to scare their customers, but that can fool people into thinking they’re getting a full dynamic range when maybe they’re not. Note that none of these things I mention are absolute – there are many variables that go into the sound, but these are a few things to consider.
tand
Is the E7 the same as the E7K?
L.
Nope. you can read all about in our reviews 😉
Piotr Skoneczny
Thanks for help Dale! Lieven, Mike, could you please give me your opinion on the topic when you’ll be back from holidays? I would be really grateful. Now, I am deciding between X3, DX50, iphone5 + C5D or iphone5 + E07k + eventually E09 in the office and listening from my desktop computer.
Just to remind: I need something mobile (preferably any option with iPhone5 and ALAC format) and desktop at the same time, as I will use it mostly in the office, probably with Spotify Premium (I know, I will lose some of the quality but I don’t think I can transfer any good quality music files into my computer at work). Bass boost more than welcome as my music requires something more, but I don’t want to loose the good factors of H6. I think I read too much and I am now totally lost;)
L.
Iphone + Cypherlabs -dB + Portable amp would give you the best sound
Piotr Skoneczny
Ok, but is there any more portable option? I know that for some it’s not a problem to carry around iphone + cypherlabs + portable but I’m not sure if that’s for me. I can sacrifice a bit of sound quality. BTW, CD5 or ALO with iphone would de much worse than Iphone+cypherlabs+amp option? What will be the difference? I really appreciate your help guys, thanks. Or maybe X3 or E09+E07k? From what I can see we are even talking about similar price range now
Piotr Skoneczny
Ok, but is there any more portable option? I know that for some it’s not a problem to carry around iphone + cypherlabs + portable but I’m not sure if that’s for me. I can sacrifice a bit of sound quality. BTW, CD5 or ALO with iphone would de much worse than Iphone+cypherlabs+amp option? What will be the difference? Or maybe X3 or E09+E07k? From what I can see we are even talking about similar price range now.
I really appreciate your help guys, thanks.
dalethorn
If you’re listening in the office and working, *not* just sitting with eyes closed and concentrating totally on the music, the iPhone and E07k will provide enough detail for that – if you have better gear and more detail, you would miss most of it when working. I think if you save your money for a really good amp and use the E07k in the meantime, then you’ll get a better amp and not compromise so much.
dalethorn
The zero is probably important – mine is labeled ‘E07K’ and also ‘Andes’.
Nerian
Hi! So my headphone is malfunctioning and I want to replace it with something better. I am using a Siberia neckband from SteelSeries.
I have read the buyer guide, and some reviews you made and I just even more confused as to what I should get; so I hope you can help me make a good decision. I am prepared to spend as much as 400€ for a headset that is versatile enough for what I need.
I am looking for a headset that I will use for listening music from Spotify, watching films and occasional gaming. The device is a macbook pro retina. I listen to music using Spotify and here is a list of the kind of music I like http://open.spotify.com/user/nerian/playlist/1k01fjxQLMlnZobXxL954V. You have got classical with piano and cello, orchestral scores, lots of film scores, voice.
One thing I need is for it to be confortable. I would be wearing them for +6 hours a day. I will be using a macbook pro, so if I can skip the need for Amp or other devices, much better.
What do you suggest?
Would a Beoplay H6 be a good choice?
Thanks!
dalethorn
The B&O H6 would be a great choice for that music, and it has a strong enough deep bass for average gaming.
Nerian
Thanks for your input! I bought it and it sounds perfectly clear. Big improvement.
meh
Guys, i really need help making my final decision buying headphone next week, any reply/answers will be really grateful, money and price is not a matter this time(highest is around dt 770 price(150usd))
the choice are
*Superlux 668b(maybe not)
*Audio Technica ATH T500( a little more or less of ath m50)
*Beyerdynamic DT 770 Pro 80 omb
and personal preference
*very clear(clarity sound)
*good soundstage
* “normal” base
*good vocal(more on female)
Thank U
meh
or any other headphone that u recommend
dalethorn
Some of the headphones that come to my mind from your description are the Soundmagic HP100, Shure 940, v-moda M80, Beyer DT770 anniversary edition or new equivalent. The 940, DT770, and HP100 would be clearest. Many users find the 940 too bright or bass not strong enough. The 770 has great clarity, but is a little warmer or darker than the 940. The HP100 is (to me) an in-between that does everything fairly well. The M80 (also available as V80) isn’t exactly as hi-fi technically as the other 3, but is still an excellent on-ear that’s very neutral and competent.
meh
i think i will settle for 770, the hp100 in unavailabe in my country, the SHR 940 and m80 is not to my liking,
i want to know about dt 880 compare to dt 770, read alot of this comparison
is it a big gap between this two when i can get the 880 for 30-50$ usd more?
dalethorn
I think the DT880 is a better buy, yes. But even then I defer to one of the best reviewers of that headphone, Edd of noblehifi. Read his DT880 review, then see what’s posted here as well and then the guys here can fill in any blanks.
meh
done reading it, now what left for me it trying to drive down the
880 price of 220usd to around 150 usd
the 770 is price about 110-120 usd
*both are used unit
*30 usd is like another 60usd in my currency
getting the 880 will mean i need a DAC/AMP, which i dont have right now, time will tell~
thank u
meh
when i read,almost everywhere they all favor the 880 compare to the 770(not the LE version), but the difference in headphonia(the fewers) that favor the 770 LE(which i hope on the pad make that “HUGE” different than 770 pro) than the 880..
still cant decide, any word from L or Mike?
L.
Mike and L are on holiday actually 🙂
We’re recommending the DT770 AE or the new 32Ohm version. For most bass the 770PRO 80ohm. We’re not fans of the DT880, personally I really don’t like it at all. It’s horribly tuned.
George Lai
Don’t check your computer or smartphone when on holiday, guys. Happy New Year.
dalethorn
I’ve had the DT770-LE, which has a hollow-sounding midrange, just-OK bass, and a moderate treble peak that could be annoying. I had the Custom One Pro which had none of those problems, except it didn’t have the detail of the better Beyer headphones. The original DT1350s (I had two of those) were ultimately a failure because of the stiff earpads and lack of a bass seal, but I have the new T51p which I enjoy a lot. If I were buying another Beyer and had $500 or so to spend, I’d get a Tesla – the T70p or T90 and expertly EQ the treble peaks down to a reasonable level, and then enjoy a very detailed hi-fi sound.
Dave Ulrich
Yeah, I know it isn’t a popular opinion around here, but i didn’t love the DT770-LE.
z_e_r_o
Is there any way that you could review the HiFimeDIY “Sabre U2 Asynchronous USB DAC” http://hifimediy.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=123 I am looking for buying a simple sub-$200 USB DAC, and from what I read this seems like a very serious contender. It’s from a DIY vendor, but there is absolutely nothing DIY on this DAC, it’s just plug and play, although the case seems to be of very cheap plastic.
dalethorn
Just got the $150 USD Phiaton Fusion MS-430. Strong points are a great bass – better than the B&W P7 certainly, good treble extension, bass flat to 30 hz – the bass may overwrite the lower mids a very small amount, but certainly isn’t bloated or offensive. Tone sweeps don’t show any major peaks or dips. If I end up EQ’ing this to get a more perfect sound, it will be very minor and the result acceptable I think. In this price range I usually get a lot of treble recess and/or bass bloat or mids coloration, and the MS-430 isn’t bad anywhere.
Deskolim Cheong
Hello.. Anyone ever try Audio GD? How it’s feeling? I see the review is quite good with famous dac chip wolfson and ess sabre.
L.
Price quality wise they are pretty good. Communication isn’t always easy in English. I have an old NFB 3.1 DAC. It can’t compete with the better dacs we test here but it’s a good starter. their reference series are really good.
Deskolim Cheong
So what type can you recomended that still in market? But sounds likes that’s not good enough… How about cambridge dac plus magic? But it’s only 24bit/383khz.
L.
What’s your price range? Lots of people like the Dacport
Deskolim Cheong
Yes from many reviews i know dacport lx is very good. But i usually use an ipod & cdp(can’t connect dacport lx). You have others as good as dacport lx that has spdif.. Price is not a big problem, maybe arround $1000(prefer cheap but has high price quality..hahahaha..)But i have 1 confuse question, dacport lx is usb dac, that play from computer/laptop, if my computer is a normal(i mean hasn’t spesial ability in sounding), it can has good result? if we compete dacport lx through a mac?? It can be the same sound quality(source between normal computer & mac)
Patrick
Hi Mike,
I just read your review on the Sennheiser HD 700 and am just wondering what genres the HD 700s excel at and do not excel at/are suitable & are not suitable for.
I currently am using a pair of Sennheiser HD 555s (with foam mod) paired with a Fiio E09k & E17 combo so how much better (if that’s a suitable word) would the HD 700s be and/or how much of a difference should I expect overall compared to my modded 555s?
Also, would I need a new amp/DAC for the HD 700s?
Thanks a lot
Patrick.
tand
Help needed. Just started to enjoy my DT770 and all of a sudden the sound of the left earcup started to diminish and now it’s not working anymore.
What’s wrong with it? Will it be expensive to repair?
My headphone is out of warranty. 2,5 years old.
L.
1. Try another Source
2. Softly wiggle the cable near the plug and the headphone entrance to see where the error might be
3. Multimeter, check what’s wrong. By opening it up you might even find a loose wire in there somewhere
tand
Tried wiggle methode and somehow it reversed. Slowly i hear sound from the leftcup.Now it works again, Seems unbalanced though. The left side sounds quieter.
Called the beyerdynamics importer in Holland and got the weirdest explanation. Seems the 32ohm is not made for use with an amp. But must be used straight from a DAP. And I have damaged it because of this.
Also if I plug it into an active DAP or AMP it can shortcircuit and damage the headphone. Called it the law of Ohm.
Weird. This is first headset that I have this problem.
L.
You better send it in for repairs then, sounds like a cable problem. I call BS on the amp story though 😀
tand
So it could be fixed? The cable is broken or just connection that needs resoldering?
Will contact beyerdynamic in germany directly. See if repairs could be arranged.The cable was a custom.
dalethorn
Oopsie – custom cable? Beyer will charge you lots for that, if they fix it at all. Seems to me any country will have DIY guys who can fix those things.
tand
So problem is the cable not the headphone itself?
Its a three meter cable suffice to cut it shorter and install a new jack?
L.
If only it was that easy. You first have to know where exactly your cable is broken. Don’t you have a multimeter?
If it isn’t a stock cable Beyerdynamic will not repair it for you, you’ll have to find a local hobbyist
tand
I guess a friend should have it. What should be done?
tand
Beyerdynamic contacted me…can ship the headphones to them and theyw ill fix it. Nice.
L.
That’s great news! Ask them to revise it completely
tand
revise means?
L.
put everything back to factory specs
dalethorn
Only the repair person would know exactly what needs to be fixed. I was just pointing out that Beyerdynamic company and their repair facilities will probably not work on a headphone that has been modified, unless you agree for them to restore it to the original factory specifications for whatever the cost is required to do that.
tand
Can you recommend any repair store in teh netherlands?
L.
Contact Beyerdynamic and ask, but if I remember well there was an pro Beyer repair shop in the Netherlands
dalethorn
That’s for sure – they should qualify that one better.
tand
hmm now it stopped working again
L.
It’s a cable/contact problem. It’s only going to get worse
tand
Hi after some wiggling it reversed the process. I can hear the sound left cup again. Seems unbalanced though. Left cup quieter.
After a few minutes the sound disappeared again. Wiggling didnt help. But when i maximised my volume…it turned on again. Weird.
dalethorn
(duplicate)
tand
Headfonia Store question
A friend of mine is planning to buy a headphone in Jakarta. I advised him to head the headfonia store.
He likes the studio 2 from beats.4 mln rups in jkt. But also interested in the Momentums. Quite shocked at the price in your store.Certainly cvompared to teh USA prices.
What other similar style/sound headphones do you have available in store? Should be able to play from a normal dap or more likely an android phone.
I think the Vmoda M100 and m80.
The M50 not included because of lack of portability and good looks.
Anything else? Should be around 4 million.
L.
Please ask Shop questions in the shop and not here. Even if it is Mike’s shop, the blog and shop are not related. thank you.
STARSTERN
a big factor in getting optimum sound quality out of a dac is its source of power ,while many types available ,which the one considered best ?
~~MCRU linear power supply
~ pwx power supply
dalethorn
I don’t have any opinion on what’s best, but I read an interesting article on the Kingrex UD384 DAC and their UPower module about a year ago – worth looking at just for the information. My only experience powering a DAC from battery (potentially good for isolation from AC line) was with the HRT iStreamer, and the battery power (provided by a 6000 mAh Mophie Juice Pack) made for a cleaner sound.
STARSTERN
one more concerning the set up of dac ;if you allow me to c/p abstract from another forum ,which like to ask your opinion about their recommendation ;[otherwise you may just remove this post ] here we go
http://lampizator.eu/LAMPIZATOR/TRANSPORT/CD_transport_DIY.html
so why is the AES/EBU sounding better on many transport/dac combos ?
Answer is easy. Because the S/PDIF on all transports that I have seen, and I have analyzed about 40 different ones – is made wrongly and it uses an ugly separation transformer as well. So in that scenario – S/PDIF can not beat AES/EBU because they both have the biggest limiting factor – the transformer.
That is leading me to fourth conclusion:
4. The digital output and input transformer is unnecessary and can be disposed of without penalty or consequences. I tried it in every player including the CEC, Mephisto, Theta and all – and every time I had consistent result – increase of transparency, detail, scene depth, improved bass and removal of veil. None negative effects were observed so far.
That conclusion is explaining the AES/EBU phenomenon : in S/PDIF we can remove both transformers, but on AES/EBU we can not. So a modified S/PDIF beats AES/EBU. Plus – we dont need aes/ebu IN THE FIRST PLACE because it is just a normal SPDIF with doubled up mirror signal by transformer.
One may ask: Why is every manufacturer insisting on installation of series caps and also separation transformers in CD player transport and DAC and why is Mr. Fikus telling it is unnecessary?
That is a good question. When I ask others – what is the separation transformer for? they answer me: it is there to separate. Separate what? I ask – They say : to separate the grounds. Why ? Well, because the grounds must be separated.
Then I ask: what is the capacitor for ?
They answer: son, the capacitor is there to isolate. Isolate what? I ask…
Well, isolate noises or protect from spikes.
What noises? – answer is Digital noises.
So shortly speaking, nobody has a clue what to answer. NOBODY. They are in the fog of stereotypes and meaningless talk.
This is the likely scenario how it happened.
Some engineers met back in 1982 in Eindhoven in the meeting room (as the name suggests) and they decided that they want to move the DAC away from the transport and that they want to standardize the format. But they had no clue how to do it because they were audio analog engineers.
So the boss decided to call the guys from another department downstairs – from data transmission department. They found Mike, the guy who sends industrial controll and automation signals over the distance. Mike knew how he does it for the transmission across the factory grounds or the airport – he uses a transformer to separate the grounds from one building to another. The potential difference between earth in two buildings separated by few miles can reach huge levels. So a transformer is a natural choice. The caps takes care of DC component if any. So far so good. So mike decided he would recommend doing the same in CD players. The CD player engineer greeted that advice with applause , thanked Mike and the solution was wrtitten in stone and thats how it started.
Then the followers copied what Phiips / Sony did without questioning the solution. The transformer had to be there – full stop.
So I am telling you now – REMOVE THE TRANSFORMER. Mike was wrong. Remove the capacitor and let the square be square.
You would not believe but any digital PCB – from CD player, computer, playstation or another device has HUNDREDS of digital chips inside. They have tens of pins each, and every pin may have a square data signal, and these thousands of connections on that PCB are directly talking to each other. AND THEY DO WITHOUT transformers and caps. Why all of a sudden should 3 feet of S/PDIF connection need the same precaution as the long distance connector ? I don’t know.
Enough said.
Deskolim Cheong
Hi…
I searching to find a dac that can combine use for headphone and speaker(future). But the
first choice should be on the sound quality rather than “combine useful”. Now I have Fiio E12 and Sennheiser Hd650. For my budget $500(can be more up to $1000, if sound quality is too good to add the money),I find many awesome reviews for Dacport LX; Fostex HP-A3; also Yulong D100 MKII. Any suggestion for this or had better choices for me?
I got many reviews for having Dacport LX advantage(cheap & wise spending for very good sounding), but the main concern for me is I haven’t a mac or pc/laptop that spesial
ability in sounding(only have a normal pc). Is that good when i play cd
on my normal pc though this Dacport LX or other USB Dac?
Thank You
Sven Juda
Hi…
I own a pair of HiFiman RE-262 (which I consider a mispurchase to a certain extent).
Now the coating around the cable has come loose and the copper underneath is completely exposed. I have not yet found a way to repair them (& probably won’t find a way).
Therefore I am now looking for an IEM or a portable headphone to replace my RE-262 when it breaks.
Right now I am leaning toward closed portable headphones for more headspace & a more natural sound. I am looking for a treble emphasizing sound, with very good seperation, very airy/open sound & very strong Attack(!) (aggressive). But I am also open to IEMs.
I listen to a lot of J-Rock, Electronic Music, Minimalism & Acoustic/Folk.
Pricerange: ~200-300$ (reference)
Selamat Tahun Baru & Terima Kasih.
L.
You want open sound with a closed headphone. Seems logic.
Maybe Dale or Mike have an idea. for me the H6 comes to mind, P7 and any DT770
dalethorn
I was thinking maybe sacrifice some of the spaciousness and get the Amperior at the new bargain prices, or even the new HD-25 Aluminum. I think the H6 is just too polite for the strong attack etc.
Sven Juda
I already tried the amperior, but it wasn’t bright enough and the sense of seperation wasn’t really clear enough for me.
thanks…
dalethorn
Shure SRH940 seems logical for someone who likes Grado. Soundmagic HP100 might be a second best.
Sven Juda
I really haven’t yet thought of the 940s (to be honest not even the Shure lineup). But they really are very tempting. Still I am afraid they might be too bulky for my purposes (at the moment)….
Are there IEMs which have the aforementioned SoundSig when sacrificing airiness? For the sake of portability that is…
Thanks.
dalethorn
Good IEMs may sacrifice spaciousness (mostly a phase property), but not airiness (which comes from treble extension). I love the Senn IE800, but that’s pricy. My experience is extremely limited in IEMs, and you’ll do better searching headfonia. I did have the $1500 FAD FI-BA-SS, which has a very large broad peak in the lower treble, just like the B&O H3. But the IE800 has no such emphasis, which makes me wonder why those other 2 IEMs had such a massive emphasis in that area.
Sven Juda
I am well aware that IEMs tend to sacrifice headspace, which is why i always have preferred headphones to IEMs. My experience is therefore also quite limited.
Interesting IEMs are quite difficult to try out and probably are quite expensive (price&perform) (ex. SONY EX1000, ATH CK100pro, cIEMs…)
I am also under the impression that japanese brands tend to have a more aggressive sound sig than western brands, but are quite difficult to come by. I also have had bad experiences with chinese brands who are very renowned for their PricePerfo.
I haven’t tried the IE800 & therefore cannot comment on it, as I have only auditioned the IE8 (not impressed). The H3 are open design, so aren’t suitable for long-haul flights & public trans..
Thanks.
dalethorn
My feeling being a student of hifi is that a huge output peak around 3-6 khz isn’t aggressive, it’s a sound that would be tolerable only on a limited range of acoustic music with no amplification at all. The Beyer T51p has a very large narrow peak around 5 khz, but since it’s narrow it does little more than mask the adjacent freq’s and make the overall sound dull. But a large wide peak like the FI-BA-SS has makes nearly all modern music unlistenable. If that emphasis were moved down into the upper mids it would be even worse, but move it way up or way down and it’s less of an issue, and easier to fix.
Sven Juda
I think that it’s not necessarily about the peaks, but rather about the amount of bass to balance it out. My 325is is not really sibilant (imo), but it simply lacks the bass depth to cope with the treble. This is made worse by the in-your-face presentation. Again a lot of bad modern mainstream recordings emphasize this fact and become difficult to listen to for longer periods of time. But again a certain degree of treble-heat is necessary to achieve strong attack. It really depends on personal preference. Correct me if i’m wrong.
I will probably look whether I can try the L2s and the 940s at a local store if possible.
Other than that I don’t really see any other possibility than to wait until I can get my hands on some ck100pros at the moment.
Thanks.
dalethorn
The huge peak I mentioned occurred in 2 IEMs. The Grado 325 I bought in circa 1999 was a great sound for me, as well as the Senn HD565 I bought near the same time. Previously I had the Senn HD580, which was too distant sounding.
Sven Juda
Thanks for that. But the DT770 might be a bit too bulky for daily commuting.
Sorry about that open sound vs. closed headphone contradiction.
As I am part of the Grado-crowd, I have found it difficult to find something which suited my tastes. I have also looked into the MadDog hype but found contradictory info on it’s highs.
But for me the attack and separation would be the 2 most important points (apart from ‘openness’)
The CK100(pro) seem interesting but are outside of my pricerange (ATH are quite difficult to come by for me at the moment).
thanks for your help.
dalethorn
Just as an aside, you’d think with all the headphones in the world and many reviewers talking about personal preferences, that there would be a big effort for the manufacturers to serve those personal preferences. But when you get right down to finding a good match to your requirements, even a ‘near’ perfect match can seem out of reach. I shunned EQ totally until about 2 years ago, and for the next 18 months or so just used the simple settings in iTunes or the i-devices, etc. Many times those helped, but most of the time such EQ is crude, because the headphone colorations rarely match the simple EQ curves closely. So I finally found a better compromise and got a 7-band app, where each band can be set anywhere, not just to a fixed frequency. The plus and minus db settings are the real trick – go too far and the sound gets choppy, or change one setting and then one or two other settings sound off. I mention this here since some of the better headphones in the $200 to $400 range get a *lot* better with the app I have.
Gabriel Ross
Mike, Need some good reviews regarding the Shiit Vali.
Thanks.
L.
We’re not really following Schiit ourselves. Maybe Valentin could chime in on the Vali.
Dave Ulrich
Ken Stuart reviewed it somewhere on these boards and I agree with him completely (clean, good body, nice width but no depth). Pairs very well with the Mad Dog. With the HD650, the lack of depth killed it. Plus, for some reason, it had weak impact with the 650.
walter
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/gavn8r/geek-a-new-usb-awesomifier-for-headphones
can u test it ?
L.
We can but we won’t 😉 No plans, sorry
walter
can u plz test that one : http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/gavn8r/geek-a-new-usb-awesomifier-for-headphones
Budi Panjaitan
Hi Mike, this past few weeks i have tried to find the review of Oppo Find Clover in term of sound quality. But i cant find one. Based on its spec, it has Burr-brown DAC and
Dirac HD Sound. Is it possible to have some review from you for this Handphone? or perhaps from other expert in this forum?
many many thanks in advance..
Kujikato
Hi, I recently got the Logitech UE 4000 for Christmas, and I’m wondering what headphone amp would be good with it, any recommendations? I’ll be using it mainly on iOS devices and both Windows and OSX. A portable amp would be preferred.
Thanks!
dalethorn
FiiO E07k – excellent sound from the i-device LOD using a FiiO LOD cable (plus Lightning converter if applicable), and excellent sound from a computer using the E07k as a USB DAC and headphone amp. The physical quality is great and it’s small.
Kujikato
Thanks for the recommendation!
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00A9LHLQ6/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_S_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=15W9Q3GIJCXE9&coliid=I2MXKNC1D5YZQT (FiiO E07K Andes USB DAC and Portable Headphone Amp)
+
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B005DK08X6/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=15W9Q3GIJCXE9&coliid=I96SV66XQ5LXC (FiiO L10 LOD 30-pin)
seems to be my next investment then. Not on Lightning yet, too much of a hassle to change all my gear for it. Thanks again, much appreciated.
dalethorn
With any of these amps, Lightning doesn’t matter. If you have Lightning you need the extra Apple converter, and if you have 30-pin, you don’t need the adapter.
Kujikato
So I just go straight through the audio jack on my iOS device?
dalethorn
If “audio jack” is the headphone jack, then attaching an amp will have you amplifying two times with two volume controls in line. That’s not what I would do.
Kujikato
Wait what? I was initially going to go through the 30 pin to 3.5 mm jack on the Andes, then out to my headphones, is that what I should do or am I completely missing the point here? *newbish mode*
dalethorn
The 30-pin is the LOD. On newer iOS devices, the Lightning port is also the Line Out Dock. The significance of Line Out is to bypass high-level amps that feed the headphone jack.
Kujikato
Yeah, thought so. Thanks again!
Nik
Hi Mike, hi Lieven. hi Dale
I disturb you again for your valuable advice.
For my listening on the move I got the Astell&Kern AK120. I use it, according to my needs, with the Sennheiser PX100 II, Fidelio L2, Etymotyc ER-4PT.
I also added the portable amplifier Alo Audio The International.
I would now like to add, when I don’t have problems of space, a full size headphone.
I wanted to choose between the Sennheiser HD650 and the Beyerdynamic DT880 Premium (250 ohms). What do you think is better, especially for listening to jazz and symphonic classical music? Or do you have any other advice for a headset in the same category?
Of course I would like a headphones that allows me to listen to a higher quality than the L2 using the amplifier.
Thanks in advance for your help.
dalethorn
I think you just change the sound with either the 650 or 880, not improve it a lot. Better to invest in a better headphone is my advice. The music player and amp that you’re using exceed the qualities of the midrange headphones like the L2/650/880 etc. Maybe something like the new HiFiMan 560, or another comparable planar?
Nik
Was afraid of that! I was hoping for a possible upgrade without having to cry too! I also have an AKG K701 (which I don’t like too much) and I also wanted to try a different sonic signature.
How much should cost the new planar Hifiman?
dalethorn
A lot less than that AK-120 music player. I always spend the most money on the headphone, since that’s where the biggest improvement is.
Ken Stuart
I heard US$899 (but until it is released, nothing is for sure).
If you want a closed headphone, another possibility – good for jazz and classical – is the Alpha Dog by MrSpeakers (see Mike’s impressions in his Tokyo Fair report), which is US$599 (there is a six week waiting list for the Alpha Dog, so neither headphone is available right now).
Mike
Alpha Dog review is done, just waiting for photos. 🙂
George Lai
I bet it’s going to be your new favorite closed planars, Mike.
Mike
HD650 for sure. It’s the king of the old trio.
Prosterlamester
Hello good people of Headfonia.com,
If you guys could choose just one portable dac/amp combo, what would be it? Ideally, it would also be able to act as a standalone dac. So far I have narrowed my choices down to the Centrance Hifi-M8, ALO International, ALO Island and HeadAmp Pico. Any other recommendations/suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks so much guys for your help.
L.
Cypher Labs Theorem or Algorhythm + Portable amp
Patrick
Hi Mike,
I just read your review/impressions on the Sennheiser HD 700 and am
just wondering what genres the HD 700s excel at and do not excel at/are
suitable & are not suitable for.
I currently am using a pair of Sennheiser HD 555s (with foam mod)
paired with a Fiio E09k & E17 combo so how much better (if that’s a
suitable word) would the HD 700s be and/or how much of a difference
should I expect overall compared to my modded 555s?
Also, would I need a new amp/DAC for the HD 700s?
Thanks a lot
Patrick.
Mike
The sound is a HUGE difference from the 555s. HUGE.
It’s a better all rounder than the HD800 but still I’d probably think it’s best for Jazz, Acoustic, Classical, Instruments.
A new DAC and amp would be good, but the Fiio is quite decent for it.
Patrick
Thanks very much for the reply. Did you mean that the HD800 is better for Jazz, Acoustic, Classical, & Instruments? It’s made me interested in the 800s as those genres make up 90+% of what I listen to.
Is the Fiio setup also adequate for the HD800 (in the meantime at least)?
Regardless, I am looking to upgrade my amp/DAC in a couple of months anyway so would the Woo Audio WA7 Fireflies be a good pairing for the HD700 or HD800?
Lastly, are the Beyerdynamic T1s comparable to the HD700 or HD800 for the genres listed above?
Thanks again.
Mike
Patrick,
For those genres, the HD800 is technically more impressive, but tonally I like the sound of the HD700 better.
If you are going to go of the HD800, then the Fiio definitely needs an upgrade, and a huge upgrade. I can’t comment on the WA7 as I’ve never heard it. The T1 is comparable, again with its plus and minuses.
Here is the HD800 and T1 review comparison: http://www.headfonia.com/hd800-t1/
Patrick
Thanks again. I’m not sure about the HD 800 as I don’t know if my music has good enough recordings.
L.
Of course they’re not double as good, but they are better balanced, bigger sound stage, detail level. I think the 700 is a great match of the 650 musicality and the 800 detail. 650 will be very good as well for you
Patrick
Thanks 🙂
Patrick
Do you have any experience with the Woo Audio WA7?
Ken Stuart
FYI – There are rumors that the HD700 is being discontinued – the Christmas discounts on that one model were surprisingly large.
Patrick
Oh, that’s interesting. On another note, does anybody expect a replacement/successor to the HD 800 in the near future (maybe this year)?
L.
Buy online?
L.
True, but I don’t think they will discontinue it. I’m thinking of a renaming with a slightly different tuning
Hector Mactavish
Hi Mike,
I have read both of your reviews on Fostex HPA4 and dr dac 2 dx. I currently own the dr dac 2 te version and am wondering if the fostex hpa4 would be a decent upgrade. Or shall I skip the hpa4 and go straight for the hpa8? BTW, I’m currently using denon d600, senn hd650, senn ie80 and shure se535ltd as my primary inventory. Should I get another amp (any suggestions?) to pair with my dr dac 2 te or shall I get another dac/amp combo? Many thanks Mike and I have to say I appreciated the work you’ve done for us!
Hector
Mike
Hi Hector,
I think the HP-A4 is an upgrade, but that is based on references from my old reviews as I don’t have the unit here to A-B with.
The HP-A8 is definitely a bigger upgrade.
There are a lot of things to choose from. The HD650 + Bottlehead Crack combo is legendary but may not fit the IEMs very well.
Nik
Hi Dale
I read your review of Beyerdynamic T51P on your website.
His sound signature this is substantially the same as the DT1350?
What advice between the two?
Thanks
dalethorn
I only remember that the original DT-1350 and T50p were very different, with the 1350 being fairly neutral with good detail – IF you could get a good earseal with the stiff pads. My memory of the T50p is vague now, but as I remember it was regarded as very colored compared to the 1350. Now with the T51p and the new “refresh” 1350, the T51p is a little worse than merely colored with that really huge emphasis at 5 khz, and I don’t know what the new pads will do to the 1350 sound. Earpads, especially at Beyerdynamic corp., can make an enormous difference – witness the radical thing they did to the DT-48 sound (enough said on that). So I do intend to get the new DT-1350, but I’m half expecting some serious bumps and/or recesses in the response. I love my EQ’d T51p, but if I’m talking to someone who wants the smoothest sound possible without those peaks and dips, I can’t recommend traditional EQ because the 5 khz peak would need a good parametric EQ, and I don’t have the time for that. It makes an excellent portable though.
dalethorn
I just played a music sample from the “Boardwalk Hall Auditorium Organ” that has a real 64-foot pipe, which plays at 8 hz. That’s too low to hear the fundamental tone in the tonal sense, but it’s not too low to feel the weight of that note on a headphone with good bass extension.
So how did my headphones do? On a scale of 1 (weakest or most breakup) to 10 (best weight and lack of breakup distortion):
B&O H6 – 10.
B&W P7 – 7.
Thinksound ON1 – 5.
Shure 1540 – 5.
v-moda M80 – 4.
Beyer T51p – 3.
Harman Soho – 3.
If anyone doubts that 8 hz is a working fundamental on a headphone, just try the H6.
Ryan
I am looking for a compact desktop USB DAC, preamp & headphone amp combo device under $300. It will be connected to my desktop PC through USB and a pair of active monitor speakers which can accept a balanced or unbalanced signal. I’d also like to connect a portable device using an analog cable.
Functionality is most important and I’m having a difficult time confirming if different devices will work like I want them to. The following is ideal; 24-bit USB input, analog input (3.5mm or RCA), headphone output (3.5mm or 6.3mm), RCA preamp output, control which output is active or have the preamp output mute / disable when headphones are connected and be able to switch between inputs.
Some will either leave both outputs active and others have a line output so I cannot control the volume of the RCA outputs. My speakers are difficult to turn off and have independent volume control so I want them to be managed by the preamp.
Currently I have a Xian Sheng DAC-01a but all of it’s outputs stay active so I’m looking to get rid of it. I’ve researched a number of different devices (Fiio E07k+E09k, Aune X1 MK2, Audio-GD Compass 2, Asus Xonar Essence III, Creative X-Fi HD USB and the Nuforce Icon HDP) but none of them are ideal either because of price or quality or because all of their outputs stay active.
Can you recommend a device?
Mike
The Fostex HP-A3 makes a great preamp for active speakers.
STARSTERN
HI RYAN
you once were looking for any experience with yulong 1704 dac or d18
at the end ,did you came to find out more about it ?
as well about Yulong Sabre A18 amp ?
or just choose’d another dac which been already experienced by someone ‘
BattousaiX26
Hi I just want to ask if which headphone has larger soundstage and is easier to listen to(non-fatiguing): Beyer t1 or audio tech w5000?
Mike
Both headphones are not easy, depending on your music and amplifier set up one may be more fatiguing than the other.
Technicalities, the T1 is far more accurate and the soundstage though smaller is far more three dimensional. The W5000 is quite spacious but also unclear in the soundstage.
BattousaiX26
Hi Mike thanks for the reply. I mainly listen to Vocaloids, Jpop and Jrock and my current dac/amp is alo audio pan am. So which do you think will be better with the setup? 🙂
Mike
Get an audeze.
Mike
I dont think you can listen to jpop on the beyer or the senn.. Treble will be sharp
BattousaiX26
How about on w5000 Mike? I would love to get an audeze but unfortunately I can’t stand heavy/uncomfortable headphones
Mike
Same… They just don’t play well with Jpop.
Patrick
Does anyone expect a replacement/successor to the HD 800 in the near future (this year sometime maybe)?
L.
Hard to tell, I don’t really expect anything personally
votdfak
Hi Mike, Lieven,
I want to “hear” your opinion on this…
H6 or L2’s? H6’s are double the price and I can get JDS Labs C5D + L2’s.
What’s the warranty on L2’s?
If you crank up the volume, do they isolate in commute? Do they leak as much as HD 598’s?
Thanks in advance!
L.
I wouldn’t recommend the L2 for on the go, the closed H6 would be better. If you need a closed headphone the H6 will do just fine with the C5D.
I have no idea about the warranty, 1 year I suppose. doesn’t that depend on your region?
votdfak
Thanks L. Well, L2 1 year vs H6 3 years. I had HD25-1 II. Right now I am using UM reshelled Shure SE530, but I need one on the ear/over the ear headphone. Most of the time I am listening music on the go. Well, I’ll audition H6, we have BO store in Belgrade.
Anand
Hi Mike, Lieven
Firstly i would like to say i think your website is truely amazing, I’m not a headphone expert by far but have learnt a lot reading through your reviews.
I have a question i;m looking for a good pair of wireless headphones, the choice is growing these days so am a little lost. I’m leaning towards the M1BT but have been looking at Beats Wireless and Bose AE2w (you’re probably laughing now) but what would you recommend, Is the technology good enough these days for a decent sounding pair of cans. They would be for general use while commuting with my iPhone and iPad.
L.
Thank you Anand. So far the only 2 wireless systems I really liked were the Sennheiser RS220 for at home and the M1BT by Philips for on the go. I haven’t tried the others you refer to. Unfortunately the M1BT sound isn’t my thing, you can read our review on that headphone
Alton Britt
Great site; most informative! I’m older and am somewhat hard of hearing. Primary listening to general music-oldies and country. Have Ipod Touch-5g—home theater powered by Onkyo THX 609—-love ballgames , tv dramas, and blue-ray movies. Have ordered Fiio E11. Which should I also order:
Sennheiser HD558 or
Beyerdynamic Dt770 Pro-32, 80, or 250 ohms. Thanks for your help with my decision!!!
dalethorn
The DT-770-32 should sharpen up your sound a little. The HD558 will be too soft I think.
Alton Britt
Thank you so much for your response! What about the 80ohm rather than the 32?
dalethorn
I’m not sure if there’s a 32-ohm equivalent to the 80-ohm version. As far as I know the current 32-ohm version is the new regular production version of the 2012 88th anniversary edition DT770, and would not sound exactly the same as the higher ohm DT770 versions. But if you check the DT770 anniversary edition review here at Headfonia, and the large number of comments following that, I think you’ll see that it’s regarded to be as good as or better than the higher ohm versions. That wouldn’t necessarily make it better technically, but the 32-ohm version is immensely popular, and the one I had proved as good as everyone said. So I’d lean toward the 32-ohm version (as long as it’s the new version), for better sound plus greater efficiency.
L.
The 80 ohm is a pro version I think
L.
I agree with the 32 Ohm version. the 80ohm pro version has most bass however.
Kannon Wrisley
Hi! Been reading your reviews and since I am now getting an amp + DAC for my HE-500’s I think after having a harsh battle bewtween the LF 339 and the Violectric V200 that I am going to go with the LF 339. There seems to be an older and a newer version though and my question is have you had experience with both versions and if so which one would you recommend? I am excited though as I have heard great things about the pairing.
L.
I haven’t heard the new version. I checked with Yuking to buy one but he was charging me almost double from the old version. The new version has some better internals and uses a different input tube. Don’t know which one sounds best.
Mike
Yea I’m not too familiar with the 339. L is the one to answer that one.
dalethorn
Just got the Final Audio Design Pandora VI – hmmm – first impression very warm, lush – similar to my first impression of the Amperior, except this goes well beyond that.
Laurent F.
I’d love to see a NAD VISO HP 50 review, would be interested to know your opinions about this one.
Also: did any of you guys support one of the crowd funding projects of LH Labs (Geek Out or Geek Pulse)? Would be nice to see you reviewing these also 🙂
Keep up the good work!
dalethorn
What I got from reading other reviews, and also the design intent of the HP50 and its predecessors, is a ‘relaxed’ treble, i.e. a recessed treble. This is very common in headphones today, but I think headphones with a full (but not peaky) treble will win out in the end, especially with higher resolution music.
Mike
Thanks, Laurent.
No plans for those yet.
Gabriel Ross
Mike, On the HP-A4, how was the performance of the toslink ;or just use the usb?
dalethorn
Just got the Yamaha MT220 headphone – very impressive – depth and realism at a good price.
g.
What does Headfonia think of the Tascam TH-02? Specially compared to something like Sennheiser HD-202/201.
dalethorn
That TH-02 looks *very* familiar, like an OEM of something. Usually in the very low price levels the manufacturers schedule production whenever they have a line open that’s not being used for something that brings more money, and the materials are often substituted, so if you were to compare 2 TH-02’s critically, they would probably not sound very close to each other unless they came from the same production batch. There’s no guarantee of identical sound even with $300 headphones, it’s just a lot worse at $30.
Edit: Even with a brand like Beyerdynamic and the DTX300p, the 4 samples I had all sounded different, especially the bass levels.
g.
Yeah, apparently they’re the same as the TEAC CT-H02. So all I can do is ignore the reviews and try to test them? The issue is that the only store that sells them is quite far.
dalethorn
I think the Teac would fall into the same OEM category as the Tascam, since neither is a well-known maker of hi-fi headphones. So whether any reviews would be useful is just a guess. I buy a lot of things on Amazon, some fairly low cost, and what I get a lot of times is like those “surprise packages” where anything could be inside.
Eternum
Hi guys,
I started my portable journey from
Sansa Clip and Phonak Audeo. I switched from Clip to Fuze v2 (mostly
because of the form-factor) and used Rockbox on it also with Phonaks
till they worked. After Phonaks I tried Atria G5 and did not like them
at all. Westone UM3X became my next and so far last IEM, which I use
till now. I like them much more than both Phonaks and Atria. After Fuze I
switched to Cowon iAudio 10 and was relatively happy with Cowon sound. I
used all the time Hip-Hop EQ, which brings a lot of bass and mids
forward. Cowon recently died.
I am considering to step up to the entry level of Hi-End DAPs and the
question now is — which one to get. I figured that I care more for bass
and mids quality and quantity rather than high frequencies, but still
want to hear nice highs (is this what people call “dark sound”?). On the
other hand, I do not like “bloated” bass and I think that is why Atria
did not work for me. I like how UM3X reproduce bass, I read some people
call it “controlled”. I also like the fact that regardless of volume
level UM3X are never harsh or ears. As far as music goes, I listen to
variety of rock (hard, progressive, sympho-black, soft, gothic, art,
trip, etc, etc), electronic (Tangerine Dream, Klauz Schulze, etc),
ambient and a bit of classic. I read reviews mostly about Fiio X3,
IBasso DX50, but I am not sure if any of those two would work for me.
Does anyone, especially who has or had UM3X have any inputs regarding
DAP alone or perhaps DAP together with IEMs other that UM3X? Did I give
enough info?
Thanks!
Mario
Hi Guys. I’m looking to buy headphones primarily for travel but that also have nice aesthetics (and obviously sound great). I see that you really like the VMODA, but I personally like the design of the B&O H6 and the Aedle VK-1. My taste of music is all over the place with a preference towards ambient, electronica, etc. (think Kraftwerk). What say you? THANKS
dalethorn
The worst I can say about the H6 is a mild emphasis in the upper mids – otherwise it’s perfect – extremely comfortable, and has all the best features for portability. For travel/storage I use the Grado zippered carrycase.
Mario
Thanks @dalethorn:disqus for the quick reply and your insight.
dalethorn
Be sure to post what you finally get and how it sounds.
dalethorn
I got the Brainwavz HM5 – excellent. Got a Yamaha 200BL (open, on-ear) – treble recessed ~5 db avg. – fixable. Got a Focal Spirit Pro – $350 and same deal as the 200BL. Got a Brainwavz HM9 – treble recessed about 12 db – not fixable.
Tom
Hey Mike and guys!
Do you feel i could get better sound from my Beyer 990 Premium @ 250ohm from lets say Hifiman EF5
or Lehmann Rhinelander etc?
Now i am driving them from Harman Kardon AVR-255, it has dolby headphone stages which are nice for movies. There seems so be enough power now. Amp isn`t cheap so i guess the DAC is fine too.
I am not gold ear, so can normal person hear the difference from beyer 990 cans if driven from headphone amp? Or are these cans too cheap? I own Senns 598 and Beyer destroys them every way.
Greets,
Tom
L.
Hi Tom, I used to power my DT990 too with my integrated receiver, however when amping it with a dedicated headphone amp you get a completely different sound. To my tastes az much better sound because a lot of these receivers aren’t really adapted for headphones. That being said, there is a lot of good vintage gear around for headphones.
In conclusion, yes, it will sound different
Tom
I was thinking Schiit Magni and Modi. Off course there is that new
hybrid
amp Vali for 119$, which i would like you to test soon. Those Schiits
are cheap, but everybody likes the sound. And they look amazing!
There is some talk with DT990 you maybe getting too bright sound with Schiit package, but some say it isn`t the whole truth.
Would
that Schiit package be ok upgrade from Harman Kardon? Harman`s DAC is
Cirrus Logic CS42528. AVR wasn`t cheap, 700€ years ago. Amazing for my
hometheater.
L.
Tom,
not being a Schiit fan I haven’t listened to them. As a result I can’t give you my opinion on them. If you’re happy with how the DT sounds on your Integrated, stick to it and enjoy. I think it is better than a low fi budget setup
dalethorn
I’m finally getting to the Focal Spirit Pro. Initially I wasn’t interested in this because I heard that Paul Barton was designing these Focals to “sound like speakers”, which suggested to me a lack of fidelity. But some of the readers here may want to give this headphone a listen – it has a dark sound without being bassy – in fact the bass is tight, but not weak or rolled off. I’m getting to like it, but it’s a tight fit…
Steven
Hey Lieven,
I read your review on the Bakoon HPA-21 and you mentioned that they had good synergy with Planars (Audeze). You also had a chance to hear the ALO Studio Six. Is the Studio Six a notable upgrade over the HPA-21 (with only Audeze)? From the reviews/impressions, the HPA-21 seems to be more detailed while the Studio Six seems to be more dynamic with more bass. I’m leaning more towards the HPA-21, but wanted to see if you found the Studio Six to be a lot better than the HPA-21 first.
Thanks!
Steven
L.
Hi Steven.
– The S6 in contrast to the Bakoon is a superb sounding amplifier for many headphones, where the HPA21 was more of an Ortho oriented amplifier.
– The S6 is quite more expensive than the Bakoon but you get the possibility to roll tubes and change the sound the way you want it.
– I wouldn’t immediately call the bakoon the more detailed one, maybe by a little but the S6 almost has a perfect score
– The HPA21 has a unique sound I have never heard before and you won’t be able to recreate it with tube rolling.
As a result my advise and choice is easy. If money is no object you should go for the S6. It is more versatile, gives the pleasure of tube rolling and it is the better amp over all. The bakoon is a great ss amp for the Audez’e’s, but it does come in second place right after the S6. In my opinion of course
dalethorn
Today I finally ordered the Beyer DT-1350 ‘refresh’ version. This will be my third DT-1350, so hopefully the earpads will be the same as the T51p (T51p is nearly identical to DT-1350), and seal well to my ears with some measure of bass.
L.
Is that the DT1350CC?
dalethorn
Actually there are 2 cable versions of the refresh – the CC (coiled) and the straight one. I seem to remember when the 1350 was introduced they expected a lot of professional use, so the coiled cable.
L.
I never liked the stock 1350. But they let me listen to a secret 1350 in the works and it sounded gorgeous!
dalethorn
I can’t talk about that one. At least I’ll be able to report on the refresh. The real important change with the refresh is the earpads. The old pads worked to some extent, but not very well if you read enough reviews.
dalethorn
The Focal Spirit Pro has a really nice sound (with a bass boost around 40 hz). With the boost on it played the 16 hz organ pedal clip that I have cleanly. Some of my other headphones broke up on that track. The Beyerdynamic A200p (OEM of AK10) works well for sound, but it has a volume wheel that is linked to the volume of the source device, and none of my fingers can move that wheel unless I wet a finger first to establish some friction. The wheel is completely flat and flush with the amp’s surface – I don’t see any other way to turn it.
L.
Getting the AK200P soon myself!
dalethorn
I don’t know what to compare it to, since I don’t have another Apple DAC on hand here, and my computers with USB DACs never sound the same as the Apple DAC, probably because of the music players. But I’m hearing some amazing details with the 200p.
L.
No cypherlabs? You should really get one
dalethorn
I’m taking a hard look. I got rid of a $600 Apple DAC/amp that was ticking most of the time, and that shouldn’t happen unless using on a computer with buffer or driver problems. So the Beyer 200p was low-risk. The Theorem 720 looks like the best bet.
dalethorn
Comparing the A200p to a regular amp (no DAC) the A200p has obvious HF harmonic detail that the regular amps (i.e. FiiO E07k, PA2V2 or Zen Head from the i-device LOD) are short of. It isn’t subtle – quite obvious. But as a computer USB DAC compared to the HRT Microstreamer, the A200p sounds less alive – again not subtle. But in this case I don’t know how much is lack of resolution and how much might be something else. Still, it’s a good deal I think as an i-device (or possibly Android) DAC/amp.
George Lai
I’m glad to read your thoughts here, Dale, since I use it exclusively as a DAC/amp for my iPhone 5.
dalethorn
Thanks – I was surprised to hear the difference with the iPhone. I didn’t get that kind of improvement with the other DACs. The v-moda Verza was better than the HRT iStreamer, but this A200p is much better than the Verza.
George Lai
Hello Dale. I’ve solved your volume wheel issue. With my AK10, indeed I find that with the tip of any finger, and even with some force, I can’t get the wheel to turn immediately. The best seems to be to use the flat of the thumb or any finger, rest on the wheel, and after a split second delay, it turns with minimal force. Could iRiver have some black magic going on there? I don’t know.
dalethorn
George, you’ve just discovered the secret that Beyerdynamic has with their DT1350 earpads, and Apple has with most of the touchscreen actions on their i-devices. It either works for you or it doesn’t. It doesn’t for me, and part of the problem is I’m in a cold-weather place now and with the indoor heating, the air is very dry and so are my fingers.
George Lai
Time to move to the tropics, Dale
dalethorn
I don’t remember where I first heard about the Go-Dap GD3 that’s selling for $15 now (fifteen USD) on Amazon, but I got one. It works well with my 30-pin iPod Touch, and also my iPhone5 using the Lightning to 30-pin adapter cable. The sound is a typical decent headphone amp sound (no DAC though), and for awhile only $15 – fantastic deal.
Raskoln
Hi there,
I’ve got an iPod Classic, HRT iStreamer & Audinst Amp Hp & Senn 598s, & in looking into what RCA to 3.5mm cable to get to connect the HRT & Audinst I’ve unfortunately run into the bewildering & divisive maelstrom of opinions regarding the worth or not of cables in general. Any thoughts in that direction? Was thinking of getting Wireworld Luna 7s.
With such excellent reviews & efforts gone into here how the elements of amps, dacs, headphones interact, is it because it’s such a divisive area that Headfonia seems to have steered clear of the cable debate? I’m certainly not looking to provoke the kind of arguments that seem to be par for the course regarding cables, just looking for a bit of advice for someone a bit lost here, & not in a position to contrast & compare.
dalethorn
My suggestions are these two: One, make sure the cable is as short as possible, and two, see how much detail you can find about the actual construction of the cables, just to see if there is anything that looks dubious. Premium cables are that not just because of the materials used, but the care that goes into making all of the connections secure and reliable – able to bend and flex a reasonable amount a million times without breaking. As an aside, one problem I have with boutique cable makers is when they have 7 or 8 different series at gradually increasing price points, each of the series being “just a little better” than the lower priced items.
Edit: You can make the iStreamer sound better by running from a battery (i.e. a Mophie pack) than running from the AC adapter.
Raskoln
Thanks Dale, very helpful. If for the sake of argument cables by typically well regarded companies reflect their build, in terms of sound quality will a portable amp like the Audinst or say the Fiio E12 actually be good enough in itself to reveal the quality of say a cable of say 60 dollar upwards pricepoint? – realising of course a lot of simplification is going on here.
dalethorn
Audinst probably, but I think the E12 is a little too dark to reveal ultimate details.
dalethorn
On the FAD Pandora VI, I had assurances that the £699 price would not fluctuate much, but now I see Amazon UK taking preorders at £285, which for U.S. customers comes to about $441. This is going to be a shock for people who paid £699, since the Amazon deal looks like a large volume purchase they’re making. And they’ll be stocked by Amazon, presumably as an authorized dealer. There’s only one review on Amazon UK by (guess who), so maybe that helped them with their orders, but the people who paid £699 – I hope someone has an answer for them.
George Lai
That is an unacceptable price drop. By the way, when you remove the ear pads, what is the diameter of the driver housing?
dalethorn
97 mm – I put that and the photo on the reply at youtube.
George Lai
Thanks Dale. The reviews indicate that the ear pad is a bit on the small side. At 97 mm it should fit pads like the Beyers and maybe even the LCDs. Cheers.
nankoweap
I am new to the audiophile headphone world, and I have a question that is probably pretty basic — but that I haven’t found an answer to yet: on a cost basis do portable amps and desktop amps offer equivalent quality of sound? Or is there a price premium on portables due to the cost of miniaturization? For example, I see that the Burson Soloist and Cypherlabs Theorem 720 are priced similarly, and both get excellent reviews. Ignoring portability and attending solely to sound, will I get more for my money with the desktop unit? SImilarly the ALO National and the Schiit Asgard are in a similar price range and reviewed positively. Aside from individual preferences such as “dark” or “bright”, etc, for an amp, would sound quality generally be better on a desktop unit for the same price as a portable, or not?
I haven’t seen reviews that compare the sound of portables to desktop amps, and I do not yet have any experience with portable amps, so I am curious to learn more. Thanks for any help.
dalethorn
The problem comparing seems to be the source. For example, if my source is an iPhone, the quality is limited by the phone, ignoring any “jailbreaks”. Even if my source is a laptop and I’m using a mini-DAC like the Microstreamer or Dragonfly, those DACs aren’t as good as desktop DACs and amps, partly because of limited power. But get a laptop and a better USB DAC/amp costing up near $1000 and it should compete with most desktop systems, unless you’re into Blue Hawaii or something like that.
L.
Don’t fully agree with Dale here but he has a point. Dacs from CypherLabs in example can easily compete with hifi desktop dacs. But they are priced higher too compared to other dacs. In the end a full sized quality dac should still have a better performance as Dale said, but the smaller is gear is getting better every day. the CL and Centrance are sounding better than a lot of sub 500 desktop dacs for sure
dalethorn
Just wanted to clarify – CypherLabs DACs may be as good as computer DACs when fed with an equal source, but an iphone is not equal to a good hires computer source.
L.
well if you’re just using the ipod/iphone as storage unit there isn’t too much difference with a laptop. you do have a point with the power supply aspect.
dalethorn
My understanding is two things: The iPod/iPhone cannot store and play hires tracks. Also, the proprietary licensed code that CypherLabs has to use to play the tracks from the i-device is also compromised. I’m sure the answer to the first item is well known – not so sure about the second.
dalethorn
Just got the Beyer DT1350 ‘Refresh’ edition. The new earpads aren’t nearly as nice as the T51p earpads. The sound is awful, in a word. But, the Tesla drivers contain magic, so going to work on that now.
L.
Awful, really Dale?
dalethorn
I fixed the worst problems with the sound as shown here (the 2 dips I created to compensate for the 1350’s mids emphasis). But that awful hollow tonality persists. I complained a few times about a slightly hollow sound with the DT770LE, but the 1350 takes the grand prize.
http://dalethorn.com/Photos/Audioforge/Beyer_Dt1350.jpg
Colin
Hello.. I want to buy a new portable headphone. Could you give me some recomended for this? I already earn HD414, HD218, momentum & HD650(I very love this one). All are Sennheiser. Want to look for the other. How about Bose QC-3? Who ever try? I ever heard, my opinion qc3 more comfortable than momentum : treble slight ‘shrill’.
L.
What do you need it for? With what source? What are your requirements? What sound do you like?
Colin
Source is an ipod touch. Want to find another portable headphone(actually momentum is very good for me unless the treble slightly shrill/sharp). Use for travelling(job). Want to find familiar or better(maybe) sound signature than momentum of course with no shrill/sharp in the treble.
L.
does it have to be foldable?
Colin
No need foldable. Sound quality comes first.. I hear almost all genre from classic, old folk, country, modern pop, hip hop etc.. I have portable amp fiio e12. Thanks for any suggestions.
L.
Beyerdynamic COP, B&0 H6, L2, practically most of the headphones we reviewed the last few months
Colin
I will take a look on that review first. Thank you.
Colin
After reading many review in here, iam so confuse. Between Ultimate U9000, ATH ES10, L2, Bose QC3. Please help..
dalethorn
The UE9000 ostensibly sounds like the UE6000 with the addition of Bluetooth? The 6000 in passive mode is OK, but bland. In active mode it has a very big and somewhat boomy bass, and very strong treble. I don’t know the ES10, but from having several others including the ESW9a and ESW11, I think the ES10 would be good for the price, having a reasonably good sound but nothing special. I’ve almost bought it twice, but got tied up with other things. The L2 should be a great headphone but you should like a strong bass. The Bose QC3 – I have auditioned 4 of these and every one was muffled. If you don’t mind a very recessed treble compared to the bass, this could work for you.
Colin
“The Bose QC3 – I have auditioned 4 of these and every one was muffled. If you don’t mind a very recessed treble compared to the bass, this could work for you.”
Do you mean this for QC3 or for all of 4?
Active mode = ampling?
So, you have the others can recomended for me?
dalethorn
Just the QC3 – all four samples of the QC3. Active mode means Noise Canceling On.
dalethorn
If the Momentum treble is too much, the Philips M1 might be the solution.
dalethorn
I do know the QC3. The QC3 makes the Beats Solo sound good. It’s very thick and muffled. I’ve heard samples in Cleveland, Los Angeles, and Charleston SC.
breizh
Hello,
I have a Beyer T1 that i would like to pair with a tube amp
I have understood that the bottlehead crack would be a fine solution but i’m not skilled enough to build it by myself
Could you please recommend one nice tube amp that i could purchase in Europe (i live in France) ? my budget would be around 600/700 $/€
Thanks a lot !
L.
For that proce, i can recommend a WA3 or 339 by Lafigaro, or something custom built
breizh
ok thanks Lieven, i will look in this direction, although i think it’s quite difficult to find dealers in France for these brands
L.
That’s easy, there aren’t any. Buy a second hand Crack?
thethirty3rd
Hi, has anyone done any comparisons between both newer and older portable IEM amplifiers paired with a TG!334? Especially the Pico Slim vs. RSA Shadow, the two more ‘famous’ ones?
L.
I’m sorry I think we can’t help you with that yet
dalethorn
The site software will not allow me to see a normal screen view on my iphone like I can see on other sites. It makes headfonia basically useless from an iphone.
George Lai
Yeah it’d be better if it had both a mobile and a desktop view.
L.
but but but but. our layout rocks man!
dalethorn
The standard ‘desktop’ layout is good, but the “Iron Boot on Face” *forced* mobile view on iphone is useless. All good sites have a desktop view option.
L.
I don’t see what the problem is, I am trying it right now with an iphone 4 and a Samsung S4 and both show the same thing as the desktop version. Last 5 comments on the homepage and the full comments in an article. there’s a menu on the top left and everything is the same.
Are you sure you’re not doing it wrong?
dalethorn
My wife brought up headfonia on her iphone5s (I use iphone5) and she gets the same as me – no way to get the same view as ipad. Is there a special link, or a button?
dalethorn
Tried again on ipod touch ios6 – exact same limitation – no full page view.
L.
Same for you george, check your iphone settings please?
George Lai
I believe what Dale and I are alluding to is that on sites like head-fi.org to use an example, on both iPhone and iPad, you have the option of either browsing desktop style or mobile style, both choices available at the touch of a menu button and you can effortlessly switch between the two anytime. The choice is on the website itself, and not in iPhone or iPad settings. There are times when one wants to use the desktop style and sometimes the mobile style. Again to use head-fi.org as an illustration, the mobile style cuts out most if not all of the banner ads etc. Having said that, some websites automatically show only mobile style and that can be infuriating too. Giving the user the ability to switch between the two anytime by mere touching of a menu button is the best way in my view.
L.
Head-fi earns big money, we don’t. We don’t have it and probably can’t afford it either 🙂
George Lai
One day you will.
L.
The day the sun sets in the east maybe
L.
But the mobile version works great on iphone, doesn’t it?
dalethorn
No it does not. Only a full page view allows me to see a list of comments. Mobile view at most shows comments from the last few minutes, then the other features require a bunch of manipulation to get to. Useless!! If you want to understand the concept, look up ‘Dilbert’ and the character ‘Mordac, Preventer of Information Services’. I’ve been using mobile computers and music players since the 1970’s, and your iphone view (a forced view with no other option BTW, unlike most friendly sites) is essentially useless.
L.
Guess we’re a bad site then
dalethorn
Forcibly disallowing my web browser (which views full web pages elsewhere) from seeing the full page here, like I CAN see with the same browser on my mobile iPad Mini, what’s that about?
L.
Dale, there is 1 view for desktop, 1 for tablet and 1 for smartphone. In all 3 views you get the same number of comments. 5 on the home screen and all the article comments in a review page. I can’t see what your problem is. Besides my android Samsung has an option where you CAN load the full size site and not the mobile one. Check your iphone before you make accusation on a mobile version and UI/lay-out everyone likes
dalethorn
The problem is extremely simple. The iphone view is useless, everythings scrolls downto 5 or so comments at the bottom. On my ipad though, I see 22 comments on the sidebar. Those 22 comments allow me to see a much better range of time so I don’t miss as many. You need to allow a desktop view on the iphone.
dalethorn
If you or someone knows the iphone full-view secret, why not just say it? And words like ‘accusation’ and ‘everyone’ suggest to me you’re being uncooperative. I run a site and it has no mobile view, so I can tell people with confidence that it has no *forced* mobile view. Your site forces the iphone view, and the iphone browser can’t just override that. Your site has to provide the override just like all other sites do.
L.
It doesn’t “have to”, It “can”. I can see where the frustration comes from, I understand and I’ll check it out but I can’t promise anything. Yet your tone was hardly friendly for a non native English speaker.
dalethorn
Yeah – I know you’re a good guy, that’s why I stumble on my words so much trying to make sense. Thanks for your patience!!
L.
Dale, I have made you a Moderator. You should now receive ALL new comments in your email inbox you registered with (a Yahoo address). That way you won’t miss any comment. Hope that suites you, cause changing the mobile theme is no option at the moment. Let me know if it works and if you like this.
dalethorn
That’s great – I am honored, and will defer to you on any problems.
dalethorn
So instead of addressing the actual issue, you choose to attack instead, saying why am I here? Are you really that disrespectful? I have tried very hard here to answer questions and that is how you respond to me?
L.
Dale, Me attacking you? I love your participation on the board here, but you’re the one who disrespectfully started saying we are “useless” and that we basically suck.
dalethorn
It’s bad to be disrespectful, but it’s much worse to misrepresent what I said. You go back and read. I said (in so many words that you can understand clearly) that the site is useless for me to get into and read because I can’t get the desktop view. That should have been totally clear, with no misunderstanding. There are many sites with an option for desktop view, but I could not find yours anywhere if it exists.
L.
I’ll ask the developer to check it out
L.
From our Theme guys: This feature does not exist in the theme and it must be developed.
Unfortunately we do not have time for custom work. Please consider to
find a developer at microlancer.com
So Dale if you fund it I’m willing to let them look at it 😉
K.
Not sure if it is of any help, but I see two sets of comments, the 22 Dale is referring to on a white background, and the 5 comments Lieven is referring to on a black background at the bottom on an iPhone 5. Personally I could do without seeing the 22 comments, and I wished disqus would load faster. Best, K.
dalethorn
As long as you don’t look for questions from other people to answer, then of course those 22 comments don’t matter.
K.
Yes you are right. They are there to be seen, and I didn’t mean to suggest that they should be removed for all users. At the moment it makes for an infinite page to scroll. I find the site very functional, and I like its aesthetics both on the iPhone and a regular desktop. Good examples of sites with nice desktop and mobile views include the bbc and guardian websites. Best, K.
dalethorn
I find that when a new review is published, there often are a flurry of comments that fill up most of the 22 comments, and some important questions can scroll right off of the list. Unless there’s a way to get further down that list, some people may never have a chance to get an answer, or a second opinion, since they often give up. It isn’t practical to scan all of the reviews every day or every other day for questions, so that was my concern, since answering a few of those questions (I don’t know most of the subjects though) is a good way to keep involved and current, and maybe even help someone. I get digests of things I’ve looked at already, but no notifications on new things I haven’t seen.
Helmi
Hi, i have a few question about headphones.
I often listen to classical music like les miserables track, little mermaid etc.
My budget is only around 40$-50$.
I had an internet research and narrow my choices to 3
1. Senheisser 202 HD
2. Audio Technica ATH M-30
3. Koss Potrapro
I heard these headphones are quiet good for classical music.
Can you help me decide which should i buy?
L.
In this rice class you can’t expect too much but the 3 you chose are ok. For portable go for Koss or Senn, for desktop go for Senn or M30
dalethorn
The Koss would sound far better.
Dave Ulrich
Even with having heard more expensive gear, I can still greatly enjoy my HD202’s.
dalethorn
If you get a chance, run down the Amazon com reviews of these headphones, but be sure to click the button “newest first”. That may tell you something. One or two reviews on Amazon don’t matter, but when there are thousands, just a glance down the list from newest first tells a story.
nankoweap
I am wondering how several amps in the approximately $500 price range compare with each other. The Graham Slee Novo, RSA XP-7, and Apex Butte are close in price (a price that would work well for m), so it would be great if someone with experience with these three could offer some comments on how they compare. Also, how big of a sonic difference would there be if the additional investment were made for a bigger amp such as a Burson Soloist or Graham Slee Solo? I mostly listen to modern jazz and classical on Sennheiser HD 600s. Also, thanks for the replies to a previous post!
dalethorn
What is the source player? Computer and software?
nankoweap
Thanks for replying! The source is a MacBook Pro with possibly a Dacport LX, which (according to reviews) seems to be an appropriate DAC to use with an amp at this price level.
dalethorn
One more question – is the MBP mostly at a desk at home or work, or if it’s being taken around, do you want a separate DAC and amp?
nankoweap
I am looking for an amp to use at my office desk.
dalethorn
I haven’t heard the A20 yet but have heard the big brother briefly – it might be perfect or a tiny bit bright for your tastes, based on what you related. For me the HD600 would be OK on nearly any of these because it isn’t peaky and the detail is slightly soft. BTW, my MBP always sounds brighter than my Windows 7 PC playing Foobar or i-devices using compatible DACs. Are you using iTunes?
nankoweap
Yes, I am using iTunes. I will also mention that it would be nice to get an amp that is worthy of possible future headphone and DAC upgrades, if that makes any difference in considering the amps mentioned above.
dalethorn
Looks like the vote is in on the A20. By the way, the DAC will probably make the biggest difference to the treble – the detail etc., if you haven’t already selected one. Otherwise the headphone amp for the overall sound since it’s acting directly with the headphone’s impedance. The HD600 probably has a nearly constant impedance, but I haven’t looked. But if you were going to use a different music player software, be good to know that in advance.
nankoweap
Thanks for your comments on the A20. Of the other amps mentioned, would one of them be similar but with a more relaxed treble?
dalethorn
I can’t make a suggestion yet for a better matching amp, but I think it’s a better idea to check out other music players first so you’re not designing expensive hardware around something like iTunes. Unless you have a lot of time invested in building scripts or tags in iTunes that won’t work anywhere else. But if you’re sure that the amp is the key, I’ll look into how those amps react to the HD600.
nankoweap
When you talk about “music players” are you talking about something like PureMusic? I have an extensive CD collection, and I have not acquired any music in any type of HD format. When I load music on my computer I load it as AIFF. Given that my music is coming from AIFF files, will the music player make a difference in sound, or are software products like PureMusic designed as a way of playing HD recordings? Can you recommend an article where I could read about this?
By the way, I am aware that you have been taking a lot of time to answer my questions — many thanks!
dalethorn
Thanks for going into the details here. I wasn’t considering AIFF or other formats (other than FLAC or WAV etc.), so maybe that format complicates things – I don’t know. I just know that iTunes sounds different from Foobar2000, and also different (brightness etc.) from i-devices driving the small DACs and amps. There’s some really deep discussion of digital music out there by some very smart people like Cookie Marenco and Barry Diament, among others. But to get an authority on why music players sound different without going so deep into esoteric reading – I don’t know. I just recommend trying a different music player before deciding whether you need to search for a less-bright amp. Such an amp isn’t less bright because the freq. response falls off – they run 1 to 100000 hz flat as a pancake. It’s because of interaction with other devices and headphones, and you buy one and then it doesn’t work the same next month due to different factors. I’ve heard very small amps that are noticeably darker than others – FiiO E12 for instance. But the bigger stand-alone amps like the Beyer A20 amp don’t usually make that much difference unless the headphone puts an extremely complex load on the amp, or the amp doesn’t have enough power. So try different software first – that should make a difference of some kind.
dalethorn
Just another thought: If you suspect that a stand-alone headphone amp is too bright, consider the possibility that the DAC makes a bigger difference, then consider the interconnects – some of the high-tech intercomnects might brighten the sound. Usually if the interconnects are just “good” but not extremely expensive, and they are very short, they shouldn’t make a big difference. Working backward from the DAC to the computer, how are they connected, and consider electrical interference. Even the best asynchronous DACs can pick up interference. Now consider the computer settings for a Mac – the output device, the sound effects window (so those don’t go to the DAC), and the Audio Midi Setup, to set the maximum bitrate and data rate. Lastly try different player software and check carefully any settings they use. Not all software will pick up the Mac system settings the same way. Oh, and don’t forget to clean interconnects occasionally. If you haven’t disconnected the HD600 cable at the earpieces recently, pull those off carefully and wipe the tips with a dry cloth or whatever, see if there’s a way to blow air or use a tiny brush inside the earcup connectors to clean away any oxidation (but don’t use anything but a dry brush or cloth, and don’t use a can of spray air and don’t blow on it yourself). Every Sennheiser I’ve had from the 580/565/600/650 is the same way – they all get distortion eventually because of micro-oxidation in the cable connections. And it’s not because of the environment – it worked the same in Northern Ohio, Southern California (very dry), and South Carolina. I’ve saved several people from buying new cables just by pulling them and doing a little wiping.
nankoweap
Thanks for all of your suggestions. You have given me a lot to think about, but it seems like I should begin with the DAC and then move on to an amp choice. It would be nice if I could actually hear some more of this gear, but it is a long drive to Montana to visit TTVJ.
dalethorn
If you’re in Montana why not plan a trip to HeadRoom instead? They have a lot of small DAC/amp combinations that are way more affordable than most of what Todd sells.
L.
Dale is right, the DAC has a big impact on the sound. With the A20 I tend to use the excellent Theorem 720 as DAC and that is really good, with the Stoner Acoustics UD100 you are playing songs at a lower level
L.
A20 plus HD650 is sublime. HD600 trle might be a bit more forward
L.
How are you liking the email notifications for the comments, Dale?
dalethorn
Email notifications work great. There’s individual notifications and then the summaries, I guess daily. Working good.
L.
I don’t get summaries 😀
dalethorn
I should have said “Digest” – that’s what they’re called, since they may contain several comments and replies.
Vaibhav Pisal
do akg k550 and audinst hud mini have good synergy?
I used hud mini with audio technica ws 55 and found treble to be metallic and harsh. also it had some treble glare.
currently am using sennheiser hd518 with it and am enjoying its smooth sound, also it has no treble 🙂
am new to this audiophile thing and looking forward to experiment and try new brand like akg. also I wanted to have something with more detail.
also how to get analog smooth treble? is tube amps way to go?
are micro details good in entry level hybrids like schiit vali? will it be a good idea with akg k550?
what is best way to go if I enjoy smooth treble of tube amp, but details of solid state?
sorry for too many questions.
Vaibhav Pisal
also can you compare detail level of hifiman he400 and akg k550. is hifiman an upgrade over akg?
dalethorn
The HE400 is a planar with strong bass and dark sound. The K550 is kind-of the opposite, a lean dynamic. You might want to decide whether you like lean bass or a fatter bass, dynamic or planar.
Vaibhav Pisal
i am ok with both types of bass though lean is preferable. (lean is tight, fast decay, in background right?). what about mid range and vocals? which has more details?
Also I found treble of audio technica ws55 to be harsh with audinst hud mini (previous comment). Do you think akg will be more natural and smooth?
dalethorn
The K550 is a headphone that divides a lot of people – some really hate it and others like it, so it’s not just sound, it’s the fit too. Headfonia has the world’s most complete review here on the K550 along with a lot of great comments, so you can get all of those details right here. But don’t forget the Mad Dog planar – that to me is the most perfect headphone I’ve had (for a few days until I returned it). Your amps should work well with either choice, at least technically.
Vaibhav Pisal
cool. I have seen people have rather strong opinions about akg (both ways). in review it seems Mike is making up with akg for hating them all his life 😉 it sounds too positive.
it seems buying is only way I will find out about akg. i need to do some more research about mad dog. any amp recommendations for akg? like one with most delicate and smooth treble? rest I like what I am hearing about it. especially the bass.
dalethorn
For the amplifier (separate from the DAC) just have enough power. When it comes to the AKG review, give more attention to the followup comments than the review, since a lot happens after the review (hard to explain, but things just come together eventually). BTW, if I was to consider any possible bias for or against the K550, the reviews of the K812 would make the 550 opinions seem mild. It just seems to go that way, but people who love those AKGs know what they like.
Vaibhav Pisal
I did went through all the comments. its an entertaining read. But opinions seem to go in all direction. not much i can pick.
hmm, this makes me wanna try out their previous flagship, q701 to see whats the fuss about akg is about. though its bright (undesirable) but also airy (very desirable), more than k550 it seems.
dalethorn
I get some amazing music from unlikely sources – not all audiophile quality, but still very enriching. On the sidebar here was an ad for v-moda, probably the M100, so I clicked on that which took me to v-moda, and I see a one-minute product video. The sound was awesome, so I find out it’s “Fairmont – Poble Sec” and it’s on Soundcloud. And though I love the sound, I wouldn’t want a headphone with any excess treble to play it.
Sergio Mejia
Do they have to analyze future S700 JBL headphones?
It would be very interesting, because he is his latest release and Livestage option.
dalethorn
PC Mag says it sounds great in passive mode, but when used in active mode, or “What it was designed for, it sounds awful”. The design looks great and I’d love to see it, but that review was a stopper for me. I might see one anyway at the office supply store where they carry JBL, or maybe the Apple store.
Sergio Mejia
What are most recommended then, “AKG K550” or “Shure 1840”?
dalethorn
I’d recommend the Mad Dog for best all-around sound. If you need a stronger bass you might try one of the Philips – like the L2 or X1 etc. For a really strong bass, the v-moda M100. For portable play outdoors you’ll want some extra bass and more efficiency, so the Mad Dog is the worst choice there unless you use a separate amp and a bass boost. I think the K550 is risky unless you find it easy to return. The Shure 1840 has a very flat/neutral mids and treble, but the Mad Dog is better. The 1840 bass has a serious weakness – just play the opening to Jennifer Warnes’ track Rock You Gently, and compare to any other headphone – you’ll be very surprised. But for acoustic music, possibly jazz, the 1840 could be good. At least it’s open and the Mad Dog is closed. I really liked the 1840 design and fit, but the sound just isn’t $500, not even close.
L.
for closed Alpha Gog, Mad Dog and LCD-XC are the top3, TH900 makes the top 4. I wouldn’t go for the K550
Mariska Lupitha
I’ve had Senn HD202, should I replace with PX100-II or HD238? [the only ones sold in my region – and budget]. I love rock and orchestra, so I need bass with fair distinctive soundstage. I found HD202’s bass still not as tight & punchy as I wanted. And I don’t like muddy bass. Thx
L.
I would save up or go with iems
dalethorn
I can’t be sure that the HD238 is the best choice, but the PX100ii is really like a toy – we have 2 of those in the house, but we don’t use them anymore since we use the better headphones.
Mariska Lupitha
I need the headphones pretty urgently (my hd202’s broken) cause they keep me hyped up during workhours – so saving up for too long isn’t an option. And IEMs are too uncomfortable for small ears. Well I realize my budget won’t get me far with the choices, but at least bass-wise, are those two really weaker than the hd202? Or do you have other brands in the price range?
L.
Maybe Dale has some budget recommendations?
Mariska Lupitha
Does Grado SR60i fits my music preference (strong, tight, not spreading bass)? And how does it fare for orchestral music?
dalethorn
The SR60 is the right sound, but it is open back.
dalethorn
The 428 is the older version of the 429, and on Amazon the old version costs more! So get the best deal you can.
dalethorn
HD238 would be good – even better if you could get the newer HD239 that replaces the HD238. The Fostex TH5 and TH7 are good if you can get them. HD429 also good if you can get it.
oldandcurious
For moving-around pair, I have the HD-239 and I like it very much. I have not used my PX100 II for awhile now. Though I don’t listen to rock, the pair is quite good for orchestra and vocals.
Sergio Mejia
Hello, I appreciate all comments made … The truth is I am very confused, as he surely has happened to others. Initially it was decided by the JBL S700, but even though there are very good reviews, there are also negative review, including comments Dalethorn. Several have recommended headphones that I do not like physically (though not the most important) but I want my purchase I also like this way, besides the sound – most importantly -.
What recominendan me? I listen to Rock, I like the low budget and I have to usd500. Also, what would be the amp or dac + amp recommended? I have seen several, including Glacier and other more. Thank you very much for the help you can give me!
Sergio Mejia
What reviewers Audio-Technica ATH-M50x and AKG K550? They are two of the ones I’ve had in mind.
tand
Hi,
I wonder whats your experience with headphones?
It’s taking me quite a long time with a) identifying what sound signature I like.
b)Knowing which headphones fits my taste.
I mean if you love bass…Getting a super expensive headphone thats trebly would not satisfy you as buying a midprice bassy headphones.
dalethorn
I got into trouble once upon a time for saying this (elsewhere), but I suggest you don’t split that $500 between a headphone and amp, because then you will be stuck a long time with inferior components. Spend nearly all your money on the headphone and get the cheapest good amp (ex: FiiO E07k) that you can. Then later on get a better amp, so you have the best headphone from day no. 1. Now if you need advice on headphone, list every parameter: size, open/closed, on/around ear, music qualities and genre (not just genre), and anything else.
Sergio Mejia
Thanks Dale, but I meant for headphones only $ 500. For the amp or amp + dac, I have about 400USD.
Could you point me to give your opinion about what indicated earlier, about the headphones, the amp + dac and are suitable for rock music?
dalethorn
Since you’re interested in the more neutral type of sound you could get Mad Dog or Alpha Dog which would be far better than the K550.
L.
They are better but they are neutral in another way as well. Not like the M50 or K550 sound.
Vaibhav Pisal
do you think asus xonar essence one standard edition offers almost end game performance (with right hp like senn hd700)? i read its review and comments and seems to compare favorably with very high end stuff. I will probably buy just one versatile amp and keep changing hps. its not too expensive, is warm sounding, is solid state, (SS+ senns = perfect amount of lushness for me)
dalethorn
As long as you read the “nightmare” reviews and understand the problems they had installing the card.
L.
I wouldn’t go for that
Sergio Mejia
I decided to buy the Senn HD650, and I’ve seen some recommendations on page amp, but I have two questions:
1. What is the ideal amp for headphones (maximum $ 500)?
2. Should I buy a Dac + Amp? Is it more appropriate to buy a separate amp as B22 and buy a more economical ampdac in the price?
I appreciate your advice and comments.
PD: That amp recommend different B22? There is something new from this quality on the market?
L.
I replied to this, please don’t post double questions. It will not get you a faster reply
Sergio Mejia
Please Help!!!
L.
Blue pills = chill 😉
dalethorn
Maybe what would help you is if you listed amps that are reviewed here, and then questions about those amps that are very specific, such as “would amp xyz drive headphone abc better than amp xxx”?
When the question is too general, many important facts are missing.
tand
Hi Guys,
Decided ti sell my UE6000. And a friend wants to buy the Beyerdynamics Manufaktur. Just got it back…fully repaired. New drivers, Earcushions and new cable. Awesome service from Beyerdynamics.
Now considering thr following. I know headfonia has highly rated the COPS. And at 148€ on amazon spain. Quite desirable.
But last month i listened to the NAD Viso HP50…it simply blew me away. € 260.
Quite a bit more expensive.
Which would be best for me?
L.
I haven’t listened to the NAD yet, have you Dale?
dalethorn
I took a look and decided not yet. I’ve seen several new headphones around $300 USD or so that seem to be aiming at that Sennheiser Momentum market, but don’t seem to offer anything really new. The KEF 500 was one of those, and I think PSB and Focal were aiming there too. So unless there’s a review I can’t refuse, I’ll sit on the fence for these items. BTW, the ‘tubes’ or whatever they are that connect the earcups to the headband – they look kind-of like the metal tubes that were used on the Martin-Logan Mikros 90, but I assume these HP50 headband parts are far better quality (don’t know).
tand
Hi Guys,
I compared this head to head in the store with a P7, the UE 6000(my own) , Philips L1(mine) and the NAD.
First of all the L1 I didnt like. I dont like treble…but the L1 was so dark…really missed the sparkle. Seemed it had no highs at all. MAking it feel almost monotonous if you listen to it to long. Aka boring.
I actually wanted to try the p7 because it was so highly rated. And never seen it in the wild till the store.
I used my iphone and godap3 combo.
P7 was nice. But here it cost 399€. So to my ears.it was ok. Was not 300€ better than my UE6000.
The bass was not special.
Than I tried the NAD. It simply blew me away.
What i remember vividly till now. The tight deep and strong bass. It was fast and clean.
But the rest of the sound was clean and not dark or wooly from the bass.but stayed light with plenty sparkle without getting sibilant.
In other words to my ears it sounded balanced with a really nice bass. Not Vsound. Like when I turn the UE6000 on. IMO it was like the the Qjays with better bass. Or teh UE6000 with much better bass when NC is off.
I was so itchy to buy it.Hard tp resist..and frankly at 299€.
I was hoping to buy it cheaper if i wait.
I already have an Q40 incoming(have you guys tried this?)
And on paper sound seems similar to NAD.
dalethorn
Check this excellent review, especially page 2 where he notes: “This headphone is dry as a bone and dead neutral. I mean…shockingly flat….” — now I thought flat means hi-fi flat and truly neutral with all of the sparkle that’s in a recording, but reading past the ‘neutral’ and ‘flat’ descriptors he notes that it really lacks sparkle: “It is far from sparkled, shimmering and glistening in the sun….” — and I take that to mean the treble isn’t really flat, it’s rolled off. I had the HD800 for 3 years and prefer a treble that’s maybe 3-4 db less bright, but I have a feeling that the HP50 is down a few more than 3-4 db from flat.
http://headfonics.com/2013/12/nad-viso-hp50/
tand
Thanks. What an interesting read. I got confused when he mentioned sibilance with the headphone. How can that be if treble is rolled off?
dalethorn
I’ve read much stranger things than that. However, if there’s a strong peak right where sibilants occur in some music, then the rest of the treble could be down a lot. Unfortunately a lot of headphones have resonances that aren’t fully damped, and when such a resonance coincides with sibilant frequencies, ouch!! Resonant peaks often (or usually) have a large amplitude and narrow bandwidth, so if the mfr. doesn’t suppress them, it’s really difficult after the fact. And it’s why so many headphones these days roll the treble off – because it’s cheaper, and you don’t have to bulk up the headphone with resonance-suppressing materials.
tand
omg….making a plunge again for teh NAD hp50.
Seems so highly rated…innerfidlity and also headfonics.
Why am i like that…always my eye on the cops. And than…falling voor the NAD. Hop i will like it.
dalethorn
I hope so too along with other people, so waiting for your report.
dalethorn
Could you describe the features of the sound that you experienced with the HP50? Compared to whatever is closest to that sound in your experience with another headphone?
meh
Hi again, still without a can..
just some quick answer, i have read tons of reviews about it,
is it justify enough for me to pay double the price of dt770 for a dt880, at the same time that if paying little more than the dt880 can get me the He400?
*only these 3 choice..
L.
I wouldn’t get the DT880. Is the 400 better than the DT770, Yes. Is the DT770 good enough, oh yes it’s lovely.
meh
i want to know is it because my in sufficient onboard audio and poor audio files that make 90% of my song
*the right side seems to have more vocal
*the left side seems to have more instrumental sound??
and headphone actually work this way?
dalethorn
Did you try listening for awhile with the opposite earcups on, to see if it sounds the same? If so, is there a way to reverse your channels to try that?
meh
for some reason the time for me to reply u comment does take days,
i heard some flac files and the sound was equal on both side, it happen to be unbalance on low quality file,
running this on onboard audio, the bass,mids were really performs way below par..
dalethorn
If that were my choice it would be the HE400. If it turned out that the 880 were closer to your preferred signature than the 400 (IF, but not necessarily the case), then the choice would be between getting the more perfect signature versus getting the wonderful planar sound. For me I would eventually want both a planar and a good dynamic, because living with both for a longer time is the only way to know what each type does for the music.
meh
seems like i cant seal the deal for the planar rather far from my budget, i guess i just take the 880, still way cheaper than retail, 1/3 of the price
the the dt770 are half of the dt880
hope in the future i get to use planar headphone, thanks anywhere~
L.
I would go for the dt770. Not the 880
ohm image
Whoa… I’m a fan of both. Plus the two have to completely different uses. Meh, if you want an open phone, the DT880 is great. If you don’t, the DT880 will suck. Both are great phones, but the DT880 has a bit of warble in the upper regions that can turn you into L.
L.
T90 bests it all the way 😉
meh
how t1, some word say it like Dt880 on steroid..
i just scared a little on going for the higher up since my audio source usually not the best quality, that those headphone would just crash my song..
meh
already got it, i like my treble cannon xDD
now waiting for the e10~
nankoweap
I am wondering if anyone participating here has experience with both the RSA HR-2 and the Burson amps? I would like to know how the RSA HR-2 sound compares with the Burson Soloist or Soloist SL since it sits between them in price. I suspect this might be a question for Mike, since his reviews often mention the Ray Samuels amps as well as the Burson amps. Thanks!
Carl A
I’m hoping somebody can advise me here, with what I am expecting to be an intractable problem.
I’m about to take delivery of a pair of JBL Synchros S700’s. However, from a lot of what I’ve read, the two supplied cables are of pretty poor quality to say the least, and the connector that goes into the left side of the headphones is 2.5mm, not 3.5, which has been widely criticised.
Plus they’re both short.
My question is – does anyone think that one of those specialist cable manufacturers out there might be able to offer a quality replacement that could fit the 2.5mm entry socket, or, if not, is it just practically not possible to get one made or modded?
I have a feeling this is gonna be a no-go but I wanted to ask as for various reasons i wanted these ‘phones.
Or do all of you just think it is very simple, and that I shouldn’t even get these ‘phones! As if it isn’t possible to source quality alternative cables then I can’t really take the risk, as a few folks I’ve spoken to have loved the ‘phones but said the cables are really, really bad.
Help!
George Lai
Do a search of Forzaaudioworks of Poland. Matthew will answer your email.
Carl A
Many thanks for that information. They’re either for me or for my father; if me then I will look into getting two replacement cables made, one longer, both more substantial. Father would be fine with them as he never leaves his chair mostly anyway.
dalethorn
Proprietary connectors are the highest risk, and 3.5 mm connectors seem like low risk if there isn’t some weird locking mechanism or entry jack that’s near impossible to get into. But cables with a generic 2.5 mm plug on the earcup end seem safe since I’ve had some that way. Always good to ask though. You must be convinced that the JBL S700 is the right headphone otherwise, yes?
Carl A
Thanks Dale. When you say that a generic 2.5mm seem safe as you’ve had them, what exactly do you mean by that? Have you sought out alternative/better cables when you had 2.5 earcup connections?
dalethorn
I didn’t realize you already had the S700. I’m glad you like it, since I was interested too. Maybe you can report more about it later on. On the cables, I don’t go looking for any since I have a lot of cables in various boxes, and when I get a new headphone, if it accepts a generic cable then I report that so people know what to expect. I have changed cables on a few headphones just to get a better length, or something that doesn’t kink up and get in the way.
Sergio Mejia
I would like you to tell me how it goes with JBLS700? I was very interested but thereviews are not very good in some important critics. So I think I go for the HD650.
Carl A
I’ll try to be brief! On very, very brief first impressions, I seriously like them.
They look and feel utterly fantastic. Almost all metal yet don’t feel heavy, either to hold, or on my head at least. The clamping force feels a tad too strong when I first put them on, but then didn’t bother me over the two hours i wore them.
The only source I am using (which I know, I must upgrade to better, but to what I have no idea – iPod touch + what?) was an iPod Nano 5g loaded with lossless files. And from that it mostly sounded absolutely wonderful, and had a feeling of sounding ‘different’ according to the music being played. Long compilation, some fast, some slow, Banshee’s, Dead Can Dance, electronica, all sorts, and on the powerful, dynamic tracks it absolutely played them to death and was exciting and full-bodied yet clear and in control with a lovely tight and strong bass that didn’t get in the way of even the tiniest details. On the quiet tracks it seemed perfectly still, graceful, measured and ‘in tune’ with the feel of the music.
Now, at the moment I have the Denon AHD-D600 and have been using it for almost a year I think. I like it but have become less enamoured with it over time. It just lacks any excitement factor whatsoever and sometimes seems to be just too well-behaved and I simply quickly become less interested in the music and stop listening. It’s nice, but I only use them now when going to bed and listening to some quieter material. It’s just lacking but then again, look at my source – iPod Nano! But that’s what I’ve just used with these s700’s and they were so cool to listen to.
I haven’t tried the active ‘enhancement’ feature yet. I will, but am not in any particular rush to, especially from what I’ve read in a few reviews. Incidentally, the review in the latest issue of Hi-Fi Choice seems very accurate and fair. It points out a few areas where they fall short a little, but counter balances those points with what these bring to the table that others (Fidelio X1, HD650) don’t.
So, yeah, on hardly any playing time or serious assessment, I think they’re pretty damn good.
A few cons – Firstly, the cables. They may be fine, I don’t know. I just personally don’t like thin, flimsy-feeling cables. They are also both quite short, around 50 inches. Long enough for portable use but I think two high quality cables of differing lengths would be good and would have suited the level of care and attention that has obviously ben lavished on everything else in the headphones.
Secondly, the sliders that extend as you open the ‘phones to cover your head go up to 12. Eleven wasn’t quite enough to fit over my ears. 12 just did it. I don’t know whether my head is unusually large, but I doubt it! Thus I reckong there is a reasonable chance that when fully extended these might still not fit on some folks head. Make sure they can be returned, just in case.
Carrying case is nice, but not hard, so won’t overly protect them if they find themselves being flung around in backpacks or other places.
But I have to upgrade my portable source rig, as these are no way being done justice just being played from a nano!
Lastly, I personally am becoming increasing frustrated with what I perceive as massivly over-priced headphones left, right and everywhere that are no way worth hundreds of pounds and that are nearly always predominantly plastic.
These ‘phones look and feel absolutely wonderful and worth every penny. And the jump in sound quality over my very limited experience (Denon D600, Sony MdR-1R, AKG 240 mkII, Sennheiser HD555 etc) is just remarkable.
Thanks for reading. Now just to decide if I can give them to my dad and go back to my portables – the AKG K450! Argghh!
Damn: Sorry, that wasn’t brief at all!
Vaibhav Pisal
hello, I am back.
I was researching if better quality usb power can make sound better. will something like ifi iusb make sound quality of audinst hud mini / fostex hp a4 better?
I thought it costs more than hud mini itself and probably dedicated amp will be better, but whichever dac i use it will be usb powered. So i have 2 questions:
1. Will iusb improve sound of fostex hp a4?
2. Will it improve sound quality if I use dedicated amp but usb powered dac?
thanks in advance.
L.
You better listen to it first yourself and yes on question 2
Vaibhav Pisal
thanks.
yudhistira angga
hei headfonia,
is it really worth to upgrade from hm-603 to AK 100?
L.
listen to it yourself is my advise
David Lee
Hi, I’m late to the party but i’ve recently purchased Sennheiser hd600 and I wanted to know what the best Portable Amplifier is that’s below $250. I’ve read all the reviews and narrowed it down to Fiio E12, Fiio E17, JDSLabs C5D (or anything else that’s better). I usually listen to soft rock, rap/hiphop, classical music. I want to be able to bring out the most out of my headphone (along with smooth/powerful bass). Thank you vey much for ANY helpful information!
Dave Ulrich
Welcome! What is your source?
David Lee
I’m trying to listen to music from my ipod nano 6th gen, MacBook Pro retina display, ipod touch 3rd gen, and desktop
L.
why not the CD5 so you can sue the dac part as well. Their amps match great with Sennheiser
David Lee
Do you mean JDSLabs C5D? Doesn’t Fiio E17 also have DAC? Is that what you would recommend as for my situation?
L.
David I would recommend this over the E17 indeed. Sorry, yes, I did mean the C5D
David Lee
thank you for the quick response~ If it’s not too much trouble, can you explain little bit on why you would prefer C5D over Fiio E12/E17?
dalethorn
The E12 doesn’t have a DAC, so that’s a point for the C5D. I have the E17 but not the C5D so I’d also like to know the preference for the C5D, thanks.
L.
C5D has a DAC and bass boost as well and is compatible with your iphone (cck) and Android, smaller shape and a great adjustable sound that matches well with the Senn.
Carl A
Hi, I posted a question earlier seeking advice from any US-based folks about how to possibly get hold of some ‘phones from over there. But it hasn’t appeared. When I submitted it, it said awaiting moderation. Does that mean that my questions contravene some rule? Or did it just get lost in the mix or something?
Just wondrin’, no hassle!
dalethorn
The servers here are being reconfigured, so maybe that’s it. This question got through, so can you add details?
Carl A
Yes, I will thanks. I actually mentioned you Dale!
Basically, my JBL s700’s have gone back (various reasons, but main one is that they are not at all portable) and after trying a friendly chaps pair of Monster Diesel Vektr’s out in a very noisy environment, I’d like to get those as my portable pair.
Here’s the problem: I’m a bit particular about aesthetics and the Vektr comes in three colours: White, not nice! Black, which I tried and they are horrendous fingerprint magnets, and the version I want, in Military Green.
In the UK the cheapest I can find them is £194 at Amazon!! Seriously?!
At Amazon US they (the military green pair) retail at $99! Unbelievable.
Especially as they WILL ship the black to the uk, and even with postage AND import duties included, they only come to £85!
BUT, for some reason they cannot ship the military green pair outside of US.
I don’t know why, I asked and they said they didn’t know why, they just couldn’t.
SO, it’s the green Vektr’s I want, and I’ve tried googling for hours to no avail. Nowhere in Europe (at least that I could find) has them available for less than roughly the same as Amazon, and I’ve tried looking at several US suppliers and only found two, both selling at $99 and not shipping outside US!
I’m confused as to why, and frustrated at the frankly huge price difference.
Bought, shipped and import duties (IF they shipped the green, are less than half the UK price, which basically means they’re not an option)
I wanted to see if any folks who come here and who reside in the US may know from their headphone-buying experience of a retailer they know of that they could inform me about, so that I could try other places. Perhaps smaller than Walmart or Amazon, but who possibly will ship over here??
I just can’t find any.
I know you Dale buy in the US but from your reviews that I’ve read, I gather that you pretty much buy your headphones from Amazon US or Apple stores?
But perhaps in your long headphone-buying history you might know of other places?
Simply cannot believe the difference between US-shipped-over (IF they would) and plain old UK price. Beggars belief, and at the moment seems an intractable problem.
Any advice re- other places to try would be hugely appreciated!
Thanks.
dalethorn
This story is sooooooo… familiar – the big discount product, and the frustrations ahead of getting one. Then what happens when you get it and there’s a problem? I would worry about that.
Carl A
True, but with Amazon, be it UK or US, I wouldn’t have worried. I have been buying from them for so many years, UK and US, and they have never once been problematic over dealing with any issues I have had.
The frustration here is the simple price difference for the same product between Amazon US and Amazon UK, and the inability of Amazon US to ship the particular unit I want.
I would just order the black from them, pay the £85 and be happy as (for out ‘n about) I was pleasantly surprised by their sound quality, but really, the super-glossy black plastic just looked awful! One is continuously handling one’s ‘phones, especially when out, moving them down ’round neck, back on ears etc etc and they did just look BAD covered with fingerprints. I’m not terrible ocd or anything, but I couldn’t be doing with that! Whereas the military green are virtually entirelly matte and so look hugely better.
Never mind.
Incidentally, even though I liked the sound quality of the Vektr more than I expected to, and would be very happy using them as my portable cans, the sound quality was nowhere compared to the JBL S700’s. They were something else! But a few very notable issues sadly meant I had to return them. Shame, as their basic sound, NOT using the added ‘sound enhancement’ thing, was fabulous. With that turned on though? Oh dear. Absolutely unlistenable, and I do wish there were a version of them without it, that were also actually portable.
I ‘phoned JBL about a few things and they consider them to be portable ‘phones, but to me they are absolutely not. At full extension, they just, but only just, fit onto my ears, and then when moved down ’round the neck, they actually pushed my chin up!
Anyway, another story.
Thanks for your reply Dale.
Maybe at some point the green Vektr’s will come down in price in the UK, or even elsewhere in Europe, but at the moment, there seems to be something fishy going on with the discrepancy between the US and UK pricing of these headphones.
Be well.
dalethorn
Looking at the U.S. Amazon page for the green Vektr, it says :
“Shipping: This item is also available for shipping to select countries outside the U.S.”
Carl A
Yes. Up until yesterday they were available for shipping only within the US.
So yesterday, after unknowingly clinching a deal with the gods, so to say, I woke up this morning and what do I find, that now, today, they can be shipped here.
Not bad really.
Strange world – order then from US and pay postage and import duties and they cost £83.
Order from Amazon UK and they cost £194.
All is good.
I’ve ordered a pair and look forward to receiving them, knowing what their sound is like, even within a very loud, busy, bar environment, just connected to an iPod Nano.
dalethorn
Good to hear. When you have a good idea how they sound, especially compared to other known headphones here, then report here what you find out. Thanks!
L.
You question got through from the first time but I am not US based 😉
Vaibhav Pisal
hi guys,
have you used ifi audio products? I request you to include their reviews as well.
L.
I’m sorry I have not used any, it’s not in the planning for now.
dalethorn
Edd, the person who reviewed the v-moda M100 here on Headfonia, has covered the iFi products. I didn’t see anything in his reviews that made me want to order one, but to be fair, it seems like a competent product.
Vaibhav Pisal
thanks. is article on headfonia or other site?
L.
Other site I think
dalethorn
I googled ifi dac amp and there is a lot to look at.
Vaibhav Pisal
yup. I think I must’ve read it as I went through lot of reviews.
Lazer
Is there a possible review of the KEF M500 being released in the near future?
L.
Not that is planned Lazer, sorry
dalethorn
I’ve looked into reviews of the 500 several times, and each time came away unsatisfied with the information. I get the idea the sound must be fairly bland, since I never got the idea it was something unique or exciting in the reviews.
Triaman Leo Chandra
hi, have you ever use superlux HD681 EVO? i heard that they are great for their price range. I hope you can do review about it.
dalethorn
I did a bunch of google searches and found this data on Amazon from one user:
“It’s a good all-rounder and pretty sleek headphone, really pleasant tight bass, the velvet pads is a must.. took 1 star because the pads came dented in several points, bought from sonic sense. my EQ settings are: -5db for 31Hz, -7db 62Hz, -4db 125Hz, -1,4db 250Hz, 5,2db 1Khz, 5,5db 2Khz, -7db 4Khz, 3db 8Khz, -1db 16Khz
Looks like a heavy bass, recessed upper mids, big spike at 4 khz, then smooth from there on up.
Marc
Hey guys,
What would be a good DAP or portable DAC that would serve as a good source upgrade in to the DACport LX?? Would the AK100 mkII or the CLAS beat the LX by a large margin? Anyone care for a comparison?
Thanks everyone!!
Marc
Hi guys,
Right now I’m looking for a portable USB DAC (can be USB powered) or DAP (that can be used as an external DAC) as an upgrade to my Centrance DACport LX. This is going to be paired with my Duet and the CLAS would be my first option but it may prove to be too expensive considering I might still have to buy a newer gen iPod. Other choices would be the AK100 mkII as the AK120 would be out of my budget. Would anyone have a comparison between the three sound signature, technicalities, pairing synergy with the Duet. Your opinion matters greatly to me!!
Thanks guys,
Marc
L.
Ask Edd or vmoda perhaps?
dalethorn
You can order the plates, and you have to submit artwork (in jpeg form I think), so you’d have to edit the image you have to remove everything but the artwork and then submit that. Then they probably would do it unless they somehow knew it was someone else’s proprietary art.
Helmi
Hi! Please help me choose the right one i should buy
Budget : 100$
Source : desktop, android phone.
Isolation : I’ll use them mostly at home, it’s not really necessary.
Preferred Type : i don’t care as long as it has a good sound
Preferred Tonal balance : I don’t know, based on my preferred music i think i need all rounder
Past Headphones : Just a cheap $5 local headphone
Preferred Music : Mostly Classical, broadway music but sometimes i listen to rock, pop and many more
dalethorn
Beyerdynamic DTX501p.
Helmi
Thanks for the reply.
Anyway…
What is your opinion about
1. Alessandro MS1
2. Marshall Major i
How good are these two headphones refer to my preferred music?
dalethorn
I haven’t heard either one. Both are very well known though. The MS1 is a long term headfi favorite, and the Marshall Major I can only guess by the published response curves. The Marshall is so different from the Beyer, how could anyone compare them? I don’t know, since they’re not genre-specific. I can only tell you that I’ve had 2 of the Beyers, and they are the most hi-fi headphones I know of around $100.
Deskolim Cheong
Hello everyone.. Great reviews!!! I have read some, and get the amazing low budget headphons that have very positive reviews. Want to have one from this 3. ATH M50, V-MODA M80 or Beyer DT770PRO LE 88th. Can anyone give me a suggestion… Thank you.
L.
Of those 3 I think the best one is the dt770. The AE is not available anymore but the normal 32ohm version is.
tand
Btw M50 and DT770 are over ears , while the M80 is more portable on ears.
dalethorn
The M50 is an OK fit but could be snug for some ears, the M80 can be a real problem fitting unless 1) You bend the headband to fit more perfectly and 2) You give it some time to adjust each time you put it on. But with the DT770-32, you not only get the best sound, but a very comfortable fit with ample-size earcups.
dalethorn
I reviewed the FAD Pandora IV(4) today at the usual places. I don’t know that it would merit attention here, since it’s at least 6 db brighter than the Senn HD800.
rich
Hi, I am not against headphones listening. It has its important roles like for examples – portability, late night listening, cheaper entry points into quality listening etc. After getting this out of the way, let me start by saying that a proper hifi component stereo system is the way to go if a really immersive listening experience is desired. Listening to a good hifi stereo set up can immediately transfers the listener to a great concert hall etc. Staging, imaging, height and width are very apparent. It is my own experience that too many top headphones have a significant flaw in the treble region. It is just too bright. The drivers in headphones are often made of metal and metal rings, In main stream hifi, speakers are made from paper derivatives mainly. Just maybe the drivers in headphones should be redesigned to be of paper but this is not the speciality for us common folks. Also compared to main stream hifi, headphones listening is disadvantaged by the stuck in the middle of the head sound field. Yes some headphones are made with drivers slightly inclined towards the ear drums to simulate a real sound stage in front of the listener. But in the real world, this is not very significant solution. If some one can come up with a solution to make the sound field appears in front of the listener, headphones sales will spike thousands of times and will immediately go into mainstream hifi. In the meantime, many have a near field self powered speakers for listening in addition to headphones which is our great hobby here. Please do not slaughter the messenger. I only speaks the truth which cannot be stayed hidden for long.
dalethorn
Get Audioforge or the equivalent and tune out the resonances or other colorations in your headphones, and then you’ll have an experience in sound that’s superior to your speakers. NOTE: I’m not saying that the headphone can immerse your body with the kind of impact that speakers provide – I’m only talking about sound.
Since you feel that it’s important to compare speakers and headphones (I don’t think there’s necessarily a useful comparison), then that opens up the possibility that headphones are better – not just for portability or occasional use, but for all-the-time use for people who appreciate what headphones do.
The headphones versus speakers debate has a great audience at some sites, but not at headphone sites like this. Everyone here already knows the story.
rich
Thanks for your inputs. This topic is often debated in headfi.org and is relevant for all music lovers. Incidentally, Jude recommends a near field powered speakers in addition to headphones for a more complete listening pleasure.
dalethorn
I don’t see it being relevant for most of the people I know, who aren’t semi-wealthy like Jude. Most of us live in small apartments where speakers aren’t usable, but the good news is after accomodating to headphones, many of us have learned better sound. I have owned some fine Stereophile recommended speakers, and I’ve belonged to the Audio Engineering Society and studied speaker and acoustics theory, and I can witness to the ways in which good headphones make a richer experience, not being distracted by the “body” experience.
Dave Ulrich
I am with dalethorn completely. First, I have also learned better sound from using headphones. With even decent phones and equipment, you can hear deeper into the details of a (good) recording than with speakers. I also live in an apartment. Speakers, can’t use them. Heck, my wife even complains about my open back headphones. You have the money and space for speakers? Great! You prefer them to headphones? Great! But they are two very different ways to listen to music, and both have their strengths. I don’t see the point in comparing them. Plus, this is headfonia… it is in the title.
rich
I respect your opinions and your credentials. Jude recommends the KEF X300A for near field listening. Therefore it does not need large apartments. It is also not costly say compared to a HD800,T1 or LCD 3. It is meant to be complimentary to headphones listening. You owned Stereophile’s recommended amp, speakers etc. Then you would be able to appreciate why thousands of people are into mainstream hifi. We cannot be blind to the limitations or weakness and strength of various formats to hifi listening. It is in knowing that we can appreciate the whole and not parts of the whole.
George Lai
There is nothing wrong with having headphones and speakers, just like there is nothing wrong with having coffee and tea, an SUV and a two-door sports car. I’m surprised that if you were wondering into a coffee appreciation society meeting, you’d eschew the superior qualities of tea.
dalethorn
It has nothing to do with large apartments. And mainstream hifi today in 2014 is headphones – read the numbers. Another thing is the myth about headphones sounding too “wide” as though the soundstage were too big because the left and right were made for speakers that blend better. Like most myths, some truth is there, but most is not because todays’s recordings are made with headphones in mind – not as accessories, but as the majority device that music is listened with. Even some of the very old recordings (the good ones like RCA Living Stereo) sound right with headphones because of the simple and natural micing techniques used.
L.
thank you for the comment but as the guys have stated I’m running a headphone site here. You sure are right about the things you’re saying, the use of the speakers vs headphones just is different. I use both at home myself.
Dave McBride
Looking for a portable to use and keep in my laptop bag. Not critcal listening. Foldable would be nice. Have you heard AIAIAI Capital at all? Or what would you suggest?
L.
B&O H6 or Beyer T51p
Dave McBride
Sorry, I did not mention budget about 100.00. Using Senn PX 200 II now but my daughter broke them!
Thanks
dalethorn
For $100 get a real hi-fi headphone like the Beyerdynamic DTX501p. It’s a big step up from the PX series.
Dave McBride
Belated thanks. Held off when read reviews saying broke in just a few months of use. Have you owned them long?
dalethorn
I’ve had 2 – gave one away. I don’t consider them fragile, but they are not especially rugged. If you need rugged the v-moda on-ears are good for that – all metal and detachable thick cables. Another new low-cost headphone just came out which I really like – the Soundmagic P21. Like the DTX501p, it’s plastic with a non-detachable cable, but it’s very high quality (not meant to be especially rugged though), and probably half the cost of the DTX501p. I really like the sound – has very good bass impact and real treble (not strong though, which is good). I think anyone looking for a low-cost portable who will take care with it and not yank the cord hard (or yank it many times), will really appreciate what goes into the P21 for a great price.
L.
PX100, PX200, Porta Pro, HD202
Alton Britt
Dale or anyone—-What do you recommend for a light-weight portable headphone with a 3-button iPhone remote. I am considering the AKG K451 along with the Bose OE2i. Which of these would you recommend, or do you recommend something else? Mostly will use for walking/working out and light travel. Thank you for any response to my decision-making!
dalethorn
I’d take the AKG, since it’s much cheaper and probably sounds better, and less likely to distort. But those connectors to the earcups look fragile (ditto the Bose), so when putting the headphone on or taking it off, use both hands. I’ve had a habit of grabbing one earcup to pull a headphone off when someone wants to talk to me when I’m listening, and it weakens some of those hinges/connectors and they eventually fail. I can’t think of anything better for circa $120 that has a 3-button control. I’ve had all of the Sennheiser PX series, but those are just toys compared to the 2 you mentioned, and they get overloaded pretty easily.
Alton Britt
Thanks DT; you’re always so nice and polite, along with prompt with your responses! Forgetting the remote control, would the DXT590p be better for me? Also, your preference between the Senn HD280 and the ML Mikross 90, please? Thank you!
dalethorn
The Mikros 90 bass is too lean even for neutral sound. The earcup swivel mechanism is very cheap and unstable. The HD280 has some recess in the bass making it unbalanced. The overall sound is great for $100 USD, but then comfort isn’t good and the earpads are awful. The DTX501p is a great sound – nearly ideal bass and only a soft treble to nitpick – I think most people who buy it are surprised at how hifi it is.
Alton Britt
Thanks again DT!! Today, I ordered used versions of the AKG K451 and the Beyer 501p to try both out! Appreciate your help!! Got the Beyer DT990Pro/250 coming also to use in-home with Fiio E11 amp. What would be a good DAC to order for above? I realize now that I should have gotten an amp/dac combo but just ordered the amp instead. Oh well; live and learn, although I haven’t a clue as to how to use a DAC!!!
dalethorn
The FiiO DAC/amps are low cost so it would be better not to get a separate DAC until you’re ready to spend a lot. The E07k is a very good DAC/amp.
guitar_shredda*
Hi guys! Love the site, lots of great articles. What are your opinions on the Sennheiser HD 380 Pro’s?? I have a chance to buy them at a very good discount, are they worth a look at or should I cough up a bit extra for ATH-M50’S? (In South Africa Audio Technica products are very expensive, ATH-M50’s are retailing for over 200 dollars but in the USA they retail easily for under 150 dollars, I am able to get the 380 Pro’s for under 150 dollars).
L.
I don’t know that Sennheiser sorry. the M50 was for sale for 77€ from Germany this week. Might be interesting to you too
guitar_shredda*
Damn, thanks for the heads up anyways! I just thought maybe some here has heard the Senn’s as they are sold by the headfonia store
L.
Maybe ask Mike in the store? He’s not on here a lot anymore. sorry
dalethorn
The 380 pro is a great headphone. Better earpads than the 280 pro, much more comfortable, MUCH better bass, but quite different from the M50. And the 380 pro comes with a really nice zippered flat carry case.
CGL_Red
Hello, I have ordered a Dragonfly 1.2 to use with ATH M50 and ATH ANC 9B headphones. I am thinking of also ordering pioneer SP-BS22LR Andrew Jones Bookshelf speakers. Now I am pretty new to this business but atleast know that I will need a amplifier to drive the speakers. Is there any suggestions on budget amplifiers (around $150 – same as DragonFly) which complements Dragonfly well and also can drive the speakers when needed. I know I am asking for a lot, but I need direction to do further research. Thanks!
CGL_Red
Audio-Technica ATH-ANC7B**
CGL_Red
Also, instead of Dragonfly, what if I go to Fiio E17 and E9 combo… I didnt go with it initially because I really liked the portability of Dragonfly 1.2
dalethorn
Power amps (if the speakers aren’t the powered type) are not covered here to my knowledge. Headphone amps don’t have the power needed to drive non-powered speakers, even when you read that a headphone amp “will drive speakers”. You just would lose a lot of dynamics that way, if it worked at all.
dalethorn
Just got some new Beyer T51p earpads and put them on my older Beyer DT1350 headphone. Much, much better bass than with the standard 1350 earpads (regular or Facelift). Much more natural midrange as well. These T51p earpads have an instant-seal fit that I never could get with the standard earpads. I’ll do a more extensive evaluation over the next couple of days, but scanning for resonances or other bad behavior now, I don’t find anything. I am thrilled.
Gabriel
Mike and staff, Would you recable the AKG K550? Forza can do it for around 125USD.
L.
What are you missing in your AKG that makes you want to recable it?
Alton Britt
dalethorn: Your thoughts please on the Koss DJ-200 and the Shure SRH440, please sir! Looking a good closed-back for general music and movie enjoyment! Thanks!
dalethorn
I haven’t had either, but I’d recommend the SRH-440. I just ordered a 440 myself from Amazon U.S. for $99 USD. The Koss ProDJ200 looks great and from past experience should sound great – at least as good as the SRH-440. But ….. my experience with Koss headphones says to make sure you have a Koss repair facility where you can send them in conveniently. Check the Amazon reviews and sort by Newest First. You’ll see what I mean.
Alton Britt
Hope you will discuss the 440s when you can!
L.
Maybe Dale would like to review it for us on Headfonia?
Alton Britt
Sure hope so; very interested in buying same if it checks out good!
dalethorn
I can tell you now that it’s at least comparable to the HD380 Pro, and much better (esp. the bass) than the HD280 Pro.
Alton Britt
Thank you; some say that it’s even better with 840 ear pads!
dalethorn
I never tried the 840, and now I’m afraid to, since it can’t be as good as the 440, or can it? Shure sure has a different sound between the 440, 940, 1540, and 1840. All very different.
dalethorn
Yes – great idea. Unusually good sound for the price, decent earpads – good value. L will let me know how to write that up for Headfonia (text format, photos etc.)
L.
Just write it in Word and mail it to me and I’ll do the rest 😉
dalethorn
Good, thanks.
Gabriel
L, Just needed some reassurance that it wasn’t needed. I have a frugal yet amazing system, most of it going only with your reviews; they are that helpful! Next purchase is, an HP-A4. You guys are making a difference.
L.
Thank you Gabriel. Means a lot!
Sergio Mejia
I would like to make an inquiry, thanks to anyone who can help me: I bought some Sennheiser headphones-hd-700, and amplifiers have as options:
The Pan Am and A20 Beyerdynamic. Which one you think is the most appropriate?
If I buy one of the two amp? Also need to buy a DAC? The truth remained a little short of budget after these two purchases.
L.
I would suggest the Bottlehead Crack and you’ll have money for a dac
Sergio Mejia
Thanks “L” with your recommendation. Does the amp do you recommend is the same one has to assemble and weld? Actually I have no such knowledge. The amplifiers had mentioned before as my first choices, do you think work well with the HD700 headphones?
L.
I haven’t listened to the HD-700 with it but I think it should match fairly good seeing the HD650 is great with it.
Sergio Mejia
A which relates PAN AM amplifier or A20?
Thanks “L” for your comments, I’ll have this. I will also read the review they did on the website of the Bottlehead Crack.
L.
The a20. Sorry
Sergio Mejia
Anyone else want to give their assessment of their experience or knowledge about proper amp for Sennheiser hd-700?
Maksim Prosuzhikh
Hello. Your advices for me in the past always were very helpful (fun PX-100 II for street and terrific DT 770LE for office, which by the way helped me to overcome my prejudice against closed cans, moreover I ended up buying second 770LE for home 🙂 and for all the headphones that I have currently and love (including my personal reference – HD 650), you share the same feelings. So, I hope, you can help me again.
Long after my first meditation (couple of years if not more) about investing into “affordable” high-end equipment, I’m finally ready to do that. After all the evaluations and readings, as my end-game all-in-one solution I chose Benchmark DAC2 HGC. And now, am trying to choose the best headphones that could supersede the HD 650 or complement them in this new system.
Ascending, there were HE-400, HE-500, HE-560, HD 700, LCD-2, HE-6 (even though I’m not sure that the last will work with DAC2) and so on in “short-list”, little by little I stretched my budget up to $2000 (but the less I will spend, the better 🙂 and currently am deciding between HD 800, LCD-3, LCD-X.
All that I read about HD 800 tells me, that I will not like how they sound, besides there is a desire to try planar magnetic technology. I want something resembling the sound of HD 650 (not absolutely, a small drop of DT 770LE in the mix will also fit me fine, since I listen to many quite different genres of music, “a little more universal” will be the right word 🙂 and with a comparable comfort for long listening sessions.
As I see, there is some controversy around, which is better altogether, with a inconsistent comparisons to HD 650, LCD-3 or LCD-X (for example, in stereophile namely LCD-X proposed as HD 650 higher-level replacement if I understand them rightly). Myself leaning toward LCD-X at the moment. What will you say on that matter? Or maybe I should stick to HD 650 and forget all of this?
The main problem — I can’t audition any of them in advance, so it will be a venturous leap of faith. And so why this entire mess in my head. Thanks in advance!
ps: By the way, in your experience, will the microsuede pads for Audeze change their sound compared to leather?
dalethorn
I can’t answer much of this, but I would say since you like the HD650 and the DT770LE, you would do good to stay away from the HD800, and go for a planar instead – avoid the brighter headphones.
L.
The “natural” upgrade for the HD650 is the LCD-2. And then the 3. people don’t talk too much about the X, more about the closed XC.
I am a big fan of the HD650 and the LCD-2/3 is a headphone that is a step up in the same direction.
Now I do not know your Benchmark unit so I don’t know how they would sound on that.
The “new” leather has a better seal and therefor you get a better bass. I put the vegan pads on my Audeze and I prefer them over the leather.
Hope that helps!
Dave Ulrich
What is the sound difference between the leather and vegan?
L.
The soft leather really has a sucking effect on your ears: very good seal and therefore a lot more bass ‘sometimes even too much on the LCD3). the vegan is also soft but stays is shape more and doesn’t have that sucking bass effect.
Maksim Prosuzhikh
Yes, thanks ) So, it is then LCD-2/3 route depending on last-minute budget. By the way, can you confirm, that LCD-2 is 80% of LCD-3?
I tried to google this combination (DAC2+LCD-3), to see if there is any problem, and seems owners of such pair are quite happy with it.
As addition, it seems that several months ago, Audeze silently has updated LCD-2 and -3 with Fazor’s. There’s so much revisions of them in the wild. Making it difficult to compare by scattered around reviews and comments.
L.
The best version of the LCD2 to me still is the 2.1 but it will be very hard to find. I would suggest finding a 2 or 3 from before the latest change
I’d hate to have put a % on the LCD2 vs the LCD3 cause the upgrade is noticeable by quite a bit. But 80% might be correct.
Dave Ulrich
So, that would be… bamboo over the rosewood?
Alton Britt
HELP, please with Fiio E07K Connection!—need to hook-up with Samsung laptop using Windows 8.1; would be most grateful and appreciative of any suggestions/recommendations!!
Dave Ulrich
Doesn’t the e7k use a USBa to USBmini cable? One should be included with the Fiio. You connect that to the laptop… or is there something in this question that I’m not getting?
dalethorn
Connect mini USB cable end to FiiO and USB-A end to computer. Then you have to do settings – Control Panel maybe?
L.
The guys are right. Insert correct cables in device on laptop. Check setting ins devices in control panel. Shouldn’t be hard
Lance Lavender
Hello and greetings from Hawaii:
You are providing an excellent website with fantastic practical advice and information and you also find the time to answer all these questions. A fantastic service and I take my hat off to you.
I of course like the rest of your flock, have a question. I just purchased the V-moda M-100’s (bass heavy) full size headphones. I will be using them only with my Mac laptop and I-Tunes music and movies. Some high quality Mp3’s but many AIFF music files.
I want to know if the Fiio E-17 will work very well with these headphones. Is there enough power? I don’t want to lose the bass emphasis of the phones.
I realize the Fiio maybe considered an entry level product and I certainly do NOT want to purchase it just for that reason. I’m looking for a significant enhancement in sound quality and I assume volume as well. Will the Fiio be a so-so improvement, decent improvement or how close will it be to giving the WOW factor?
I can spend up to $300.00 to get the WOW factor and spend a little more to get something noticeably better than the E-17. I want an amp/dac in one unit preferably unless you have a recommendation for a separate amp and separate dac.
What do you think? Thanks much, Lance
dalethorn
I don’t think the E17 is a sufficient upgrade over the Macbook, considering the high efficiency of the M100. It isn’t really a wow factor from my point of view as it is making the right investment that will tighten up the M100 bass, and be good for other headphones also. Exactly which amp – let’s see what the others say. BTW, be prepared to save up a little more for a good amp. In the meantime the Mac will work fine.
L.
I agree with Dale, you won’t find the WOW factor there
Steve
hi, i have a B&W P7 and zeppelin, i’d like to improve the sound quality, do the amp and dac do the good job? or they’re just do a little change. i always use iPhone and macbook at home, i think the price should below 200
L.
In that case I would recommend something like a JDSLabs C5D amp/dac combo
LX
Just to let you know this site is wealth of information.
At the moment i have M-Stage Amp & DAC with HE-400, and i am loving it. Although i am thinking of purchasing another amp and dac because i am getting tiered of transporting the amp and dac from home to work and back.
My question.
After all my research i am leaning towards Schiit Magni and Modi combo as its cheap and from what I read it really performs well with HE-400.
However I am in dilemma, should I spend little extra coin and get a better amp that can power LDC-3 headphone as I am really considering on getting this very soon maybe with in next 6 -12 month? If I get better amp should that amp be able to power any other headphones I get ?
Thanks
LX
L.
Thank you LX. I would for sure save up and get something that works great with the Audeze like the Violectric range. the HE400 doesn’t need much amping at all
LX
L.
Thanks for your quick responds.
do you recommend any specific models ?.
Jut to let you know i listen to all type of music majority of the time its rock/r&B/little house.
My main goal at the moment is to learn as much as can and to try distinguish difference in sound and what to look.
one more question i listen to my music on iTunes do you recommend any better software out there.
and las question how do you deal with EQ how do you know what is good what is not ?
thank you so much .
LX
L.
Thanks for your quick responds.
do you recommend any specific models ?.
Jut to let you know i listen to all type of music majority of the time its rock/r&B/little house.
My main goal at the moment is to learn as much as I can and to try distinguish difference in sound and what to look.
One more question i listen to my music on iTunes, do you recommend any better software out there?
Last question how do you deal with EQ how do you know what is good what is not ?
Thank you so much .
L.
V100 or V200.
Itunes is ok I suppose, but there is better software for PC and Mac
I do not use EQ, ever.
WA7. Looks girly. I kid, I never listened to it.
LX
haha WA7 looks girly….
what software do you recommend for mac ?
when you say you don’t use EQ what do you leave it as ?
do you do any other adjustments ?
do you recommend any amps with tubes.
thanks heaps for you answers.
L.
Have you read this?
http://www.headfonia.com/os-x-audio-players-amarra-audirvana-pure-music-fidelia-decibel-and-bitperfect/
EQ is flat, cause I want to hear it how it was recorded.
adjustments are done by using different amps, dacs and cables in my case
I recommend mostly tube amps but those wouldn’t do the HE400 any good. 😉
LX
Just to let you know this site is wealth of information.
At the moment i have M-Stage Amp & DAC with HE-400, and i am loving it. Although i am thinking of purchasing another amp and dac because i am getting tiered of transporting the amp and dac from home to work and back.
My question.
After all my research i am leaning towards Schiit Magni and Modi combo as its cheap and from what I read it really performs well with HE-400.
However I am in dilemma, should I spend little extra coin and get a better amp that can power LDC-3 headphone as I am really considering on getting this very soon maybe with in next 6 -12 month? If I get better amp should that amp be able to power any other headphones I get ?
Thanks
LX
Vaibhav Pisal
thank you guys for your answers.
am still doing some research and wanted to know,
as you have stated countless times, OTL amps are best for high impedence cans,
is this true for both full tube amps and hybrid tube designs like:
http://www.garage1217.com/garage1217_diy_tube_headphone_amplifiers_003.htm
Also are you familiar with this amp?
Also what does synergy between headphone mean (eg between hd650 and crack)?
does crack fills sound stage with more number of instruments (ie you hear more different instruments at same time) or is it something else?
sorry for too many questions.
L.
We advise to stay away from that amp. check the www and headfi.
Vaibhav Pisal
hello,
read a lot of threads. could not find much. there are not enough articles about it.
can you please elaborate a bit.
tand
Hi Guys,
I was lucky to find a headphone that is a keeper for my collection. The B&W p5.
Totally unexpected. It’s perfect in build, comfort and looks. I just love the way it looks on my head. Sound is very good too. Works well with any music genre.
It’s so good.Already my go to headphones when I am on the road.(Btw surprise it was on the recommended list of headfonia)
Now I am a bit unsure about what next. . Should I still buy the NAD hp50.(Didnt buy it a month ago.Didnt have the color i wanted). Should be picking it up this week. And I am very unsure if I should.
I like it. But sound is similar to the P5 i think. Maybe better to use the money for a different kind of headphone.
Like an overears open headphone like teh SHure 1840?
dalethorn
The Shure 1840 is radically different from the P5 – it’s thin in the bass and brighter in the treble. The HP50 would be more in line with the P5.
tand
Hi Dale.
The P5 is my keeper on ears closed headphones. Didnt expect it. TBH not sure if its a short crush or more long term 😉
For over ears..i am thinking of buying another close like HP50. Or go for an open ears.
Already have the 2 closed over ear. Dt770 32ohm and HM5 clone.
For overears open headphones…I am considering the following:
Dt880 250 ohm. Cheap at 125/140 2nd hand. These older models are quite cheap now.
HD 600 or 650. These are expesive. At best 150€ if i am lucky secondhand.
Lastly is the SRH 1840. Bit expensive at € 300+
So 2 questions. Go for another close or get an open,
And lastly after reading your reviewof teh SRH1840 n innerfidelity. Are these better than the other options? Would they fit my taste.
In what way is it radically different? Is it like the AKG in sound?
L.
if you want open go for the Sennheisers. Hard to beat.
tand
Yeah looking into 600 or 650.
Wow is the SRH 1840 so deficient in bass?
dalethorn
A slightly weak bass isn’t so bad, but when the 1840 distorts on a low bass note at *low* volume, you know something is wrong.
tand
Wow distortion?!?. What kind of sound do you hear?
Clipping?
Isnt your headphone just damaged?
dalethorn
No. I read about it on head-fi and so I purchased the CD to get that track and try with my headphone. I got the same result as head-fi. You can try it if you want to.
tand
Just that one track? What did shure say about it?
dalethorn
Shure is notorious for not speaking about anything, let alone a design problem (if that’s what it is). And it’s not just one track, it’s just a good track to illustrate the issue. Once you hear it you can understand what’s happening with other tracks too. The average user, even those who spend $700 for a headphone with lighter-than-average bass, doesn’t really know how to evaluate deep bass, since there are extremely few recordings outside of electronica that have genuine fundamentals around 30 hz and below that are strong enough and detailed enough to be very prominent on a Shure 1840.
tand
I am ashamed to say..I bought the NAD Viso 50.
Just 1 week after the P5. Bad impulse buyer…
dalethorn
The HP50 has a good reputation. If I had it I would run some tone sweeps to see where the variances are and clean them up. It should be a good headphone if it’s comfortable. I found the Focals to be terrible.
tand
Well Thats just it…comfort.I have had two sessions listening to the headphone. 1 or 2 hours and both times I needed to take a break because my right ear canal. Just inside my ear gets very painfull. Like something is pressing on it. but once the I remove the headphone the pain subsides at once. But i still feel some residual pain.When I touch my ear..i doesnt hurt.
What could it be? Can i do something about it?
dalethorn
Usually it’s pressure on one small part of the ear pinnae, and since those parts are cartilage, which is partly stiff and connects to other parts, they can amplify the sensation until it’s painful. For on-ear headphones I can mostly fix by adjusting it on the ears slightly, sometimes several times. For around ear it’s usually the driver parts inside the earcup, and most people put spacers or strands of “rope” in the earcup tucked in under the earpads, so the ear isn’t so close to the driver. But that can change the sound. Sometimes you can get substitute earpads – there’s probably somebody at head-fi already did that.
dalethorn
Open is OK if you get a good one – HD650 is as solid a choice as they come. The 1840 is a very specialized headphone in my experience – I reviewed it very favorably on having a perfect lower treble, an acceptable high treble, and although I didn’t really like the bass, I found I could get by with it. Unfortunately the 1840 bass isn’t just a little weak – it has serious problems. Compare the music track Rock You Gently by Jennifer Warnes, even the Youtube version should do – every headphone I have plays the opening bass notes well, except the 1840. It’s just not right. Unless Shure updated it, which is doubtful. Now for the ultimate reviews of DT880 or 990 (assuming you’ve already checked here on Headfonia), Edd’s reviews of those on his NobleHifi blog are good information.
França
I need some advice, i need a new headphone, i current have the Senn HD 439, ATH M50 and JVC HA-S500. I want a headphone with lush mids, good for female vocals but with no sibilance or too much hot treble. I’m choosing between Sony MA-900, Hifiman HE-300 and Philips X1, any thoughs? Thank you
ps: i really enjoy hd 439 signature though.
L.
I was going to say HD650 but the X1 in your list should do the trick too
França
Can you do a compare about Hifiman HE-300 and Philips X1 ? Are they at the same league? Thanks
meh
ever heard or tried the ud110v2 or somethings similar?
meh
since some of u from indonesia, u might want to get one from malaysia
couple of reviews say it on par on JDS LAPS 02-ODAC..
Gabriel Ross
Mike and staff, Is there a burn-in time for the HP-A4?
elzafir
Hi Mike,
I’m a budget audiophile and have a penchant for “best bang for the buck”.
I have a Superlux HD661 (my ‘on the go’) and HD681EVO (my home cans). I love both of them. I’ve compared the HD661 to ATH-M30 and Beats Solo HD. The HD661 came out superior in all aspects, except for comfort and portability. I love the HD661 sound signature and looking something similar to it, but “better”. My source is a Nexus 4 with a FiiO portable amp (another sign of me being a “value for money” guy).
I’m thinking of upgrading the HD661. My budget is up to $200, which I can extend to $250 if I absolutely have to.
My options are: Koss PortaPro and Audio Technica ATH-M50x. I’m thinking of getting them both, mainly because the PortaPro is so dirt cheap! (Although, is the Koss better than the HD661?)
Do you think they would be a worthwhile upgrade to the HD661? Or should I aim higher? I also can get a used Sennheiser HD650 for $200 from a friend, although I’m looking for a portable headphone right now.
dalethorn
Probably the best portable I’ve had, and certainly the best bargain, is the Beyerdynamic DTX501p – $99 USD. It may be the same as the Soundmagic P30, but I have yet to confirm that. The DTX501p has a perfect bass, a good midrange, and worst case may not be as bright as the Superlux. It also comes with a perfect small zippered stiff carry case.
George Lai
Living in the tropics, on-ears and over-ears are just not possible when out and about. That may explain the huge IEMs and CIEMs market here.
elzafir
Yeah I agree. Fortunately I don’t walk around that often. I usually listen to music in the office, which is air conditioned.
elzafir
Thanks for the suggestion. Although, I mentioned in another reply that I don’t prefer supraaural headphones, but the price is within my budget. So I might consider it. How do you think it compares to the ATH-M50x? Because, coming from Superlux, I’m ready to level up my audiophilia from budget (under $100) to entry-level (under $300) portable headphones. And I’ve heard the M50 is a “$300-400 cans sold for $150”. I’m just wondering whether that’s true.
dalethorn
The M50x has a more hi-fi signature out of the box due to a slight treble recess with the DTX501p. But if you can boost the treble slightly or live with the stock sound, the DTX501p is smoother and better. It’s also very light and a best bet for tropical weather, like where I live. The M50 series is a no-go for portable use, especially in very warm weather.
elzafir
Since we’re talking about ultraportables, how do you compare the beyerdynamic DTX501p to the Koss PortaPro or the JAYS v-Jays?
Although I’m still interested in the M50x, the blue version is not yet available in my country and I got nobody in the near future to handcarry me then from abroad, so I might get $100 supraaural to keep me company in the mean time.
dalethorn
The Koss I didn’t consider due to reliability issues – not just outright failure, but progressive loss of sound. The Jays interest me but I haven’t ordered yet – there were two versions listed on Amazon, and one version got good reviews and the other bad reviews. The B&O Form2i is actually a very good very small portable.
johthor
I happened to bump into this post while searching for something else. I ordered a pair of DTX501p and just got them today. Right out of the box they sound really good for the price. I will let them burn in for a couple of days and then check them out more thoroughly. I got them specifically to use out of my Samsung Galaxy S5 and at their price I think they will be hard to beat. Thanks for the recommendation.
L.
The HD650 is easily the best headphone from these, but like you say, it’s not portable. The T51P is also extremely good as a portable. But less budget friendly
elzafir
Thanks for your suggestion. But it is outside my budget. And I’m actually not really fond of supraaural phones. What do you recommend for a good circumaural portable phones, with a fairly revealing and relatively balanced frequency response, that’s under $200?
dalethorn
Shure SRH840 and Yamaha MT220. The Shure has a more hi-fi sound.
elzafir
I’m intrigued with the Shure. Thanks, I’ll take it into consideration.
tand
Tbh I like the 650 for 200$.
It’s not a portable by any means though. But if it’s in great condition. Go for it.
And you sell your older headphones and with the extra 50$ look for a portable. Or use it to buy the portapro.
Btw the CALs are quite cheap.TBH i like it more than portapro for not much more.
s. zorin
Really the best option for you would be to save a bit extra money and get Audio-Technica A900X LTD [currently on Ebay at 500 USD] or A900X [currently on Amazon.com at 160 USD which is a steal price] I would rate A900X as about the best value in sound for price in mid price headphones. A900X LTD is a little tweaked/improved over A900X. Think about it this way – life is short, we are all sliding towards either a hole in the ground or a crematorium furnace before that. We should enjoy life, music included, as much as possible. Why not spend a bit on good headphones ? Life is too short to be wasted on substandard headphones and sound.
Jkitto
I’m a complete novice when it comes to everything sound related, but I’m seeking some advice. I currently use the AKG Q701’s with the Fiio E12 and an iPod Touch. I’m looking to buy the Fiio X5 as my music player because I’ve heard that iPods are crap haha. If I use the X5 with the E12, will I achieve “better sound” than using my iPod Touch with the E12?
Also I have a few more questions:
– Will I hear more details with the gain switch at 16dB on the E12 rather than at 0dB?
– Would the E12 benefit the X5 or should I only use the X5 with my Q701’s?
Any advice would be greatly appreciated!!!
L.
In general I would say that the more gain used the more detail you loose.
Ipod combined with iDevices are great but ipod nanos don’t deliver the best sound on itself (last generation is ok). in that regard I would say the X5 delivers better sound than a simple ipod. Have you looked at the DX50 or DX90 or AK100/120?
dalethorn
I would make every possible effort to avoid having two volume controls in your playback path. In other words, if using (for example) an E12 amp, feed the amp with a Line Out that doesn’t have a volume control in it.
L.
of course, always use the LO.
Gabriel Ross
L. Would a pure silver 1 meter after market cable for the L2, be good move; will it make it to bright?
dalethorn
How is the brightness to you right now, with the standard cable?
L.
I personally do not feel the treble on the L2 needs any improvement or extra focus. therefore I would not use a pure silver cable on my L2.
Why do you feel like you need silver?
If I did change the cable on my L2 (which I won’t) I would use a copper or a copper+silver hybrid cable.
Guest
do you guys have any recommendation for headphones i should try out specifically for genres like female vocals / accoustics / slow guitars / indie folk… my budget is around $350~430.
im thinking about going to headfonia store jakarta to try it out, so… it’d be great if your recommendation is available there…
L.
I would go for the Sennheiser HD650! But more important: what would be the source and/or amp?
george
i have no dac and amp. but all my music are either flacs or 320kbps…
that wouldn’t be good to drive hd650 is it?
L.
Really? I bought mine for $320. But you would need an amp for that indeed. Momentum? T51P?
george
i guess sennheiser local distributor msrp is quite high, not sure. HD 598 is $380. do you have other recommendations than sennheiser brand…?
btw, i just check out denon d340 and d600 on denon’s website. are they any good for the genres i described above…?
L.
D600 is ok. How about HE-400?
george
yea the headfoniastore jakarta website have that listed too.
so d600 / he-400… any other brands or models i should audition for when i go there…? or just this two?
L.
Just ask in the store there, they’ll be able to help you out
dalethorn
The HD650 is the most certain all-around performer if you can stretch your budget. The Beyerdynamic DT770-32 ohm is good. Philips L2 or X1 might work. Soundmagic HP100 or HP200 are good. For acoustic music, female vocal etc. the Senn HD600 might be a good bet also.
L.
I can agree. Would go for a closed one though. So senn or hp200 or x1
george
hi dalethorn,
i saw your final audio pandora IV review on youtube? (cmiiw). In jakarta Pandora IV cost $440, as a comparison HD 600 cost $475 and HD650 cost $530.
pandora VI is out of my budget, it seems heavy reading the specs though, ~410gr.
what do you think abt Pandora IV for genres i listed above…?
dalethorn
Take a look at this chart:
http://dalethorn.com/Photos/Audioforge/Final_Audio_Pandora4.jpg
That’s what I did to make the Pandora IV(4) sound very similar to the Pandora VI(6). The Pandora VI(6) is slightly V-shaped, but near enough to neutral/warm. However the Pandora IV(4) has a very irregular treble. I was told by the UK site that sells the IV that it would sound more like the VI if you put the VI earpads on the IV. But those earpads cost about $80 USD or about 65 pounds UK. It’s not just irregular treble – it’s very bright and harsh, so hopefully someday they will include the better earpads with the IV or offer it as an option at the point of sale.
EDIT: Based on the prices you listed, plus the much better comfort, the HD600 and 650 look like a much better deal.
george
hi dalethrone,
thank you for your response.
yeah, i dont think they sell the VI earpads here, not to mention buying it from the US would probably double or triple the price.
if i buy 600 / 650, how much is the bare minimum USD i should set aside for an amp? will portable amp do it?
sadly they dont have schiit magni here. they have the o2+dac combo though for $300. is it possible to spend <150 for an amp to drive hd600 / hd650?
dalethorn
A great standard headphone amp to use with a phone or small portable music player would be the FiiO E12. If you want a DAC-plus-amp to run from the computer, the FiiO E07k would work, but would not have as much power as the E12.
george
between the time i posted and now i’ve google’d some more regarding availabilities here and reviews…
i’d like to list the headphones available where i live below….. i’d like to ask you… do you mind ranking for me subjectively, how these headphones sounded for the genres i listed (female vocals / slow guitars / accoustics / folk / jazz / classical (a bit) ) and it’s comfort
shure 940 ($375)
Pandora IV ($440)
denon d340 ($320)
denon d600 ($450)
senn hd 600 ($475)
senn hd 650 ($530)
ATH A900x ($290)
ATH ESW9 ($340)
ATH ES10 ($390)
ps:: the reason i asked you for sound and comfort level is because the stores that have shure / denon / pandora / ATH is pretty far from one another, and i feel a little hesitant demoing for more than 10 minutes and ended up not buying, so i’d like to narrow my choices with your help ^_^
thank you so much for your help so far
dalethorn
I can’t describe comfort for all those since it’s too much for time available. For sound the neutral headphones like Shure 940, Senn HD600 are best for folk/acoustic/female vocals. Pandora IV isn’t listenable so no rank. I’m not familiar with Denons. You could ask Edd at NobleHiFi. The HD650 is good for rock, not as good for your genres. The ESW9 has a recessed treble – not so good. I assume the ES10 is same as ESW9, since I researched it some. A900x I don’t know about.
george
Actually what i meant by ranking is just 1-2-3-4-5-ing in order of comfort and genres… i apologize i didn’t convey it properly. and i’d like to thank you as well, very much for taking time to describe it by words…
again, im sorry for not conveying the mssg properly.
just 10 minutes ago… i got two offers, from fellow consumers… one locally and one internationally.
the local offer was shure 1440 for ($510)
the int’l offer was shure 1540 for ($670, shipped, taxes paid)
i think the 1540 is deff. out of my budget, but the shure 1440 locally cost ($610-ish)
since now it’s inside my budget.. how’s shure 1440 compared to 940? does it give more details than 940..? is it also a neutral headphone? and is it more enjoyable to listen to than 940?
ps: i (sort of) promised that’ll be my last question…
thank you so much dale, it really helped ^_^
L.
We’re trying to help everyone here but like Dale said we don’t have time to do all the analyzing for you. Good luck with your search
dalethorn
1440 is nearly identical to 940. The 1540 is the opposite of the other Shure headphones – it’s bass-heavy and treble recessed, giving much less detail than 940 or 1440.
george
hi dalethorne,
thank you very much for your reply. i’ve narrowed down my choices into these 2 after further readings. shure 940 / hifiman he-400. have you heard or own he-400?
if you were me which one would you get between those two? Sound-wise and durability-wise
@L,
would you mind if i ask this 1 question to Dalethorne?
i did went to the store in the middle of my first posting and now, i kept posting here partly because of my experience going to the store.
i’d prefer not to go into details
cheers 🙂
dalethorn
The HE400 for sure. The 940 is very good, but the planar HE400 will be better. I have heard 3 planars now, and what they do for bass is incredible. With the HE 400 you will hear that, but the mids and treble will also be very good.
george
great, then that’ll probably be my choice~!
it’s not that important but, does Hifiman he-400 have noise cancellation feature? passive noise cancellation at least…?
and lastly, i’ve read the spec sheets and it weights ~440gram… when you wear he-400… do you feel the weights..? is it comfy enough for you / for longer period of listening? (say, 2~4 hours…)
my last headphone is the grado sr60 so.. it’s very light..
L.
George, have you read anything at all about the HE-400? Noise cancelling on a planar?!
We’re willing to help everyone but please don’t ask these kind of questions which you obviously could have answered yourself by reading any review of the HE-400
http://www.headfonia.com/mike-and-lieven-on-the-hifiman-he-400/
Yes the HE-400 are heavier. I can wear them for 8 hours but others have a hard time getting to 1 hour.
george
i did read a couple reviews about he-400 yes, including this website.
While i’d prefer not to go into details but my headfonia store experience…, i write this hoping the reply will makes you better understand why i asked that question.
when i went to headfonia store and ask about closed back headphones and whether open back headphones will leak sound, the person said open back headphones doesn’t leak sound and it won’t bother the person next to me (aka possible to be used in public). The person also mentioned about passive noise cancellation as well.
that’s the opposite of what i read on the internet, so leaving the store made me confused on the issue.
asked a couple questions there as well, the visit was not a pleasant experience however.
Among the reviews i’ve read, i’ve read this website review as well…
and after your reply, i re-read the review again. the review didn’t mention noise or sound leakage.
i’m sure you’re a good person. and i’m really helped by many of your answers.
However, while it’s obvious to you, it wasn’t obvious to me that open back headphones means 100% leakage. let alone planar means no noise cancellation.
especially after the visit to the headfonia store.
i’m just stating that while i googled the definition of open / closed back headphone (in terms of sound leakage), the headfonia store person insist otherwise.
and that is why i asked.
i hope that this reply clears it for you.
(i believe that the headfonia store person are good person as well, i hope what happened to me was an isolated case)
L.
I am extremely surprised to hear that. I’m not related to the store but I will pass this to Mike as that’s hardly acceptable imo. thanks
dalethorn
Heavier headphones work just as well as lighter headphones, *if* you keep your head still. When you move your head quickly any direction you create angular momentum, which is more noticeable with more weight.
george
thanks dalethorne~!
i’ll be seeking he-400 then, cheers
dalethorn
Thanks – and when you get it, take a deep breath (metaphorically speaking) and give it lots of time for the new experience to jell. Once I got used to the planar sound I had a whole new perspective on what headphones can do.
george
hi L,
i came back posting again today to ask, is there any way i can edit / delete that very very big picture above?
When i put that picture, i thought it was going in to be my profile picture, but instead, it went to the website… it’s very very big~…
oh btw id like to tell you and dalethorne that i’ve just ordered my he-400 from headamp (and will get the velour pad also). thanks a lot guys…~!
L.
Enjoy the headphone!
Apogee
I am able to get either the Lcd2 rev1 or Beyerdynamic T1 at the same price here in the uk at £500. which would you recommend higher. I listen to most times of music, but really like scores and would also use the headphones for watching movies.
L.
You can still get a rev1?! Buy it!
Apogee
its second hand. the t1 is new
meh
if i were u bro, i would take the lcd-2, even if it the less better revision,
it just my personal preference after some time on my beyer, im leaning toward more more(adjusting/recabling) to a planar sound signature, maybe it my time for a change..
and here in malaysia, i can get the T1(new, or used(like new)) around £400(more or less) while audeze used were nowhere to be found, so as hifiman..
meh
can i know y u so interest in rev1? can i know why its special?
L.
The Rev. 1 was the best sounding LCD-2 they made according to a lot of people, me included.
solid
any other set up other than bottlehead crack for HD 700??
L.
Beyer A20. Lafigaro 339, Woo Audio 2, V200…
http://www.headfonia.com/ls-take-on-the-sennheiser-hd700/
solid
how about for lcd-x??
L.
From what I hear from Mike it hardly needs amplification. haven’t tried it myself yet
solid
any difference in sound between lambskin ear pads and leather free for audeze??
L.
Lambskin seals a bit better and had better bass as a result. this is minimal though
dalethorn
Yesterday I bought a Sennheiser HDA280, the $300 audiometric version of the $100 HD280 Pro. Much better fit and earpads, cable terminated with 6.35 mm plug. Sound is very different from HD280 Pro – very mids-centric, but may have a specially-detailed bass. Needs more listening/break-in time. Red/blue earcups.
Anant Pandit
I went through your Source and Amp recommendations. Till date I have been only a phone or ipod based music listener. At home I have Klipsch 2.1 with my Xonar Essence ST sound card.
My question is are there any combo of Source with built in Amp ?
Ibasso DX50 is around 250$ any suggestions around 150-175$ ?
Thank you
L.
X3 maybe?
Anant Pandit
Sorry to pick your ears for one more question –
For more of Rock(mostly classical 70s or Alternate) and Techno(mostly Daftpunk/chemical brothers) music , what earphone would be best suited
X3 or dx50?
VSonic gr07
T-PEOS H-100
Dunu 1000
Shure SE215
Brainwavz R3
Thanks
L.
Gr07. Cant go wrong. The shure is good too
Anant Pandit
Thank you. L
Anonymous
Hi guys, im new to this but i really enjoy listening to music. i was hoping to learn how to listen to music better. i have an ibasso dx50 and still tying to learn about headphones and music so if any of you an help that would be nice.
dalethorn
Seems like you have good equipment, so to listen better, try challenging yourself with new types of music you haven’t heard before. Try different headphones if you can, since you already have a very good music player. I read the reviews here and a few other places, and when they mention music examples, I go to iTunes or other services and search for those tunes, and if I like any of them I buy them, or maybe buy the whole CD.
Anonymous
Thanks I’ll give them a try. Sorry to ask another question but what music is best suited for the Philips fidelio L2? Thanks again
L.
It’s a pretty much do-it-all headphone
L.
What Dale said, and try the Philips Golden Ear Program: http://www.headfonia.com/the-golden-ears-training-program-by-philips/
dalethorn
Philips Golden Ear is a great example. Someone mentioned the source for the test track there, so I looked it up and then bought the entire album – excellent music.
Alok Juyal
Hi, planning to try out one of the portable amp/dac. Choosing between the Theorem and Centrance M8. I currently use a CLAS+AloContV2. Will audition both, but every piece of headgear has been bought after seeking advice here and never regretted. Thoughts?
Dave Ulrich
I haven’t heard either, but if L and/or Mike don’t chime in to recommend the Theorem, I will buy a Mule just so I can eat it. I do have to ask though, do you feel something is lacking with your current setup, and what headphones do you use?
Alok Juyal
Headphones would be Shure 846, 535, hifiman he400, vmoda m100, Senn Momentums. Nothing lacking at all. Just looking for something that slips into my laptop bag more easily 🙂
L.
Hi. The CLAS + ALOContV2 already is a very good setup, you might still improve soundwise but don’t expect it to be world changing.
Your headphones also are not that difficult to drive. Both devices you mention are good. The M8 to me is the more aggressive sounding. It’s also bigger and gets warmer. The CL has the smoother sound and better dac imho, the M8 has more power (which you don’t need)
But if I were you I would just stick to the setup you have and maybe get a Duet
Alok Juyal
Thanks for the advice Lieven, always appreciated. Only reason I look is for increased portability. The Theorem is slightly smaller than the M8 I recall.
L.
Yes, it is lighter too and gets less warm.
Alok Juyal
Out of curiosity, since you said I could improve sound wise though not by much. Any suggestions on a DAC+Amp rig that would improve the sound somewhat. I could think of trying something different in the future. The Rx Mk3 B+ usually comes to mind.
L.
You could always go AK240 + Chord + Duet/RX MK3B
Alok Juyal
Thank you. Point well made – my wallet cried out when it saw that list 🙂
L.
Goal achieved. No seriously the setup mentioned earlier is already very good and I could live with that forever
Marc
Can we expect a review on the new Cypher Labs AlgoRhythm Picollo soon or is it still far from commercial?
L.
Yes of course. I hope to have it soon but it depends on CypherLabs
Zeppie
Hi guys! Have you already tried the dx90? Im looking for a portable amp that can drive the audeze LCD-XC but then can be use to my ciem that will have a good synegy too. Any suggestion?
L.
Cypher Labs Duet.
DX90 review is coming soon
Zeppie
How was the synergy of the two? Any thoughts? Im also thinking of the vorgz pure II which is said to be like the duet. And now the latest Picollo of cypherlabs.
Marc
Hi guys!
I haven’t seen any iFi products here yet but you guys here at Headfonia should really consider taking a look at the soon-to-be-released iFi iDSD Micro!! Specs are looking good so far and I believe they haven’t released all its secrets yet. Of course specs and features aren’t anything if it doesn’t sound good and I really hope to see a review of it here for that reason. That being said, I’ll place the currently known features in a later comment here so the people interested wouldn’t have to dig the entire iFi thread in Head-Fi
Marc
1) Dual Mono USB DAC featuring two DSD1793 chips by Burr-Brown Japan and claimed to be made before the TI’s acquisition
2) Up to 32/352.8 and 32/384 for PCM and Quad DSD/DXD all those fancy formats and Coaxial input/output (limited to 24/192) I believe
3) Proprietary “ZeroJitter” tech, digital filters, crossfeed, bass boost, and the usual Async
4) Usable with smart phones/iDevices (through CCK)
5) Class A DAC/preamp stage with choice of fixed line-level and variable output for the DAC section (RCA output)
6) Class AB Amplification, 400mW(32Ω), (whether it will have a gain switch or some feature is yet to be released)
7) 4800 mAh battery (around 10-14 hours portable usage) and also features a USB A port at its side to charge devices when not active for audio use. Charging and Data via USB B
8) A “Turbo” gain mode which outputs 4000mW(16Ω) and 1000mW(64Ω) and which they also claim drive the HE-6 with relative ease and the AKG K1000 (but not as much)
9) Just announced: 3.5mm analog input for standalone amplifier usage
All these are possible through some complex and delicate power system control chip (I don’t even know anymore). The potentiometer isn’t in the analog domain but controls power regulation instead so it’s not technically in the signal path for greater purity and also for the variable DAC output. Lastly, iFi mentioned that this no longer needs a separate PSU such as the iUSB power. There are still more features to be released but again, they wouldn’t matter if this didn’t sound any good. For those who who don’t mind lugging around a CLAS rig (myself included) I think we have a challenger.
Cheers
Marc
I think this final feature announcement by iFi deserves a post of its own. iFi iDSD Micro is the first ever DAC to all feature Octa-DSD512, PCM768kHz, and 2xDXD. Headfonia, please review this. Maybe it doesn’t sound as good as it sounds (see what I did there?). One last claim that iFi is making is that it’s “Bit-Perfect” filter option, once chosen, has the sound of vinyl-done-right. It has something to do with very near perfect impulse response instead of the “Standard” filter with a near perfect sine wave which iFi suggests to be used for the measurement freaks.
Alton Britt
You guys are great! I hope someone will help me with my present dilemma! I have the Beyer DT990 pro/250 and am very satisfied with them. I want to get one of the following headphones in addition:
1. Grado SR80E—new model for $99.00
2. Beyer DT770 Pro/32—used for $125.00
I am aware that the Grado new E model is open and that the 770 is closed, neither of those matter, I don’t think; that’s where you come into play!
First, will there be enough difference in the Beyers that I would enjoy the difference?
Secondly, I’ve heard that the Grados E series is much improved, and would I enjoy general music listening, movies, with I-Phone and Onkyo 626 sources more than with the 770?
I’m hard of hearing, non-audiophillic, and just enjoy good sounds from good headphones! I have a Fiio E11 presently, with the Schiit Vali and Modi due later this week. Thanks in advance for any help with my decision!!
L.
Hi Alton, I would go for the Grado and get a different sound signature. I have heard good things of the new grado E line.
Alton Britt
Thanks for your reply, L! I’ve just come across a Beyer Custom One in like new condition for $120,00. What about that vs the Grado?
dalethorn
The Grado has a very lively signature with a lot of treble energy, and the Custom One Pro is much less energetic there, having a darker sound. Since you mention hard of hearing, that makes the Grado even more important of a choice.
L.
It’s not just a matter of price, those have completely different sound signatures. Dale explains it well.
Alton Britt
Thanks L & Dale—I’ve ordered the Grado 80E!
Dave Ulrich
It’s intense!
Alton Britt
Dave—Is that good or bad?
Dave Ulrich
That depends on you. There is plenty of treble and the midrange takes no prisoners. It is a sound everyone should hear so they can make up their own minds. Oh, btw, review forthcoming.
Alton Britt
Thanks! I’m anxious to try it out. I had a really hard time choosing between the e80, 770 pro.32, and the Custom One Pro! Appreciate remarks by L & Dale! And you, too, Dave!
Tacoma
Can someone refer me to some solid recommendations for headphones/amplifiers for those with hearing problems? Specifically, what headphone/amplifier might work best for “general” music listening with behind-the-ear hearing aids? Any thoughts are welcome!
L.
I don’t think amplifier has en effect on that. I would make sure to get headphones but larger cups. George probably has a few recommendations or options
George Lai
Headphone cups largest ones are probably the Audeze LCD pads. They also fit headphones like Hifiman HE-400/500, Beyerdynamic DT770 etc, AKG K550/551. Some other headphones with large ear pads include Grado with G-Cush pads, Sennheiser HD700/800.
gerald putra
will there be a review for the Chord Hugo?
L.
As soon as I can get a sample
Yupeng Ji
Looking forward to that!
Miyaichi
Hi,
I need your help, a friend of mine wants that I recommend him a setup.
His budget is 300€ and he hadn’t any experience with high or even mid-class gear.
He prefers more intimate genres like Classical, Jazz and Blues.
So I thought of:
Option 1: “Sansa Clip Zip + Etymotic ER4-PT (+ Amp)”
Option 2: “Ibasso DX50 + an IEM around 100€”
What do you think about it? Would the Sansa Clip Zip need an amp to drive the ER4-PT with the adapter?
Thanks
Craig
I’m wanting to find some great headphones for listening to all sorts of music but can handle watching movies and tv shows on my tablet that’s under $300 any suggestions?
L.
There are a lot of great headphones in that price range. NAD Viso HP50, B&O H6, Beyer T51P, Senn Momentum, Mad Dog, Philips L2, etc
Craig
Would you say all those you mention can handle movies and music?
L.
Of course, all great headphones
dalethorn
Yes – all are full-fidelity headphones.
Nick Bakis
I just recently purchased a pair of the HiFiMAN HE-400’s after extensive research and limited budget. Although, I am very pleased with my choice, I feel I may have jumped the gun with my amp decision, which is still on the way. I chose the Fiio E17, before running into the reviews here. I seen it was a choice, but was it wise seeing as I could’ve afforded a bit more higher of a purchase? Awesome site, by the way. Will be visiting often.
dalethorn
The E17 is a good amp and a real bargain for the price. But, I prefer amps with volume knobs so I can adjust the volume quickly without being distracted.
Nick Bakis
As do I. I’m not dissatisfied with the choice, seeing as it was suggested, it’s a dac+amp combo, and it was a good bit cheaper than what I had in mind. Are there any decent analog controlled (preferably on the portable side of things) dac+amp combos?
Dave Ulrich
Well, I don’t think I have ever enjoyed the HE-400 more than with the Fiio e9k.
Gabriel Ross
Mike and Lieven, Proud owner of the HP-A4. Will it work well with JH13 Pro’s? I now have GR07MK2’s.
[ I just got my L2’s this month, I’m in PRaT heaven]. You guys have helped me hear my music, like never before. Thanks always.
L.
Thanks Gabriel. I do not have the HP-A4, I couldn’t help you, sorry
Gabriel Ross
Thanks anyway. Is a freqphase review coming?
L.
freqphase as in?
ohm image
Freqphase is Jerry Harvey’s updated JHPro line. Good question Gabriel.
L.
To me freqphase is the frequency phase, unless it’s written with a capital F and why not put the JH upfront
😉
L.
And you can try getting one if you’re up for it
dalethorn
Just got the K812 yesterday – very bright, and a huge peak at 4 khz. I can understand now what the negative reviews are all about. I don’t think it’s as good as the T1, even with tweaking.
lowbies
Hello..please help me deciding which amp I will use for my ocharaku kuro..my setup : iphone 4s + fostex hp-p1. My goals are making my kuro to have little more bass impact (not overpowered one) and adding more resolution + 3D sense of space. My option right now are fostex hp-v1, alo continental, pico slim, portaphile 624/micro or maybe vorzuge ii? I didnt like super dark amp like alo national because it’s smoothened the kuro’s treble too much..yes I’m a treblehead btw 😛 thank you..
Jort Ruhof
I love your website, I’ve been surfing on it everyday since I discovered it a couple of weeks ago. please allow me a suggestion:
A “Latest reviews” tab on the homepage would make your site the ultimate headphone website to perfection. It will probably be the tab every reader will click on. And it also will makes readers with to less time to read through the whole website return to your site every week. Keep up the good work!
L.
Thanks. We call that the homepage, it has the latest reviews in chronological order. Most recent on top
Mark Sloane
Hey how do the new portable amps like the Cypher Labs Theorem or Duet stack up to desktop amps? Say something in the budget to midfi range like the Schiit products? The portable aspect is really great and I’m willing to spend a bit extra for the convenience factor but not if I’m sacrificing too much sound quality. This is for my Audeze LCD-X. Thanks for your help.
Mark Sloane
Hey how do the new portable amps like the Cypher Labs Theorem or Duet stack up to desktop amps? Say something in the budget to midfi range like the Schiit products? The portable aspect is really great and I’m willing to spend a bit extra for the convenience factor but not if I’m sacrificing too much sound quality. This is for my Audeze LCD-X. Thanks for your help.
L.
I actually rate them higher than the entry Fi Schiit amps. Theorem and Duet, ALO are often better than those kind of desktop amps. I can fully recommend the Theorem. you will LOVE it
Guest
Oh yes, Id also like something portable..
Miles Jason Romain
I have a pair of Sennheiser hd 439 and I like a balanced or warm sound. Warm without the syrupy sound. What would you say is the best sound around $300 ?
Miles Jason Romain
Oh yes, Id like something portable…
L.
Have you considered IEMS? Try the Senn Momentum
Miles Jason Romain
Sorry I didn’t specify what I was looking for. I’m looking for a portable dap like an X3 or amp.
L.
DX50/X3/X1
Miles Jason Romain
Thank you. I did listen to the Senn Momentum
the other day. I liked everything about them except they aren’t that comfortable.
dalethorn
My current favorite is the Soundmagic HP150, only $200, and it’s very balanced and detailed.
Miles Jason Romain
Nice, thanks.
Miles Jason Romain
But I do like those Soundmagic HP150.
Guest
Nice thanks
Nat PML
L, I do need your help !
My desktop amplifier is an Oppo HA-1, with an ESS 9018 inside. I love it.
I thought the iBasso DX90 would have the same kind of sound, so I bought one for my night listening sessions.
Unfortunately, it’s too harsh and dry for me (I think it’s a fantastic value tough, just not the one for me), I’m very sensitive to trebles, I like them, but they must not be agressive at all (the “sssss” that sometimes come out of that chip makes me feel like razor blades are sent to my eardrums). Compared to the Sony NWZ-ZX1, I think it lacks life, and emotions (and if I find the ZX1 very pleasing, it’s not the perfect sound for me neither).
The only way I can appreciate the DX90, despite all its many good points, it’s with the Fostex HP-V1 + DT770/32, but oddly, I don’t like it with my other headphones and this amp, even darker ones, like HD650.
I’m going to sell it (or keep it to use its coaxial out), and try to find something to replace it. It’s not easy, as I’m unexperienced. I don’t really know what to expect from an AKM, TI or Wolfson chip.
Considering the little I know about my taste (deeply in love with : Fostex HP-V1, DT770/AE, HD650, HD700, and the polite implementation of the Sabre chip in Oppo’s amp), and considering you probably know the DX90’s sound, as you may be preparing the review, do you think these can be right for me :
– iPod + Theorem 720 (I’m afraid bass won’t suit me as you mentionned in your review some people may think it lacks bass, and though I mostly listen to classical, I like when things rumble when they should) ?
– iPod + CLAS (so I can use my beloved Fostex) ?
– HifiMan 802 ? (I know the 901 could sound like the Oppo, but I’d like to discover something else)
If you tell me I need all of them … I will understand (it’s awful, I almost hope you will ;-P). These are budget compatible, not the AK240, because I want to buy a tube amp soon (I read the WA7 is like the HP-V1, so I can’t wait to read your review).
I’m sorry for the very long text that will waste some of your time. I’m at the beginning of my trip, and I don’t have a clear idea of what I need yet. I’m also sorry in advance, I’m going to ask another question now, under the DT770 review. Please be aware that I am quite ashamed.
L.
I wouldn’t say the Theorem lacks bass, I actually love it’s bass. so either that ot the CLAS & Fostex should be good man
genedel
Hi- I really like the Soloist SL amp sound. Are there any higher end amps you can recommend that have the same general sound signature? I would love to get something similar but with a thicker “larger” sound.
L.
Violectric?
genedel
the Vio house sound just isn’t for me. Maybe the big brother Soloist or Conductor would be the way to go, but I can’t get a feel from the reviews if the gains are worth the price increase…
alateralus88
hi, very noob question… but here goes.
i was recently checking stuff on amazon and came across ibasso dx90- which in turn led me to this whole world of reference dap and portable balance system or amps. i would like to get something to enhance my music experience and although i have an extensive music collection i stopped collecting since i have no spotify. so here are my questions
1. if I’m going to be using spotify mainly- is it even worth getting any of these or it will not make much difference
2. is there much difference between an amp and reference dap? i mainly use my iPhone/pod/computer for music. would there be better quality if i get the reference dap like ak stuff or ibasso stuff? which brand should i try- in a range of $400-700 (would not like to go in the thousands with my first experience)
thanks in advance
L.
Spotify is no good to you when looking at DAPs. You have 2 choices. Go the Cypherlabs route and keep your ipod or go for a DAP: ibasso DX50, DX90. Fiio X1/X3/X5, or the AKs or the Hifiman. But those are all above your budget. You could go for a second hand AK or one of the Fiio Daps to start. Be aware that these DAPs are good for iems if you’re not using an external amp for full sized headphones
alateralus88
great thats what i thought the dx90 and some of the fiio fit the budget but i dunno if i well get much out it since i mainly use music streams. so I’m assuming an amp would be the best way to go. I’ve been looking at this webpage trying to find out what a good one is– are the cypher labs the better ones (piccollo?). i was looking at the international (- from ALO,i think it is called)
my real hesitation, is that there are so many options that i dunno what a good one is?
thanks for the response
L.
the “problem” is a lot of amps are good but people just tend to go for the new ones, like the Picollo for IEMs. the ALO amps are usually very good too.
dalethorn
The FiiO X5 should be a really good value. The reference DAP is for convenience, having everything in one piece. That convenience can be extremely important to some people’s enjoyment when traveling or walking around. But it also freezes everything into one unit – the user interface, the storage for music, the DAC, amp, etc.
DTSxJP
Hello, I have a question.
I plan on ordering the iPod Classic 7th Generation and the Beyerdynamic DT770 250 Ohms. The only problem is that I’m having a hard time figuring out which amplifier to purchase, ALO audio The National or the JDS Labs C5. Remind you that all my music that will be played on the iPod will be AIFF files. Thanks for your time and help.
L.
Why do you want the 250Ohm version? Why not get the 32Ohm version and skip the amp.
File format has no influence on your amp as you’re not using a DAC in between
DTSxJP
Why? I prefer a coiled cable.
L.
Ah
DTSxJP
So which amplifier is better? The National or C5?
DTSxJP
So which one is better? ALO audio The National or JDS Labs C5?
L.
I think the National
DTSxJP
Thanks. Could you explain more why you would pick the national over the c5?
L.
It’s character and SQ
DTSxJP
Thanks! Where can I purchase a new National in the color silver here in America? I don’t see it listed on ALO audio website anymore.
John123John
Hi Headfonia,
I haven’t been on in a while so maybe i didn’t get the memo but is Mike … gone? Or is he just dedicating his time to the store?
I’m still waiting on the next HD650 review ^^ I think we’re on number 4!
L.
Yes Mike sort of is gone. He’s concentrating on his stores in Jakarta while I am doing the Review Website with Nathan. There was no official communication about it 😉
Oh we are very much doing another HD650 review in the Back To The Future Series… Good huh.
Long Live the King!
Jonathan Darsigny
Hey guys, is the buyer’s guide being updated frequently or is it getting modified at a given time every year? I’m looking to buy some Mr.Speakers Alpha Dog’s and need a desktop amplifier and a DAC (not interested in portable solutions at all). Aside from portable amps/dacs combos, there seems to be a lack of budget amps and dacs that would do the job. According to your guide, my best bet would be a Schiit Asgard-2 but I’d rather look at alternatives due to Schiit having had some controversy in the past. Thanks for your website, always a pleasure to read!
L.
It needs an update badly but I just can’t find the time. Sorry
Your Face
Hi, I was wondering if you could give some recommendations for a Preamp and DAC for a set of powered speakers for my desktop (Yamaha HS7s, I will most likely be adding the HS8S in the near future as well). I would like to keep everything under $1,000 USD but if I have to spend a bit more for something that is truly worth it then I’ll be willing to do so. At the moment I’m looking at the Schiit Asgard 2 as a preamp and the Bifrost DAC, do you think these would be a good buy or is there something better I should be considering?
That being said, I’m a bit worried about noise caused by other components in my computer and the computer itself, so I was wondering should I be looking for something with balanced inputs/outputs instead? If so, what would recommend?
Lastly, the motherboard of my computer and my soundcard (Asus Xonar Essence STX) both have SPIDF out, should I be using these as outputs? Or, instead, should I forget about them completely and directly connect the DAC to my computer via USB?
dalethorn
You really should try the SPDIF and USB both, even if theory says the SPDIF should be better. You should keep digital cables short to minimize problems, even though the DAC cleans up most of those. But analog cables following the DAC are where losses really build up, since it’s not just cables – it’s the DAC output wiring and jacks, the cables and their terminators, and the amp’s input wiring and jacks. That’s a lot of places for problems to creep in, as simple as it looks.
L.
I have no idea about preamps for speakers, sorry
Florian GERARD
Hello
Lieven did you get the cayin c5 amp to test ?! I’m curious because reviews found comparing it to rsa amps…
L.
Nope, nothing
dalethorn
I bought a Beats Solo2 (long story), and while it has the expected limitations in its $200 price class, it’s a whole new quality game for Beats, should the rest of their range be upgraded commensurately. Unknown at this point is whether it’s durable – some great looking headphones I’ve had have fallen apart after a few months (hint: Bose QC2). So this Solo2 won’t challenge any mid-fi/hi-fi headphones, just a FYI.
L.
not even mid fi? I’m surprised as Tyll liked it and some other people too.
dalethorn
It’s easy to like – I like it. But there are three problems. Some of those are related. There’s an upper bass emphasis, which if you have tracks that would sound boomy with that emphasis, they do sound boomy. I have a lot of those. That bass also obscures the mids a bit, but not as much as the (don’t want to say – famous headphone). The lower bass sounds weak with that upper bass emphasis. There’s a strong emphasis at 1.5 khz and a steep rolloff above 11 khz. Problem is, the big 1.5k emphasis tends to make the high treble above 11k sound even more recessed. I found when I pushed down the 1.5k peak, the upper highs were more apparent, but with the Dark Side of the Moon SACD for example which has a lot of HF content above 10k, you can really tell what’s missing with the Solo2. My sense is that very few users will have the option to minimize that 1.5 khz emphasis, and will hear the upper highs as very weak, for critical listening anyway.
L.
Doesn’t sound like I have to put it on my “To listen to” list
dalethorn
Not really. Unless you’re really committed to Beats, in which case you might find it very exciting. You know what’s funny – I’m wondering who would have more anxiety about new Beats models – Innerfidelity, wondering what might happen with their following if they find too many really good Beats headphones, or Beats, wondering what might happen with their following if they acquire a reputation for making hi-fi gear, which is a much narrower market than they sell to now.
L.
Interesting reasoning
dalethorn
Got my first tube/valve headphone amp for at-home use, the Bravo Ocean – $85 USD from Massdrop. The amps I compared to were small battery-operated solid state that sell for $400 and $500. Comparing the SS amps to the Bravo Ocean was like comparing a good color photo to the same photo in a better print, with an appearance of greater depth. Not the kind of improvement where colors are smeared or over-saturated, or that look fake in any respect, just a good print compared to a better print that looks more real. I thought the Bravo sounded very good after a few hours of warmup on and off, but that’s all – just very good. Then going back to the best SS amp, it was like some of the life left the music. I listened to HF tones up to 15 khz (faint for me), but didn’t hear a significant difference in strength. I expected the tube amp to have less transient detail, especially at the low price, but it sounded every bit as detailed as the SS amps. The bass gave much the same impression as everything else. Maybe there’s some sonic trick here, but I don’t find any indication in the design, and the soundstage etc. is very natural on all tracks I played. Now I wonder how long that tube will last before the sound degrades perceptibly.
L.
I have a Bravo somewhere. If I remember well that’s a hybrid and it didn’t really have a real tube sound, it’s more Solid sound like, unless you mod it (and there are a lot of people who do the craziest things to them)
dalethorn
They make hybrids, but the Ocean is listed as a pure class A tube amp – no opamps or IC’s. Somewhere in their booklet or site they also mention that the inputs and outputs are through the tube, and the tube has some kind of dual function.
L.
I will try to find mine
Florian GERARD
Hello
i like this small thing but modded 😉 otherwise it doesnt sound very good…
1 is modded with linear power supply, JLH power ripple board, and all the good mods from Solderdude (rockgrotto proboards) RCA tube
2d is modded without linear power supply but all the goodies….;-))) black electrode RCA tube.
All are upgraded NICHICON FINE GOLD caps and KW for power supply….
Florian GERARD
more pics
dalethorn
This looks nothing like my Bravo Ocean, even with the mods removed. The central tube is the only similarity.
dalethorn
I assume there are variations, since other Bravo amps are made to be modded. The Bravo Ocean I have makes the Portaphile micro sound flat (in the sense of slightly lifeless), it makes the very good Decware Zen Head sound just as flat, and the FiiO E07k sounds, well, lifeless. This is new production, since stock ran out before the latest Massdrop order.
Nickjan Glas
hello,
I was wondering if anybody has some experience with Musical Fidelity gear. They have quite a history and line-up of headphone amplifiers and DAC’s, which seem to be very nice priced, compared to their other stuff. But I don’t see much second hand or reviews about them. Didn’t found any here. Since I have found this site, I rarely use any other review site. So I was wondering if there is a reason they don’t show up or it is just coincidence. And if anybody has any experience with them.
thanks
dalethorn
I was interested in the MF V90-HPA, and also the MF-100 headphone, but somehow never got around to ordering them. Maybe I will in the near future.
Nickjan Glas
That would be interesting to hear about. I tried out lots of cool amps on canjam and hope I can soon audition the MF M1 HPA.
Daniel Ben
Hello, I’m using Beyer DT 990 250 Ohm Pro’s and was wondering between the Schiit Magni/FiiO E10k which would be best? Thanks.
Headfonia_L.
No idea about the Schiit, sorry
Itzik Ovadia
Hello,
I am thinking of buying new, even high end, headphones. I am a newby regarding headphones models, features and tech info but I know I do seek for portable (not for running/gym), comfortable and durable headphones, that can “deal” with most music genres and movies and that could prove as good investment.
I have been considering of buying the Sennheiser Momentum over ear headphones and I wish to know if they are suitable for my needs.
Thanks in advance,
Itzik.
Headfonia_L.
They could be but I’d suggest something like the B&O H6, Soundmagic HP100/150, Beyerdynamic DT770 32
dalethorn
I second this suggestion!
Nickjan Glas
As for the H6, I also watch movies with them. great detail depth. voices come out very natural. I would (as I assume everybody on this forum would) advise an amp (dac/amp if you use pc). it will greatly enhance bass impact especially with movies.
Nickjan Glas
More a remark than a question, but I just saw an announcement that Marantz is bringing out the HD DAC1; their first headphone amp. I am curious.
dalethorn
Massdrop now has the CEntrance DACMini CX with some impedance and other options for $400 USD – half price.
riodgarp
hi, sorry to asking this question again from facebook, I want to know if hidizs ap100 has more stable upgraded fw this year? and can it used as external dac with using coax cable ?
Vaibhav Pisal
hi guys,
I am budgeting $500-600 for next dac/amp combo upgrade. I have a audinst hud mini that can serve as a dac (consider it like fiio e10). my question is should I invest all in amp or an amp-dac combo for best sound? mainly I am looking for biggest sound with as many instrument layers in mix as possible. I will be pairing low impedence dynamics like akg k550 and possibly shure srh1840 with it. for dac-amp combos, I am looking at pan am, ifi idsd, fostex hp a4. for amps (I will pair it with audinst hud mini) maybe lake people g109, graham slee solo srg etc.
dalethorn
My main concern in deciding between a one box DAC/amp and separates is the tradeoff between the amount of improvement in getting the best possible DAC and amp separately**, and having output wiring and connectors in the DAC and input wiring and connectors in the amp and interconnect cables between them, all of which could negate the improvements from having separates.
**And there’s the concern that the separate amp and DAC have great synergy with each other as well as the headphone.
Vaibhav Pisal
I also have these concerns. but in all dac-amp reviews I have, reviewer seems to prefer to take signal from line out to different high end amp.
hud mini I have is entry level. I also will be using supplied interconnects. Power supply is also not best where I live.
is there a consensus if I should invest in dac-amp or all in amp? to get biggest sound possible with most instrument layers.
Patrick Michael Graf Murray
btw Dale read you review on the K812, good stuff as always man. I will write you via youtube, but just wanted to say thanks for the info and if you had any suggestions on a headphone that is open under a 1000 ?
Headfonia_L.
Sennheiser HD600/HD650 or a second hand LCD2 😉
dalethorn
I hadn’t thought of planars, but for anyone who wants to jump in, there’s a lot to explore.
Patrick Michael Graf Murray
Yes I am kind of wanting to try the Planar open back phone as my main open phone eventually that is why I was asking. Thanks though guys. I have read that the LCD 2s pair quite nicely with the PanAm but not a 100% since I have never heard them. I know the ZMF X Vibro’s paired with the GeekOut 1000 is the best thing I have listened to in a lot of ways, next to the PanAm with the HD6xx
dalethorn
I think of the Vibro as one end of the ultimate T50rp mod, the other end the Alpha Dog. But even though I haven’t heard the HE-560, I’d expect it to be a big step up from the T50rp mods. That’s the way I’d go.
Patrick Michael Graf Murray
Yeah I am hoping so, I am kind of up in the air with the upgrade. I am going sell my headphones and gear not all of it just the one’s I can live without. What is left over I will use after fixing car to buy the HE560s or the LCD 2’s I just do not know which version of the 2’s I would prefer the revision 1 or 2 or with the fazor. I like an open sound stage so I may get the HE560 and do the mod and be done with it. I will let you know anyways, plus I heard the He560s sounds very good from the Geekout 1000. What headphone are you using as your current open desktop hp?
EDIT: Did you get to try the ZMF X Vibros yet? I really think you may enjoy them Dale just from what you have said you have enjoyed in videos and other reivews I have read from you. I really reallly like the lows on the Geek out 1000 with them and the mids are nice and detailed with intimacy. The lows sound so good with that combo.
dalethorn
I got the ZMF and Mad Dog on loan from a friend, who has since dropped from sight. I bought the Alpha Dog and sold it. The bass was workable, especially with the adjustment they build in. But the treble took a nosedive before 10 khz, and I didn’t have a way to flatten it out to minimum treble strength that was still smooth. I use the AKG K812 mostly, and also the Beyer T90 when listening in bed. I also love the K712 although I don’t use it much. Ironically, the K712 plays almost perfectly right out of the box (with some burn-in of course), but I use a fairly hefty treble cut with the T90 and K812. Both of those can be crispy-bright with a lot of pop or metal, but probably play OK with most classical and jazz. I listen to everything, so I aim for lower treble and enjoy all genres that way. I have a cheap tube amp, but I really need to get a better amp, maybe the Woo WA7. If I get another planar, I’ll aim for the HE-560 or similar, since I’m satisfied to recommend the Mad Dog and ZMF Vibro to other users. But with that planar, i.e. the 560 etc. – my requirement is to get a very stable version that I can recommend to many people. The LCD series would be more of a hobby interest I think, and that’s not where I’m headed (too many projects to work with all those planar versions).
Patrick Michael Graf Murray
O Nice, I did not know you had tried the ZMF X Vibro, I knew about the ZMF Mastered v1 or v2 you had a review on I believe, and has said that is not the finalized version or that it needed some tuning up. I cannt quite recall. I will let you know with what I decide on when the time comes and also how i think they paired with what I am using for an Amp.
dalethorn
The ZMF series or the Mad Dog versions are all OK to me. The minor differences are easy enough for me to accomodate. The Alpha Dog was the big surprise, since it was a major break from the sound established by the Mad Dog series, and the treble just didn’t fit I thought. The target sound that they were going after with the Alpha Dog would be better realized in something like the HE560.
Patrick Michael Graf Murray
I currently own the HD600, I am looking for something to upgrade to from that. The LCD 2? or the 2.2? I am only worried about comfort with that headphone becasue of the weight not sure about comfort. I was looking at the HD700/800 used, the HE-560/400i or the LCD2/2,2
Headfonia_L.
LCD 2.1 😉 HE560 is excellent too. HD700 and HD800 too, tough choices to make! I wasn’t in love with the HE400i
Patrick Michael Graf Murray
Thanks for the write back so quickly. I am in between the He-560 against teh LCD2 and the HD800. I like a large genre of music a lot of alternative/progressive/indie/folk some classical and soundtrack pieces. I am leaning towards the HE560 to the LCD 2. but I see a lot of them on sale in the forums but I believe they are the 2.2 or jsut strictly the LCD2 have not seen teh 2.1
Headfonia_L.
I have a 2.1 I doubt the owners will ever sell it, to me it’s the best 2 they made.
I think LCD2 or HE560 would be great. I’d go for the LCD still
Patrick Michael Graf Murray
I know the weight is heavy, bit how is comfort and clamping force to you? I mean the ZMF is wooden cups and decently heafty but the leather band on top keeps weight distributed evenly and is very comfortable with the alpha pads. That was the main thing I am worried about after how they sound, and if they play nicely with my amps
Headfonia_L.
I don’t find the LCD2 heavy.. the LCD XC, that’s another story
dalethorn
I haven’t had the HD700, but check the review and comments here, and given some of the recent discounts, it might be the best deal under $1k USD.
Patrick Michael Graf Murray
Hello I just wanted to say that I own the PanAm and am using the GeekOUt 1000, now as far as chemistry with your phones I am not certain, but I can say that the GO 1000 has to be among the better 300$ one can spend on a DAC/Amp(that can power anything from 600ohm to orthos depending on what you have. But still sound good with the lower impedance phones like the T70p. I also can say the PanAm is a great option especially if you like to try different tubes, only problem is if you want to use another amp with it you will have to use headphone jack. Now the HPA 4 is suppose to be another acceptional buy, and having the HPA 3 the DAC was exceptionally good, and the amp decent. I have read the HPA 4 is even better. I have heard and only heard that the IFI Micro Idsd is exceptional, but I would say if you want solid state and a small footprint try the Geekout 1000 from Lhlabs. Just my suggestion though, and if you want tubes go with the PanAm but go with it quick because it is on sale and will be discontinued.
Vaibhav Pisal
so you think I should get a dac-amp instead amp only?
DTSxJP
I have a question, which IEM is better? Shure SE215 or Audio Technica ATH-IM50?
Headfonia_L.
Shure is a classic. Both good but I’d go for the 215
DTSxJP
Thanks, why would you pick SE215 over the ATH-IM50?
Nickjan Glas
hey guys , I was just wondering while browsing for all the good stuff.As leading headphone review site, is there any chance Marantz will let you review their first ever headphone amplifier?
dalethorn
The Marantz blurb looks good and the $800 price isn’t bad if it’s as good as their blurb says. So far I don’t see a real tech review.
Headfonia_L.
Do you have a contact?
Nickjan Glas
Unfortunately not. I hoped you might have or be able to persuade them.
Headfonia_L.
I’ll put it on my to do list
Nickjan Glas
and that’s, I m sure, a big list. Thanks
Nickjan Glas
hey guys, I have another question regarding DAP’s. Most of them I see use micro sd cards. These come in various brands, capacities and speeds. Is there a recommended speed and or brand to these cards or will the basic cards do just fine for music files?
thanks
Headfonia_L.
I stick to Sandisk and Samsung, actually mostly Samsung. Class 6 minimum
Nickjan Glas
thanks that helps.
Otaku Faisal
but it be better if you use UHS-I one
dalethorn
Both of my Sandisk 128 gb microSD cards have failed. I copy desktop files to them, put the cards into their rigid plastic holder, then place into wallet. The wallet has internal stiffeners and the card case is stiff, so there’s no stress on the little cards, but they failed anyway. The interesting failure is
that the cards aren’t dead, but can’t be formatted by any of my 3 cameras (2014 models by Panasonic and Leica), and my Windows PC can format them only as 30 mb partitions. Same with my Macbook Pro Retina.
I’d advise extreme caution with 128 gb Sandisk microSD cards, or any vendor who sources their chips from the same OEM. The cards worked fine for about 2 weeks each, updating every other day, then eventually failed. The original format is exFAT.
malifact
Hi guys, I read the recent reviews of the Earsonics EM32 and Noble Audio Kaiser 10s. They seem to have similar sound signature, so I was wondering how they compare to each other. Is one superior to the other, or do they have different strengths and weaknesses? Thanks
malifact
Hi guys, I read the recent reviews of the Earsonics EM32 and Noble Audio Kaiser 10s. They seem to have similar sound signature, so I was wondering how they compare to each other. Is one superior to the other, or do they have different strengths and weaknesses? Thanks
Headfonia_L.
I suggest asking Nathan in the Noble or Earsonics review 🙂
arik100
hey, i just got myself a new hd600 and i wanted to know what’s the cheapest amp i can buy for them. i listen mainly to progressive metal (dream theater, opeth etc)
thanks alot
Headfonia_L.
What’s your budget?
arik100
my budget is very limited.
preferably under 100$ ):
arik100
hey my budget is less than 100$
Alfred Tolentino
Greetings. How are the Sony MDR-1A compared to the Sennheiser Momentum on-ear ( taking out the fact one in Over ear and on is On ear) in terms of sound quality?
Little Chicky Hippi
Greetings,
I am owning the Lc2.2 (non fazor) combo with the Pan Am as amp. I am happy with the tonality but sometimes (well most of the time) i wonder where is that unique bass that Audeze is famous for (I used to listen to the LCD2 with Woo22 and thought that wow that was the most unique hp i’ve ever heard but the bass is a little bit bloated and soundstage quite congested)
I am thinking to get a DAC, currently looking at the Concero HD, then feed the signal to the Pan Am. Do you think this upgrade is worth considering? My music of choice is Jazz, Vocal and Acoustic music.
Headfonia_L.
It wont help you get the bass you want. That is one of the issues I have with the PanAm too
Arvee
Ello people,
I really like how a Senn HD650 sounds from a nice high-end amp. And I want to have something similar for portable use. Something like a DAP->cable->earphones minimalist set-up.
What potential rigs would you guys suggest, if any exist?
Headfonia_L.
iBasso DX90 + Cosmic Ears CE6 or if you want cheap: Beyer DX150 / RHA t10i / Senn Momentum
Arvee
CE6, eh. Which one? There’s E and a P.
As for the cheaper options, which of those would you prefer and why?
Thanks!
Headfonia_L.
I think they don’t offer the E anymore
The RHA as it has changeable filters
Swaroop Anil
Hi,
I’m seeking help in getting a pair of earphones and a pair of headphones.
I’m currently using
Klipsch Image S3:
I like the sound but I feel that the mids are suppressed and that the bass is over emphasized. The highs also feel under-extended. The isolation is sufficient. I’d like a little more warmth and wider soundstage. I’m looking for a pair of budget earphones (about 50 to 60$). Preferably with an inline mic and of decent build quality.
Audio Technica ATH SJ11:
I know that this is a very basic pair of headphones but before buying these I tested Sennheiser HD201 which felt very laid back and lacking the “energy” that the SJ11 has. In comparision I felt that the SJ11 has nice warm and full bodied sound which is fun to listen to.The mids highs and lows are all clearly audible however presented. I’m looking to get the Audio Technica ATH-M50x as an upgrade.
I’d like to know if the sound signature and presentation would be similar to that of SJ11. I’m from India and there are no retailers in my locality where I can test a pair.
If there is a better alternative, I’m willing to consider it provided it is in the same price range as the m50x. I’m looking for an all-round performer with a balanced sound with a slight bass emphasis and warm tonal balance and lesser emphasized treble.
Also could someone mention a good store(in US) in the state of California/online to buy this stuff which might give discounts for black friday/thanksgiving.
Thanks in advance
PS: This is my first post regarding audio experience. Hope it made sense.
dalethorn
My only suggestion is, when shopping at the lower price levels (~$50), the sound will vary much more from sample to sample than it does with well-regarded brands and models. So whereas someone with headphone ‘x’ might hear it in a way that sounds good, your sample might be different.
Swaroop Anil
Okay… got the point. Where (brand and price-point) should I start for a more consistent sound? If you could give me options which can be considered a definite upgrade to Klipsch S3, it’d be great.
Just to be clear, I’m not looking for an audiophile grade sound. I’d mostly use this in commute/travel/office. Looking for a full-bodied fun sounding earphone with warm tones and slightly more emphasis on bass and slightly recessed treble.
Durable build quality would definitely help.
dalethorn
For in-ears, I’ve tried 3 different Soundmagics, and all were great, all around $50. The E10 is a good choice.
Udit Agarwal
Hi,
I would like to buy a Full Size Headphone Amp for my Fostex TH600 within
$200-400 which will eliminate or reduce the headphones brightness and
harshness also increase the midrange without compromising Bass.
My DAC is a Creative Sound Blaster ZxR (Burr Brown PCM1794) and my amp is a FiiO E9.
Please suggest me.
Thanks in Advance.
Udit.
dalethorn
If your current amps are working properly, then an amp that eliminates the brightness would not be working correctly. It’s possible that a new amp would give an impression of reduced brightness (which also makes the mids seem enhanced), but unless you are careful to consider each component (source, cable, DAC, cable, amp, headphone, etc.) and how it interacts with the other components, you could be experimenting a lot and getting nowhere. If you switch to a tube/valve amp, even if the brightness quantity stays the same, the harshness is usually less. Usually. But then the bass will change slightly also, and it’s just pure chance whether that will be OK or not.
Udit Agarwal
but what will be the safest amp to experiment with ?
dalethorn
Bottlehead Crack? Buy it finished unless you’re good with building kits. I didn’t see an impedance spec for the 600, but unless it’s a very difficult load it should work.
Udit Agarwal
It is 25ohm and I heard bottlehead can’t run low impedance headphones properly. Is it true?
Headfonia_L.
in general yes even if there are exceptions
Michał Dżingis Błażejewski
Hello Lieven. Sorry for this totally unrelated request, but would you mind answering some of my questions in the ‘Source Recommendation’ topic on this site?
Udit Agarwal
How about the Burson Soloist SL.
Udit Agarwal
How about the Burson Soloist SL and the Audio-GD SA-31?
dalethorn
Not familiar with those. But since you asked to reduce brightness and harshness, I suggested tubes. It’s possible the SL or SA31 would be perfect for the headphone, but again, they don’t eliminate the perception of brightness.
dalethorn
Progress on the new iPhone 6 Plus: Comparing to the iPhone5, the 6 was more spacious and overall sounded more hi-fi, but it wasn’t enough to convince me that it’s better. But today I compared the iPhone6 alone (with Beyer T51p) to the iPhone6 with the PA2V2 and FiiO E07k (Aux port) amps, and there was no appreciable difference, then I switched to the v-moda Verza DAC/amp, and the iPhone6 won on soundstage, but I’m still not sure of the real difference in quality. I’d say the iPhone6 adds more “air” frequencies above 12 khz or so, which probably contributes to the soundstage. Anyway, the improvement from the older phones plus the increased power for volume makes it much more useful for portable playback.
Rolf-Otto Eriksen
Hello,
I am looking for a headphone amp these days, and I have to alternatives: Since I’m a big fan of Beyerdynamic, the A20 amp is on the list. The also german Violectric V100 is the alternative. From what I have learned, I can’t go wrong with either of them, but I would love to get some qualified views on these two amps, and maybe get some comparisons as well. I currently have both the Beyer DT990, T70 and Custom One Pro. I tend to like the sound to be slightly on the warmer side.
All the best
Rolf-Otto
Headfonia_L.
Technically the V100 is the better amp having more detail, power, detail and sound stage. The A20 has bigger body and more bass and is warmer than the A20.
I like both amps but the best amp for me is the V100
Rolf-Otto Eriksen
Thank you for the reply. I have read your thorough reviews of both amps, so I suspected that you would prefer the v100. Would you recommend to order it with the build-in DAC or is a seperate DAC a better alternative?
Rolf-Otto
Headfonia_L.
The internal dac is only soso, you’re bette roff with something like the HERUS in example
Rolf-Otto Eriksen
Thanks again. I really appreciate your views!
Headfonia_L.
You’re welcome. enjoy
Rolf-Otto Eriksen
I will – sooner rather than later;)
Mark Beasy
Hey guys.
Just wondering how much of a difference your wireless transmitter system will make to the quality of your in ears.. For example, I have the Shure psm 200 monitoring system. I am looking at getting the jh 11s , but I am wondering if it is worth it, seeing as the in ears will only put out what quality the pack is able to give. So, might I be better off upgrading to a better Wireless system first and maybe going for one of the lower priced in ears? Or do you think the quality difference between, for example the jh5s compared to the jh11s, will be able to be heard clearly through the Shure Psm 200 system? And do you guys know anything about the ambience plugs? how do they work?
Thanks guys, much appreciated. If I could get a much info as possible on this, it would be killer as I will probably make my decision off of your reply. Thanks!
Mark
arik100
hey guys
as i’ve asked. i just bought a new pair of hd600. and i need an amplifier to push them.
my budget is less than 100$. second hand is a big choice here.
thanks
Headfonia_L.
Under $100? I’d go for a second hand C421 or C5 from JDSLabs.
arik100
why, it’s really low budget? what would you recommend otherwise?
dalethorn
A FiiO E07k on high gain should drive the HD600 OK. It should sound pretty good in most cases, until you’re ready for a better amp.
Dave Ulrich
I used the HD650 with the e7k, and found it to be quite enjoyable.
arik100
does it matter which kind of music i hear? i will mainly use it for progressive metal (80%) and watching movies (10%) and gaming (10%)
dalethorn
The E07k (or possibly E10k) would be perfect for metal and movie watching. I would never suggest a high-detail headphone and solid state amp for progressive metal – just too sharp on the transients I think – a tube amp is usually better.
Chris Kerr
Hi guys
Wondering if i could get some advice.
I have my Senn HD650s and they current run off my Mac through an Audinst HUD-MX1. I’m looking to upgrade my DAC/Amp to use with the HD650s. Mostly I listen to FLACs, but like many i also use streaming services as well (Pandora One, 320kpbs).
I’ve been thinking about a Schiit, WooAudio or Burson. However in Australia (Melbourne) there is nearly zero opportunity to visit a store and hear these units with my headphones, and as such I wanted to ask your advice on what you feel is the “best” (subjective I know) pairing with these headphones.
Ideally I’m after a small footprint, combined DAC/Amp as this unit will sit on my desk at work. However, I’m also after something that will wow me.
Any advice would be awesome!
Thanks!
dalethorn
The best improvements often don’t wow at first listen, so I don’t recommend store auditions or meets as good places to hear the subtle things that make a difference. After all, if the differences weren’t subtle, I’d be worried what’s wrong to make such a difference. Big differences, from impedance mismatches, or different music players, you should be able to sort out before you get down to the finer details.
Chris Kerr
Yep understand, though in all honesty I trust my ears more than I trust specs a
dalethorn
I see a lot of DAC/amps I like and wish I could buy a few of them, to compare at leisure. Woo, Fostex, Bakoon to name a few brands. I wouldn’t suggest a specific amp, but what I would suggest is to get the best DAC-plus-amp you can afford in one box. With separates, you have output wiring and jacks on the DAC, input wiring and jacks on the amp, and interconnect cables. The slight improvement you’d get (theoretically at least) with the best of separates will almost certainly be lost with all those extra wires, jacks, and cables. That’s assuming the combo DAC/amp is designed to minimize the signal path as much as possible. But if you’re willing to commit to a maximum amount, like $1000 for example, I’ll do some investigation at that dollar level, since I’ll need that info myself in the near future. Another thing I find very important when it’s available is an amp that either contains a rechargeable battery, or runs from a DC box that plugs into the AC mains. You can replace those DC boxes (“wall warts” they’re called sometimes) with battery packs, even if you have to string several together to get the proper voltage. Running isolated from AC mains eliminates crud you can actually hear in a lot of cases.
Chris Kerr
Really useful advice, thanks mate! I guess the other thing I need to decide on is solid state vs tube. Having read a few reviews by Mike and others, it feels to me that the HD650 might be better paired with a tube. The Woo Fireflies are looking tempting right now, though I like the idea of the Burson Conductor.
dalethorn
That’s definitely the right idea. The WA7 needs attention to tube selection, and then there’s the issue of gradual sound degradation to be monitored, for tube replacement. The WA7 has a power supply option that adds more money, but whatever the case, some kind of AC mains filtering is a good idea for both amps.
Syakir Zainol
Hi,
I would like an opinion. I own an HD 518 on an Olympus 2. Will a change of the headphone cable benefit in any noticable way?
Thanks.
Headfonia_L.
A little, I’d look for a change in the dac/amp section first
Zoltan
Hello,
A question for the guys at Headfonia: what is the best dac/preamp/amp all-in-one unit on the market right now? I am presently looking at the Burson Conductor, Fostex HP-A8C and a few others, but I need some expert opinion. I know all have their strengths and weaknesses, better dac, weaker headphone amp and vice versa, but if you look at the overall package?
Thanks in advance!
Headfonia_L.
That’s an almost imposible to answer question. There is the McIntosh, the Meridian Prime, HP-A8, and soooo many more. Personally right now, I look forward to hearing the McIntosh
http://www.mcintoshlabs.com/us/Products/pages/ProductDetails.aspx?CatId=headphoneamplifiers&ProductId=MHA100
Douglas Chee
Hello, I’m really curious about the 627 and 627x. May I know what the differences are in terms of
1. Staging
2. Tonality
3. Driving power
Thank you so much for your help!
Regards
Douglas
Jim Harris
Because Spotify is so convenient, I’ve given up on owning music. I’m researching the best way to get the most out of Spotify’s sound quality. I’ve been reading your site researching the Fiio E17 Alpen wondering if a DAC/amp would improve Spotify that much on an iPhone, or does it require uncompressed FLAC files to really value the extra hardware?
dalethorn
If you’re driving a headphone on an iPhone 6-plus, and there’s sufficient headroom for good dynamics, it won’t improve with an E17. That assumes the streaming is processed by the same hardware for best sound like the internal music player does. If using an iPhone 5 and older then the amp *will* improve the sound quality, if attached through the LOD.
BTW, the iPhone can’t use the E17 DAC.
Julius Roberts
I am looking for some advice as am looking to upgrade to some proper headphones… portability is an important factor, HI-Fi sound and great quality. I have been looking at the V-Moda Crossfade M-100, Sennheiser HD650 and the Hifiman HE-400 and was wondering if i was backing up the wrong tree with these.
Dave Ulrich
I can only speak to the HD650 and the HE-400, but neither of those are portable. They are both large, and open backed so they will be leaking all sorts of sound in and out.
Headfonia_L.
Would be great to know what you will be using it with and in what conditions
Róbert Pálovics
Hello Everyone! I am using a Sennheiser HD 200 for almost 10 years. I had some other portables, but none of them were as good as these entry-level DJ headphones. I am thinking to buy a Sennheiser HD 25 Aluminium now. Do you think they worth it? How are they compared to the HD 200? Do you have any recommendation for DACs that are best with these models? Thanks for all your help!
Róbert Pálovics
Hello Everyone! I was mainly using the Sennheiser HD 200 entry-level DJ headphones as my all-around headphones for nearly 10 years. Now I am thinking to update to the Sennheiser HD 25 Aluminium. Do you think they worth it? Do you have any DAC recommendations for these Sennheiser models? Thank you for all your help.
Headfonia_L.
Don’t really know the HD200. I would not go for the HD25 ALU, I’d personally go for the Beyerdynamic T51P is you want an onear
dalethorn
The HD25 Aluminum will give you more of the DJ experience with a harder hitting bass and so on, while the more “polite” T51p would go a very different direction.
Miles Jason Romain
Is the Ibasso DX90 the best bang for $350 Canadian ?
Headfonia_L.
it sure is!
Buzz Node
Hello! Okay, I may have jumped the gun and screwed myself a bit here. I ordered the FiiO E09k / E17 combo and am now looking for some v-shaped sound signature IEMs / headphones that the combo won’t kill. I primarily listen to rock / classic rock.
I was hoping to purchase some IEMs under $500. If there’s nothing suitable IEM-wise then I’ll go ahead and get closed over-ear headphones. I’ll need closed because I’m planning on using the amp / dac combo at work. I’ve got an AudioQuest Dragonfly that I’ll be using at home to switch between my MacBook and Mac.
Any insight would be greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance!
Sebastian Kascha
Hello! I’m searching for an in ear that comes close to the sound of the RHA MA750. They just don’t fit comfortably into my ears. I’d like to have this clear sound with a good but not to heavy bass. I already tried the t-JAYS three, but they also don’t fit perfectly and have a bit too much bass. Untill now i was using the Sennheiser MM70i, but i want a clearer sound and a punchier bass, just like the sound of the RHA MA750. I thought about the SHURE SE215, the B&W C5 Series 2 and the Master&Dynamic ME01 or ME03. What do you think comes closest to the sound i want? Do you have any other in ears in mind? Thanks for your help!
dalethorn
Try any different eartips? I know the 750 comes with a lot, but maybe Comply or some other brand would fit better?
Sebastian Kascha
I don’t think it would be better, it’s more the housing and the angle in which the eartip has to fit into the ear. So what do you think comes closest to the sound of the RHA?
dalethorn
The RHA’s are priced low compared to what I’m used to. I like the B&O H3, but it’s twice the price. Actually I like the Soundmagic’s in the $40 to $80 range, but you’d probably want to pick by the shape and how they insert. Some of the IEMs I’ve heard that sound great tend to fall out of my ears because they go straight in. I don’t like those over-the-ear cables or hooks, so I gravitate toward the kind with a twist in the body – those stay better for me. I’ve tried a couple of Final Audio’s – good, but don’t stay in my ears very well.
Sebastian Kascha
Does anyone else know how the IEMs I mentioned above sound compared to each other? The sound should be clear, but warm and with a nice but not too heavy bass. Thank you!
DTSxJP
Hello, I have a iPod Classic paired with JDS Labs C5 and is looking to upgrade to a amp/dac combo. I’m looking at the Sony PHA-1. How much of an improvement will I hear connected to the iPod compared to the JDS Labs C5?
Headfonia_L.
I use the Cypherlabs CLAS SOLO myself with thei Duet amp and the difference with the stock Classic is huge. I don’t know the Sony well enough though
DTSxJP
I also have another question, I’m also looking at the AK100. Will the AK100 be a better upgrade from the iPod? Also which amp would you pair with it? I was looking at the International+. Are there any amp/dac out there that can bypass the AK100 internal dac?
Headfonia_L.
Unless modded, ,I’d stay away from the old 100. I’m not sure but I don’t think there is
DTSxJP
Okay I’ve decided not to purchase the AK100 and keep my iPod Classic. I’m thinking about going the Cypher Labs route and purchase their Cypher Labs Bundle: Duet + Solo -dB + Balanced Interconnect + Gear Bag. Would that be a good setup?
Also I’m looking at purchasing a new pair of headphones. I mostly listen to Hip-Hop and R&B but I also like Jazz and Rock. I had my eyes on the Beyerdynamic DT770 250 Ohms but have just learned about Audeze LCD-2. Will they be good for my tastes? Or is there another headphone out there you would recommend?
Headfonia_L.
That is a portable setup with desktop quality, you’ll love it. There are so many headphones out there, LCD2 is a very good one
DTSxJP
I just read a couple of reviews about Theorem 720 DAC, is there still a hiss proplem with iems? How does the 720 fair against cypher labs stack?
Headfonia_L.
With some sensitive IEMS the Theorem 720 will hiss yes. I would receommend the solo + Duet or Picollo combo for IEMs
Jinx
Hi guys!
I love music, all sorts of genres but especially EDM. I’m currently using DT770 Pro 250 Ohm along with a Xonar DGX
card on my computer, and I only recently found out that you can get a
better listening experience while using AMP and DAC. Don’t ask me why I
haven’t discovered this before haha. Anyways I’m looking to upgrade all
my gear and I wanna do a big step rather than many small steps – not
that it has to be perfect right away.
I’m
currently listening to music on youtube as they have many EDM channels I
really like and besides that I use Spotify. I know the quality isn’t
the best so when I get new gear I’m gonna upgrade to Premium in order to
reach the 320 kbps that I have read is good. I don’t plan on using FLAC
just yet, maybe later. Before making this thread I’ve spending
countless hours doing alot of research in this area and read tons of
reviews to many different products in order to get a little bit hang of
it before aksing for help. Before I go into detail I want to ask if it’s worth to invest alot of money into gear that I’m gonna play on 320 kbps or less?
(Sorry for my poor writing, but I simply dont know enough about all the terms to use them – hope it’s okay!)
Anyways
as I said I really love EDM and I like bass, but I need to point out
that while I like bass I’m not a complete basshead (If I have understood
the term correctly). I dont want the bass to ruin the song so that vocals can’t be hard simply put.
I’m currently using closed cans but every pair of headphones I’ve been
led toward is open so I dont really know how much of a difference it is,
however I have read people say it is better overall than closed. I also
can’t go out and try any because of depression and heavy anxiety, so my
buy is gonna be based on reviews and your help! 🙂 Regarding priority I guess I can list it like this: 1. Sound quality 2. Bass 3. Comfort 4. Rest.
So as I said I have done alot of research and I’m currently heading towards T90 or the T1 along with the A20 AMP.
I’ve alot of good things about the T90 aswell as T1 however some people
complaint about lacking bass, brightness and treble (dont really know
what the last 2 terms). So I went for a search to find AMP and DAC that
could fix this problem – note that they may be fine for me, but just in
case since I cant test them before buying. I stumpled upon this review
which pretty much sold me the A20 AMP: http://www.headfonia.com/beyers-a20-amp-small-size-big-sound/
This
same guy posted later in comments that the telsa combo with the a20
didn’t really need a DAC, but could use Fiio E10 as an example. I later
found the Fiio E10k since the other one isnt being sold anymore. Also
found Fiio E7k and some others but I honestly have no clue. Do I need a
DAC at all?
Since I like EDM I’ve read people
talking good about LCD-2, HE-400, HE-500 but people say they are too
heavy to use for a long period of time which is my 3. Comfort = skipped.
I then found the HE-560 but I dont know.
Maybe I need someting entirely different than what I’ve posted so far? I dont really know – help! 🙂 My pricerange is probably 1600$ at most. Note that I live in Denmark (EU) so I’m gonna buy from uk amazon or in Denmark.
dalethorn
The T1 and T90 will be a bit light on bass and heavy on treble for EDM and your tastes. Don’t expect any amps to help with that. But the HE560 may be perfect.
Jinx
Can you compare them to the DT770? That way I know for sure it they have too little or not. Also in this review: http://www.headfonia.com/beyers-a20-amp-small-size-big-sound/ He says that the a20 will give extra bass. Also if I use a DAC like Fiio 10k or something similar they have bass boost aswell. Correct me if I’m wrong, I’m new to this but that’s what I’ve read on some reviews.
Also what about the t5p?
dalethorn
Compare them? Which them – the HE560 or the T1/T90? I would expect most desktop systems to thin out the DT770 bass, unless the desktop amp has a lot of power at the headphone impedance (i.e. 500-1000 mw at 250 ohms). But I wouldn’t boost the DT770 bass with a bass boost curve, since that would muddy the bass. I’d use an equalizer such as Foobar or iTunes has, and start by boosting the lowest bass the most, and increase the boost only when the low bass is still detailed and clear. The T5p is my dream headphone – I should have bought it instead of the T1, since the T1 is very bright.
Jinx
Well the DT770 Pro’s are the only headphones I have so if you couldt compare them to the T1/T5p/T90 and maybe also the HE-560 that would give me an idea of what I want. Note that I dont have dac or amp but only Xonar DGX on my desktop and that the DT770 Pro arent the AE. I only just found out that there has been made a new DT770, the AE versoin, and I have read that some pople compare it to the T1 but with more base. I’m gonna read the reviw about it on this site now.
Btw, will the a20 amp work with any beyer headphone or only the tesla ones? Because I’ve looked on the DT 880 and 990 aswell but idk. Really confused about all this.
dalethorn
I can’t do a fully detailed compare here, but in summary, the DT770 is very detailed with an enhanced bass that’s not boomy or muddy – i.e. very good. The T1’s excellence is compromised by excess brightness and a slightly skewed tonality, which responds well to EQ. Same with the T90, but lower fidelity than the T1, even though the tonality is better out of the box. I don’t have the T5p, but my sense is it’s like a DT770 but much higher in fidelity – not bright like the T1/T90, and the mids and bass will greatly improve over the DT770. The DT770ae may sound slightly different, but not enough to make a difference like other headphones. I’m sure the A20 amp with work well with all Beyer full-size headphones. I would highly recommend the T5p first thing, then the A20 later, because the amp won’t be a night-and-day difference like the headphone. Unless your current amp is running out of power.
Jinx
Allright thank you. I’ve done some more research and found these so far:
T5P
TH600
HE-560
Philips Fidelio X2
Philips is alot cheaper than the others so I dont know if it’s fair to compare them but I thought I’d list it anyways. Really confused if HE-560 is good for EMD since people say it cant be compared to HE-400/500.
What do you think of this list?
dalethorn
I would take the T5p for sure. The HE560 bass, or possibly the TH600 bass, might have a more “full” sound being planars, but the high end is where the harmonics and detail are, and the T5p is going to win that. But, if all I could afford was the X2, I could adapt to it easily and enjoy it a lot. It’s a very good quality headphone, and if I needed to balance the lows and highs differently, it wouldn’t be a problem because the sound has been made high quality to begin with. For example, take a typical $50 headphone and try to make it sound like a X2 – you can get close in some respects, but in the end the quality difference will still be obviously in favor of the X2. Going the other direction and comparing the X2 to the planars, I see a difference but not much. The T5p is a bigger difference, especially on the high end. You have to understand whether you want the big Tesla headphone or a planar. Research will help, but I can’t say any more. Amps won’t make a X2 sound like a HE560 or T5p, because those headphones can also use the same amps, most likely.
Jinx
Okay thank you so much 🙂 Really appreciated, one last question.
How is the mid bass on the DT770 compared to t5p? That’s basicly the only thing I’m worried about.
dalethorn
The T5p is a Tesla and the bass detail will be much, much better than the DT770. But I can’t even guess about the bass quantity or strength, since I can’t compare them directly. My T1 was a little bit bass-light, but the T5p is darker than the T1, so that and other factors will determine your perceptions. If I had the T5p here I could do something I’ve done many times before – obtain some tunes that you have and play them on that T5p to see how they sound. But, I probably have enough info and headphone tunings at hand now, that I could make a good guess if you have a couple music track examples that are available for purchase on iTunes. I wouldn’t judge upper treble or ultimate clarity on iTunes’ 256k tracks, but bass is no issue unless I were to pick the wrong mix.
Jinx
Not sure if all are on iTunes but here’s some:
Bon Iver – Babys (Urban Contact’s Summer Soul Remix)
Armin van Buuren presents Gaia – J’ai Envie De Toi
Kozoro & Evence – Lost At Heart (SNR Free)
Giuseppe Ottaviani feat. Amba Shepherd – Lost For Words (On Air mix)
Above & Beyond feat. Zoë Johnston – We’re All We Need
James Hersey – Coming Over (Filous Remix)
Seinabo Sey – Younger (Kygo Remix)
Alex Adair – Make Me Feel Better
Sam Smith – Stay With Me (Throttle Remix)
Bon Iver – Babys (Urban Contact’s Summer Soul Remix)
dalethorn
Looks like a great list – I’ll get back on this later.
Jinx
Great! 🙂
dalethorn
I spent some time on iTunes today just trying to find the first two tracks, and could not find them. If you can locate them and tell me that they are really there (no link needed), I’ll download them and do the tests.
Jinx
Shame not all are on iTunes 🙁 Ok I will list the ones I found :
J’ai Envie De Toi – Armin van Buuren presents Gaia (Original Mix)
Search for: Giuseppe Ottaviani feat. Amba Shepherd – Lost For Words
and then find the (On Air Mix)
Search for: Seinabo Sey – Younger …. then find Kygo remix.
Above & Beyond feat. Zoë Johnston – We’re All We Need
If you need more let me know.
dalethorn
Prefacing this, I’m guessing the T5p bass will be greater than the T90 or T1, but since the closest I have to those is the T90, I used the T90 with a 6 db *boost* at 55 hz and 3 db at 77 hz. The T90 treble I reduce some, so it should match the T5p pretty well. With We’re All We Need, the bass has real impact, but sounds a bit thin to me. I played it with the v-moda LP and M100 – both of those with the bass *reduced* quite a bit to eliminate bloat and boom etc., and yet with those the bass was quite solid and yummy. With J’ai Envie, the T90 bass improved a little (same bass boost and treble cut), but not what I’d call good EDM bass. With the v-modas (same bass cut and treble boost) the bass was strong but very good. With Lost for Words, the T90 did about as well as the previous track, and the v-modas had a strong bass. With Younger, the T90 bass was just not good, while the v-modas were OK but not great. So what I’m thinking is, the T5p would be great to have as a high end-headphone, but unless you like a bass that’s not real solid for EDM, then you should expect to use a boost of maybe 6 db with the T5p for this music. In a less high-end headphone that has a better chance of success with the bass, but also has a hi-fi mids and treble, the Sennheiser HD650 may be a good choice. Below that, the X2 might work for you, since I think the bass will be good. What this test proved to me more than anything is how very far apart the sounds of the Beyer Teslas are from “club mix” headphones like the v-modas. I don’t remember if open-back headphones are something you can use or not. But today, in the under-$1000 range, there aren’t many open headphones any more. The HD650 is one, the Grado PS500 or 325 etc., the AKG’s (but they have even less deep bass than the Grados).
Jinx
Thank you so much for doing this. This is really good information. How do you boost the bass? With dac like E10k? And he T90 with a 6 db *boost* is the same as t5p – so when you say the t5p will need maybe 6db boost it will have even more bass than what u tested with right?
Is it really possible to just buy the t5p and if i find the bass quantity too little I can simply boost to my prefered level? Or will the bass get weird at some point?
Also if I dont buy the t5p it’s probably gonna be the TH600 – it should be better than the x2 right? I think it’s the best headphones for my needs in that pricerange – correct me if I’m wrong.
dalethorn
The T90 with a boost isn’t the same as a T5p, but it should be closer. The exact difference is something you listen for, since there are many factors. As far as boosting a T5p, my experience with the T1, T90, T51p, DT1350 etc. (all Teslas) is they do take a boost very well with no appreciable distortion. You’re most likely to get distortion in the amp, but worry about that when the time comes (if it happens). The Teslas play many decibels louder than your ear can tolerate, so that extra dynamic range allows some boosting with no issues, unless of course your amp is underpowered.
My feeling is the T5p bass will be a little too lean for the music you suggested, and a bass boost will make it good enough for many people like myself. But be aware that many EDM fans use headphones like the v-modas, which are bass monsters, so their perceptions of bass are way different from mine. I like the Beyers because they provide detail in the bass, not just impact.
The TH600 sounds like a good choice. Maybe even the best choice.
Jinx
What will happen if I get distortion in my amp? And how do I fix that?
The amp I would use, if I go with t5p or any other beyer, is the a20 amp.
I’m pretty sure it doenst have a “bass boost” fucntion, so how will i boost bass then? Maybe with the E10k?
You say I may not like the bass, but since I like my DT770 I’m pretty sure I will like t5p – if I can boost the bass whatever I feel like. (Will it ruin quality of the bass?)
TH600 sounds like a good choice indeed. However I really like the idea that I could buy the a20 amp and use with my current headphone and also upgrade with other headphones in the beyer series to whatever I feel like and still using the same amp and dac for all of them. Instead of buying new amps for new headphones in the future.
I can’t try the t5p sadly, but there is a shop that has all the others, so I will try to see if I can demo them in the near future, espcially the t1 since that’s the closest I can get to t5p I guess.
dalethorn
The A20 should be perfect. If you do want to do a bass boost, there are many ways. Just make sure your final setup has some option to do that, since it’s rare to have a perfect synergy with all of your components and all of your music tracks. And don’t worry about hearing distortion – with a good Beyer headphone and amp, whatever bad you hear will either be in the Beyer gear (Beyer’s problem, not yours) or the music tracks or your source player (your problem, not theirs). Not to worry though – I’d love to have the T5p and the A20, and someday soon I will have that T5p.
Jinx
Reading reviews the A20 sounds amazing for beyers yeah. My final setup would be t5p + a20 + fiio e10k? Or is there something better. I’ve read that it has bass boost option.
Source player?
Headfonia_L.
Replace the E10K with a Resonessence Labs Herus (see the review) and you’ll have a great setup
Jinx
“I would describe the general sound as linear, there is no focus on bass or treble.” 🙁 It also doesnt have bass boost like the fiio e10k. And I really want that with the t5p since it lacks a litte in bass quantity I’ve been told. Unless there is another way to boost the bass without the dac?
dalethorn
L’s suggestion is important. You don’t want a FiiO E10k in there with premium components. And you can boost bass probably several ways with your music player.
Jinx
Why? Do I need a certain musicplayer or can any work? Also how can I then boost bass if I play music on youtube or Spotify?
dalethorn
This conversation has gone on for a long time and I don’t remember what you have now or what gear you have in the works to order. Music players need hardware to run on, and I don’t know what hardware you have. If you have a PC you can use Foobar2000, which is free and very good. You can activate the 30-band equalizer and precisely tune your bass, as long as you keep it reasonable. If you have a Mac you can find something as good – Amarra or something similar. If you have to have the same EQ (i.e. bass boost) on Spotify, I have no doubt that you can do it, but at this point the advice you need is called professional consulting, and it gets expensive unless someone is willing to spend all the necessary time with you for free. So – time for you to research what hardware you want to use and what player you want to use and how to boost your bass “system wide” so it will work on Spotify etc. The answers are there on Google. When you get the basics down and need to know what specific thing is going to sound better, then maybe this place would be the best place to ask.
Headfonia_L.
Dale is right. If you “need” bass boost cause your headphone doesn’t deliver the bass you need, you should really choose another headphone. Good luck
Jinx
Allright, thank you so much for your help guys – I really appreciate it sine I can’t go and try out the headphones. I think you are both right that I need to look at some other headphones than Beyer since it doesnt provide enought bass for my liking. I’ve actually read alot good reviews about TH600 and TH900, and people say they are also good for other genres as well. What are your thoughts on this matter? I love the idea to buy a good pair of headphones that will last forever so the price for the TH900 is allright looking from that perspective I guess.
Edit/ I want to say I have read the review on this site but I also would like your opinion on this 🙂 Is the DT770 considered neutral? And what about the TH’s?
dalethorn
There’s nothing wrong with the T5p. The DT770 is not neutral. What you need before purchase, besides research, is experience. If you can’t get the experience like most of us, by buying low and working your way up, then personal consulting is the substitute for that experience.
Jinx
I didn’t say there was anything wrong with the t5p. You said yourself that the t5p lacks a little in bass quantity for certain genres. I’m not an audiophile but a guy who loves music, which is why I wont be going though massive amount of headphones – I’d rather stick to 1 set for a long period of time and I think I’ve found just that. Either TH600 + HP-A4 or TH900 + HP-A8. Now I just need to figure out which set yo choose.
Don’t get me wrong, I actually think the T90, T5p or T1 along with an A20 would be my choice if I didnt listen to EDM. Anyways thanks for the massive help so far.
dalethorn
I mentioned that there’s nothing wrong with the T5p, because the other person suggested that starting out with a headphone that you know up-front needs a bass boost, is probably not a good idea. That may be true, or not – but I have a lot of love for Beyer headphones that I have tweaked like that, so I’m just sharing that thought.
I haven’t heard the TH600 or TH900, but some of the planars have treble trouble, so I keep that in mind when comparing to Beyer Tesla headphones.
Jinx
Allright. Do you know if I should remove my soundcard when i get the amp/dac?
dalethorn
I’ve never had a computer that comes apart, just laptops. So you’d have to ask someone who knows about those card slots. It’s probably safe, but you never know. Make sure your system settings work if you pull it.
Kalocsai
Hi Guys
I have an AKG
K701 and after a long search I have found a proper DAC and Amp to drive
it. I would like to use it with my Imac and TV but I was told that DAC
doesn’t work with TV because ” TVs don’t have USB output”. What does
that mean ? As I am a layman I am pretty confused now. I have a smart TV
and I do see signs on the back part of my TV like ” digital audio out (
optical ), USB 1, USB 2.” Does the quality of the sound really go down
if I use only the Amp?
Thanks
dalethorn
If your DAC has optical input then you’re good to go. If you have USB input only, then just try it and see.
Kalocsai
Hi
This is what I see on the back side of the DAC
Kalocsai
” optical input”
dalethorn
Then connect the TV optical out to the DAC optical in?
lorem3k
Hi,
I just got a pair of Inear StageDiver SD2 and now I’m looking for a new DAP to use them with as I’ve found that my iPhone doesn’t really deliver the level of detail that impressed me when I tried them out with the Matrix Mini-i I use at home (which I know is not exactly the most detailed source either). I think I’ve narrowed my options down to the DX90 and the RWAK100. I’m leaning towards the RWAK for its superior storage and battery life but I haven’t been able to find any sound comparisons between the two. Any advice?
Headfonia_L.
Have you checked the RWAK review? Or just ask Nathan there
Worth Talley
Thoughts on the Jdslabs C5 as an amp for the Alpha Dog?
Headfonia_L.
not too bad but I would choose one with a litte more power
Worth Talley
What would you portable amp would you recommend under $200 ($300 if necessary)?
dalethorn
An amp (no DAC) under $200 with good power might be the FiiO E12 or one of the newer versions, but probably not the one made for IEMs.
jason theo
I’m considering buying the fiio e10k to upgrade from my hifiman hm-101. worth it?
also considering the grado sr60e to pair with it. appreciate any comments thanks!
jason theo
or any other headphone recommendations raound 100$. i listens to many genres (except edm and other electronic styled music) mostly rock and acoustics
dalethorn
The Grado tilts toward a forward or even bright sound – good for acoustic music. Alternatives for a little darker might be the Shure SRH-440, Sennheiser HD-280, or Sennheiser Momentum On-ear (on sale now for $100 at some sites).
Dave Ulrich
I can vouch that the SR80e is very good for acoustic, as stated in my review.
jason theo
ok thanks, and can you tell me if the sr80e is worth the extra dollars to the sr60e. thanks!
Kevin Setiadi
Hi guys, I’m currently looking for a ~$100 IEM to be used anywhere outside my house. I’ve done some research and currently looking at Audio Technica IM70 and Shure SE215 (not SPE). They are priced very similarly in my country. My daily driver at home is ATH M50x so I would like something that has similar sound signature. Comfort and isolation are also important factors for me.
Which one of these do you think I should buy?
Headfonia_L.
The Shure SE215
Andrea Braga
Hi guys, I need your help 🙂
I have an iMac, a Pure Music software, a Dragonfly 1.2 (dac and phone ampl.) and a B&W P7.
I would like improve the dac/ampl. quality, and to have the possibility to drive my A/V amplifier on my dayroom also…
I don’t need something portable, any idea please? the budget? about 1000€.
thank you so much!
Headfonia_L.
Meridian Prime? I’m not a fan of most AMp/Dac combos
Hussain Merchant
Hi, few days ago i got my Sennheiser Momentum over-ear headphones for my PC which have Realtek ALC1150 but the volume is very low I have to increase the volume to 70 to 90% to get a decent listening. please suggest me how to improve the volume and sound quality of my headphones. should i get sound blaster Z or Fiio E07K or what? my budget is $80. thanks
Headfonia_L.
I would recommend the E10K, see our review
Hussain Merchant
thanks for reply, i was leaning toward E07K because of its features like bass and treble etc and the display screen. how much of a difference between them in case of my query of volume issue? thanks.
Headfonia_L.
I would wait for the E17K then, I have it with me right now
Hussain Merchant
how much do you think it’s gonna cost? if it’s over $100 then i go for E10K. actually i don’t live in the US and my cousin is coming from Canada in early January so he’ll bring it. thanks
Headfonia_L.
it will be more than $150 for sure
Jort
Lieven, Dale, Mike. I believe a good headphone doesn’t need an amp. It sounds great straight out of an iphone because it sounds already nearly close to being perfect by itself. I am curious for your personal headphone preferences that can meet this criterion for you. [I hope no more than 600 euro’s.]
dalethorn
There are many headphones efficient enough to play from an iPhone without overloading the preamp circuits, but it’s easy to fool people with an iPhone when it clips ‘softly’ without warning you of hidden distortions. My personal favorites for iPhone only are the Yamaha MT220, Senn HD380, Thinksound ON1 – a few more perhaps. Note that the overall sound of the iPhone 6-plus is much better (esp. soundstage) than the iPhone 5 and earlier. If you do opt for an amp after all, the low-cost amps I have (FiiO E07k, PA2V2 etc.) will not improve the iPhone6+ in sound quality, but will improve the dynamics. Those amps make a noticeable improvement on older iPhones and iPods – especially soundstage.
Jort
Thank you both for your reply. Follow up question; What’s your preference and why: Senn HD380 or T51p?
dalethorn
Those are not at all comparable. Let’s say the T51p sounds “abc” and the HD380 sounds “xyz”, but your reference point is “def” – very close to “abc” but far from “xyz”. Then explaining “xyz” sound to you would not make much sense. You need to provide more information to get closer to what you want, but you need to do so very succinctly so this doesn’t become too big for the format of the forum here. Note that HD380 sound is very common in the U.S., but T51p sound is very rare here.
Jort
Okay, you want more information in order to be of better assistance. Thank you! Already for half a year I’m occasionally checking what headphone to buy. I now have to decide what I want because my wife just asked me if I have a present in mind. I narrowed it down to HD380 (your advice to me), T51p and.. HD650. Their frequency ranges are wide enough (although Beyers 23kHz reads as not high enough) and their reviews are good. I know they all three are very different headphones, and therefor difficult to compare. I will use it with my iPhone 6Plus 128Gb (and maybe my macbook but I don’t have/want a Dac). I never listen to classical music, but apart from that my musical preferences is very wide, I’m always open to new good music experiences, I listen to the old music like Cocteau Twins, Smashing Pumpkins, Massive Attack, The Cure, Shriekback, JeanMichelle Jarre etc but also can appreciate seductive trance/lounge, Armin van Buuren, Tiesto and also popy stuf like Coldplay, Keane, John Mayer, Zucchero, and lcan enjoy nice top 50 music etc.. However my budget is small, I hope to discover a headphone in combination with my iPhone that gives me an experience that I nearly need to discover my music all over. HD380 is 115 euro’s cheap but the reviews are good and an with an amp…. The T51p and HD650 both are 300 euro’s around here. In case your advice is 650, you can’t play without an amp so I need one under 200 euro’s (because of budget) Cmoy? E12? or the new Bubbly C5? I like the idea that I can take a walk with my headphone, therefor these headphone choices. But I’m open for all of your consious substantiated opinions from you specialists. Many thanks in advance guys!
dalethorn
The HD380 is a good headphone, for studio monitoring even, but doesn’t have the resolution of detail like the HD650 or the Beyer T51p. The HD650 wins easily over the T51p for smoothness of response and detail, and also reliability. The HD650 is open I think, and the T51p is closed. For portable use the T51p is clearly a better choice for all points, but for home use where an open headphone is OK, the HD650 is much better. The FiiO E12 is my favorite amp at that price point, and has enough power which some amps don’t. The E12 won’t be useful from a computer unless you have a DAC also. If you use the E12 with iPhone, get a LOD cable, and if the iPhone LOD is Lightning instead of 30-pin, get the Lightning to 30-pin adapter. If I were buying a T51p, I’d make sure that sending it into Beyer for repair is not going to be a problem. The cables going into the earcups are very thin and fragile. BTW, ignore the 23 khz “limit” of the T51p – it’s a Tesla headphone, and the highs are very extended.
Jort
Thank you for your advice Dale! Cable problems are bad news, so I ordered the good old HD650 today as my Christmas present. What are your personal favorite portable amps for the HD650 in 3 price ranges: <150, <250, <400 euro’s. And I wonder, why do I need a LOD cable for my iPhone to listen to the HD650 via an amp?
Headfonia_L.
Thanks for posting here but a lot of your questions can very easily be answered by using google and by reading reviews on this website.
Again, thanks for visiting but we do have other stuff to do besides answering the same questions all over again. So I’m not sure Dale will be back answering your questions. But who knows 🙂
dalethorn
Thanks L – I thought that thing about person-to-person consulting was covered already, but it looks like it didn’t stick. Most users figure out sooner or later that they get the best help if they do as much as they can before asking.
And I don’t get that about the 3 price ranges. I think we agree if we can afford the better amp, we just get it.
Jort
http://www.head-fi.org/products/category/headphone-amplifiers has all the answers I was looking for. Thanks for the tip.
dalethorn
Just for fun I connected the T51p and a Senn HD8DJ (the closest I have to an ‘urban’ headphone) and compared them driven from identical sources and amps. The HD8DJ was a bit dark with strong mid-bass and very strong upper bass, while the T51p was clearly more hi-fi with an OK lower bass and warm but not excessive upper bass. But judging their application to different music depends a lot on the end-user who is going to use the headphone.
Headfonia_L.
Koss Portapro
hvking
Hi, I am looking for a closed
headphone under $350. I mainly listen to Pop, Classic/Hard Rock, Metal
and Classical songs, sometimes Hip-Hop. Can you recommend me a closed
headphone under $350?
dalethorn
Usually the best recommendation is the Sennheiser Momentum, for a very smooth hi-fi sound, excellent quality build, very portable, and super comfortable for most people. Two caveats I’d mention are 1) The earcups/earpads may not fit some ears comfortably if the ears are large or the outer parts stick out much, and 2) The uppermost treble is slightly soft, which is good for most music, but some people who want critical reproduction of classical music’s highest frequencies might not be satisfied. In that price range is the Mad Dog that I really like, but it’s large and a lot less portable. The Philips X2 is a possibility, but it’s also fairly large and less portable, and while the sound is good I don’t know how it compares directly to the Momentum.
hvking
Between Sennheiser HD25-1 II, Beyerdynamic DT1350, Beyerdynamic T51p, V-Moda M100, and V-Moda XS, which one do you personally prefer? I sometimes listen to Electronic Music too.
Headfonia_L.
T51p>XS>HD25
hvking
Is Momentum>T51p>XS>HD25-1 II>M100 in terms of both comfort and sound?
Headfonia_L.
Sound: T51p>XS>Mom>HD25
Comfort: T51p>Mom>XS>HD25
hvking
Is HP50 and Urbanite’s sound and comfort better than T51P, Momentum, and XS?
Headfonia_L.
HP50 yes, it’s over ear. Urbanite not really
hvking
So, is HP50>T51P>Urbanite>XS>Momentum>HD25 in terms of sound and is HP50>T51P>Momentum>Urbanite>XS>HD25 in terms of comfort?
dalethorn
These headphones may have a ranking you can set, but they’re really not comparable. For example, the HP50 and T51p are as different as night and day. It’s easy to compare build and comfort, but not sound. Can you be more specific about the sound you like, with any headphone examples, and possibly music examples. If you have music examples, no more than 3, but one each in 3 different genres.
hvking
I am specifically looking for a headphone (No preference of over ear or on ear) that can play all types of music specifically all type of Rock music, Metal (Metallica), Pop, Classical music (Beethoven and Mozart) and EDMs. I am looking for a headphone under $350 for these genres. I don’t plan to buy T51p as it is over $350. However, I am confused between HP50, XS, M100 and Momentum. Which one of these do you prefer for sound as well as comfort?
dalethorn
M100 I have, rather heavy bass that intrudes on everything. OK for most EDM, rock, metal, etc. I think, but definitely not classical. The XS has an overall balanced sound, but choppy. Not for classical certainly, and probably not for metal. The Momentum is nearly ideal for everything I think, except the uppermost treble is weak and may not satisfy critical classical listeners for instrumental tone and harmonics. I haven’t heard the HP50, but from reviews it seems squarely in the ‘lifestyle’ sound class, so good for probably everything except classical. As to fit, the M100 is good for me, but many users complain about the fit being too tight. Check the Amazon reviews. The XS is even more polarizing for a lot of users – if using the XS, be prepared to make a permanent bend in the headband for best ear fit, and keep your head fairly still when listening. The Momentum is good for me, but the “over ear” type as you say is misleading. I always say “around ear”, because it’s partly around-ear and that’s a problem for some users. The HP50 fit I don’t know, but I’d recommend checking the Amazon U.S. reviews, and be sure to sort by Newest First to get the most accurate reviews of how it fits. If I were buying a portable now as my one-and-only portable, I’d get the Thinksound ON1, for a warm-neutral sound, smoothness and lack of serious peaks/recesses, good comfort, build quality and the best detachable cables in the business, and fold-up to a small size.
hvking
If I take classical music out of the genres that I listen to as it is not as important as the other genres, would you still prefer Thinksound ON1 or would you prefer any other headphone? I would also like to know your opinion on Beats Solo 2 and Sennheiser HD 380 Pro.
dalethorn
The HD380 Pro is a bargain. If you want a bargain, get the 380. The Solo2 is as good sonically as the XS, but the XS is a much better deal physically. The HD380 is better sonically than the XS or Solo2. The ON1 is as good sonically as the T51p (although they don’t sound very similar), but the ON1 is better for reliability and having a great detachable cable. If I were playing a lot of classical music, I’d take the T51p. For all the rest I’d take the ON1.
hvking
How would you compare ON1 and DT1350? Do you think ON1 is better than HD380, DT1350, Solo2 and XS in terms of isolation?
dalethorn
ON1 isolation is about average – same as these others, but the HD380 is better. The DT1350 is yet another headphone with a strange sound that’s very controversial or polarizing. I have 2, and I put T51p earpads on both of them. Those earpads make them better than the T51p in my view, but since the treble is more hi-fi than the T51p, they’re more likely to be used for classical, acoustic, jazz etc.
hvking
How would you rank bass for HD380, Solo 2, XS and ON1?
dalethorn
I don’t remember the video and don’t have time now to watch it. The second sample of the ON1 that I got is actually improved. The ON1 bass is better than those others, although the HD380 bass is very close.
hvking
It would have been very useful if ON1 and HP50 could be compared as most of the reviews prefer HP50 over Momentums. Thanks for the help and suggestions. It was very useful to me.
dalethorn
A comparison of each headphone to others would be a million comparisons. Whatever headphone gets promoted big (HP50) wins over the others (ON1).
hvking
One final question. If you had to choose between HD380 Pro, Momentum Over Ear and maybe Urbanite XL (if you have tested them), which one would you choose for sound?
dalethorn
If I felt that I had to plug it in and use it “as is”, so I could run it off of any player, the HD380 Pro, because it would play everything pretty well. If I allowed myself just a little bass or treble boost as needed (like with the FiiO E07k or E17 controls), then the Momentum – big time. That’s because I would want some fine tuning for classical – for everything else the Momentum is fine as-is. And the Momentum has a superior quality build and great looks. The Urbanite (let’s be honest) is a low-end Momentum, so get the Momentum over the Urbanite if you can.
hvking
Thanks a lot. I would be using the headphone using my cell phone of iPod. I will go with the Momentum over HD380 Pro, Urbanite XL and M100.
Adryan Wirasyahputra
I have the 380 pro, it is one of my favorite headphones of ALL TIME. Heck, i prefer it more than any TOTL headphones on the market currently. Sonically, it isn’t realistic or gonna blow you away, but the sound signature is like riding a roller coaster. If most headphones wanna recreate the recording the way it was to your surroundings, the 380 pro i say makes you go to the place it was recorded! The only bad thing i have to say about it is the plastic housing cause a LOT of resonance, making a grain around the 2khz-4khz area. the bass is tight, but kinda one note-ish.
dalethorn
Just for fun I hooked up the T51p and a Senn HD8DJ (the closest I have to an ‘urban’ headphone) and compared them driven from identical sources and amps. The HD8DJ was a bit dark with strong mid-bass and very strong upper bass, while the T51p was clearly more hi-fi with an OK lower bass and warm but not excessive upper bass. But judging their application to different music depends a lot on the end-user who is going to use the headphone.
Headfonia_L.
I’d say the HP50, H6 or Urbanite. T51P if you want on ear. Or the XS
jason theo
Hi, which would you say is better for a dac/amp combo under 100, fiio e10k or topping d1 mark 2? I will use it with my hd202 for some time before buying another pair of headphones. thanks!
Headfonia_L.
Fiio E10K. Can’t go wrong with it
John Rigdon
I have a pair of AKG 272HDs (~55 Ohms) and a DIY cmoy. I usually listen from PC. I have a set of M-Audio AV-40s (powered desktop speakers). I think a DAC would be a good way to get more performance out of my current set up. (realtek onboard audio). If you couldn’t tell from my equipment budget is a major factor.
Do you think I’d be best served by the FiiO E10K or HUD-MX1 and relegate the cmoy to on the go use? The Stoner UD120 and HRT Music Streamer II could be another option plugged into the M-Audios, and then the cmoy + headphone off of the speakers headphone output. Any guidance would be appreciated.
I don’t plan on buying higher quality speakers in the foreseeable future . Flagship headphones are likewise out of my reach, although I would like to purchase something in the $300-400 range such as Senn 650s or the K712 Pros within a year or two.
Sorry for the long winded question, and thank you for such an informative site! Just looking to get the most sound quality I can for my dollar.
dalethorn
I like the D1 for desktop use as a DAC and headphone amp both, since the sound is slightly better than the FiiO’s. There’s also Line Out for speakers. Then you could relegate the Cmoy to portable use. I would never run anything off of the speaker’s outputs, even if they were purely pass-through. All that extra stuff in the signal path defeats the purpose of adding a DAC.
John Rigdon
Thanks! That narrows it down to the FiiO E10K and the Audioengine D1. Now it’s a matter of deciding if the D1 sounds $100 better.
I intuitively thought something similar with regard to the headphone output, and I’m glad to get an explanation.
dalethorn
The Dragonfly v2 and the HRT Microstreamer are better than the D1, but lack the volume knob. I doubt the DF or MS are $100 more, since I paid about $180 new and I’ve seen them for $150 or so lately. But if you could stretch to the Microstreamer, it has a Line Out and headphone jack separately, the best sound, and you can control volume from the computer (just need to experiment between how to set system volume -vs- music player volume).
John Rigdon
If I understand you correctly, in ascending order:
$75 E10K line out to speakers, integrated headphone amp
$150 DF2, w/ y-splitter to speakers and Cmoy+headphones
$180 MS, line out to speakers, headphone jack to Cmoy+headphones
And stretching for the MS would be worthwhile as it is the superior device?
dalethorn
The DF and MS are a significant step up from the FiiO’s, but just a little better than the D1. The D1 that I know goes back a couple of years, so there’s always a possibility that they’ve brought it up to date, and it’s hard to know since most all of the reviews occurred back when it first came out. You could ask Audioengine and say tou have a technical question about whether it was upgraded. The thing that I really can’t answer here is, what kind of weight to put on the different factors. I can’t compare them side-by-side now since all I have in this comparison is the FiiO E07k and the MS. There are other DACs that might be even better than the MS – the iFi Nano, the GeekOut, a few others. At this point I’d suggest you get the best you can afford, making sure you have the inputs and outputs you need.
John Rigdon
Will do, and thank you for all your help. I have what I need to make an informed choice. Happy holidays!
Spud
I’m deciding on a Dap player between the Hidizs ap100, Fiio x5, and the Ibasso dx90. I usually listen to Hip Hop music. Besides on which player provides the best sound quality for the music I listen to, I’m also looking for where I can carry around in my pocket where I don’t need to look at the screen all the time and be able to switch the volume and play to the next song with ease.
Thank You for the help
Headfonia_L.
My vote goes to the DX90. Good sound, stable Firmware, good UI and pocketfriendly!
Spud
Got my DX90. I wanna thank Headfonia_L and the review. Got a incredible deal for it. All I have now for headphones are the Sennheiser HD 555 and the Porto Pros , G-bag speaker backpack for outside use. I was thinking the ATH-M50X since many have given it great reviews. Like to know which micro sd 64g card would be best to use?
Thank you
dalethorn
I have a few of the Sandisk Extreme PLUS Class 1 (UHS) that are exFAT format. These work well with my cameras, but I’ve had trouble using them for mass file storage (no problems at all with many 32 gb MicroSD cards). I’ve tried to format these as FAT32, and while that format works for awhile, for some reason it fails after some use with 40 or so gb of space used. I have several 128 gb MicroSD cards, and those not only failed but they’re not even formattable now. Good luck!!
Spud
wow , had no idea they can provide problems when it comes to mass storage.
Thanks for the insight.
Headfonia_L.
Glad you like the DX90! I advise to buy a card from a reputed company and not one from ebay. Brands like Sandisk, Samsung, etc. other will die on you quickly
Gabriel Ross
Lieven, Your review of the Vsonic GR07MK2,compelled me to get a pair. Now, I am looking at the Inear Stagediver SD2. And again your review was, compelling. Are the SD2’s truly better or just different in design and drivers; home source is a HP-A4. Thanks Headfonia, have a great 2015!
Headfonia_L.
Thanks! The SD2 is a great monitor with a reference tuning. That means very linear with good detail, but that also means it doesn’t have a lot of bass or body in the mids. They will have less of that than your GR07MK2. Up to you to decide if you’re willing to sacrifice that. THe SD3 had too much body and bass, and the SD4 is the perfect mix of both. I can also recommend the custom Cosmic Ears CE4P, I think you would like that one’s tuning.
Jinx
I’m gonna get DT990 Premium 600 ohm. I guess the A20 or A1 will be a good matchup? What is the difference between the two amps and is it worth getting the A1 over A20 for DT990?
I currently have DT770 Pro 250 ohm. But I’ve heard the 80 ohm has more bass, will that work with 600 ohm amp like A20 and A1?
I’m also not sure if I should get a DAC at all since I dont know what it does but I see everyone talk about it. Also if I do need a DAC what will suit me best? When compared to the above.
Headfonia_L.
I dont want to be an ass but your first question can be answered by visiting the Beyer website or google to see what the difference is. Yes the dt770 will benefit from both. And for your third Dac question, google is your best friend. I can recommend the headfi vocabulary guide as well. Good luck and sorry but I really dont have time to explain the basics over and over again.
Dale probably has an excellent automated reply for this 🙂
Jinx
Didnt even think about checking out the Beyer website for information, I’ll do that. I know the DT770 will benefit from them but I read your review about A20 where you tested it with the 30 ohm version and you said it only added more bass which makes me worry if the the 80 will have same result. I guess my question to this is if I get A20 or A1 will it be better to keep the DT770 250 ohm or would it be fine to get the 80 ohm (I’ve read it has more bass, but maybe that doesnt matter if it’s paired with 600 ohm amp)? If you dont know that’s fine I’m just asking.
I will try google good dac paring with them.
dalethorn
The problem here is, you don’t have a single simple question (working on an auto-reply for this). So given the complex issues you have, saying “This combination has more bass” or “This combination has less bass” isn’t going to work, because then the other complexities come in, like just how much bass do you expect, what are you used to, do you need extra attack/punch or will a more fluid** bass be better? These aren’t things to ask, just things to remember with the other things you’re looking for.
**I kinda made that up, as a kinder gentler way of describing bass like, well, maybe like the B&W P7.
Jinx
Allright I’ll try to make it more simple then. Will the 600 ohm amp such as A1 or A20 benefit the 250 ohm version more than the 80 ohm in terms of adding better sq overall? It might be a stupid question but I’m new to all this and it may seem like I’m not doing any research myself but just to get to the point of choosing the right headphone has cost me many hours of research, weeks. And I’m fine with that, in fact I enjoy reading reviews on this forum and other places, even for stuff I dont plan on buying. I just cant get my head arround this.
Still doing research on A20 vs A1 and DAC.
Thanks.
dalethorn
If one of the headphones were 32 ohms or less then maybe you would have a difference from the impedance. But between 80 and 250 ohms with those desktop amps, the only differences you will hear will be from which headphone has the newer earpads, or the most burn-in time, or the normal variances between samples of the same headphone.
Jinx
Allright. I actually have a question regarding earpads. I have used my DT770 Pro 250 ohm for 2-3 years now – both for music and gaming so they have had a massive amount of headtime. Is it possible to replace the old earpads with new ones – and if so, how? I’m really afraid to break anything.
Headfonia_L.
🙂
dalethorn
Yowza!
Jinx
Allright. Do you know the Henry Audio USB DAC 128 MkII ? If not do you think the ODAC will be a good DAC for my setup?
If we are looking at A20. Is there any contender in that pricerange?
Hope these are not google search questions haha 😉
dalethorn
Both DACs are open source, so pick whichever gives you the best combination of price, warranty, repair service etc. Beyer is a premium amp – you could probably do just as well with the O2, or one of the Schiits.
Jinx
Premium amp?
dalethorn
This question has been answered before – try doing a search here first.
dalethorn
You beat me to it – cool!
tvc15
I’ve just purchaced my first pair of quasi-serious headphones for commuting (previously only used reg.earbuds). I like the imaging of my B&W P7’s but find that when powered by my phone or tablet the mids are a little too weak and recessed. This is improved by plugging them into my home stereo set-up. Is there a portable DAC/AMP you would recomend for these low impedence cans that could boost the sound and widen the soundstage when using them on the go?
Headfonia_L.
Have you had a look at Cypherlabs’s DAC/AMP units for iDevices and Android?
Blackeye Liner
I recently purchased a recommended upgrade for my Arcam rDAC – a USB to SPDIF converter, a M2Tech HiFace. The sound upgrade was instantly noticeable, i.e. the background became darker, sound layering more prominent, instrument separation better compared to USB.
The problem however is that the sound is very fatiguing, to the point that my ears start to hurt. It feels like there is some high-level pitch added to the sound, but it’s completely inaudible, just feels that way.
What could it be and how to debug it? I don’t really like the USB sound any more as I hear how flawed it is, but I am not comfortable with (better in terms of quality) SPDIF sound as well.
dalethorn
But you’re still using the USB, and just adding the converter?
Blackeye Liner
Yes, in both cases it’s USB. It’s a laptop, so one single other option I have is to use optical SPDIF out through minitoslink, but I don’t see any difference in sound between optical and usb direct to Arcam.
With converter though, it’s different, I like it’s being technically superior, but for some reason it’s fatiguing.
dalethorn
You’ve got a complicated case, and common one. What you’re hearing is the end result of a lot of processes. Here’s just one guess – your headphone may have a peak somewhere (3-5 khz are the most common) and it’s not a problem in most cases, but when you get a signal that reproduces it stronger or clearer it’s more prominent. The only other thing I can think of right off is a spurious signal, like a carrier of some kind, riding along with the converter. Someone who has electronic test gear may be able to test for the last case. For the first case you can get a couple (not just one) of ‘sweep’ frequency files that go continuously from at least 100 to 10000 hz, and see if you have any strong peaks there.
Blackeye Liner
Thanks for your answer! The headphones are HD650, so there’s nothing much to it. However, I can test with other headphones I have, and I have sweep tones at hand. Will test. For the carrier signal, one thing that comes to mind is bad USB power coming from the laptop: I will also test the converter with battery power.
Xavier Hill Wilson
I’m purchasing some He-400i, and I already have an amp for desk use. But I would really like a portable amp and I’ll also need a dap. I’m looking at a fiio dap. x1 or x3. For the amp I’m looking at the fiio amps as well the electric avenues pa2v2. What would you guys recommend. I’m looking at a bass orientated amp to help the 400i’s.
dalethorn
The PA2V2 sounds good and I really like the volume control knob, but it’s difficult to carry because of the shape, unless you dedicate a separate pocket for it. I usually use the E07k instead, but there are also a couple of FiiO’s that do have the knobs, which are extremely handy. I’d choose the X1 over the X3, unless the X3 changed. The X3 I had was hard to use.
Headfonia_L.
Check out today’s review. I would not recommend the Fiio gear for the HE-400i
Xavier Hill Wilson
Why is this in your opinion? What about just the dap? I’m using an old desktop nad for at home use that’ll definitely be fine.
Headfonia_L.
Because the Fiio gear will hold back the HE-400i. It doesn’t have the soundstage or detail level, only the power needed. Why get a good headphone and limit it then?
X1 needs an external amp and X3 is good but lacks musicality. DX90 could do but that’s too expensive I reckon. To me it’s not logic to spend 499 on a headphone and then buy low budget players and amps, but ok 🙂
Xavier Hill Wilson
Well then… Lol thanks for telling me would of been a mistake. What headphones would you recommend then, maybe a bit cheaper than the 400i that can be relatively easily driven and is on the bassier and v shaped sound side.
thanks
Headfonia_L.
DT770 80Ohm or so
MennatAllah Humaid
Hey, I’ve recently purchased the ibasso Dx90, and I was wondering what good closed headphones under $500 I can get with my new purchased?
Can you think of suggestions other than the T51P, DT1350, and the ATH m-50 please?
dalethorn
My first thought was the B&W P7, a very snug fit, v-shape sound, slightly loose on bass etc. The Shure 1540 is a possibility, but it’s a darker sound with soft upper treble, but good detail all around. The Mad Dog latest version from MrSpeakers sounds good, but not so portable. The T51 series are tiny and won’t give you a full sound or soundstage like these others. Worse, while tiny headphones like the T51 are meant to be portable, a good portable should have more bass and treble I think – the T51 works better at home. The B&O H6 is pretty good, but a lighter sound with more upper-mids emphasis than the P7. The Beyer T70p might be a good bet for extra detail, but you’d need to try them, and maybe get them on sale. There are many lifestyle headphones like the Focal series, the HP50, Sennheiser Momentum Senior. The Philips X2 is a possibility if there’s enough isolation. A real favorite of mine is the small foldable Thinksound ON1 – good isolation, slightly dark but good, about $250.
MennatAllah Humaid
Thank you for you answer! The X2 isn’t an option since they are open. I agree I shouldn’t go for a portable headphones since sound quality is a priority, so now I can rule out the t51p. I am thinking of the Shure 1540s, but I am worried since I hb heard they perform worse in high volumes than in lower volume. Plus I dunno how they wd pair with the DX90 since both are dark sounding, I am afraid the pair would be overly dark sounding. How does the T70p compare to the Shure?
Thanks again!
dalethorn
Good observations! In defense of the 1540, I suspect that the worse performance at higher volume is an amp problem. Most people aren’t aware of how great a demand dynamics present to their amps. I haven’t had the T70p, just T1, T90, T51p, DT1350’s, DT770-32 etc. But following the Beyer sound (especially Teslas), current trends, reviews – I know I want a T70p when I can get one. Just be prepared for, well, the Tesla sound – it’s not going to have a strong deep bass impact.
Spud
Hey, curious if anyone tried the Ponoplayer out ? Whats your impression on the overall sound quality ?
dalethorn
I think it looks nice. It comes with 128 gb of memory, which in FLAC format (44 khz CD) is about 4300 tracks of 4 minutes each. Change those tracks to 96k and that’s about 1900 tracks – still pretty good since you can carry extra 64 gb cards? Yes/no on those cards? There is no amp inside they say (per se), but all discrete components. That sounds good. To me, the deciding points will be (besides sound quality) can you swap the 64 gb cards, and will the software that loads the tracks have any limitations like iTunes, or be buggy?
Spud
Thx for the reply, I haven’t heard any complaints on the sound quality. Seems to have only volume buttons from the front. I don’t see no play , forward , or back buttons. That seems to be the issue I have. I prefer to have options where I don’t need to look at the screen all the time when going out.
dalethorn
The lowly iPod Shuffle has some nifty features, such as it plays MP3 or WAV tracks (despite the small memory), it plays sequentially or randomly, and it can tell you the track name and artist if you load that service when connected to the computer.
But that won’t do for the Pono I don’t think. I need to be able to find any track instantly (few seconds at most), for several reasons. That requires an alphabetized list of some kind, playlist or permanent list doesn’t matter, where I can press the ‘K’ button for example, to get to tracks beginning with ‘K’ (unless someone has an even better idea).
Headfonia_L.
Review next week!
Steve
How about the headphone AKG K3003? At around 1000, does the sound quality really worth it? Comparing to sennheiser ie800 and sony EX1000?
Nickjan Glas
hey guys, I have a question about a little older model, the corda quickstep portable amp. Does anybody have any experience with these? this one is now on sale from 345 for 230. It is a little older, so Im curious if it still beats newer models like the fiio e12a or comparably priced newer portable amps.
I am considering it as an addition to my meridian explorer for some better portable amplification and maybe replacing the also old model fiio e12.
Thank you in advance.
Adryan Wirasyahputra
i need a neutral DAC/amp desktop setup for my AD2000x. i found neutral to be my taste.
any recommendations?
Headfonia_L.
The IFI!
dalethorn
I just got the B&O H2 on-ear headphone – very impressive. It may prove to be better than the H6. Decent isolation, very low leakage, mild emphasis in upper bass, near-neutral mids and non-bright treble. Detail seems very good.
Headfonia_L.
I asked them about the H2 and they said it wasn’t really worth featuring. Surprised you thik it sounds great, sems they don’t even think it hahaha
dalethorn
It’s not exactly a sensation, but it has the B&O house sound (really!) which is a plus, good build, isolation, low leakage, good looks, very stable on the head – worth a look if you get the chance.
dalethorn
Well, I’m giving up on the H2. Still sounds good – as good as the B&W P5 anyway, but the headband isn’t like any I’ve ever used (does not seem to be metal). The headband will stretch out over time and become loose (it’s not bendable) and the earcups will fall off, or at the least they’ll lose the bass. If you put the H2 back into the box for several hours where the earcups are close together, the headband will re-acquire some of its clamp and be useful for a little while, but not a long time. I don’t see any way to fix this since the headband doesn’t seem to be able to take a permanent bend.
Headfonia_L.
I have the H8 incoming though
dalethorn
Unlike the H6 which is very slim (like the B&W P5) and also around-ear, the H8 is fatter and on-ear. What worries me most are the earpads, which are those rounded donut types that don’t seal well as a rule, or they fall off of the ears, esp. in colder weather.
lorem3k
I recently got an iBasso DX90 and I’ve fallen in love with its sound. For music listening I’ve abandoned my desktop setup of a Matrix Mini-i (old version) and Senn HD25-1 II and I’ve just been listening to the DX90 with my InEar SD-2s. However I can’t seem to get the DX90’s USB DAC feature to work properly on my PC so for things like movies I’ve still had been using the Matrix DAC. I’m not really a fan of the Matrix’s warmer, less detailed sound, and it also has an annoying amount of hiss with the IEMs, so now I’m looking for a new DAC/amp unit with a sound that’s more similar to the DX90’s. The Resonessence Labs Herus with its Sabre DAC seems like a good candidate, but on Head-fi it seems there are a lot of complaints about the noise floor when using it with more sensitive IEMs, and I would also prefer some sort of physical volume control interface (knob or buttons), though that isn’t as important to me. As far as budget goes I’d like to stay around $400 or under. Any suggestions?
Thanks in advance.
dalethorn
It’s one thing to hope that a single device like a DX90 can be an ideal DAP, also a desktop DAC, and then drive all sensitivities of headphones – but then adding another component like the Herus to patch the desktop DAC problem incurs new problems, because it’s designed as a DAC plus headphone amp, not just a DAC. If the Herus were a full-up DAC/amp it would have a gain switch. Maybe there’s a way to adjust the Herus’ gain from the computer? Then maybe the noise floor would be low enough on low gain.
Headfonia_L.
The gain on the Herus is set on the PC yes
dalethorn
Do you think lowering the gain would work to lower the noise for IEMs?
Headfonia_L.
no it doesn’t. It’s not really recommended for sensitive IEMs
lorem3k
If I’m not mistaken, the Herus only has one level of gain and the PC only controls the volume.
Headfonia_L.
that’s correct. Thanks
Headfonia_L.
The heus amp isn’t too great, bu tthe dac is superb. I think most people actually just use it as a dac with an external amp attached to it
iBasso is horrible for support on the DAC-PC issue, I can’t get it to work either.
Under the 400 range, I don’t really know. Dale probably knows better than me. There is the X3 that functions as a dac too. So many possibilities
dalethorn
My comparison of the Microstreamer and Audioengine D3 DAC/amps found both to be at the top of the mini-DAC quality chain, but the Microstreamer also has a separate Line Out, which is very handy. I didn’t try using the FiiO X3 as a DAC only, so don’t know. I have used a few amps with the Microstreamer acting as a DAC only, with great results.
lorem3k
Just to clarify, I’m not necessarily looking for a “mini-DAC”, just something with the same kind of neutral, open sound signature as the DX90 with a low gain setting that’s suitable for IEMs.
dalethorn
The low gain setting is an amp feature (not DAC AFAIK), but it seems you need both DAC and amp. That’s why I recommended the mini-DAC, so you can attach whatever amp you like. Finding the perfect DAC/amp combo under $400 might be difficult.
Spud
I recently purchased the Ibasso DX90. I notice many have issues with the DAC-PC issue. I like to know what will be the best choice how to set it up for it to work correctly?
Thank you
dalethorn
I haven’t found any solid claim that the OTG roles of the DX90 support anything except reversible roles in sending data or charging/taking a charge. In other words, unless I stumble across something, I don’t see how the DX90 can receive music-player-format data from a computer (which normally sends computer-O/S-format data for the DX90 to store) and then the DX90 send that data to its DAC, which presumably needs the data in the format that a music player on the computer sends it to the USB. Google searches should turn up the relevant information if it exists.
Headfonia_L.
no there certainly is a full guide on Headfi, I’ve read it and tried it.
dalethorn
I don’t think I’d find it before 2 more generations of amps are released. Still, it’s a promising idea. I wonder, given what has to be done to reroute or reformat that data, how much quality is lost in the process.
Headfonia_L.
It’s described in the Headfi DX90 thread. The DX90 and 50 on the latest firmware are supposed to work as USB dac. Most people have gotten it to work, I haven’t and I gave up as I don’t really need it anyway. You need to install the drivers etc. Downloads are here:
http://ibasso.com/download.php
Jason Theophilus
Hi! Just want to know which is more influential to the end sq, the DAC or amp ? And if switching only amps is providing enough difference to justify it? Thanks!
Headfonia_L.
Well if your DAC isn’t good, the amp can’t make it better…
dalethorn
In a way, it’s like “what’s more important, the output jacks or the caps?” – not being sarcastic, but since the DAC and amp do very different things**, the sound differences compared to different brands will not be comparable. i.e. the difference between DAC A and DAC B will sound like ‘abc’ and the difference between amp A and amp B will sound like ‘xyz’. It’s possible abc and xyz could be similar, but that would be a wild coincidence.
**The amp has to amplify – add gain, while the DAC turns digital data into analog waveforms. If either is colored noticeably, it would be due to unrelated distortions.
Headfonia_L.
but that can exactly be the point of that amp/dac: change the sound
dalethorn
Yup. And carefully!
Eric Thompson
If your headphones are really sensitive and you get noise or the amp can’t properly drive them then the amp, other wise I would say DAC.
Jinx
I’ve seen many people talk about that the amp needs to be at least 1/8 of the headphones impedance. What I’m wondering is if the Beyer’s A2 would be better suited for 600 ohm cans such as DT990 600 ohm and T1 compared to A20 since the A20 has 100 ohm and the A2 is 0 and 100. You probably havent heard this combination but based on your experience with different setups what would you think?
dalethorn
The whole thing about damping factor doesn’t do the same with headphones as it does with speakers. I ran a 5 ohm headphone on a number of amps with little or no effect from impedance. But, if your headphone is a state-of-the-art flagship, you might hear significant differences in half a dozen top-quality amps. Good luck in getting those together in one place.
Joe
Hello, I am in the market for a new earphone. Which do you recommend between the Shure846 and the K10? I have a AK120II as a source. Thanks,
Headfonia_L.
I think you would enjoy both but I would always go for the customs
Joe
Ok, but which one is more detailed, have a wider sound stage and still maintains good balance? Thank you
Headfonia_L.
The K10 probably. right, Nathan?
Joe
Ok, I read a bit more….how about the VE6 or the EM32. I listen mainly to jazz / pop, like a snappy detailed low end, wide stage, and good balance with mids and highs. Like vocals too…
Tronco
Hi guys, what is your opinion on the Beyer T5P?
dalethorn
I would love, love to have the T5p. To have a full-size Tesla that’s portable would be glorious. The little Teslas are remarkable, but they have nowhere near the soundstage of the T5p. Maybe when Massdrop has another sale on the T5p I’ll get one.
Headfonia_L.
I’m a fan of Beyer and yet there are a couple of headphones I don’t like: DT880, T1 and T5P. Oh and the T70
Jinx
What don’t you like about the T1? I think it would match my A20 pretty nice.
dalethorn
Here’s what I got from a guy on another forum:
(1) The Baltimore Symphony/Alsop recording of the Dvorak “New World” Symphony. In the initial statement of the main theme of the second movement, you know what the two instruments are, correct? To me, the Beyer makes them sound like one strange hybrid single-reed woodwind not found in nature. (2) Hank Jones and Roberta Gamberini, “You Are There.” If you have enough experience in listening to piano played live, you know that Stenways and Bosendorfers don’t sound anything alike, correct? With a decent recording and decent gear, you should be able to know without looking at liner notes. On the T1, you can’t tell which it is. Yes, I’m engaging in a high level of nit-picking. But when you’re north of $1,000 those are the kind of differences that matter. And the T1 fails dismally.
Jinx
Could it be because of the amp and dac he used maybe? If not, that’s a real shame. I wont buy the T1 now anyways – My wallet needs to recover from DT990 Premium 600 ohm + A20 + Henry AUDIO USB DAC MK II 🙂
dalethorn
The headphone has tonality issues. Normally I can adjust those out pretty well with the parametric equalizer, but in the T1’s case my first 2 attempts didn’t quite do it. If I still had the T1 I would try again, and eventually I could get it closer to neutral. BTW, the T1 has the potential for much better sound than the T90.
Jinx
Maybe there will be a new release from Beyer? I’m pretty new to all this mid-fi and hi-fi so I dont really know where to look for that information – if there is any. Before you say google – yes I did try that and only found their new Custome One Pro portable and Plus.
dalethorn
The problem is (only if you see a problem, since it’s not required) that once you get the headphone and get past the return date, that could be about the same time as you’re making your final decision as whether the headphone fits your needs or not. It isn’t just that they sound different, after all most of us can adjust the bass or treble a little to refine the sound for the genres of music we prefer. The issue with high-resolution headphones is the peculiarities in their signatures, which are much more obvious due to the high resolution. And if the headphone is power-hungry, you need a pretty good (i.e. resolving) amp for it, and that makes things more difficult.
BTW, just click on headphone reviews here at Headfonia and read through a few. After while it will all make sense.
Tronco
Could you elaborate what you don’t like on the T5P and the T1?
I’ve only had the chance to listen to the T1 twice and I thought it was awesome. But I had the same initial impression with the DT1350 and after some weeks that changed.
dalethorn
Listening in a store, or a meet, where the ambient noise level is much higher than a quiet night at home, you miss those low-level details. In fact, where the ambient noise is high the extra treble sounds pretty good. But if you like the 1350 with its standard earpads, you might like the T1 even more.
Eric Thompson
So just letting you know I would love a budget DAC/Amp should out, maybe even limited to USB power. Like a E10K vs E07k vs old and new E17 vs E09+said amps vs Dragonfly vs Fostex HP-A4 vs Audinst stuff? Kind of wondering how much its worth to spend on which one.
Eric Thompson
Don’t forget the Fulla
dalethorn
If I wanted to use a small amp directly with a phone etc., the E17k would be great. For laptop computer use, the D3 or Microstreamer would be better. But some headphones might not play loud enough on USB power alone, so the E17k or another amp with its own internal power might be better, in a few cases. Or, a combination like the Microstreamer and Portaphile Micro amp is better yet.
Elliott
What do you guys think about the sennehiser urbanite XL or the momentum over ear or even the hd589. Ive also looked at the ultrasone hfi 780. I plan on using these without an amp for travel and home listenign. Closed is prefered and under 250. Thanks
Headfonia_L.
How about the SoundMagic HP100 or HP150. Or the B&O H6
Eric Thompson
H6 is $400 still isn’t it?
Headfonia_L.
2nd hand?
Eric Thompson
I guess, although personally if going that route I would shoot for the B&W P7
dalethorn
H6 and P7 were frequently compared when they first came out, but they’re two different worlds. I would always choose the H6, not because it has the best sound (very different from the P7), but because the long-term comfort is far better.
Headfonia_L.
I’m with Dale on this.
Eric Thompson
The 598’s are open, the momentums are great, a little forward in the vocals and the whole bass region is slightly boosted so it isn’t the punchiest like Grado’s or HD25’s or the M100’s but they sound very good anyway. The only major issue with them is even tho they are over ear the cups are small and can hurt after like 3 hours or more, possibly worse if you have large ears.
Elliott
Any views towards sennehiser urbanite xl?
Headfonia_L.
Not at all, maybe the HD DJ series
dalethorn
I sure wouldn’t recommend the Senn HD8DJ if fidelity is an issue.
dalethorn
I had the Momentum Senior, which is allegedly around-ear (same as over-ear? nobody seems to know about that, since it doesn’t go around the ear. What does “over ear” mean to you?)
Anyway, I would start with something like the HD600, then reduce the fidelity for the ‘lifestyle’ kind of sound, then reduce the fidelity once again to get the sound of the Urbanite. And then I wonder if it really goes around the ear?
Elliott
So are you reccomending the urbanite? So far I cant see anything wrong with them. Thanks
dalethorn
I’d like to have one, but I don’t want to spend a bunch of money to get a headphone with low fidelity, marketed as “urban” or “lifestyle” sound. For that sound I could buy the Noontec Zoro II, for $99.
Elliott
Ive seen videos of the good quality and they dont look like pieces of plastic. Any other ideas of similar products except with higher fidelity
dalethorn
That’s also true of Momentum Senior and Junior – excellent physical quality. Probably the best lifestyle headphones are the B&W P7, B&O H6, Momentum Sr., and I haven’t tried the HP50 as yet. I’m very much enjoying the B&O H2 now, which I’ll bet sounds better than the Urbanites.
Headfonia_L.
I wouldn’t call them hi fi, more low to mid (maybe)
Elliott
Would the Sennheiser urbanite xl be worth it?
Headfonia_L.
Depends on your definition of being worth it
dalethorn
I bought a Bose QC25 (you probably shouldn’t – for music anyway), after putting the headphone on in the Best Buy store, with no music playing. The noise canceling is phenomenal – better than anything I’ve ever heard. It plays in passive or active mode. I haven’t shook down the active mode sound quality yet, but in passive mode the $99 Noontec Zoro II is slightly better, and the $200 B&O H2 is much better.
dalethorn
I did a shakedown of the QC25 in Active mode – as best I could measure, the Active mode sound seemed more even (flatter) than the passive mode sound, but actually didn’t sound as good. The QC25 isn’t an audiophile sound in any case, and “re-tuning” it is very difficult, since Bose already uses electronic equalization in addition to the Noise Canceling.
dalethorn
Addendum: The QC25 doesn’t go dead quiet in Active mode – the DSP has a white noise background that’s pronounced in quiet places. From what I can tell, even though the music is usually many db above the hiss level and I don’t hear the hiss intruding noticeably during playback, it’s not like Dolby that’s suppressed dynamically in quiet passages – it’s there all the time. So, for listening on a jet plane the Active mode is great, but in less noisy places where headphone isolation is good (not the QC25 BTW), an isolating headphone is a much better choice.
dalethorn
And then it gets worse: I’m sitting under a freeway bridge, and sometimes when vehicles pass overhead they hit areas of the road that make a strong thump, and those thumps aren’t just intruding (because the NC doesn’t cancel deep bass much, if at all), those thumps are modulating something in the music or NC circuits. Very annoying. I wish I could record the sound this headphone makes when someone slams a car door nearby. Ouch!!
Marc
So I just got my new Senn HD 800s and I paired them with an Alo MK 3 and an Algo Solo -db…the quality of the sound is quite breathtaking, however I have the set up on max and still want more volume!…can anyone guide me?
dalethorn
I had the HD800 for 3-1/2 years, but always underpowered myself. The interesting thing is, you can hear much of its superior detail on whatever amp you have, but when your power is limited then your dynamics are limited and you lose some of that detail. Most of the small amps – amps under $1000 are specified in milliwatts output in the midrange of ohms, and the HD800 needs more than that. There are a lot of desktop amps, most kind of pricy.
If I were determined to go cheap, I personally would get the O2 plus ODAC combo in a single enclosure. Above that price level you might go for one of the Bursons.
Marc
Dalethorn thanks…solid state or tubed?….my goal is to make my ears bleed or close to it, but obv clean….I also plugged straight into my amp, but quality dropped and levels did not appreciably rise, thanks again
dalethorn
Normally I prefer tubes, but the quality and details vary. Now if you have patience and money, the Blue Hawaii is a prize. The WA7 Fireflies is something I’d like to get. Sennheiser sells their DAC/amp for the 800 for $2000, and I’m sure it’s a good match to the HD800, but a good tube amp will be as good or better for a lot less. Most tube amps have lots of power, for the simple reason they need so much to heat the tubes. I haven’t heard most of the tube amps reviewed at headfonia, but there may be a few of those that would be good for the HD800, if you could narrow your choices.
Nickjan Glas
hey L, Dale, Nathan and others,
I have a question regarding my quest for a new headphone. In several reviews I have posted some ideas and questions and already got some useful insights, but to make sure I am headed in the right direction (and maybe get some more suggestions) I wanted to share where I am so far and ask what you guys think.
The aimed use is purely at home, with the Meijer Corda Classic and several sources. Analogue LP, Denon UD player with internal DAC and maybe in the future with an added dedicated desktop DAC. My current headphone with this setup is the B&O H6.
The music genre will be primarily if not exclusively (orchestral) classic, jazz, movie soundtracks. I expect the jazz and classical to be of above average recordings, the soundtracks I am not sure, but I imagine them also to be of above average quality.
For my main characteristics, I like detail (not too analytical but clear), not too much bass (has to be contributing and not overemphasized). Soundstage I like to be better than the H6 for this purpose and overall I like it to be an upgrade compared to the H6.
At the moment I have the sennheiser HD650 and Philips X2 as main candidates. (possibly the beyerdynamic DT770pro32 as extra) I have been looking at more high end headphones such as (but not particularly) audeze LCD XC, Hifiman HE-560, Denon D7100 (now on sale for 699) and fostex th600 etc.
With those higher end I have some reservation based on the corda review that the HE500 was not the best match with the Corda (possibly because being a planar?) and also because off the different price classes they are in.
I would appreciate any thoughts that might help me in this quest and maybe some other suggestions.
thanks in advance. NJ
dalethorn
Focus on the headphone first, with fewer limitations. Granted the headphone you get might not be perfect for all of your sources, but you can work that out in time. First get the headphone you want. Your genres reflect my main interests, and the H6 is nearly perfect for those, given its size and limitations. If I wanted a slight upgrade from the H6 my first thought would be the AKG K712. After that, a planar like the HE-560 or possibly the HE-400i. After that, maybe the LCD XC or whichever of those is on sale at the time. I think all of those will have a midrange that’s very good – better than the H6 – and the treble should be just as good, but don’t forget that even a couple of decibels up or down on the bass can really have an impact on the midrange tonality or the treble brightness. When you’re in the upper strata of sound, a little bit this way or that can make a big difference. Don’t be like some people and buy 100 headphones trying to find the perfect one – the better more expensive really are better, but perfection isn’t there. And don’t assume you can try a bunch of them in stores or meets – you can learn a lot in meets, but you won’t really have a final impression of the sound until you’re in a very quiet place with no distractions at all.
Nickjan Glas
Thanks for your insights. My amp was picked to match the H6, being neutral,clear and detailed. And that’s the direction I want to keep at this time.
The limitations of auditioning is indeed an issue, as most headphones are not in stores here and I can only listen to them at meets. (as far as I know). I am looking for a clear upgrade as I already love the H6, but I ll use that one mainly everywhere but home, with portable gear.
So based on your views (if I understand correctly) that would set me in the direction of the HE400i/560.
The review of the 560 appeals to me as I see some similarities with the H6. Also the comparisons with the 400i gives me the feel I like the linear of the 560 better with the orchestral music. The bass descriptions worries me a bit though. How does that compare to the H6? Since it influences treble as you say.
dalethorn
Oh, definitely the HE-560 – I only mentioned the 400 for budget reasons.
Nickjan Glas
Then the HE560 will also make my candidate list.
From the reviews I imagined that the X2 would also be better than the H6 overall, that is why I started out with the similarly priced headphones and that made my shortlist.
But a little more budget is no problem. If the audeze will come down a bit that will also be a candidate. So I ll keep a look out for reviews of the new one.
I will take my time as I will first do some more research into what I have, what I like and what I might want differently or improved exactly. And than on to find auditioning opportunities.
Thanks for your info, that already helped a lot.
InternetMythBuster
This is probably a really dumb question, please bear with it.
I’m not a huge audiophile but I do like & can tell when I hear audible difference in the quality of sound. This is for a desktop, I was looking into DACs and the FiiO E10K seems to to stand out, the price and the quality(according to your review) for a first timer who’s still a bit hesitant and a bit tight on budget.
My question is, I have a pair of HD202, they’re obviously not high end but I’m quite satisfied with them. Would I see(or hear in this case) a benefit if I used the aforementioned DAC instead of the generic onboard mobo soundcard? i.e. is pairing the HD202s to the E10K which is no high end setup. My uses are music, videogames, movies, etc
Thanks.
Headfonia_L.
We all have to start somewhere. Even with the E10K you will here a significant improvemend in sound stage and detail. It might not seem obvious in the beginning, but you’ll see that when you change back to how things now are after 2 weeks, you’ll be amazed
InternetMythBuster
Thank you, another question if I may. While currently I don’t find it affordable, if I were to get my hands on Objective2, would you consider that the better choice despite the H202s ‘quality’ so to speak, they’re cheap cans I mean. Trying to balance price/performance.
Headfonia_L.
I would stick to the E10K
dalethorn
Don’t buy just the O2 amp – you’d need the O2 plus ODAC. I think it would be better than the FiiO (although I didn’t have the ODAC at the time), but a much better idea would be to get the FiiO first, then wait and upgrade to something better than the O2/ODAC.
InternetMythBuster
Thanks L and dale.
dalethorn
That’s so true – you have to get used to the sound and then you’ll know what’s missing when you go back to the computer headphone jack.
Alton Britt
I have recently purchased a Phillips Fidelio X2 for $299.99 and a Sennheiser HD600 for $260.00 with the idea of returning one for a refund. My problem is that they are both so good that it is very difficult to make a choice! FYI, I have a Vali/Modi combo, a Fiio E12, will be receiving a Magni 2 tomorrow, and also possess the Beyer DT990 Pro/250. Based on what you know, which headphone should I keep? Thank you for your response; I have about 14 days to make a decision!
Eugen
You’re asking the internet to make a decision for you. Be a man and use your ears.
Headfonia_L.
true but some advice is always helpful
Eugen
What I gave was advice.
Headfonia_L.
I’d keep the X2 over the HD600. But the HD650 would be kept over the X2.
Larry
Hi,
So I have a CL Theorem which I bought to use for travel. It’s great with full size cans but I get a little bit of hiss with IEMs. The hiss isn’t too bad unless it’s really quiet and can can be overcome with an inline variable resistor. That being said the Theorem is a bit bulky and it has less real use for IEMs vs full size cans. Is there another DAC/AMP that would be more useful with Apple gear and IEMs? All my portable audio equipment is apple so the Picollo wouldn’t work (I don’t think). Thanks!
Larry
Headfonia_L.
Picollo plus CLAS SOLO would, all CL gear. And you won’t need a CCK!
melphoi
Hello.. I want to ask few questions before i decide to take a DAP for my daily use..
Currently I have Fiio E07K and I’m planning to take the X3 as my DAP, the questions are :
1.How is the result if I paired both of them via Line Out, is it getting better in all aspects or will it just doubled the amp which I think kind of waste
2.Should I just sell my E07K and instead take Fiio X5, as a note I’m in a bit tight budget, and if the X5 is slightly better than X3 in terms of sound quality, I’ll just take the X3 unless the X5 is far better than X3
Please forgive me for my english 🙂
Thanks in advance
dalethorn
In the ads sidebar, there’s an Oppo ad that cycles between three items – the third being what looks like a pocket music player with “Oppo” on its case. But the Oppo site doesn’t show this item at all??
Headfonia_L.
It’s the new amp Dale 🙂
dalethorn
It looks very cool – I wonder how it will perform.
Aris Darmawan
Hi, I want to change my shure SE 215 SPE tips. Do you have any tips recommended for my shure? I want tips which seal perfectly in my ear so I won’t listen any ambient noise.
DTSxJP
I need help deciding on a portable amp to pair with the Nano 6G. So which is better and wich one would you go with? Fiio E6 or the Topping NX1.
Markus Köhner
does anyone here have experience with the sennheiser cx980?
Steven LaPidus
Hello, I need your help in purchasing a new pair of head phones for my birthday. The last set I had was a Bose Noise Cancelling Set for when I travelled a huge amount on business especially on planes both large jets and small prop planes. I am now retired and I am partially deaf but am still interested in listening to high quality music. I am largely deaf in my right ear due to an acoustic neuroma. I hear approximately 20 percent in my right ear and it is very low quality. I do not hear much of the clear sound that defines the mid and high tones that would define voices or instruments. In my left ear I hear 45 percent but I can hear clearly the low mid and highs that defines the voices and instruments. When I am out and around I usually wear a Siemens behind the ear hearing aid with the RIC so that I can hear my wife talk to me, so I can hear conversations and so I can hear TV when sitting at home. At home I have a Yamaha receiver with B&W speakers and CD, DVD Audio and Blue Ray Audio players. I love to listen to Progressive Rock, such as Yes, ELP, Jethro Tull, and am a long term fan of Neil Young (I have seen him in concert over 50 times including at least once every time since 1976). I also play guitar in my church band and write music. I have a substantial collection of Jazz (Miles Davis, Big Band) and Classical (Full collection of Mozart, Haydn, Beethoven, Tschaikovsky, Vivaldi, Brahms,) with my favorite orchestras being the Academy of St. Martin in the Fields, and the larger Boston, NY, Philadelphia, Chicago, Atlanta, New World, LA, and other small groups. I enjoy listening to my CD collection over thousands of CD’s. I have a full collection of I Tunes. So I would like to get your recommendation for the following. I need a set of headphones that I can wear with my stereo when in the home now that my wife is working from home so that I can not bother her. Also when we take long drives in the car and I want to listen to my own music and the kids are listening to their own music I can listen in private from my computer collection. They should be comfortable because I am home on disability all day and the drives can be hours long. I would expect that they would be closed back. My expectation is that I would not have to wear my hearing aid with them so that they could cover my ears. Even though I have failing hearing I have a high quality collection of audio sources such as FLAC sources.. I was also thinking of buying one of the Fiio X1 devices or the Pono devices from Neil to add to my stereo system. I do have an I Phone that I use with my I Tunes collection. I was thinking of maybe a Sennheisser HD 280. I would appreciate your advice.
dalethorn
The advice has to come primarily from your audiologist. Once the audiologist has described the parameters of the headphone, then someone here can help you narrow the choices.
Marc
Dalethorn, you responded to me before regarding my new hd 800 and were quite helpfully… I’m thinking on a shiit lyr 2 amp to power my phones and wanted feedback…also, I have an Alo -db dac and wonder if they work together and what u thought about the set up….thanks in advance…
dalethorn
It seems from what I can find that the Lyr2 would be a good match for the low end of the HD800, but the dry thin treble that Mike described might (or might not) work well. The HD800’s detail and sparkle will be heard on probably any amp, but a good amp that matches the HD800’s needs would be best. The only recommendations I can make after being away from the HD800 for 18 months now would be to get a decent tube amp, and the Lyr2 might get you there if you are willing to experiment with different tubes. Start with the stock tubes and then as time goes on try something different. The ALO DAC I don’t know, but I had the ALO Island and the DAC in it was very good.
Marc
Ur kind…Steve G at CNET reviewed the lyr 2 nicely and the price was good…I was looking for something in that range…
socks mk2
Hello, I’m considering swapping from an HD600 to an HD650 and would like your advice. I have recently read Mike’s ‘Old School Trio’ & ‘Sennheiser Trio’, Dave’s ‘Sennheiser HD650 Review’ and Lieven’s ‘Philips Fidelio X2 Review’. Originally I was looking into replacing my HD600’s headband with a HD650 headband due to hotspots, but at $130 I didn’t see the value in it. This led me to look into just flat out selling my HD600 and buying a HD650. Before I forget, thank you for doing the reviews.
Aside from my HD600, I also own or have owned pairs of Beyerdynamic DT770/250, Beyerdynamic DT990/600, AKG Q701, AKG K7XX (massdrop) and Philips Fidelio X2 headphones. I have some Westone W40 IEM’s for isolation/portable use. I’m selling every pair except the X2 and W40. It took me a long time to figure out that I don’t like bumpy headbands, harsh treble, sibilance or a poor seal for my head size/shape. I want to just sit back, relax and enjoy the music when listening. Only the X2 and W40 deliver on that so far. I currently own a Schiit Modi + Asgard 2 and almost exclusively listen to CD rips (320 kbps mp3’s if I must).
I kinda need the X2 for the low impedance and 3.5 mm connector as the PS4 won’t allow for a HD650 due to the way it’s party chat options work. I plan on attaching a v-moda boom pro microphone to the X2 just so I can talk with friends while gaming on the PS4. I have a Blue Mic Yeti as well, so that won’t be an issue on the PC.
I guess my first question is do you suppose the HD650 and it’s different headband would avoid hotspots you may get from a HD600? For instance my Beyer’s don’t cause this issue, but the Q701 sure does. Second question is do you think my Modi + Asgard 2 would play nice with the HD650? Lastly, would you recommend against buying a HD650 if I’m keeping my X2? I think I would use them both depending on what I’m doing, but the HD650 is more limited to my PC exclusively. I’m a PC gamer first, but some friends are stuck with consoles and I accommodate to their platform to play with them too.
I apologize if my post is rather long, but I think being specific will help you help me. Thank you for reading and I appreciate any and all replies. Cheers!
Xavier Hill Wilson
Any new of the audeze el8 from you guys? Have any of you tried it? Any idea when a review will come?
Headfonia_L.
From what I know they won’t be available before April. We have requested a review sample but no news yet.
foxesandcats
Hello 🙂 love your site, deeply informative. I’m in the market for some new earphones! My most recent pair were the excellent Phonak PFE232s. Albeit great, I found them lacking in bass and always felt a little frustrated by them. It’s like I knew their potential but I could just never get it through the inability to create a perfect seal etc. Anyway, so after an expensive trip to a coffee shop in which I left them on the counter ;( , I now need a new pair and am willing to spend on a pair in the range of Westone W40, Earsonics SM64 or the Nuforce Primo 8s. Which would you recommend most, or is there another pair I am overlooking? I mainly listen to house, techno, hip-hop, disco, funk, soul and drum and bass but delve into every genre at some point. I’d really appreciate you’re feedback! Thank you
Guest
@headfonia_lieven:disqus any chance you could offer your opinion? thanks 🙂
Headfonia_L.
Hi, thanks for the compliment. I’m actually thinking of recommending you a custom IEM. In this price range you can get a custom 4 driver that would be great for your genres. Check out 1964Ears Quad or the Cosmic Ears CE4E.
Or do you really want universals?
foxesandcats
Thanks so much for responding, didn’t mean to send you 2 requests! I’m not really looking for universals specifically, just want the best sound for my money! So if you recommend those 2 particular headphones then I’ll check them out. I can only find CE4P online, are they much different? is there also a huge jump in quality for the 6’s?
Headfonia_L.
Here’s the other one: https://www.1964ears.com/product/1964-Qi-Custom-In-Ear-Monitor
CE4E is the CE4P with extra bass, he only makes those on request
The 6 is better ideed but it’s more expensive, a 4 driver is very nice sounding though, I love mine
foxesandcats
Amazing, thank you! I’ve sent them a request and I’ll let you know how I get on!
Headfonia_L.
great, keep us posted. Tell CE, L sent you 😉
foxesandcats
@headfonia_lieven:disqus Any chance you could offer me your advice? Thanks 🙂
dalethorn
Anyone know about this new ‘Carbon’ headphone, made in England/U.K.?
http://www.angleandcurve.com
Headfonia_L.
Not me. first I see
dalethorn
I ordered one last week. Could be a huge disappointment, but I’ll let you know.
dalethorn
I got the CarbonCans a few days ago, and here’s the news:
http://www.hifiheadphones.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=4223
Xavier Hill Wilson
Best closed headphones (need isolation), for electronic and hiphop (need good bass). For $150 USD. Looking at custom one pros.
Headfonia_L.
Depends on your setup. COP could be good
Xavier Hill Wilson
Wasn’t very detailed sorry. I’m looking for something that can be played on PA2V2 as well as my parents nad amp with these specs.
NAD 3240PE
Power output: 40 watts per channel into 8Ω (stereo)
Frequency response: 20Hz to 20kHz
Total harmonic distortion: 0.03%
Damping factor: 50
Input sensitivity: 3.5mV (MM), 160mV (line)
Signal to noise ratio: 76dB (MM), 102dB (line)
Source is ipod classic most likely.
dalethorn
COP is still a great choice, especially for the little amp. Watch out when using the NAD that there are no power spikes that could hurt the headphone. If you plug into the NAD with no music playing and you hear some background noise at a normal position of the volume control, then you’re getting too much power. But, it might be Ok, so check it out.
socks mk2
Source: Schiit Modi/Asgard 2
Headphones + gripe:
DT770 = boring.
DT990 = harsh treble, sibilant, awful.
K712/K7XX = poor seal, too large.
Q701 = skull decimating hotspot, poor seal, too large.
HD 600 = moderate hotspot.
X2 = none.
I enjoyed the sound signature of the K7XX and K712, but they were too large. My DT770/990 fit great, but neither are enjoyable. My HD600 is maybe too neutral for my liking. I’ve read up on the HD650 and seen a few comparisons to the K702 annies and the K712. Their similarities have piqued my interest. As far as hotspots go, I don’t think the HD650 will cause one.
I listen to a lot of punk rock, rock, metal, edm, trance, house and 95% of that is male vocals. A lot of it is also poorly mastered unfortunately. The K712, K7XX, HD600 and X2 handle them in a way that doesn’t cause me to cringe every 3 seconds. I do listen to some other genres, but not as much.
Needless to say, I’m looking into buying an HD650 next and “cleaning house”. Would you recommend me some different pairs of headphones? Do you think the HD650 would be a good choice for me despite being “slow”?
Headfonia_L.
To me your “problem” is more with the Schiit gear in stead of with the headphones
I wouldn’t really recommend the HD650 for speedy music. Maybe the X2 is more your thing, and it’s easy to drive with those amps
socks mk2
If it’s the modi/Asgard 2 clashing with the sound signature of the headphones I’ve been trying, I would be willing to scrap them both. I’ve only been pursuing this hobby for about 11 months now. I swapped from a magni to Asgard 2 for the active pre-amp as I also own some KRK Rokit 8G3’s (studio monitors). I’m selling every pair on that list except the X2, so if I sold my modi, Asgard 2, FiiO E18 and old asus soundcard… I might have a decent budget.
If the HD650’s are no good for my usage, do you know of anything to send my way? I highlighted some comfort concerns due to size or hotspots. Is there anything else similar to or “better” than an AKG K712/Annie for my taste in music that you would recommend? My old ATH-M50s were wayyy too small, but AKG anything are slightly too large. Beyers touch all sides of my ear, but don’t cause discomfort. I do enjoy my new X2, but I’m not sure I want to stop with just them. I don’t think they’ll scale too much.
As for dacs, amps, op-amps and the like I’m pretty much uniformed on what does what well other than matching mW/Vrms and impedance.
I appreciate your input. Thanks again. If my request is too large, just let me know and I’ll understand too.
MennatAllah Humaid
Hey! What do you think of the klipsch x11i?
I’m thinking of getting them but I’m not sure if they are one of the best choices.
Headfonia_L.
no idea actually, sorry
dalethorn
Got the FiiO E17k – so far I’ve just listened with the iPod Touch previous edition (iOS 6.x) with the L3 LOD cable, and compared it to the FiiO E07k, both on Aux input and all tone controls at zero, gain==6. I was surprised at the tonality difference – could be the E17k will burn-in and change a little. The difference isn’t huge at this point – the E17k sounds slightly ‘bigger’ – mostly I think the mids are emphasized slightly compared to the E07k. It almost makes the E07k sound a little less life-like going back to it, but OTOH the E17k may sound a bit too ‘crispy’ on music that’s marginal for sibilants and other such stuff.
dalethorn
I posted a review of the late Joe Grado’s operatic CD at Amazon:
http://www.amazon.com/Joseph-Grado-Ultimate-Dramatic-Neopolitan/dp/B00GJ65Y14/ref=cm_cr-mr-title#customerReviews
socks mk2
I’m looking for a new DAC and AMP. I have a budget of somewhere between $700 and $1100 USD. My current daily driver is a pair of Philips Fidelio X2’s. I have some Westone W40’s and KRK Rokit 8G3’s (studio monitors) that I use as well.
I listen to a lot of punk rock, rock, hardcore and metal. On occasion I’ll listen to dnb, trance, house and electro. A large majority of my music collection consists of male vocalists. I listen to 16/44.1 cd FLAC rips or the cd’s themselves. My edm collection is lossy between 256 kbps and 320 kbps. Some examples of my favorite artists/bands would be Finch, Disturbed, Taking Back Sunday, Blink-182, Sum 41, Avenged Sevenfold, 30 Seconds to Mars and Muse.
I would like to avoid dry, analytical sound. A more dynamic, musical sound is preferable; at least that is my understanding for my preference in music. A pre-amp for the Rokit’s would be great on either the dac or amp. The Rokit’s inputs consist of RCA, 1/4″ TRS and XLR (any of the three are fine).
Any and all suggestions are appreciated.
Xavier Hill Wilson
Asked yesterday about getting cop, i’ve read some reviews and i’m not so sure.. I’ve heard good things about the Beyerdynamic DT 770 PRO 250 ohms, are they outdated? Also any news on the ATH MSR7s?
dalethorn
The relatively new Beyer DT770-32 ohm is a real pro headphone. As good as the COP is, it’s not something pro recording engineers are going to use for monitoring.
Xavier Hill Wilson
So would you go with the 250 ohm or the 32 ohm driving mostly out of this beast
NAD 3240PE
Power output: 40 watts per channel into 8Ω (stereo)
Frequency response: 20Hz to 20kHz
Total harmonic distortion: 0.03%
Damping factor: 50
Input sensitivity: 3.5mV (MM), 160mV (line)
Signal to noise ratio: 76dB (MM), 102dB (line)
But also sometimes out of a fiio e11 or JDS Labs CMoyBB or PA2V2
So which version would you got with and which amp would you get for it?
Headfonia_L.
Your numbers are for the speaker output I suppose. will you be running it from the speaker taps?
dalethorn
One person who occasionally posts here is Donunus (hope I spelled it right), and he has noted in the recent past his experiences with vintage receivers and using headphones from their headphone jacks. I would never run from speaker taps unless a box were made for that purpose, since transients can cause damage to you and the drivers. The sound from their headphone jacks is often very compelling, since it’s usually a more analog-like sound – warmer, more impact etc. – especially in the bass. But I wouldn’t unless it were an important economic choice. I think that a low-cost tube amp like the Bravo Ocean would give you better sound than those headphone jacks, unless there were a reason to skip tubes entirely and just go to a solid state headphone amp.
dalethorn
A week or two ago I compared the FiiO E07k (which I’ve heard sounds slightly better than the E17 that was available at that time) to the new E17k, and using analog inputs the E17k has slightly more output in the vocal midrange, and a more ‘present’ sound, which I like. As best I could compare using them as USB DACs on my computer (I’m not able to switch between them instantly), the E17k has a bigger soundstage with significantly more presence, although that presence doesn’t sound like an emphasis. I didn’t compare the E17k to the Microstreamer or other DACs I have, but I’m very happy with the sound I am getting.
Xavier Hill Wilson
Will alpha dogs have enough bass for dubstep trap and hip/hop?
dalethorn
If you get the bass ports advanced a couple of settings on the original Alpha Dog, it might work. Mine was set to the low setting and the bass was very weak. I never figured out how to reset them and I was worried about the warning that came with it.
Xavier Hill Wilson
That’s a bitch… What would you recommend for those genre in closed back non sound leaking headphone, for about 312 USD. The alpha dogs are sort of a long way of my budget. I’m so nervous about buying lol, i’ve been thinking about it for ages and as a teenager I have shit all money. What would you say is best bang for buck? Dt770 32 ohm?
Headfonia_L.
I think the Beyerdynamic COP would be ideal. more so than the DT770/32
dalethorn
Yes, good – does the bass good. I still have my COP in rotation.
dalethorn
Almost forgot – the Mad Dogs are half the AD price – same configuration, but with much better bass and a much better balanced treble too (not bright, not harsh). The Beyer COP is MUCH more portable though.
Tibor
Hello, I am thinking of getting myself a new home desktop head setup which will last for some years. So as a dac for pc I am thinking of Chord 2Qute (Hugo inside) and amp Violectric V200. Please tell me what do you think and maybe some other suggestions? Headphones I have are Fidelio X1, Aedle, AKG K7XX. I’ll will add some planars later, first I would like to have a proper rig, which will work with more headphones. Currently I am using Alo The PanAm. Thank you for your opinions. 🙂 Tibor
Headfonia_L.
Sounds like a plan to me Tibor. Just one remark. once you have the olanars you will maybe want to go balanced, and in that case the DAC and V200 won’t help you. But very good setup indeed
Tibor
It is a plan, it is 😀 My girlfriend doesn’t know yet
Headfonia_L.
Second hand?
Tibor
I don’t like second hand in these things, but well OK, so once you would like to sell yours, let me know 🙂
Headfonia_L.
hahaha, I only just bought it man! I understand though, I normally don’t do second hand either
fiasco1
Do you have any plans to review the Sony NW ZX2 any time in the near future? Thanks!
Headfonia_L.
Sure. Buy me one, ship it over here, wait a month and hop, review
😉
fiasco1
The short answer would be “No”.
Headfonia_L.
That goes for me as well
DTSxJP
Which amp is better for IEMs, JDS Labs CMOYBB V2.03, Fiio E11K or Fiio E12A?
Jonathan
Dear Nathan/Lieven,
I would like to ask for some recommendations for DAP pairings with the S-EM6. At the current moment I am using a 6th gen Pod Classic as my source and the Headstage Arrow 4G as my accompanying amp. I am currently looking at these three DAPs: iBasso DX90, Hidizs AP100, and the Fiio X3 2nd gen (of which I haven’t been able to find reviews).
My current priorities are as follows (listed in order):
1)bang for buck
2)synergy with the S-EM6 (any hissing, impedance matching etc)
3)Ability to scale with other higher end gear in the future.
Which of the three would you recommend? Sorry for any inconvenience caused, and I eagerly await your reply.
Thank you.
Best regards,
J
Headfonia_L.
I would advice going the Cypherlabs route, especially when you’re going for higher end gear in the future. So a CLAS SOLO + Duet with your iPod classic. It’s the most reference and desktop quality portable setup I have. Yes, better than the AK240 solo.
Bang for buck: DX90, but then you would still have an issue in the future. The DX90 is the quietest DAP though, a plus for iems.
I wouldn’t recommend the X3
Jonathan
Hi Lieven, thanks for your reply. I did a bit of research regarding the stack you suggested. It’s a little thick though…Is there a more compact option on the market?
Headfonia_L.
Chord Hugo?
dalethorn
I just got my second B&W P7, but this time with Audioforge I can make a more accurate assessment of its sound. Basically it’s a little weak in ‘presence’ (3-6 khz) and a little distant (recess in midrange). The bass is better than I remember the first P7.
Haryanto Suryonoto
Second P7? Wow! *thumbs up*
Xavier Hill Wilson
Hey, is there any point in getting ciem if i can only spend around 450USD? What would you reccomend.
Headfonia_L.
of course, check out Cosmic Ears CE4P!
Miles Jason Romain
I’m using the Sennheiser HD 439 right now on my cell. Iv settled on the ibasso dx90 for my dap. My budget is about $400 for IEM’s. There are so many to choose from. Which ones do you recommend.
Headfonia_L.
what music do you listen to? What sound do you want?
Miles Jason Romain
All types. mostly rock, pop, hip hop. Deep bass, forward midrange, clear high’s
Miles Jason Romain
All types but mostly rock, pop, hip hop. Id like deep bass, forward mids, clear highs.
Miles Jason Romain
Would the Vorzüge Pure ii and my cell be a better combo then the ibasso dx90 ?
Headfonia_L.
Not if you’re using your phone’s DAC
Alfred Tolentino
Any experience with the Mcintosh D100?
Miles Jason Romain
No, but I’m looking for something portable.
Miles Jason Romain
The more reading I do the more confused I get so I will put my question this way. What is the best Amp/Dac combo for $800. I’m using Sennheiser HD439 until I can find some earphones that have a similar sound signature just better. If I use my cell as a source will it impact the sound quality?
dalethorn
Probably this: http://www.headfonia.com/cypher-labs-theorem-720-dac/
Apple phones will limit quality to CD quality unless you use special apps that containerize hires tracks – not very convenient.
Miles Jason Romain
I sure will thanks. I came across these two Daps. I was wondering what opinions people had on them compared to the Theorem
http://www.ctcaudio.com/products/cayin-n6?gclid=CMj72eadwMQCFZGIaQodkQQAKQ
http://www.headfonia.com/audiophile-dap-2-0-ibassos-dx100/
dalethorn
—Not replying to your question, just adding a question of my own. I have about 2300 songs on my Apple players, which I need to select randomly and very quickly, across genres and other categories. Playlists have little use for me when selecting this way, so I depend on the A to Z buttons on the Apple players to get somewhere very quickly. I read through the 2 links you posted, at the 3-year-old DX100 and the newer N6, and nothing was said about how to get to a specific song quickly. I want to mention also that the FiiO X3 I had was a disaster – not only was it not possible to get to something quickly, but startup access to the plugin card was at least 30 seconds, every time. So your requirements may not be like this at all, but at least these reviews should mention exactly what it takes to find a song, worst case.
Miles Jason Romain
I liked the review on the Theorem 720. My concern is the issue with hiss when using sensitive IEM’s. Id like to use them at some point in the future. My question is what would I look for when I’m shopping around for IEM’s so I don’t buy a pair that are too sensitive ?
dalethorn
I did a size compare of the 720, Oppo HA2 (which I ordered), and v-moda Verza (which I use now). The 720 weighs 10 oz as compared to the other 2, which are about 6.5 oz each. The 720 is 29 mm thick, as compared to the other 2 (12 mm and 17 mm). So it’s not a pocket portable unless you have cargo pants etc. I’ll see if I can check the HA2 for hiss with some IEMs.
Miles Jason Romain
Wow, the Oppo HA2 sounds great. How do you find the v-moda Verza ?
dalethorn
The Verza is very good, a little dark (good) – no complaints. The HA2 arrives tomorrow, so I’ll compare it then. The only fair comparison I’ve done so far is the Verza to the Beyer A200p, which sound similar, but the A200p seems rougher, as though it has more distortion. I think the main thing dictating the sound of these amps with Apple players is the Apple digital out – it’s not great in resolution, but it’s very smooth – on the Verza anyway. Now with the Verza there is only one volume control – on the Verza, but with the A200p the player volume is linked to the amp volume, which may have to do with the inferior sound quality. So we will see when the HA2 arrives, allowing some burn-in time.
Miles Jason Romain
I think my cell phone with Poweramp installed would be far better than an ipod or a dap. Can’t wait for the comparison
dalethorn
Yes, the music player makes a difference. Theoretically it shouldn’t, since it sends the raw digital data to the DAC, but somehow it does anyway.
Headfonia_L.
Dale is right, check out the Theorem. Love it.
socks mk2
Apologies if this is a bit wordy. I have a couple of questions for curiosity sake. I realize some of the questions can/will be effected by synergy with headphones and personal preference.
1) Have you ever auditioned an Oppo HA-1 before?
> assuming you have:
2) What do you think of the HA-1 as a DAC compared to a RL Concero HD?
3) What do you think of the HA-1 as an AMP compared to a Violectric V100?
4) Do yo think the HA-1, being an AIO, is as good (or better/worse) than say a Concero HD + V100 pairing?
I completely overlooked the Oppo HA-1 when I was looking at gear the other month. I purchased a Matrix Mini-i Pro (2015) and Violectric V100 and am enjoying what I’m getting from them. At ~$1300 USD for the Mini-i Pro + V100, I’m curious as to how the HA-1 performs at a similar $1200 USD.
You can skip reading this last bit as it may be irrelevant if you’re familiar with the products mentioned above. If not, this is what I’ve noticed when comparing them: The key differences to me are the fact the HA-1 is an AIO, the HA-1 (and Concero HD) utilizes an ESS 9018 dac chip compared to the Pro’s ESS 9016, the HA-1’s single ended + balanced headphone in vs. the V100’s (2x) single ended only headphone ins, OSD information being displayed, HA-1’s bluetooth and USB in for iOS devices.
Headfonia_L.
Reply to question 1: No, I have not.
(makes answering all the other question redundant)
Miles Jason Romain
Any chance of you guys reviewing the Cayin N6 ?
Headfonia_L.
Yep. It’s on the planning
Tim
Have you tried DT990 pro?
dalethorn
I got the Edifier H850 headphone from Massdrop early today (16 hours ago), and it’s just amazing. You can hold a Bose QC25 in one hand and the H850 in the other and see the incredible similarities. The Bose is a little heavier, feels more luxurious on the head, but the earpads are about the same for each headphone. The Bose sound is a little more neutral, but not by much, and given equal or better detail with the Edifier, the QC25’s background hiss, and the fact that Bose gets its near-neutral sound from a DSP, I think the Edifier is a better sound all-around.
Miles Jason Romain
Any recommendations on 1) neutral sounding IEM’s under $500, And 2) neutral sounding portable headphones under $500 ? I haven’t decided which yet. Thanks
dalethorn
The Bose QC25 is neutral enough, but gets its neutral signature via its DSP, so that’s a guarded recommendation. The Adele VK-1 is very good, but may have comfort issues. The B&O H6 is fairly neutral but has an upper mids coloration – not offensive, but not perfect pitch either. The B&W P7 is close, having mainly a mid-treble recess that makes it a little distant. The Beyer T51p gets a lot of love here, but the cable is very thin and the sound a little treble-shy and uneven. The Shure 840 is fairly neutral but doesn’t have as much detail as these others. The Shure 940 has loads of detail, but may be too bright for some people, and it’s slightly bulky. The Senn Momentum is nice, but not flat in the upper treble – a little shy there. The Thinksound ON1 is good I think, but may be a bit too dark and bassy for some. Most of the others I’ve had (Beyer DT770 etc.) just aren’t neutral, and I think are too bulky, but some people like them anyway.
socks mk2
Now that I have narrowed down my headphone and earphone collection to only my Fidelio X2, on occasion I do wish I had a more aggressive alternative for rock/metal when I want to listen to it that way. I’d want to avoid v-shape signatures, on-ear, in-ear, AKG (size/fit), Sennheiser (laid-back/slow), and harsh/hot treble (i.e. a DT990, Grado). As for detail/clarity, I wouldn’t rule out a headphone just for that depending on price. Not sure on closed back either.
I think a T90 would be too piercing due it’s treble spike/peak. A T1 has a lesser treble spike/peak and I hear it’s aggressive, energetic and delivers a fast response. T1 might have good synergy with my Mini-i Pro + V100. I’ve never tried an ortho. The HE-400i, while not a flagship, might be worth a try despite less detail/clarity than the HE-560. Any suggestions to read up on or look into? I’m not in a rush to make a decision.
Headfonia_L.
How about the HD600?
socks mk2
I just recently sold my last two headphones. Those being the HD600 and DT990/600. The HD600 while being more neutral and having more treble presence than the X2, also felt more lalaid-back and less lively. Ultimately lacked energy I wanted I suppose. They also caused a hotspot. :/
dalethorn
Maybe the Shure SRH 940 or 1440 – both pretty aggressive and bright, but smoother treble than the Beyers.
socks mk2
Thanks for the suggestions. A quick search for them sounds like they have potential to be good options as an alternative. I’ll have to do a more thorough reading up on them when I get time over the weekend.
dalethorn
The 940 review was posted here in 2011 (“The Detail Monster”), and the 1440 as near as I could tell from listening, was pretty similar, but better built for durability. The 1840, in spite of being measured nearly flat, had some recess in the low-mid treble, which I could get used to, but it goes the opposite way from where you’re looking. There were some good deals on the 1440 recently, but I haven’t seen a big discount on the 940 for 2 years.
socks mk2
I’m pretty positive I’ll try for the SRH-940 in a closed back design. Open back, T1 is still the most likely. T1 vs T90, if I have learned anything, buy the one you want the first time; no buyer’s remorse that way. HE-400i may be too similar to the X2.
I can probably overlook the hot treble to an extent for the raw emotion I’m wanting/looking for from my music collection. Laid-back just isn’t good for that kind of connection with all of the various sub-genres in both rock and metal. I can listen all day without fatigue on an HD600 and X2, but it’s more of a passive listen than an active one if that makes sense.
The X2’s not bad by any means, I’d just like to be able to switch it up. Two (or three) headphones should do the trick. Open X2 for a laid-back, smooth, balanced, warm-ish, fun approach. SRH-940 for a closed back, isolating, potential on-the-go option even. T1 for an open back, aggressive, energetic, neutral to a point, treble-tilted option for when I want that emotion evoking response while listening.
A large majority of my time is spent listening to hard rock, alternative rock, punk rock, nu metal, alternative metal, heavy metal, metalcore, post-hardcore and pop punk/rock. On occasion I’ll listen to electronic music (X2 delivers!) including edm, house, trance, dnb, electro, big room, etc.
Thanks for suggesting the Shure options again. I would’ve never come across them on my own. ^^
Estou Farto
I have a fiio e17 and i want a upgrade, i mostly use it with my iem’s (jvc fxt200 and my sennheiser 598), but i cant understand if i should get he JDS C5D or the ALO Island as they are the same price in my country. Could some1 help?
Estou Farto
For some reason my question disappeared, so ill try again. i have a sennheiser 598 and iem jvc fxt200 and i currently have a Fiio E17 and looking for an upgrade and i saw the reviews on this site and i cant decide between the ALO Island and the JDS C5D, if some1 could help i would be thankful.
Kevin Setiadi
need a dac/amp for my Audeze LCD-X. I’ve tried Grace Design M903 (nothing special imo), WA6 (hated it, too mellow), and Aurender Flow (it’s a good pairing, but I wonder if I can get a better sounding desktop dac/amp for the same price).
What do you think of these dac/amps?
* Chord Hugo
* Cypherlabs Theorem 720
* Burson Conductor Virtuoso
* Alo Pan Am
Headfonia_L.
Hugo is pretty darm good but it’s a lighter and very clear sound
THeorem is always awesome with Audeze: good body and bass
Kevin Setiadi
Thanks. What do you think of the Pan Am? I hated the WA6.
All I want is a better bass impact.
Headfonia_L.
I never liked the Pan Am. Especially it’s bass impact was too little for me personally
Kevin Setiadi
I found a Conductor Virtuoso for sale with the same price as Chord Hugo. Which one would you recommend for LCD-X? I don’t really need portability, so sound quality is the only consideration.
Headfonia_L.
Haven’t heard the Virtuoso
Marinater
hi i’,m currently using a Brainwavz M4. After i got an ATH M50, i kinda feel indifferent about my M4.
what IEMs do you suggest that have a similar sound signature to the M50, which this site refers to as the ‘monitoring’ type?
my budget would be $100 or below.
Thank you!
Headfonia_L.
I’m not really aware of all budget universal IEMs, but maybe the Brainwavz M2 or one of Hifiman’s IEMs
Dave Ulrich
I can vouch for the RE-400. However, I don’t like it as much when not connected to the HM-700 as they synergy is perfect.
dalethorn
I just got the AIAIAI TMA-2 modular kit. So exciting….
Gotti G.
is that it?
http://www.alecmomont.com/cases/gridheadphone
dalethorn
What I see at that link looks like a prototype, but not the same, or not exactly. The official version won’t be released until Wed. 15 April, at which time I will post my video and text summary. It is pretty cool…
dalethorn
Video is online at youtube.
JoeP
One of the things I see a lot in your reviews is “XX headphone is great, unless you like EDM/Trance or Fast Rock”
My questions is are there any headphones which pop out as good for that type of music? Something that will be the opposite of my HD650’s, Looking for Full-sized around $500.
thanks again for the hard work
Syed Hakimiey
Quick question : Will Audio Technica IM50 IEM suits for rock, progressive, pop punk, alternative rock genres? like songs from this band, The All American Rejects, Hollywood Undead, MCR, The red jumpsuit apparatus, simple plan, good charlotte to tell some. I want to hear every instruments especially when lots instruments rumbling at the same time. Thanks
DTSxJP
I currently use the iPod Nano 3G as the source with compact discs ripped to AAC 320. I have the Koss PortaPro and will eventually get the Xaiomi Pistions 3. I recently purchased the Fiio E11K and to my ears it’s a little muddy to me. So I was wondering if JDS Labs CMOYBB v2.03 would be a better option instead?
Carl A
Greeting L,
I just wondered if you could share your thoughts and give me the benefit of your experience using the iPod Classic (which I know you like) as part of a portable rig.
I’ve just bought a new Classic and basically wondered what your recommendations would be regarding two or perhaps three options as good partnering amps/dacs to use with it?
Ideally I’d like just one device to sit alongside it (but two could be considered if funds permitted) and for it to be a big step up from FiiO-level sq, but not too expensive. So I suppose I’m going to be looking to not spend more than say four, five hundred pounds or so.
So if you could suggest a few options I’d really appreciate it. And do you think that my price ceiling maybe does limit (even though for me that’s a lot of money) my aspirations to be much better than FiiO level?
Lastly, I’m looking for a new pair of headphones, one for home and one for out and about.
The home one I’m thinking of is the Beyer T90 and I’ve read that they’re difficult to partner, equipment-wise? Thoughts of Classic + T90 = ?
Many thanks for your time and considerations.
Be well.
Headfonia_L.
For the classic you have several options like Cypherlabs ‘clas solo’ or ‘Theorem’ and the Centrance Hifi-m8 (mini). Then there’s a whole bunch of options that require a cck for it to work with the Classic.
T90 + Ipod directly is not advised, I would recommend a powerfule and warmer amp for it like the Duet or so many others.
nullified
AK JR is around the corner, and ready for pre orders, any speculations?
Headfonia_L.
On paper it doesn’t look that impressive and I don’t think it will be close to the 120ii and 240 sounder wise. Design wise I quite like it. We should be receiving a sample as soon as they’re available
nullified
maybe the dx90 a better option?
Headfonia_L.
see above
nullified
how about a DX90? i heard so many things about it
and one of my beloved audio shop uses DX90 as their reference audio source for headphone demo, so that’s gotta be something
Headfonia_L.
We won’t know till I get it. I like the DX90 a lot
nullified
at least iBasso has Paul who is the support on head fi, and he is active in the DX90, a brand with an active support really helps solve many things, better than some that just sells and thats about it
martinfuhs
I do appreciate my iPod Touch 5G everyday. Matched with my Oppp-HA2 it’s an wonderful Combo. Its small, thin and good to stack with the Oppo-HA2. I use it with my Shure SRH440 (which is, by the way, an incredible bang for the buck) and my Sennheiser IE80.
Soundwise the iPod is already great out of the box, with no external amp or dac. I had an DX90 (which sounds a bit like the Oppo-HA2), an Fiio X5 and an AK 100II and just kept the iPod, because at least for me, its the perfect Match.
dalethorn
I have 2 iPod Touches that I use with the HA-2, and I had the 440 for awhile too. As headphones go, the Shure 440 has a fairly neutral signature.
martinfuhs
thats correct. the 440 is very neutral sounding. this is the reason why i keep coming back to the 440. I have the feeling, that this is the sound that was intended when the music was mixed.
dalethorn
I had the 440 and 840 at the same time, and there’s definitely a diminishing return in paying double for the 840, but it would be interesting if you could ever compare them just to see.
ro
I have the Theorem 720 and love it, and will soon be trying out the Audeze LCD lineup. If more amp power was needed, using the Theorem as DAC source, which dedicated amplifier would you recommend to power LCD-2/X (and HD600) as well as other orthos? Would Burson SoloistSL be a good match with Theorem as source? (Doesn’t need to be portable.)
While I appreciate how the Theorem drives my SRH1540 and HD600, I have tried a couple portable amp/DAC combos that provided a “fuller” sound but couldn’t match the Theorem’s sonic sweetness.
I will try the LCDs with just the Theorem and will base possible purchasing decision on that combo, but good to know in advance how the setup could be enhanced later on.
Also want to give a shout-out to Senn HD26 Pro, so far closest to what I’ve been wanting to hear unamped out of iDevices. I think it sounds better (“bigger” & clearer resolution) than latest Momentum 2.0 over-ear but totally loses out on sexiness.
dalethorn
My HD26 Pro was emphasized in the low treble and a little recessed above that – similar in some ways to the Momentum, which surprised me. But physically it was one of my all-time favorites.
Jonathan Carter
What is the best PORTABLE amp for Sennheiser HD 650’s that is under 300$? I travel alot so i can’t always have a amp sitting at a desk. So i was wondering what the best portable amp would be. i have read alot and im just at a loss. I listen to alot of heavy music but i also enjoy classical, adele, and sometimes rap. Focus is on accurate sound! Help is very appreciated!
dalethorn
What is your source?
Jonathan Carter
MY galaxy s5 phone, but if you recommend a duo that is still under 300$ I am all game to do that. I just need it to be portable and the more accurate and clear the better! 🙂 I use krk monitor speakers at my house. But i do listen to heavy music, classical, adele, and minimal rap.
dalethorn
Oppo HA-1, the first DAC/amp that I’ve heard that’s under $300 that actually sounds good.
Jonathan Carter
from what i can tell that amp isnt portable or under 300$ it looks like it is 1199$
Headfonia_L.
HA-2
dalethorn
OOPSIE!!
Jonathan Carter
Alright ty guys!
Jonathan Carter
MY galaxy s5 phone, but if you recommend a duo that is still under 300$ I
am all game to do that. I just need it to be portable and the more
accurate and clear the better! 🙂 I use krk monitor speakers at my
house. But i do listen to heavy music, classical, adele, and minimal
rap.
Scott Cameron Weaver
What portable amp/DAC do you recommend to drive Future Sonics MG5Pro custom IEMs with source from an iPhone 6 and an iPod Classic (5.5 Enhanced)? I would like to run both sources through the DAC. Thanks!
Headfonia_L.
Cypherlabs CLAS SOLO + Picollo/Alo Rx
socks mk2
What do you suppose is the best AIO tabletop dac/amp (or dac/amp/pre) if you’re using only low impedance headphones (ex. Philips Fidelio X2, Fostex TH900, Ultrasone Signature Pro)? I know synergy can be a factor, but in terms of SNR, DNR, black background, actual SQ, etc.
socks mk2
Short, quality XLR interconnect recommendations for a balanced connection between a Mini-i Pro -> HPA V100 stacked on top of eachother?
Elliot
Hi. I’ve heard the ath m50x and really loved the sound so much but can’t afford them just now. Just wondering what other lower priced headphones carry their sound signature I’ve been looking at some superlux models. Would they suit?
668b/681evo
I like clear, natural, balanced sound with tight, deep bass.
Thanks.
dalethorn
The 681 bass looks good, the 668 rolls off the deep bass.
Elliot
Thanks. So would they have the nice clear sq like the m50s?
dalethorn
Here’s some reading. You could dive into head-fi and read 1000 pages or so of discussions, or take the shortcuts here.
http://rockgrotto.proboards.com/thread/4769/superlux-hd-681-modifications
http://headfonics.com/2013/06/the-hd681-evo-by-superlux/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5ttxDRiZls
http://www.innerfidelity.com/content/superlux-hd-668b-and-hd-681-headphones
dalethorn
Just got the Grado PS1000e – shocking – it’s a different world.
Haryanto Suryonoto
Can’t wait to read your detailed review
dalethorn
youtube video is up
Haryanto Suryonoto
Watched your review video. Great one. But you sound not to excited with it compared with your initial comment above.
dalethorn
It’s so different …. here’s the best thing I can say right now – it plays music like a world-class weightlifter picks up a 10-pound dumbbell – effortlessly. And with some listening you really won’t like anything else. But, that assumes you’re OK with the signature, which is really different. Next time Nathan I do a podcast maybe I can elaborate on that.
dalethorn
Just got the Musical Fidelity MF200. Very nice.
Nick
What would be a considerable upgrade for AKG K550 in the 5-600$ range for over-ear, closed headphones?
The AKG just doesn’t sound right. Bass is lacking, mids are thin. However its airy-ness sounds nice.
dalethorn
The FAD Pandora VI(6) is excellent, great detail. MrSpeakers Alpha Dog might be good if the bass port is set right. The Shure 1540 is a possibility with great detail, but it’s somewhat dark – slightly recessed upper treble.
Nick
Thank you.
In the 300$ range what would you recommend as an upgrade?
I’ve seen now that AKG K550 are sold at 150$. 🙂
dalethorn
I have the K553 and it’s really good – strong bass etc. The EQ curve I did is:
http://dalethorn.com/Photos/Audioforge/Akg_K553.jpg
So the total variance was +2 to -3 db from 500 to 10000 hz. And it’s neither dull nor bright. The MrSpeakers Mad Dog is excellent. That’s about it.
Nick
Thank you. I did not know about K553.
Nick
What software is that? 🙂
dalethorn
Audioforge parametric equalizer.
hvking
I finally bought Momentum 2. I hope it is better than V-Moda M-100 in terms of bass.
dalethorn
It should be better in bass, if you’re looking for bass that’s not emphasized a lot. The midrange is very good according to user reviews. The treble is a bit recessed though – some people like that and some don’t – it probably comes down to the music you play.
hvking
Thanks. I hope $330 is a good value for Momentum 2.
Zoltan
Hello. I have a Meier Daccord+Classic combo and I’d like to upgrade.
Any recommendations for a better setup (it can also be portable, if it sounds better)? I was thinking of Cypher Labs Solo+Duet, or Daccord+Vorzüge Vorzamp Pure II, Resonessence Concero and a few others. Preferably not exceeding 1000-1500 EUR.
Thanks!
Headfonia_L.
So many options. the advantage of the SOLO+DUET (I would get the TRIO) and HUGO is that it’s desktop quality that is portable. Concero is very good too.
Do you want desktop or portable or both and for what headphones?
Zoltan
Well, I would prefer portable or at least transportable, with desktop/reference quality sound, and better than the Daccord+Classic.
I would use it with Noble Audio K10 IEMs and possibly also full-size headphones like the Beyer T1.
There are so many options, yes, and so much confusion on my part haha.
dalethorn
The biggest problem I see for real portable (not just transportable) is the headphone cable. If you can find a great headphone with a reasonable cable, not too long or too fat, you’ve got a great start.
Dion
Hi Was looking at getting a portable amp/dac combo but am not sure which one to get, currently have hifiman He400i headphone and looking into buying a pair of closed headphones either the mrspeaker alpha dog or fostex th900. Would be helpful if I could get some suggestions as to which one to get looking at $300-500 range, can be possibly a bit more if worth. Currently looking at the oppo ha-2, ifi micro idsd, theorem 720 dac or hifi-m8.
Headfonia_L.
I would go for the Theorem. It’s a good dac and awesome amp for Planars and dynamics
Marcos socraM
Hi there !!! For my listening (90% classical music – renaissance/baroque) which desktop set (headphone, amp, dac, source), do you recommend ? 2000US$ Thank you for your attention.
dalethorn
I think if you approached this as a consultation with someone who can give you lots of time and all of the factors with the different components, you could get something that works pretty well. But here, trying to get that all at once, you’ll get a scattering of opinions that will lead you to stuff you don’t want. Search for the headphone first, then find a good matching amp. The source is so personal based on user interface etc., that’s a whole research area unto itself.
Marcos socraM
Thank you dalethorn, If I buy a hd 600 for example, which desktop amp matches well with it ? Thank you again for you kind reply.
dalethorn
Me personally, I would get the WA7 Fireflies, but others here will disagree. I know it will sound good, and I like valve amps, but that’s a personal thing. You can look at the amps listed here – solid state probably – the Meier amps have a good reputation. The Lake People amp looks good. The latest Burson Soloist is always a great recommendation. Check out those and see what you think. A combined DAC/amp is best in my opinion, since it eliminates points of signal degradation such as : 1) Interconnect cables, 2) Output jacks and wiring from the DAC, and 3) Input jacks and wiring in the amp.
Marcos socraM
Thank you I will see the Wa7 !!!
Headfonia_L.
I wouldn’t recommend the WA7 but that’s me. I also wouldn’t go for an amp/dac combo. The only 2 i really like is the Meridian and the Hugo.
It’s all very personal. I think you should read up more to get good recommendations once you knwo what you really want
Marcos socraM
Thank you for your attention !!!! I wil definitely read up more !!!Thanks
Eli Segal
Hi! What would be a better choice for me? Currently I have the DX90, iPod Classic, RS71A. And I’m listening to mostly hd25/t51p on the road and hd650/Grado PS500(Planning) at home.
I’m thinking about my iPod Classic+Theorem or get an AK120ii and use it with my 71A when listening to hd650
What do you think?
Currently what is bothering me is that the DX90 is really uncomfortable to use and has really short battery life
Thanks!
Eli
Headfonia_L.
Both really good setups. the Theorem doesn’t charge the ipod and it will draw a lot of battery from it. I’m not sure you will get a longer life time than the DX90.
I think I would go for the E120ii, I love that player, it sounds great, has good battery life, the best UI on the market, etc. the Theorem is somethign I would recommend if you had orthodynamics in your collection
Eli Segal
Are you sure about the Theorem? On the review, it says that the Theorem do charge the iPod in use, Thanks
Headfonia_L.
You are right sorry, I wanted to say the Theorem doesn’t charge by USB but it does charge i Devices yes, sorry
Eli Segal
Would the sound of the AK120ii will be better than the DX90? How about the AK100ii? thanks!
Headfonia_L.
Technically the AK120ii beats the DX90, it’s also my fav high end player. The AK100ii isn’t that highly regarded
Eli Segal
Can you please tell me why isn’t the AK100ii high lt regarded? is the AK120ii all that better? Mind you I will mostly use it unbalanced.
I’m having hard time to decide as there a big difference between the 2
Also, I’m planning to get the he400i is that a factor?
Thanks again,
Eli
Dion
H,i I was looking for a hard case that I could use to carry my Fostex TH-600 around daily in a backpack, was wondering if you were abel to suggest a section that would fit my description. Thanks
Dion
Tronco
Hi guys,
A quick advice. I have two amps, a Schiit Asgard 2 and an Alo PanAm. I could get my hands on an almost new Burson Soloist for just about 500$. What do you think, would it be worth upgrading the amplifier?
Headphones I have: LCD2, EL-8c, Alpha Dog, HD650, Shure SE215.
dalethorn
I sure would.
Tronco
What if you could get a used (1 year old) Burson conductor for about 1K? Would you go for it? Is it worth upgrading the DAC too?
dalethorn
Is that the Conductor Virtuoso? It’s solid state, so shouldn’t be a problem with aging of parts. Which DAC does it have?
Tronco
It’s not the Virtuoso, from what I have gathered, the Virtuoso was just released some months ago and features a new volume control and a remote. The one I’m looking at has the ESS Sabre DAC.
From the reviews I’ve read it would seem that my setup would benefit from an upgrade. I think so too, but I’m wondering if I should go full Burson (DAC + Amp) or just get the Amp.
dalethorn
Get the DAC. Mostly Headfonia recommends separates, but think about it – with separates you have extra outputs and wiring on the DAC, extra inputs and wiring on the amp, and add to that interconnect cables. All of that deteriorates the sound. Of course, a lousy amp or one that doesn’t match the DAC would be bad, but Burson should give you good all the way around. BTW, the ESS Sabre is fine…
Headfonia_L.
Dale is right, I would recommend seperate units unless it’s the Hugo, Meridian and very few others 🙂
Eli Segal
Does the AK100ii/AK120ii has gapless support for all file types? or just flac? thanks!
Headfonia_L.
Should be for everything
Eli Segal
Ok, thanks
Anonymous
Thinking of getting a portable amp for my dx90 and i was hopping for better soundstage and separation of the instruments. any suggestions? pure II+ maybe? thanks!
Headfonia_L.
That or a Duet
Eli Segal
Hi,
I went for the AK100ii and now I’m looking for a pair of open headphones that would go well straight from the player. currently I enjoy hd650(with SR71A), t51p and hd25 the most. I mostly listen to rock/pop. What would you recommend for me?
dalethorn
I think the AKG K712 are excellent. I paid $350 USD for mine, and no regrets. But it won’t be as bassy probably as what you mentioned.
Eli Segal
Will the ak100ii be able to drive the K712? Other options I have in mind are: Audeze EL-8, Fidelio X2, He400i, Grado PS500. what do you think about these? which will be most easy to drive with the ak100ii? thanks!
dalethorn
http://www.inearspace.co.uk/inearspace/iRiver_Astell_%26_Kern_AK100_-_The_Good,_The_Bad_and_22_ohms_output_impedance!.html
Scroll down to “The Bad”
Headfonia_L.
That’s not the AK100ii though
dalethorn
So they fixed that stuff?
Eli Segal
Will the ak100ii be able to drive the K712? Other options I’m thinking of are: Audeze EL-8, Fidelio X2, He400i, PS500. What would be easier to drive?
Thanks!
dalethorn
The K712 efficiency is much less than the PS500, and probably the X2. I know that the K712 won’t play satisfactorily with an iPhone or the Oppo HA-2 amp, but L will have to tell you about the AK100ii and the EL8 or HE400i.
Headfonia_L.
I’d only go for the X2 really
RainHeaven
Would the PlusSound Cloud Nine be a good pairing for the iBasso DX90 + Mrspeakers Alpha Prime/DITA Answer?
Headfonia_L.
Sound wise I don’t see no problem, power wise neither. just form wise 🙂
Trevor
What’s the best way to clean a pleather pads? my ATH M40x ear pad surface gets rough a bit now and stinks lol, even though I’m often cleaning it with a leather cleaner or sometimes with just a damp microfiber cloth.
And the thing that annoys me the most is that there’s a kind of white thing on the side of the ear pads (see the pic), what’s that? is that a kind of fungus? I tried to clean that up with leather cleaner but can’t completely gone.
Note: room temp usually around 32° C
Headfonia_L.
That’s normal. Just buy new ones
Trevor
The problem is I couldn’t find it anywhere, even right here at headfonia store for the m40x. Their official store did sell it, but just for the US.
Are there any other solutions?
And what caused the white thing appear?
Headfonia_L.
The Headfonia store isn’t related to us anymore actually 🙂
Check amazon and ebay
dalethorn
If the plastic is leaking mfg. components, it could be hazardous or at least unhealthy. Better replace soon.
Venci
Going to make a custom shell for Shure 530 with detachable cables. What male-female connections do you recommend?
Westone 4R 2 pin, UE 2 pin, Shure mmcx (radium or gold ?) or other ?
Thanks!
Headfonia_L.
goodd old westone
Eli Segal
Hi,
I recently bought the AK100ii and although at first it seems to me as smooth sounding, now after about a week I feel that the sound is a bit harsh, would the AK120ii have a smoother sound?
Would I feel the difference if I’m not using balanced cables?
I don’t have anywhere here to listen to them (only could test the AK100ii)
Thanks,
Eli
Headfonia_L.
No it will noti, it’s not their style. Try DX90 or X5SG
dalethorn
Anyone working on the AQ Nighthawk – I have one on the way.
Headfonia_L.
Nope, haven’t heard too much good
dalethorn
I’m always amazed at the reputable mfrs. who create their first headphone which isn’t representative of their typical quality (ex: Martin-Logan), but Audioquest has had a good reputation for the Dragonfly, and possibly one of their cables, so I’m prepared to be astonished either way.
Mick Harper
Hi,
I recently bought the Bowers & Wilkins P7, I love the sound and have decided to purchase the Fiio x3 2gen for my source, would it be advisable to purchase a amp/dac ie the Fiio E17 to support the x3 or would the x3 be sufficient for the P7.
dalethorn
I don’t think the E17 or E17k would help the X3g2. If you have to add a DAC/amp to the X3g2, and you have a digital out on the X3g2, then at least make your DAC/amp a step up in quality.
socks mk2
Is the DX90 up to driving a DT770 Pro 32 ohm?
I used to have a DT770 Pro 250 and always used a portable amp. Don’t want to ever have to again… lol. Thinking about a pair just for portable use even with the coil cable being a bit of a nuisance. Comfort wise, I’ve pretty much given up on finding an equivalent to Beyer headphones. No other manufacturers come close in what offerings I’ve tried by them. SQ wise is a different matter, but since these won’t see any use aside from being a passenger in a car or in a quiet room (library, doctors office)… I think comfort is all I’m after at this point in time.
Headfonia_L.
sure it can drive the 32 ohm version, I use it myself on Medium gain on the DX90. Of course an external amp does sound a bit better (more power) but it’s not needed like with the 250
socks mk2
Ok. Great news for me. 🙂
Is current delivery the largest difference with amping? Since all Beyer models are notorious for wanting more current than most competitors iirc at all ohm variants.
Headfonia_L.
It’s the current vs voltage story. That’s why the high impedance beyers and Senns like the OTL amps
socks mk2
Ok. Thanks for confirmation. Much appreciated. ^^
Tibor
Hi Lieven. So I saved some money now and would like to ask for advice for a new amp. I was thinking about Violectric V200 before, but now I have found Pathos Aurium. Have you had a chance to listen to it? It’s a hybrid design, tube pre amp and class A output. A have read a review on one CZ site and they are recommending it as very musical, rhythmic, full sound etc.. Also the same on other English sites. It’s a bit more expensive that V200, but I love tubes! So I would like to know your opinion please. Thank you very much! Tibor
Headfonia_L.
I have no idea about that amp, sorry.
dalethorn
I did a google search – it looked good, found this article on Stereophile/innerfidelity, read the whole thing. From what I’ve read it’s a great amp for the money.
http://www.innerfidelity.com/content/pathos-aurium-hybrid-headphone-amplifier#hz57As2YC2z4i0Hq.97
Tibor
Yes exactly, should be a great amp. I red that too. Thank you, maybe I will go for it.
Miles Jason Romain
I have a question. If I was paired the VorzAMP pure II + with XUELIN IHIFI770C Music Player ( https://www.massdrop.com/buy/xuelin-ihifi770c-music-player )
Would I get better sound than the Ibasso DX90 ? I’m only
choosing this player as a cheap way of playing .flac files
and nothing else
Headfonia_L.
I don’t know the player. If you only goal is to use like that, I advise the $99 Fiio X1 on the LO with the excellent Pure II
Miles Jason Romain
Might sound like a dumb question but how big of a part in terms of sound quality does the source play (Fiio X1) when using an amp like Pure II ?
Chris Parles
Hi – I just bought a pair of Audeze El-8s closed-back (as well as NAD HP50s) and am trying to pick a portable DAC/amp setup. I intend to play music off my phone (iPhone 6) – I don’t want to have to load a separate device with music. I am really taken with all the reviews I’ve read of the Vorzüge PURE II(+)…but that leaves me with the problem of what DAC to buy. It seems that most DACs these days come built into amps (or come with amps built it).
What stand-alone DAC would do justice to both the EL-8s and the PURE II, and preferably be small (or at least thin)?
Headfonia_L.
I can’t immediately think of one besides the CLAS SOLO (awesome). Why not just go for the OPPO solution and get the DAC/AMp in one?
http://www.headfonia.com/oppo-ha-2-2007-all-over-again/
Chris Parles
The OPPO HA-2 was my other thought, but based on your reviews of the PURE II/II+ (as well as reviews from others) I’m thinking I’ll really like it. But one slim little unit rather than two larger ones is attractive for its portability. In case it matters, I listen to classical music almost exclusively.
Incidentally, are you guys planning to review the EL-8s (closed and/or open back) anytime soon?
Headfonia_L.
I have both. they’re on the list but I’m not a big fan…
Chris Parles
Having had the EL-8 (closed) for a few weeks now, I’m curious why you’re not a big fan. Since I have tried very few headphones that are reviewed here (being very new to the hobby), would you mind giving me a brief description of what you think the EL-8 sound like? This would really help orient me with regards to your reviews of other headphones, so I have a better reference point for what I should investigate next. Hope this isn’t an inappropriate thing to ask.
Thanks!
dalethorn
I think the HA-2 is OK for portable use only, but not so great for home listening.
Eli Segal
Hi! Currently I have and use the RSA RS71A amp. Does the Cypher Labs Duet has a better sound for large headphones? thx!
Eli Segal
Hi, I currently own the SR71A, and thinking about the Duet. will it be an improvement? thanks.
Eli Segal
Hi, I’m going to use ak120ii on the go and looking for a setup for inside
what would be a better setup for large headphones ?
1. ak120ii + Duet
2. iPod + Theorem 720
3. Something else?
Thanks,
Eli
Headfonia_L.
Hi Eli, I would go for AK120ii + HUGO. I use it myself and love it
Eli Segal
I would as well but that’s way over my budget :). Any other advice?
Thanks!
Wilson Ernest
Hi there, I need an Amp or DAC/Amp recommendation, preferably a desktop one. I happen to try CypherLabs Picollo and like it a lot, but I wonder if I can find a desktop one since I don’t need the portability and don’t like maintaining the battery health. I can go up to US$350. For your base of consideration here’s my current setup:
Source: MacBook Pro (Intel HD) or Sony NWZ-A15
Cans: Fidelio X2
I know that lots of people have been saying that X2 doesn’t need amplifiers but I like the sound quality/characteristics that come out from Picollo. Yet, the Picollo comes with a battery and the price isn’t very welcoming.
Suggestions to replace my DAP or get a DAC will also be considered.
Thanks in advance,
Wilson.
Headfonia_L.
Fiio E10K, Resonessence Herus, JDSLabs C5D, Fiio E17K, …
Eli Segal
Hi,
Do anyone has an experience with the Grado GR10e + AK120ii? Will this combination works well?
I’m looking for a comfortable in-ear that I can pull in and out quickly
Thanks!
Headfonia_L.
I don’t sorry, maybe Nathan
Barry Rosekind
Can you guys help me choose between the cypher labs picollo and the alo rx? read both of your reviews and leaning towards the rx but not sure enough to make the decision…
Headfonia_L.
RX: most musical but most fatiguing as there’s a lot going on.
Picollo: Most quiet with sensitive gear, can be used for non IEMs.
Personally I’m using the Picollo
Barry Rosekind
thanks for your input..worst comes to worst i’ll start a collection
Eli Segal
Hi again,
I’m looking for a comfortable IEM with a good sound to be connected with my ak120ii
comfort is the most important for me and I want to be able to quickly get it in and out, so foam tips is not an option.
What would you recommend for me?
Right now I consider:
1. Grado GR10e (can’t audition it over here)
2. Sennheiser ie800 (a bit too bassy for me, but I’ll try to listen to it again)
Any other good options?
Thanks!
Gabriel Ross
L, Are you having a review of the,ALO National plus in the future? Much thanks.
Headfonia_L.
No, not that I know of. ALO wasn’t interested when I asked a few months ago
Jinx
Are you guys interested in the new T1v2 and DT 1770 Pro? I’m curious to hear your thoughts.
Headfonia_L.
of course. I’m meeting with Beyer in a few weeks
Jinx
Awesome! Can’t wait to hear your impressions – since you didn’t really like the T1 if I remember correctly.
I’m considering buying the A2 amp if I end up buying T1v2. Currently using A20 and based on description of the T1v2 the A2 seems like a better match. Also curious how the DT 1770 Pro sounds – if it’s just a minor upgrade from DT770 or something worth it’s pricetag of €599.
Nickjan Glas
hello evrybody,
In one of the threads Rasmussen informed me about Meijer Audio ‘s new ff technology and the possibility to upgrade old gear like the classic and daccord. So I post this Q&A entry for two reasons; fisrstly to share the news and secondly to ask if anybody already has some experience with this new technology/upgrade and would like to share. thanks
Headfonia_L.
In exactly one month I’ll be listening to it at Canjam 😉
Nickjan Glas
That must be fate; so am I 😉 In the meantime I have to consider whether to go with the upgrade and do the same as Rasmussen and bring it there.
Headfonia_L.
I would bring it for sure, you never know. It isn’t that big and it will save you in shipping and time should you be convinced
Nickjan Glas
Thats the idea, I ll mail him today about it. #looking forward listening to more headphones on it in Essen.
Nickjan Glas
Just emailed with Jan and I will compare mine with the ff at Canjam. excitement is increasing!
Headfonia_L.
Haven’t heard Jan in a long time. He’s such a nice guy. Look forward to catching up with him
Nickjan Glas
He certainly is. Great opportunity to catch up then. And who knows,..maybe also a new review opportunity. I really like his amps sofar.
trs
hie mike
studio six or cypher labs prautes ,which one i should go for.can u clear me
Headfonia_L.
see above
trs
hie mike
why u have so far not reviewed cypher labs prates
dalethorn
Mike has been gone for a year working the Headfonia store, so he probably won’t be reviewing that $4000 amp. Do you think a lot of Headfonia readers will be interested?
Headfonia_L.
I’m still surprised people go “hey Mike” after 1.5 years of me and Nathan running the review site 😀
Akash Ray
Hey Admin,
I’m on a buget ~ $100 give or take a few.
I’m a wannabe audiophile (If that’s a thing tongue emoticon ) and would like the best quality audio out of my little budget.
Well, basically I’m a schoolkid so I’d like to have the bare minimum when it comes to the world of audiophiles (for starters).
I’ve bought myslef a FiiO x1 for lossless playback as of now and have a decent collection of lossless music which I’m genuinely proud of.
What would you suggest as the best over-ear headphones at that price?
I’m currently eyeing the following-
1.Audio Techinica M50
2.Sony Mdr-v6
3.V-Moda Crossfade Lp/Lp2.
I’m keen on your suggestions other than the above and would be glad to gave your expert opinion.
Thanks a lot!
dalethorn
The LP/LP2 are *very* bassy and dark, while the M50 is near-hi-fi. The Sony I don’t know – probably as good as the M50. On a budget? Probably stick with the M50.
Jeroen Wijnands
can’t really go wrong with them
trs
hie
apologies for addressing wrongly
thanks on yur feed back
shall I assume that going to solid state is better than studio six and prautes .
dalethorn
Solid state should be cheaper, and more reliable long-term, but you could be more specific as to your needs – your source and types of music, etc.
trs
GRADO SR 325
GRADO 1000 E
SENHISER HD 650
SENHISER HD 800
CD N DAC CYRUS
LISTENS TO VARIOUS JAZZ, BLUES, ROCKS , CLASSICALS AND OST
THANKS
dalethorn
You need a tube amp with those headphones. I can’t tell you which is better, but Lieven could probably recommend one.
Headfonia_L.
LAFigaro 339 or Woo Audio WA3
trs
I do hold a head phone amp /dac from senhiser
dalethorn
A Sennheiser DAC/amp for Sennheiser headphones should be good since Sennheiser will tune it properly.
trs
i do agree , thanks
trs
will check on that .
thaks
thaks
trs
what would be yur recommendation for a solid state
thanks
Jeroen Wijnands
@headfonia_lieven:disqus got my Sony XBA-C10 today. Balanced armature at 23 euros delivered. Not a bad deal I think. Might be just the solution for classical and jazz lovers on a budget like myself. It’s fairly neutral, musical and still can do the Parsifal churchbells in a wonderfully realistic way.
Have you ever listened to these?
Headfonia_L.
I have not. Universal IEMs aren’t my thing. NAthan probably has though
Jeroen Wijnands
ok. I’m really fond of them, especally for the price. I don’t know quite why it is but they do cello extremely well
socks mk2
Any chances of someone at headfonia reviewing Audio GD products? I’m really interested in the Master 11.
Headfonia_L.
Not sure they do reviews, communication isn’t the easiest. I did have an AUdio GD DAC, but I sold it last year or so
Nickjan Glas
Hey everybody. Don’t know if anybody heard of B&W’s society of music, but I discovered it some time ago and wanted to share.
IMO they have some great recordings with a nice variety of unknown artists and more known classical pieces bij the London symphony orchestra.
I am know using those recordings for my listening to my full setup (now listening to Hannah Peel) and didn’t want to withhold this.
enjoying meier classic, meridian explorer and B&O H6.
Jinx
What do you guys think about R2R DACs? And Schiit Multibit Gungnir and Yggdrasil?
dalethorn
The comments on some sites are extremely favorable (in spite of the huge warm-up time or powering up 24/7), but why haven’t we heard of these on the headphone sites, except rare threads? I wasn’t aware of these, and I follow John Swenson, Gordon Rankin, …. a few others.
Ajay Marrott
What is your opinion on the DX90 vs the ipod hp-p1 combo. I’m at a crossroads and can go either way. Sound quality is first and foremost.
Headfonia_L.
If you go ipod + X, I would go for the hifi-M8 or the Clas SOLO -dB. That or the DX90 + amp
Ajay Marrott
Does the HP-P1 pale in comparison to these? What about the Theorym?
Headfonia_L.
Theorem is superb, I prefer it over the Hifi-m8 actually
Ajay Marrott
That may just be the ticket. Price tag is a bit high for me but I may just have to do it. I’m not sure the DX 90 + Amp would have better sound quality over the iPod Theorym 720 combo. Any other opinions would be greatly appreciated.
Headfonia_L.
Theorem is especially good with Orthodynamic headphones and the Senn HD650. Not so good for IEMs
Ajay Marrott
Well I do have the HD 600, but for on the go I love my TF10’s. Maybe I should go the extra mile and get the Terra Player ha ha. Now I’m in a quandry. I also have the Porta Pro and the HD 25 II. Both are cool, but not inspiring like my HD 600’s which stay a home.
Ajay Marrott
Fiio X5SG or DX90?
Headfonia_L.
Please read the Fiio X5SG review, all is said there
dalethorn
Ooh – this was interesting … it might not mean anything in the eventuality, but I was playing one of my favorite test tracks by David Chesky and Wonjung Kim – Girl From Guatemala, with the extreme treble instruments after 3:00 in the track. Using the B&O Earset 3i (external to ear canal ‘earbuds’, not IEMs), I got the cleanest reproduction I’d ever heard from that track. The headphones I had at hand (Beyer DT1350, AQ Nighthawk, Grado 325 and GH1) just couldn’t match it.
socks mk2
Any upcoming review for the ZMF Omni?
Headfonia_L.
Not that I know of. Maybe Nathan or Paul
socks mk2
Aite. Thanks for the reply.
socks mk2
Any upcoming review for the Violectric V850 DAC?
Any chance of a Schiit Gungnir (with Multibit) DAC review?
Lonnnnng stretch, but any chance of a head to head comparison or shootout between the two aforementioned dacs (assuming the first two questions are a ‘yes’)? Lol. I think it’s going to be hard to find anywhere that has a direct comparison.
Headfonia_L.
V850: of course
Schiit. Maybe by Dave
shoot out? Never going to happen 😀
socks mk2
Looking forward to the V850 review then. 🙂
I laughed out loud at the shoot out comment. Hahaha. xD I figured as much.
Dave Ulrich
Sure, I will do the Gungnir. On a completely unrelated note, L, can I borrow the v281 and your 4 most hi-end phones?
Headfonia_L.
No, but you can come over and listen to them anytime 😉
Miles Jason Romain
I have about $800 for a neutral sounding or slightly warm portable rig. I have Sennheiser HD439 with intention on buying Flare Audio R2A. What would be the best bang for my buck? I was going to buy the Ibasso DX90 but now I’m not so sure.
Miles Jason Romain
Anyone?
Dave Ulrich
Well, both the Fiio X5ii and A&k jr got good notices here.
Miles Jason Romain
I’m trying to decide if I should buy the Ibasso DX90 or is the Cayin N6 worth the extra cash. Thoughts??
Headfonia_L.
Haven’t had the pleasure of listening to the Cayin yet
Jinx
I’ve bought the HD650 and am now looking for a closed pair as well. Thinking DT150, what do you think? From what I hear both scale well, are non-fatiguing and are great for the price.
dalethorn
The DT150 should be as different in sound from the HD650 as night and day. The 650 is basically a warmer 600, yes? You want the Sennheiser 650 sound but closed-back. Maybe try the MrSpeakers Mad Dog?
Jinx
Already bought both of them, but thanks 🙂 I’m amazed how great DT150 sounds for the price. And I can’t believe it’s so underrated or unkown, I don’t know which of the two it is.
dalethorn
I’ve had a number of Beyer headphones, and the quality of the full-size ones is great. But the older studio models like the 150 are voiced quite differently from the newer series like the 770/880/990 etc. I like the older ones, but I’m afraid to recommend them since they’re so far out of the mainstream. It’s like an unspoken or unstated rule – “outside the mainstream” is OK, if it brings specific advantages to the table. As a recommendation, I mean.
Brian
Whats your opinion on the CE1’s? I cant find much information on them after they changed baming schemes.
dalethorn
CE1?
Brian
Sorry CE1P the single driver custom from cosmic ears
dalethorn
There’s nothing to be found except the promo page from Cosmic Ears. I like single-driver IEMs myself, but most of the guys here like multi-drivers. Hmmm …. if nobody else has any inside information, check back in a couple of weeks. I’m going to look myself.
Headfonia_L.
My girlfriend has one, personally I haven’t heard it in a long time. I do have one though
Brian
Would Love to hear you opinion on them snice there barely any information on it.
dalethorn
Here’s what they replied: “Hi Dale, we’re not aware of any current CE1P reviews at this moment in time. If you need to get in touch, please try via [email protected] — our Facebook messages are not consistently monitored.”
OllieS
I’m wondering whether I should buy a new portable music player, like the FiiO X5 2nd gen, or a portable amp. Will the improvement in sound quality (from an iPod Nano to the FiiO X5) be greater than the improvement with an amp that costs around the same price as the FiiO ($350/£270)? Or would an amp be better?
Perhaps linked to that, I imagine an amp would be better because specific amps could cater to the specific sound I want more than a music player. Am I right in thinking this? I want an amp that doesn’t really emphasise bass, and really does make the vocals much louder/more ‘forward’. And also makes the music sound more energetic/bright/cold, not more relaxed or warm. Is there an amp out there that corresponds to any of this?
dalethorn
I’m not the expert on amps here, but I’ll offer a thought for you. If I were buying a Hugo or a Theorem, I’d be very happy with those as an improvement in sound quality. But if I were looking at a $300 Oppo HA-2 for example, I’d take the DAP instead.
derSchallhoerer
I would rather spend some money on Headphones that fit your criterias. It would be easier to tailor those preferences with headphones.
Abyi LiuTan
hi, i would like to ask your opinion as to which of the two, the campfire audio lyra or fitear parterre would be a more worthy purchase considering that i already own the dita answer truth. love headfonia reviews and believe that you ‘ll be able to give constructive advice thanks!! im rlly anticipating reviews on jomo customs too when are they coming?
Headfonia_L.
Thank you. Nathan can probably answer toy our first question. The Jomo’s are coming in November I think
Vaibhav Pisal
Hi Dale,
Shure 1840 vs Beyerdynamic t90.
I just want to know which one is technically superior and closer to a flagship hp.
I tried both at a store and liked both, but couldnt conclude which performed better as it was a short demo.
Both are priced same.
Thanks.
dalethorn
Very different they are. Beyer very alive in presence/lower treble, Shure a bit shy there. Beyer very strong in upper treble, Shure smooth but alive there. Mids on both are great, but Shure more like a Sennheiser and Beyer slightly darker. Beyer bass is perfect, and Shure bass below 35 hz or so is distorted.
Vaibhav Pisal
Yup more or less agree.
However i wanted to know if there is a huge technical gap like say between akg k812 vs k712. Both sound very detailed at first but with time k812 pulls ahead significantly. Could not understand that in a 5 min listen.
Thanks.
dalethorn
In my opinion, and although I like the 812 better than the 712 because I EQ’d it, without EQ I would choose the 712 because it’s smooth and the 812 has serious peaks. In the case of the T90 it’s nearly perfect, and also technically superior to the 1840. But again, if I had to choose based on not EQ’ing them, I would take the 1840 for a smoother treble, and live with the bass as is.
But the really good news is, if you like the K812 OK, you should love the T90 – it’s much smoother than the K812, has a clearer less grainy sound, but doesn’t have quite the huge soundstage of the K812.
Vaibhav Pisal
ok. thanks.
so t90 is technically better. thats what i wanted to know.
i am using a warm dac with tube amp with 6n6p which is mid centric tube. not worried about treble at all. dont think i will need to use eq. i am using sennheiser hd700 with it which otherwise i find too bright.
dalethorn
I think you have the perfect setup.
derSchallhoerer
I had the T90 and the T1 for a while and sold them both. That treble peak on both was to distracting and fatiguing to me. Other than that, they are great headphones. Eventhough i think that the T1 is really overpriced. I have never listened to the 1840, but i really like my 440 and 840’s.
Miles Jason Romain
What are peoples thoughts on HIFIMAN RE-600 Songbirds ? I own an Ibasso DX90. The reviews sound good.
dalethorn
For those who are curious about the AQ JitterBug USB device, I tested 2 things yesterday and got 2 good results. First I plugged the Jitterbug into my new Macbook 12 inch, then plugged the Dragonfly v1.2 DAC into the Jitterbug, then plugged a B&W P5s2 into the Dragonfly. Using WAV files (CD rips) in iTunes, without the Jitterbug the sound was good, but with the Jitterbug the sound was slightly more extended and airy, with a faint degree of better soundstage. I’d regard the improvement as very subtle, for most users probably, but I’d guess that someone with near-perfect hearing would hear a bigger difference. It was unmistakeable, in a very quiet room. Next I plugged the Jitterbug into the FiiO E17k (E17k setting for USB Charge was turned OFF), then plugged the iPhone 6-plus into the Jitterbug with the Apple adapter and a short USB to Lightning cable, then plugged the headphone into the E17k. I used the same WAV tracks on the iPhone. The difference this time between Jitterbug out and in was much different from the test using the laptop computer. With iPhone and E17k, the sound was obviously cleaner, but didn’t impress me as improving the extension, soundstage or anything like that – just cleaner, clearer. A good improvement though. My best track for testing was Chris Isaak, Wicked Game.
Headfonia_L.
Been using the Jitterbug for a few weeks now, can’t really hear any difference with my laptop and I have been using it in a $10K setup.
That actually is my fav alltime song 🙂
dalethorn
Not surprising. The laptop difference was very subtle, and even the least difference for someone else could cancel that out. I’d be curious if you tried it with an iPhone and DAC, etc.
Headfonia_L.
As you know I’m not a fan of using an iphone/phone for listening to music. I’ll see what I can do.
Don’t you ever sleep, Dale? 🙂
dalethorn
I share 2-hour sleep shifts with my partners, in case anyone tries sneaking in silently. (heh)
The phone test may have revealed something interesting about phones – don’t know exactly as yet, but I’ve long suspected that the digital data coming from the iPhone isn’t as good as on the computer, even though they should be identical when playing the same track. Maybe someone has measured that. In any case, what the Jitterbug filters is not likely to be the same everywhere. More importantly, the perception of greater HF extension or marginally better soundstage isn’t necessarily evidence of greater fidelity or lower distortion or anything – it might be a false lead. I do think this device has a greater potential to reveal problems in digital feeds than using expensive digital/USB cables. But all my cables for listening are very short, except the headphone cable.
Miles Jason Romain
Ok guys I need some help here. I’m interested in three earphones, all the reviews are good but I can’t try them first so I will rely on user reviews and opinions baring in mind I have the Ibasso DX90. The first is DUNU DN-2000J. the second Is the RHA T20 and finally HIFIMAN RE-600. I like clear treble, slightly forward mids and tight bass.Id probably be happy with any of them but Id like to get the best bang for my buck. Thanks in advance.
Dave Ulrich
Well, the RE-600 has a lush, forward midrange, smoother treble and fairly tight bass. It is rather romantic sounding. I liked it a lot with the HE-400, but can’t speak of how it would pair with the DX90
Miles Jason Romain
Whats the difference between the HIFIMAN RE600 and the HIFIMAN RE600S ? I don’t see it on the web site
Dave Ulrich
I believe the RE600s is single ended while the RE600 has a balanced 3.5mm plug.
dalethorn
With the new Audeze LCD4 at $4000 USD, people are saying that now a $2000 headphone is just “mid-fi”. Which I guess it is, midway between 0$ and 4000$.
derSchallhoerer
Those prices are just ridiculous. The law of diminishing returns already hits hard at about 300-500 EUR with headphones. And then there are headphones for 2000 – 4000 EUR. And i’m just sitting here with my Koss Porta Pro and enjoy the hell out of them 😀
dalethorn
Yeah, the great thing about personal audio for the past few years is it’s mostly been focused on affordable gear. There’s a sense of community with all the different people involved. I read Stereophile, which mostly deals with speakers and home systems, and they lost their sense of community long ago, with $250000 (250 thousand) USD turntables, $300000 speakers, and cables at $10000 per foot (more per meter). Say a prayer for community!
socks mk2
$4000 for an uncomfortable piece of schiit. I’ll take a comfortable pair over a more technically sound pair. I’ll also take a more sonically pleasing pair over a closer to “neutral” pair. The audio experience is all personal after all. If you aren’t enjoying it, it doesn’t matter the price tag.
I recently purchased another DT990/600 after selling my old pair give or take 5 months ago. I can hear it’s flaws a lot more easily now, but I bought it for the aspects I enjoy about it. Comfort, price, fit, seal, decent bass and ample energy. Some parts nostalgia as well. Nothing else I’ve tried so far delivers an equal or better experience while listening to my favorite 3 albums. It isn’t better than other headphones for other genres; that’s why I have more than one pair. 🙂
I’m looking into a second hand TH900 in the coming months as they can be found under $900 now. They’ll suit my wants/needs and thats all that matters imo. I can live with what others might consider flaws or deviations from an impossible to recreate experience of the original recording that they’ve never heard themselves at the time of recording, mixing and mastering.
I don’t mean to rant. In short I’d say it doesn’t matter what the community as a whole says/thinks or what the general consensus is. Listen for and trust yourself; your opinion on the experience and how it relates to your preferences is the most important factor in the end. ^^
dalethorn
As rants go, that’s pretty good. Massdrop has been running a DT990 Manufaktur with the turquoise ring around the earcups – I bypassed it once, and now I’m considering it once again.
socks mk2
I picked up a pair that someone had already fully recabled to balanced. It was a little more expensive, but I couldn’t miss the opportunity! Lol.
http://imgur.com/VdWsDEA
Jinx
Lieven did you hear the HE-X or any of the Cavali Audio gear at the meet? 🙂
Headfonia_L.
No, they weren’t at the show :/
Jinx
Shame 🙁 Will you be getting them for review though?
Headfonia_L.
The HE-X probably
Jinx
Sounds great. Looking forward to it.
jonathan_bernabe
Hi guys! Do you guys have any recommendations for easy to drive earbuds or in-ears with decent sound quality? I just need something I can use straight out of my 3DS without amplification. My other IEMs just don’t cut it. Thanks!
derSchallhoerer
What is your budget?
jonathan_bernabe
I’m willing to go up to $40
derSchallhoerer
I would have recommended the RHA MA750, but that seems a bit out of your
range. The VE Zen are great Earbuds, but i belief they are not
available any longer.
jonathan_bernabe
I’ll check them out thanks
dalethorn
Thinksound Rain2. Lovely sound – wood earpieces.
Headfonia_L.
See Dale got it already 🙂
Headfonia_L.
$40? Maybe Dale knows what to do. $40 gets you a replacement cable for the budget AD01 IEM, the review I’m working on right now. Sorry, I’m not good at the low budget stuff.
dalethorn
$40 is a low price for a good replacement cable.
Olegario Martin
Hi headfonia!
I play music with my HTC one M8 and is using a Momentum Over-ear, would this E11k improve my overall experience specially with some of the bassier songs I have in my playlist? TIA!
Headfonia_L.
Centrance Hifi M8? And you wonder if the E11K would improve that?
dalethorn
Wow!!
Olegario Martin
No Sir, the M8 I was talking about is the HTC One model. Anyway I think sir Dale already answered my question. Thank you!
dalethorn
OK – I see – it’s the phone. The E11k is now the ‘A3’ (or so they say). So you’d “drive” the amp from your headphone jack, which isn’t a line out. So it might sound better, more dynamics etc., but not as good as using a DAC/amp like the E07k or E17k.
Olegario Martin
Thank you Sir.
dalethorn
There are Soundmagics that cheap that are OK.
jonathan_bernabe
I’ll give them a try. If I weren’t limited by my budget, what would you suggest? I might just wait till later to buy.
dalethorn
The Thinksound Rain2 has the best sound I’ve heard below $200, and that probably relates to the wood earpieces. My favorite of all is the Senn IE800, but some people object to the enhanced bass it has. The Dita Answer/Truth edition was excellent. Other than those, everything else I tried was OK but not for long-term listening. You might find that if you get a perfect fit even on the Soundmagics, the sound may be quite good. I have problems with fit, but lots of people here recommend the customs…
jonathan_bernabe
Ok thanks a lot!
dalethorn
One Pryma Carbon Marsala is due at my doorstep this Thursday.
dalethorn
Sounds very good – similar to the AQ Nighthawk in some ways.
Headfonia_L.
Pics? 🙂
dalethorn
Working on that – maybe today.
dalethorn
Pryma video and picture links and massive text:
http://www.hifiheadphones.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=4283
Scot Tumlin
Hi Headfonia,
Can you recommend a portable headphone amp for my setup:
Headphone: Beyerdynamic DT 770 pro (80 ohms)
Source: iPhone 6S
Music: Jazz
Thanks!
Headfonia_L.
HA-2, Theorem among others
Chris Parles
So when do we get a review of the Chord Electronics Mojo? 😀
Headfonia_L.
If you send me one 🙂
Headfonia_L.
Someone or something is reporting you for being a spammer. I have no idea why, I just had to approve this message as well.
So either someone doesn’t like you or there’s something on your pc/account that is linked to spam
Spud
Well all I can say is I had no issue with any other site that is similar to this.I went to subscribe to the fall giveaway ALO Audio CDM on my other account. I doubt it will be accepted. I wont subscribe on this account most likely think I’m cheating or whatever. I wait and see if I get any response back.
dalethorn
Disqus should be the same everywhere, yes?
Headfonia_L.
That’s correct
Spud
I meant as far as headphones and others that has to do with audio.I signed up on Head-Fi and never had a issue with them.Appreciate you guys responding.
Barry Rosekind
Hi, i am looking for a balanced iem amp and can’t decide between the SR 71-B and the cypher lab duet. can you help push me in one direction or another? thanks
Headfonia_L.
I’ll give you a push to the Duet. Both are good but the Duet is newer 😉
derSchallhoerer
Just got the VSonics VSD3 yesterday and been impressed with them. For ~40€ they are a steal. They are warm sounding with a focus on the Bass. I think they are perfect for all sorts of electronic Music. Listened to my favorite H.U.V.A Network Album and really liked what i heard.
Its great to hear that there is a lot of value in terms of soundquality, even in the 40-100€ categorie for IEM’s.
R12wan
Hi. I posted a few days ago but have changed headphones since. Now still have the Grado PS500e but added the Beyer T90. What good quality amp/dac would you recommend? I want something that is musical, good tight base impact and not too hot on the treble. I also don’t want vocals to be subdued. Ideally I want something that is transportable (not necessarily portable) so that I can use with iPhone. However, it will probably be most used with iMac 27 2012 with Spotify Premium and a few ripped CD’s as the main source. Options I am considering are Fostex HP A4, IFI Micro IDSD, Cypher Labs Theorem. Which would you recommend with those two headphones? Thanks.
Headfonia_L.
I was thinking Theorem even before you listed it. Theorem should be the one, IFI will be too clean and thin/analytical with the T90
R12wan
Thank you so much for the quick response!
R12wan
Just out of interest, I know that it’s not really that portable/transportable but between the Resonessence Labs Concero HP and the Cypher Labs Theorem, what would your recommendation be with those two headphones?
Headfonia_L.
Oh that’s a tough one. I like both. If you plan on getting an ortho I would go for the Theorem
R12wan
Thanks!
R12wan
Thanks!
Ben Bildirici
Hey guys.
Looking for a DAC with small footprint, (think Violectric V90 dimensions) and neutral sound signature with good sound stage. Say, a poor man’s Benchmark DAC with USB. Budget could be stretched up to €300. Would preferably buy second-hand stuff.
One option I had in mind was the iFi Micro iDAC.
Current set-up is a Laptop; Schiit Modi; Violectric V90; Senn HD 580 and AKG K501.
What would you recommend?
Much obliged!
Headfonia_L.
How about the HERUS? iDac should be good too
Ben Bildirici
Thanks for prompt reply Lieven! I’ll focus on the iDAC since it’s easer to obtain in Nederland 😛
Would you happen to know if it will be worth also considering the iDAC2 and iDSD? Would the latter be a significant upgrade from the iDAC?
Headfonia_L.
I have only had the iDSD with me, sorry
Ben Bildirici
Allrighty, thanks again! 🙂
Dave Ulrich
I believe I should be getting the iDAC 2 at some point. I have to admit, my ears do prefer the Resonessence Labs sound to the ifi one, but that is a personal thing.
Ben Bildirici
Is the HERUS that good? Find it somewhat hard to believe to implement that kind of quality in the size of a USB stick. Not that I’m doubting your judgement 😉
digitldlnkwnt
I have one and I use it with both my WA7 and my Vio V100 and I love it. I prefer it over my Centrance DACPort. I’m considering the Res Concero DAC based on the fact i like the sound signature so much. It provides great detail while still being very musical.
Dave Ulrich
The Concero HD basically has the same signature as the Herus, but with a sharper soundstage and better impact.
digitldlnkwnt
Thanks! Makes my decision that much easier.
Alex O'Neil
Hi, some advice, please. I’ve got an ALO Continental portable valve amp and had an iBasso DX50 as source using Sennheiser Momentum headphones (Qables interconnect). I’ve sold the iBasso and am temporarily using my Blackberry Passport as source until I decide direction. The iBasso was fine but I found myself wanting a wee bit more detail and more air/space in the sound stage. If that makes sense. How would my “DX50 with Continental” combination compare with higher end alternatives? Should I build around the ALO or be prepared to put all into (e.g.) HM901 with appropriate amp card? And what about other unanswerable questions … World Peace? Any thoughts there?? Alex
dalethorn
If there’s world peace then I’d have to get a different job, but I digress….
Maybe you could provide more detail about what you’re willing to schlep around with you – size and so on. Portable gear can become bothersome if it’s too bulky, not enough isolation, etc.
Edit: And would the valve amp be a limiting factor in that detail and ‘air’ ?
Alex O'Neil
Hi, thanks for the reply (yup, let’s set aside world peace).
I’m used to having the iBasso DX50 linked (with ALO rubber bands) to the ALO Continental amplifier (the ALO is 11cm x 7cm x 2.5cm … so, double the thickness of the two to 5cm).
1) It’s doable, cumbersome. I’d prefer less bulky but not at the expense of sound quality.
2) Since great sound quality has always surprised me, it’s difficult to use words to describe what I hope will be better. To be honest I’m simply looking for “better”.
3) I’m not technical. But I feel that a single unit with optimal connections could minimise loss and interference. I have no idea if the small ALO amp (it’s not an old fashioned valve, obviously, it’s a modern design, a couple of years old) is a solution or a problem.
Actually, maybe I’m better at describing world peace.
🙂
Alex
dalethorn
There are plenty of DAPs here, and high-quality portable amp reviews that describe sound a thousand different ways. I read the AK Jr. review for example, and in one place it’s as satisfactory as AK’s DAPs costing several times as much, but in another place the ‘Dry’ comment was repeated more than once, making me wonder….
Anyway, no way for me to predict whether you can get more detail without incurring a “solid state” dryness or whatever, compared to valves. I listen with less detail and fill in the blanks myself, but sometimes I get that nagging feeling that something’s missing, which is usually a headphone issue, not an amp problem. Anyway, I’ll bet Lieven can suggest a DAP or amp that would do better, but prepare for expensive.
Alex O'Neil
Thanks for taking the time to reply and for your comments. Much appreciated.
Laughs, I do realise that (as with my classical guitar) the sound that matters don’t come cheap. I’m trying to have an open mind rather than simply an open wallet.
🙂
Alex
dalethorn
In the end (as we engineers say), everything is a compromise of some kind. The trick is finding the best one. There may be a reasonable solid state cure, but finding it may take time.
Headfonia_L.
yup, I can do expensive 🙂
I don’t think the DX90 or X5SG will give you the update you’re looking for. The DX80 and X7 isn’t out yet so we don’t know yet how it sounds but the next step is the Luxury & Precision L5P and the Astell&Kern AK120II
Alex O'Neil
L&P is a brand I’ve never heard of. I’m off to Hong Kong for a few months in January and can sound-test these models. Thanks for your advice. (Interested to know what the X7 will sound like but the L5Pro is top of my list to check out). 🙂 Alex
Miles Jason Romain
Is there an IEM alternative to Sennheiser HD650 under $600
dalethorn
I don’t know if Sennheiser’s cheaper (than the IE800) IEM’s are nearly as good as the IE800, but I’ve seen the IE800 for less than $800 USD sometimes, and it’s not grey-market. The IE800 is worth sacrificing a little for.
Miles Jason Romain
If I could get a sale that would work but $800 is about $ 1040 CDN. That’s above my budget. Iv been reading up about HIFIMAN RE600S , RHA T20 ,DUNU DN-2000J and the Aurisonics ROCKETS. Its difficult to know what to buy without being able to try them.
dalethorn
I’ve had the lower RHA’s from the 750 down, but not the T10. The T20 filters are supposed to make the sound tunable enough to make everyone happy. I don’t know about everyone, but it would work for me.
Miles Jason Romain
I really like the idea of tunable filters
Headfonia_L.
T20 is completely different than the HD650
digitldlnkwnt
I just picked up the Campfire/ALO Lyra which is comes in at 750.00 US. It’s a bit past your budget but worth every penny. It has a nice dark signature with outstanding bass. Personally it’s also one of the more comfortable IEM I have worn.
Spud
I have the Ibasso Dx90. I usually listen to Hip Hop music especially the old school stuff that relies on heavy snares and bass. What headphones you recommend from $130.00 or below? Do I look for bass headphones ? I don’t want bass that are over bloated not hearing the vocals and all. Thank you
dalethorn
Beyer DTX501p, Brainwavz HM5, AKG K553(Massdrop), Edifier H850. The 553 is the best if you can get it.
Spud
I’m curious, how come you have plenty of Hi-Fi daps with a equalizer, the sound drops when you turn it on.It seems the much cheaper players don’t have this issue.Will we eventually see this issue be solved ?
Headfonia_L.
Cause they are badly configured and because EQ is well not my thing.
dalethorn
If the equalizer is set flat or switched ‘off’, then it should not have any effect on sound or volume.
Spud
I know, it does sound better with the EQ off. The issue is wanting to add more or less to a song that is lacking in the area you getting too much or little of. Especially from a badly compress song.It seems with the EQ settings on you don’t get the same overall quality with it off.
dalethorn
The equalizer I use has a “preamp” setting, the purpose of which is to limit the sound so that where you boost the EQ (for example, plus 6 db at 2 khz) the amp is not overloaded. If you can’t get to a setting like that, then you might need a different approach. BTW, when you say the quality drops, do you mean that you have all EQ settings to “flat” (i.e. zero), then turn the equalizer on and it gets worse sound?
dalethorn
I just got a line on a “First Harmonic IEB6” — looks promising, and low cost too.
Aman Anuraj
Hi. Would appreciate some purchase advice. I’m trying to decide between the JH Audio Layla and Mrspeakers ETHER (undecided about closed or open since I don’t need an isolated environment). So I’ve weird in that I’ve never really had a pair of full size headphones only CIEMs due to travel (which changed recently). I have a pair of JHA16s that I love and will be retaining. Would you say I ought to go for the Ether and will notice a significant difference in say the soundstage/cohesiveness? Or would you say I ought to stick to the devil I know and upgrade onto Layla? Thanks!
dalethorn
Got the v-moda Wireless. Running a couple hours with zero glitches. Clean sound, very similar to M100, with a little more “presence” in the upper mids to low treble. Tried walking far away from iPhone indoors – 30 to 35 feet, still perfectly smooth with no glitches. It’s bassy, like the M100.
dalethorn
Correction – much more treble than the M100. It’s OK in a way insofar as it balances the bass better than the M100, but it could be a problem with some music.
dalethorn
Just got the new Beyer DT1770. I think I’m gonna love it. One of the very best signatures out of the box I ever heard. Near-perfect bass is rare, at least in the stuff I buy. This DT1770 has far fewer flaws than any Beyer I’ve had (T1, T90, T51p, DT1350, DT770-32, COP, others).
dalethorn
I’ve now measured (by ear) about the flattest sound I’ve ever heard with the Tesla 2.0 DT1770. This headphone is amazing – not only a perfect bass with warmth, but upper treble sparkle that’s better than anything I’ve heard outside of the HD800.
Headfonia_L.
I quite liked it as well. Typical Beyer sound 🙂
dalethorn
My DT-1770 is very atypical. The usual strong peaks with T1, T90, DT770 are very subdued, the bass is not hollow or boomy like the DT770-32, and the upper harmonics are better than any Beyer headphone I’ve ever heard.
dalethorn
V-MODA is making the new ‘Zn’ IEM available now. To me it sounds a lot like the M100 or Wireless, but being a decent IEM, it has better detail. $180 USD.
digitldlnkwnt
Hey Folks, hope everyone is having great holiday where applicable.
Question for the group. I’m looking to upgrade from my iBasso DX90 w/Rockbox to something better. So far I’m considering the AK100 or AK120 mk2 versions. I’m leaning toward the AK100 mostly due to price, and the AK120 for the balanced out. Most of all I would like to know what you guys think will be the biggest wow factor upgrading from the DX90. I’m also open to hearing about some other DAPs people would think are a good next step. Thanks!
Headfonia_L.
AK120II – Fiio X7 – L5PRO
Clarity, detail, layering, depth, sound stage
digitldlnkwnt
Thanks L. The X7 looked really nice but it’s a bit harder to get in the states. I found one import company that sells them here. is HF planning to do a review on the X7?
Headfonia_L.
Oh yes, been using it for a few weeks already
dalethorn
I got a Charleston Cable Cardas 1.5m replacement for my DT1770 Pro. Really nice, better clarity without changing the signature, and also extended the extreme highs without making it brighter. Highly recommended.
Headfonia_L.
Indeed, C3 is top quality!
YourFace
Hi,
I currently own an ATH-M50 and was wondering, what HP would serve as a good upgrade that doesn’t break the bank? I would like something that has a better/a bit punchier bass response with a better overall sound stage, if that exist. Comfort is important too since I may be using them for extended periods from time to time. I was considering the Sennheiser HD25-1 II, but I’m not sure if it will fulfill my needs or if there are better options out there, preferably at ~$300.
dalethorn
My first choice would be the Mad Dog, second probably the Philips X1 or X2 even though I haven’t heard them, third choice AKG K553 (a real bargain). I wouldn’t recommend the Beyer DT770 as a replacement for the M50, because it’s so different and not balanced as neutrally as the M50.
Peter Pan
Hello i am an HD 650 owner and love them.
Do you have any suggestions for closed back cans with the same sound more or less?
I listen only to classical
Headfonia_L.
LCD-XC 😀
Peter Pan
Oopps forgott to mention that it should be around the price of HD650 or cheaper as it is going to be used as secondary can at home when kids are noisy! I already own AKG K550 but i find the to bright and artificial.
Dave Ulrich
Maybe the Beyerdynamic 770 32ohm edition?
dalethorn
A very different kind of sound.
Peter Pan
well i never heard a beyerdynamic can so why not if i can find and audition one.
Headfonia_L.
It doesn’t sound like the HD650 at all 😉
H6, NAD VISO HP50
Peter Pan
Ok now thats a lot more easy to find here in Greece.
And a sennheiser suggestion please?
And how about nad viso 30 for a more budget solution?
dalethorn
I’d get the Momentum v2 – the worst case is softness in the upper treble, like the HP50 etc. Stay away from Momentum Junior though.
Edit – HD202 – ugh. And Viso30? Better read some reviews.
Peter Pan
Thanks a lot for your time! I think i will be able to audition the momentum in a local store and to see if they suit me.
Peter Pan
Ok thanks but i forgott to mention that the price should be around HD650 or less because i am going to use them as secondary cans at home when things are getting noisy!
I already own AKG K550 but i find them too bright and artificial.
dalethorn
MrSpeakers Mad Dog.
Peter Pan
Thank you and maybe something from the sennheiser house?
(it is much more easy to find them were i live)
Peter Pan
Hi guys! I need help especially from Lieven!
I own HD650 and i have ordered fidelio X2 from an amazon deal but i am not sure if it is worth it over the HD650.
I listen only to classical(all kinds) and i use DR.Dac3 to drive my senns.
Please help shoul i cancel or not?
Headfonia_L.
I wouldn’t call that a specially good amp for the HD650, the X2 as a result would probably sound better to your ears
Peter Pan
I really don’t have any complaints about the HD650 maybe i find the soundstage a little congested and the instrument separation not very good.
So i understand that the difference isnt going to be that huge so i should buy them.
And by the way what is the minimun solid state amp to make the HD’s sing?
or otl (but for the european market)
Peter Pan
Well anyone?
dalethorn
I’ve been eyeing the new Grace DAC/amp that Massdrop has been selling for $500. The Mojo looks interesting too. The key for the 650 and other similar headphones is power reserve – if there’s enough power reserve, the headphone won’t sound like it’s straining to breathe.
Peter Pan
Ok thank you. And by power reserve you mean in watts output or volts rms? Ihave read that Hd650 need 7volts rms to shine and my amp is exactly that.(20vpp). Dale the Hd650 is a full body sound like a good speaker. Is the x2 of the same caliber or it is more light sounding?
dalethorn
The X2 is good, but not as neutral as the 650. Of course the 650 isn’t exactly neutral, but still follows the Sennheiser sound scheme with more warmth. I’ve had several Phillips headphones and am impressed with their great build quality and good sound, but you need to know you can adjust to that sound, or just take a chance. The bass may be similar in both, but the Philips will have a greater recess in the presence region and a bigger peak around 9-10 khz. Similar to some Beyerdynamics.
Edit: I don’t usually count volts anymore, I just read the reviews and figure which amps are considered to have the best power based on what headphones are reviewed with them. Now the 650’s impedance jumps to 500 at 100 hz – the upper bass, and that’s where the smaller weaker amps fail.
Peter Pan
Thank you a lot for the very usefull information.Well i will stick with my beloved HD650 and try to improve my amplification.
Their sound is like a drug since i have heard them i can’t listen to another headphone!
Now Lieven suggested two very good amps but i would also like your opinion about Asgard 2 or Valhala 2.
dalethorn
I haven’t heard them, but everything else being equal, I’d choose the one with more power. Lieven’s suggestions there are like gold, since he is very tuned in to the 650. It’s a funny thing that I don’t have the newer 650, since it represents my ideal sound curve.
Peter Pan
Well you should get it as soon as you can afford it and believe me its love from the first sight!
Regards Petros.
Headfonia_L.
V100 by Violectric or the G109 from lakepeople. Check our reviews!
Peter Pan
Ok thank you , i have read almost all you reviews but you know can’t remember everything i am lost!
dalethorn
It’s a tradeoff – you spend more time, but less money.
Peter Pan
What about G103s? to save some money….
granolamonster
Hi all, loving working through your reviews! I’m a student over in the UK and I spend most of my time working in various locations (the library, my office, endless coffee shops) and so I have recently bought a cambridge audio dacmagic xs and a pair of AKG N60s to work with. HOWEVER, I’m finding the N60s a little small for my head, although I love their sound, do you have any particular recommendations around the £150-300 mark for other reasonably portable headphones that are either noise isolating or noise cancelling (like the N60s)? I’ve tried on some Grado Sr80s which I loved but sadly don’t block enough noise, and a pair of AKG K550s which I also loved but aren’t portable enough – help! Thanks.
Headfonia_L.
Please stay away from NC. Think Momentum on ear, HD25, T51P, Vmoda XS
granolamonster
Ok, I can stay away from NC. It’s a little useful but I admit most things sound better without it. I think I’d rather go after some over-ear headphones if at all possible because I tend to be working for such long sessions! I tried some of the momentum 2s but wasn’t that taken by them. I quite like the look of the Oppo PM-3s which would push my budget, but I don’t know if they are portable enough and worth the extra money – these will have to last me a fair while at this price!
Headfonia_L.
DT770PRo 32!
granolamonster
They look interesting and they are so much cheaper than the others I was looking at. Sadly I can’t find anywhere to try them near me. One thing, are they actually portable? They look like they would fall into the AKG K550 category of being too big to get in a bag everyday? I can’t tell if they fold up at all. This is my difficulty – fold up, good sound, over ear, not too pricey. Thanks for the pointers by the way!
dalethorn
B&O H6 – fair sound, folds flat, easy to pack, good isolation.
granolamonster
I did try the H6’s but the environment wasn’t ideal, perhaps I should give them another go.
dalethorn
I should also note the Bose QC-25 — not ideal for home use, but pleasant for portable use, with a fairly neutral signature in Active mode, and fold up small with an excellent carry case.
granolamonster
I was going to get a pair of the QC-25s but two of my colleagues had pairs that developed dead cans within 12 months which made me change my mind. P7’s are nice but I’d rather save the money by comparing them with the H6s. These N60s are nice I just wish they were a bit comfier. I’d like to try some of the v-moda’s but not sure there is anywhere with them in the north of England 🙁
dalethorn
The v-moda XS, M80, V80 (all same sound) are very colored. I would never consider using them without EQ, but then again, I don’t use them anyway because of the comfort. Better sound and comfort by far is the Beyer T51p or T51i. The v-moda M100 is a bass monster.
Headfonia_L.
I mentioned almost all these before but I suppose they don’t interest him.
dalethorn
It’s difficult to get smaller in full size headphones and still have great sound. But the T51’s are small, comfortable, have good sound and decent isolation, so I think people need to see them in person to appreciate that.
granolamonster
Thanks for all of your suggestions, B&Os are en-route for testing!
granolamonster
Ok, just a quick update. After two days with the H6s I am very pleased – I think these will be staying! The sound is getting better the longer I use them, and they change completely when paired with the dacmagic xs. Now I just need to find a case and alternative cable for them! Thanks very much for the suggestion – excellent advice!
dalethorn
I like the flat zippered cases like the Grado store sells for Grados, although a slimmer case would be better since Grados are bulkier even when folded flat. I have several flat-ribbon cables whose terminators (sleeve and plug) fit perfectly into the H6 earcup jack, and they work great. I also have some Thinksound woven cables whose terminators look perfect, but they don’t work.
granolamonster
I’d noticed the Grado ones and was wondering whether I might be able to get someone on ETSY to make up one. The leather B&O ones look lovely but they must be joking at the price they are. I’d never considered myself as having big ears today, they just touch the inside of the cup on these, but they don’t seem uncomfortable – just an odd experience coming from on-ear headphones. Any idea who the flat-ribbon cables are by? I’ll be looking for sensibly priced cables but once again have no idea who makes decent ones (other than the several hundred dollar ones featured in one of your reviews!) at a reasonable price. Thanks.
dalethorn
I think my flat-ribbon cables came from Bluetooth speakers I bought. The key anyway is to make sure the sleeve ahead of the plug is narrow enough to fit.
granolamonster
A little update – the H6s you recommended are still excellent. The dacmagic xs definitely helps – I was wondering what other DACs (in a similar price range say aroun £100-150) might be worth trying? And would they provide a noticeable difference? Also, that case you recommended has solved the transportation issues!
dalethorn
AudioQuest has 2 newer versions of the DragonFly – one for $99 USD that has a 1.2V limit so it will (supposedly) work with smartphones. The other version is $199 USD, and that would probably work only with computers or devices that can handle the USB voltage. I have the older DragonFly, so the newer ones should be really good. The FiiO E17k is a good DAC/amp for smartphones and computers – I use that sometimes. And I have a new FiiO ‘K1’ (I think that’s the name) on the way to my mailbox today, and it’s only about $40, but I will have to give it some tests. The nicest DAC/amp I’ve used with the iPhone or iPods is the Oppo HA-2, because of the form factor and build quality, but it’s $300 USD. For absolute sound quality, I don’t know that the new DragonFly at $99 can match the DragonFly V1.2 that I have now, because the computer sound is different from the iPhone sound, even when playing the exact uncompressed WAV track on both devices – even when the music player is iTunes on both devices.
granolamonster
Wow what a lot of DACs. I’m mostly switching between spotify and a handful of flac albums at the moment. The Oppo HA-2 looks amazing but is perhaps a little bit out of my price range. The K1 sounds interesting, I assume it will be very similar to the Dacmagic xs I currently have. Fiio are completely new to me, I will have to see if I can borrow one to try one! Any other FiiO’s I should try? I’ve seen the Chord Mojo being bandied around in various forums – any experience with it?
dalethorn
The Chord Mojo may be the best bet for portable in its price range. If I were spending $500-$700, I’d buy the Massdrop edition of the Grace DAC/amp. I don’t see much sense in spending close to $1000 or much higher, for something used in noisy environments. In a hotel room – yes. On a jet plane or the bus, train – no. You just won’t hear what you’re paying for. I have the FiiO E17k, E07k, and this new K1. Certainly the E17k gives you the best combination of flexibility, sound quality, features etc., for less than the Oppo HA-2. I wouldn’t look for anything in between the HA-2 and E17k, unless you’re attracted by the features or form.
dalethorn
I googled Hard Case for B&O H6 and found lots of them at good prices. Here’s one: http://www.o-electronics.uk/product/laptop-computers/convertibles/b00eijiyzm/v-mota-hcmotasj1-phone-accessory
granolamonster
I’m really intrigued by the v-moda headphones but unfortunately I couldn’t find any retailers near me who had any to try. The same is sadly true of the Beyers as well. The T51s sound good but I’m slightly wary of the on-ear aspect. I’ve just ordered a pair of H6s which should arrive tomorrow – I will report back! Thanks very much for all the suggestions – it has been a busy day of research.
dalethorn
Bose is notorious …. I had the QC-2, which had a marvelous midrange but a little too much upper bass. Never took it outdoors, and after about 10 months one side of the headband (plastic) literally disintegrated. I duct-taped that. A month later the other side disintegrated, and I duct-taped it. Then one week after the warranty ran out, the electronics quit. So I junked it. The QC-25 looked better, but who knows? In spite of the QC-2 and other people’s experiences with Bose, I’ve had far worse experiences with a lot (a lot) of small Sony products. My list to stay far, far away from is Sony, Hewlett-Packard, Motorola, a few others…
granolamonster
My last pair were Bose and they have lasted 10 years. It’s just a shame more modern versions aren’t as sturdy. I’ve just found the H6s on offer so may be tempted to get a pair, any final thoughts? They seem like a popular pair – hoping they are manageable for everyday travelling!
dalethorn
My Bose QC-1 and QC-2, and most of the severe complaints I’ve read, were Bose gear from more than 10 years ago. Of the 7-8 Bose items I’ve had in the most recent 4 years, all have been good.
I have 2 of the H6’s now, and traded off 2 others.
granolamonster
I tried some H6s before but perhaps I should revisit them! Any more suggestions for over-ear but portable headphones? All help much appreciated – now feeling overwhelmed by the sheer volume (!) of headphones out there!
dalethorn
The only others I can think of that are really around-ear (avoiding the “over ear” scam) is the B&W P7, or maybe the Yamaha MT220.
dalethorn
I bought a Beyer “Custom Street”. Almost nobody is talking about it. Can it be that bad? I guess I will know by tomorrow or Wednesday.
dalethorn
I did my listening on the middle position of 3 positions. Still a very strong bass, not boomy though – real impact. But the treble – yikes! Huge dip around 4 khz followed by a huge peak around 5 khz. Pretty smooth above that. But also a little weird in the lower mids. Good quality physically, but the sound – strictly for equalizers.
hana
Hi there! Can someone kindly help me to choose between fiio X5SG and iBasso dx80. I chose X5SG over DX90 before they released DX80 but DX80 looks really good with the improved UI and battery life. So now I’m stuck between X5SG and DX80. Please help 🙁
Headfonia_L.
DX80s UI insn’t the best. The X5SG is quite old too but the SQ is nice. Why not X7?
hana
Thank you so much for the reply.My budget is under 400-500 dollars. So I don’t think X7 will be an option. Have you listened to the DX80? If yes how is the sound qaulity compared to X5SG? Is there a big difference in sq?
Headfonia_L.
I have had the DX80 for 2 weeks now. It’s still in its box
dalethorn
Bought a Beyer T70p – much better than the Custom Street, and nearly as good as the DT1770 Pro.
Headfonia_L.
Have you heard the original T70?
dalethorn
No – I always wanted the portable version, but felt the price was too high for an “in-between” headphone. But then Massdrop had it for only $269 USD, so I finally got it. I wouldn’t recommend it for outdoor use when wearing glasses, because it really loses the already-weak bass it has. Actually the bass is OK, but the strong mids output makes it sound thin. Anyway, I expected it to be really bright, but the portable version isn’t that bright – just a moderate peak in the usual place.
Fredrik Übervaag Hjorth
Hi!
I’ve been looking for a pair of headphones for ages. It would be great to get some help from professionals like you 🙂
It’s really hard to make a decision without being able to audition anything, since I live in a small city where none of the stores has demo products. I’ve spent countless of hours reading through head-fi and other forums, but forming an impression of what suits me the best is really hard.
Budget: $400. I live in Norway, though, so some headphones might be cheaper, while others more expensive.
Source: I’m trying to find a headphone I can use outdoors, although I will be using at home for the most part. I will be using my phone (Galaxy S6), laptop and PC (Xonar DX) to power the headphones.
Requirements for isolation: Not that important, but it has to block out people talking at moderate volumes.
Preferred type of headphone: Preferably over-ear, but on-ears works as well.
Preferred music and tonal balance: I mostly listen to EDM, trance, house, hip-hop and rap (in that order), so I want a slightly V-shaped sound signature. I love listening to music with female vocals (especially Lana Del Rey) and I really like that sharp and detailed feeling in the treble, if that’s an understandable description.
Past headphones: I recently got the Philips Fidelio L2, and I love the wide soundstage and detailed treble, but the bass is a bit too lacking for me, so I’m returning them soon, if that’s any reference. I know the L2’s bass is more than neutral, and while it felt very accurate, it just didn’t have enough punch to it. In some songs it was definitiely enough, but I felt like something was missing in many songs. I tried using an equalizer to slightly boost the bass, but the same problem still occured, some songs just felt too lacking, while others were nice.
I have been looking at the MDR-1A, ATH-M50x and Sennheiser Momentum (1st gen), but being unable to listen to any of them, and people’s opinions on the internet differing greatly, I have no idea which one suits me the best.
But please suggest any headphones as long it looks OK enough for me to wear in public and costs less than $400.
I hope I can finally pull the trigger on something that fits me!
Thanks a lot in advance for any help! It’s greatly appreciated 🙂
Fredrik Übervaag Hjorth
I love your articles by the way! Always very interesting reads.
dalethorn
The Beyerdynamic DT770-32 and the Custom One Pro Plus fit your description for the most part. I like the AKG K553 a lot better than the ATH M50 series. The B&W P7 is a possibility, but it’s not as hi-fi as the DT770-32. If you wouldn’t mind the ‘lifestyle’ sound with relaxed treble, the Senn Momentum version 2 might be good.
Alexandra Hanny
Hi! I read your reviews and I was looking for a recommendation. I’m unable to decide between the HIFIMAN HE400i and the Sennheiser HD650! I like a variety of music and would like the overall best choice. Both of them are the same price ($300) and really similar! I have an O2+ODAC dac/amp combo. Thanks you very much!!
Headfonia_L.
I don’t like the O2, especially not with the HD650. Problem solved 😉
Alexandra Hanny
Thanks! Ordered the 400i! 🙂
hana
Hi.. So after doing a lot of research and going through many reviews I finally bought a Fiio X7. I must say it feels amazing to listen to it. I’m thinking of buying a good IEM for it and many of my friends has suggested me to go for RHA T20 which has very positive reviews. what do you guys think? Will it go well with Fiio x7?
Headfonia_L.
Oh yes indeed, just don’t expect big bodied bass. You will get less body but good punch, and tightness. I think they’ll get along very well
hana
Thank you so much. Love your articles btw 🙂
Marty
Happy New! And a question to start into the new year. I want to reach end game level for my setup. I’ve a Hugo and LCD-XC already but can’t decide where to go further Violectric V281 or Alo’s CDM?
Headfonia_L.
Happy NY! The V281 is a superb amp (see my review). that is end game. The CDM is very good but not V281 good. The choice is easy 🙂
Terry Tsui
Headfonia:
Hey, Sir Headfonia. I am currently searching for a CIEM,i have tried the JH 16 pro and i found it fulfill my requirement mostly, yet, i am still struggling with my picks after reading the reviews here. I tried the IEM -Jupiter too, I love its treble and Mid while the lacking of bass can’t fulfill my needs to EDM.
I am just wondering which should i get for my CIEM among the choices of JH16 pro (p.s. I know you don’t prefer CIEM now, but anyway, thanks,sir XD) , JH Angie, JH Roxanne, CE6E, the Harmony 8 Pro the Earwerkz Legend R, Lime Ears Aether, VE6 , K10 n FitEars or any suggestion.
Remarks: My preference of headphone are HFI 780 n Audeze LCD-2, and i am looking for some punchy bass for my EDM, and airy n spacious mid,treble for some HIFI songs. Currenly, my sounds source are LG G4 mobile , .Wav files n some sound cloud EDM. I am going for a serious player after i decide what IEM should i go.
I realize i am a bit greedy to ask such a huge question, but i really need the help of headfonia.
Many Thanks.
Regards
Terry
dalethorn
Got the Edifier H650 small plastic on-ear headphone today. It looks very, very much like the Sennheiser PX200ii, except where the PX200ii earpads are the kind that deteriorate rapidly, the H650 uses a better plastic that looks like it will last a long time. Out of the box and used outdoors, the bass is a bit light and the treble also, but the midrange doesn’t stick out like the PX200ii. Probably because the treble has some deep recesses. Fortunately the H650 doesn’t have the extra cord length with the analog volume control.
dalethorn
I bought a Edifier H650 – a tiny lightweight plastic headphone that looks nearly identical to the Sennheiser PX200-II (analog volume control version). It sounds just as good as costs half as much ($28 -vs- $56 typically). It may be the OEM for the PX200-II, don’t know. It has better earpads than the more expensive Sennheiser. The H650 could serve as a good portable except for 2 things: A weak bass, and essentially no isolation.
dalethorn
FiiO K1 DAC/amp — $39 USD — connected to an iPhone 6s-plus, compared to a second iPhone 6s-plus out of the headphone jack. It drives a Beyer DT-1770 Pro just fine (250 ohm I think), and comparing bass tracks, the FiiO is tighter, more detailed, with at least as much impact. The iPhone 6s-plus has good audio, but the K1 makes it better. The difference in bass is not subtle – it’s obvious. I haven’t got the last word on treble and extension yet – the FiiO is doing well, and may be distinctly better, but time will tell. This marvelous little gadget works from iPhone power, and all I’m using to connect it is the K1’s included cable, and the Apple USB-A female to Lightning cable. The new $99 DragonFly that’s volt-limited to work with iPhones is the natural competitor, so I will have to obtain one of those.
Edit: After 2 hours use, the power drain seems less than using the Oppo HA-2, even though the HA-2 has its own power. Amazing.
Shir Uziel
Hay so a faw days ago i saw this headphones on the bus and I just can’t find out which brand it is ! HELP? I tried to search on google… no luck 🙁
Shir Uziel
photo
Headfonia_L.
No idea, sry
dalethorn
Search google for “headphone images” – I couldn’t find a good match, so probably it’s some OEM model.
Ray Mac
saw on your facebook that you were recommending a kickstarter project, have a look at this kickstarter project as it is getting rave reviews https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/214784295/mitchell-and-johnson-electrostatz-headphones/description
Marty
Hello Headfonia, I’m in need of new InEars and want CIEM now. Which Cosmic Ear is more neutral? CE4P or CE3P ?
Headfonia_L.
In the CE Range I’m tempted to say the 5, So the 4 for you 🙂
Marty
thx, contected them already. Will order soon.
David Uhlmann
Hi Headfonia, I need your statetement… Buyed a Hifiman HE-560, have an O2 Desktop Amp. Which Amp between 200 and 500 $ do you recommend to drive the Hifiman HE-560? Is the Bottlehead Crack a good choice or Yuking La Figaro 332C? Any sugestions?
Thanks a lot!
Headfonia_L.
Maybe the A20 from Beyer to give it some warmth and body. The crack isn’t really for the 560 as it is an orthodynamic. THe LAFigaro 339 is highly recommended
Marty
Hello Lieven, as I believe to know, you still like the HD650 and listen to it from time to time,which got me interessted in it, cause I have so much totl headphone on hand. which amp (which must be not imported as a european resident) would you choose?
Headfonia_L.
Hi. I use it daily! Non imported I would choose the Violectric V100/200/281 or the Beyerdynalic A20 if you’re on a budget.
But really try the imported Crack or 339 🙂
Marty
Thanks Lieven, even more impressed you use it daily. Sadly missed a crack on head-fi some does ago. Will keep my eyes open. Thanks.
dalethorn
Here’s a short summary of several low-budget headphones I’ve gotten recently: Edifier H650 (~$30): Weak bass, soft treble, bass boosts OK, but treble gets choppy. ATH SJ-11 (~$30): Nearly neutral, good bass, amazing for the price. Edifier H840 (~$40): Strong emphasized bass but near neutral from there up – very good basshead headphone. 1More MK801 (~$90): Strong bass a la v-moda M100, but less colored from mids on up – excellent basshead headphone. Xiaomi ‘Mi’ (~$85): Strong bass but weak lower treble, with awesome packaging and hard case and extra earpads in different styles – best quality build under $400. Creative Aurvana Live (~$50): Very strong bass and weak mid-treble, sounds somewhat muffled, decent build, not a good deal imo. MEE HT21 (~$15): Sounds great as a portable, but emphasized around 1.5 khz and big rolloff at 9 khz and above. Bass is near perfect – a really good deal I think.
RoundTheWorld
Hello Headfonia Team,
I am currently looking to buy a new high capacity DAP.
After auditioning the Fiio X1i, X3i, X5i, iBasso DX80, AK100 (mk1), I couldn’t really say I enjoyed any of them, except for the AK100 (mk1) which is now defunct but still expensive for what it is.
To me they were all not clean enough and grainy (Fiios) or to slow or lacked attack (DX80).
I mainly appreciate a faster sound signature akin to the Ety ER4s, which suffered especially with the DX80.
I had also listened very briefly to the ZX2, which was nice, a bit too polite with big soundstage but ultimately overpriced.
Now I stumbled upon the ZX100 which is supposed to be very similar to the ZX2 in terms of components at half the price.
Do you guys know anything about the ZX100 (why so little coverage?) and how it compares to perhaps the A20? And whether it would be worth a buy, especially with a 15mW output?
I would probably attach an amp to the ZX100 in the long run.
.
Thanks for your help.
Vaibhav Pisal
Hello Headfonia,
I am looking for getting a solid state amp for my Sennheiser hd700. I was going to get burson soloist sl. But one of my friends auditioned hugo and said it was very close to auralic stack. Do you think if I go for mojo, I will get as much performance as burson out of my hd700? I cant audition any of two where I live.
Thanks.
Headfonia_L.
Mojo won’t do as good.
Vaibhav Pisal
Great. Thanks for reply. I will stick to soloist sl.
Johan De Spiegeleer
Which dap(s) have best synergy with sennhiser ie 800 .Have now i pod classic (last gen) Which would be a step-up in sq?
Johan De Spiegeleer
for me the sound quality i pod classic is already great. but didn’t have any experience with other daps.May be the sq of classic is top?
dalethorn
The newest iPhones and iPod Touch are better, more hi-fi, but depending on your tracks and your headphone, might be too revealing. IE800 has strong treble balanced by strong bass, so depends on the music tracks I’d guess.
Rohail Waseem
Hi. Love your website! Thanks for all the reviews. I’m very new to all of this, and I just bought dt770 32ohm based on headfonia’s review. When connected to my android phone, they feel somewhat underpowered. I’m craving for that punch, which I am just not getting. So I’m in the market for an amp or dac/amp combo.
I’m going to be primarily using the headphones connected to my cellphone. Do you recommend a dac to improve sound quality? Or should an amp be enough? If you recommend a dac, then I’m looking for the most value for money dac/amp (portable) combo, around the 100 dollar mark. What do you think would pair well with dt770 32ohm?
dalethorn
FiiO DAC/amps are good.
Headfonia_L.
Dale is right. And if you have an iphone: Oppo HA-2 (more expensive)
Rohail Waseem
I see. Fiio Q1 seems like the best choice then. Does a DAC significantly improve sound quality? As I said, I’m only going to be listening to music through my phone on Spotify. So just curious if it’s worth investing in.
Headfonia_L.
At this level I personally don’t find it to be an improvement. I’d either go for something good like the HA2 or save your money and buy your GF some flowers
Elzafir Habsjah
Hi guys, I have a question.
I have a Sennheiser HD650 and currently paired with the FiiO E10K DAC/Amp. The FiiO is not driving the Senn to it’s full potential. I’m thinking of getting the Schiit Magni 2 & Modi 2 combo (I love their look & their small size) to replace the FiiO. Will it be a good combination with the HD650? Should I spring for a (used) WooAudio WA3? If not, what should I get? Budget is around $200-250.
Headfonia_L.
Bottlehead Crack
Elzafir Habsjah
Thanks for your reply. I’ve heard great things about the Crack, but it is kinda hard to get in Indonesia. What would you recommend as a ‘second best’ option if I can’t import the Crack?
dalethorn
What tube amps are available in your area?
Elzafir Habsjah
Headfonia Store only has the $5000 Cypher Labs Prautes on pre-order, which I don’t have the money for.
Jaben only has the $900 WooAudio WA6 in stock, also way out of my budget.
Kantong Kresek and Dontblameyourears has no tube amps in stock.
Although, I can get a used WA3 and replacement tubes from a friend for roughly $300. Or get a Schiit Magni Modi 2 stack from a local importer for $250, hence my original question.
Headfonia_L.
Prautes is $3900. Check out WA3 and 339
dalethorn
I like Schiit, but the WA3 would be good also.
granolamonster
Hi all, well I’ve had my B&O H6’s a few months now and they are excellent. At the same time that I got them I purchased a Cambridge Audio DacMagic xs to help them along. However, it (the DAC) seems to have some technical issue and keeps dropping out at random, so I’m on the hunt for another decent DAC. Unfortunately I’m not in the UK (I’m in NZ for a few months) so can’t return the faulty DAC. Anyway – any pointers of what would work well with the H6’s? I’m thinking of the Fiio E10K (I don’t really need battery functionality of the E17, or rather don’t understand the need for DAC+Battery) – would the E10K be a good choice? I think these cans wouldn’t mind a little bit more colour in the sound, they are very neutral at the moment. Am I missing some other reasonably priced DAC? Thanks!
dalethorn
What’s the other components, beginning to end? Computer? Phone?
granolamonster
I’m generally thinking of using this set up with my MacBook Air or work iMac. Playing a mixture of Flac recordings and Spotify Premium. I’m happy to compromise with the phone where I am only playing spotify anyway, plus the sound quality on the new Nexus 5x seems pretty decent.
dalethorn
My favorite for Macbook is the Dragonfly v1.2, for the B&O H6. Other comparable DACs are Microstreamer and Audioengine D3. The Dragonfly especially. But there’s also a new low-power Dragonfly for phones, although I haven’t seen it yet. I’ve used the E07k and E17k with my iPhone 6, and they’re OK, but other than increased volume, they don’t help much. With the older phones they help more.
granolamonster
I’ve heard quite a lot about the Dragonfly V1.2 but haven’t had a chance to test it. It’s one of the few DACs I can pick up in NZ so definitely an option. I’m not worried about running a DAC through my phone so that is fine. Isn’t the Dragonfly quite old now – are there any rumours of a follow up? I take it you didn’t like the new small Fiio offering then?
dalethorn
I have the FiiO K1 – extremely small, and it works! Also other FiiOs, but nothing to compete with DF v1.2 – the original Dragonfly is old, but v1.2 only about one year. The new Dragonflys ($100 and $200 USD) will replace v1.2 I think, and the cheaper compatible with phones, and the more expensive for computers.
granolamonster
Any idea when the new Dragonflys will be available – I don’t see anything on the audioquest site about them? I need something a bit more robust, the cambridgeaudio dacmagic xs seems to have developed a lose usb connection from use so I’m trying to find something a bit more solid!
Headfonia_L.
The 1.2 is the last Dragonfly, it isn’t that old yet
granolamonster
Well if they have these two new versions due soon (Black and Red) I might just wait. Has anyone had a chance to test them yet at any of the shows?
granolamonster
True true, I’ve just got in touch with the dealer out here. I’m going to wait for the new dragonfly red to be available then give it a test. Will you be getting one in to test on the site?
Headfonia_L.
I don’t know yet, maybe I will. I still have to publish the 1.2 🙂
granolamonster
Ha ha! I wasn’t going to mention that 😛 but the dragonfly red sounds like it should be a quality product!
dalethorn
I thought they would be out by now – they are really slow. The quality is great. But like L said, the v1.2 is not old, and it’s really good.
granolamonster
The microsftreamer looks good (and I can get hold of one) the question is, is it worth almost twice the price of the Dragonfly? I can’t get hold of the D3 sadly 🙁
dalethorn
The new DF v1.2 is better, so the Microstreamer is not as good of a deal. The Microstreamer has two outputs – one headphone and one Line Out, so a small advantage there.
mrequalizer
Hi, i am using a HD600 as my daily headphone during work 8-10 hours a day and i need so say that i am not that happy because they are getting uncomfortable after about 3-6 hours to me :/ Using a UD120 as DAC and a Corda Jazz-ff or a Bottlehead Crack (prefered amp) as Amp i wanted to ask for any recommendations on a more comfy headphone that would maybe also an upgrade to my current ones.
Thanks in advance 🙂
dalethorn
For sound, the AKG K712 might be comparable, but I can’t say it’s more comfortable. The Shure SRH-1440 might compare on comfort, but may or may not be slightly brighter since I didn’t have both at the same time to compare.
mrequalizer
Thanks for your response. I tested the K712 from a colleague a view weeks ago and comfort wise it wasnt really better than my HD600. I also think that it would not play nice with my BH Crack because of the low impedance.
dalethorn
I see a FiiO EM3 earbud (not IEM) on the ads here. Anybody have a source?
Headfonia_L.
They’re ready to be shipped to reviewers
http://www.fiio.net/en/products/52
dalethorn
I got a HD25SP – $100 cheaper than the HD25-1-II. The earpads are worse than the worst I’ve ever seen before, so I replaced them with pleather pads from a cheap Yamaha HPH100. The sound is very good – like the Amperior I used to have, but without the upper bass hump. The cable is the same as the HD600 – 100 feet long, so I need a short replacement.
Gabriel Ross
L. Do you have any views on the Fostex T50rp- mk3? Good things are being said about them. Could they or should they be my first mid-fi orthodynamics? As always I come to you for the truth.
Headfonia_L.
No idea, sorry :/
Gabriel Ross
L. Do you have any views on the Fostex T50rp- mk3? Good things are being said about them. Could they or should they be my first mid-fi orthodynamics? As always I come to you for the truth.
dalethorn
I’ve been looking at the Mk3, but haven’t bought it because of all the other stuff I’m working on. It looks like a really good deal, especially if you’re interested in experimenting with tweaking the sound.
David Uhlmann
Dear all, I use the Hifiman HE560 Headphone, driven with a Beyerdynamic A20 (Suggestions from Headfonia – thanks a lot!). Now I search a cable with SMC-Connectors for my Hifiman, with 3.5mm Plug for Mobile Listening. I buyed one cable from Ebay, but the Middles are flat and to cold. Can you recommend a cable in the Price-Range of +/- 100 – 150 $ that sounds well? For me it’s important, that the sound is even a little warmer than too cold. Thanks a lot!
dalethorn
I bought a Cardas cable for my DT1770 headphone, and it was configured by Charleston Cable Company. It’s always best, regardless of who does the terminations on your cable, to deal with someone who you can send the cable back to without customs fees or other problems, in case you need a repair or replacement.
Headfonia_L.
Go for copper! The budget might be a little low for an aftermarket boutique cable though
dalethorn
For anyone curious about earbuds (not IEMs), I just got the $150 or so Yuin PK1, which sounds the same as the Yuin PK2, and which has zero low bass and very thin upper bass. Whatever the charm of these earbuds, I don’t get it…
Danni Veng
L, I’m young in love with my new WA6 (Princess Sophia) that makes my HD650 as happy as I’ve never heard them before. But this is also my first journey into tubes & rolling. I’ve read a lot of your reviews and recommendations about the HD650 and how it couples great with the Crack OTL, La Figaro 339 etc. Right now I hear my music via a Y-cable to my iPhone 6. Not the best solution :-). I want to add a DAC to my PC/laptop and go that way. Would a Dacport LX still be a good solution here in 2016 if I am not to spend a great amount of money? Thanks for a great site.
Headfonia_L.
I’d go for the Herus, Concero, etc
Danni Veng
And if I would like to spend less on a DAC to my WA6 + HD650 desktop setup at work – am I then being a bit ‘unreasonable’ :-)?
Dave Ulrich
The LX is still a fine DAC, and if you can still find one at a good price… sure. You could probably find a Herus for similar coin, however.
Simon
I’d love to know how the Futuresonics Spectrum G10 sounds on the Chord Mojo. Pretty rocking I’m guessing?
I hope the build quality of the G10 is indeed much improved also.
Peter Pan
Hello to all of you again!
I own the moto g 3rd gen smart phone which is very average for listening to music.
What upgrade do you suggest for listening music at work when i have free time.
Should i pair the moto g with a small dac like hrt dsp (or audioquest dragonfly black)
or should i buy a small dap like fiio m3?
What solution is more practical considering that i don’t have an office?
Many thanks!
Headfonia_L.
Fiio X1 or M3
Peter Pan
Thank you , despite it’s shortcomings i will go for M3
just for the portability.
Mark
Hi Lieven, I’m currently using a portable set up comprising of CLAS -db, Vorzuge Pure II and I listen through a pair of Westone UM Pro 50. Although I really enjoy the way this set up sounds, I find it strange that I perceive the sound that comes straight out of my Macbook pro to be more immersive with a better 3D effect and larger soundstage. Could this possibly be down to the differences in the presentation of the music (by the internal amp)? Your thoughts on this oddity would be much appreciated! Thanks!
Headfonia_L.
Hi, of course I can’t listen to your setups. Is it actually better or is it just different?
Maybe the Westone sounds different when powered by the headphone port on your Macbook? Do you have any other sources to try?
The -dB and Vorzuge both are the best at what they do so I have full faith in them
dalethorn
With some headphones or earphones, just a dip in the response at a key point in the lower mids can give the sound a ‘larger’ presentation, but that’s also music-dependent. Greater accuracy may seem less spacious sometimes. Another thing that can change the soundstage is phase reversals. If one channel is out of phase with the other, that would be bad. But if both were reversed together the difference might be subtle. So if you could check phase or other issues at every connection point, it might help.
Mark
It probably is the case that a greater accuracy (more focused mids) gives the effect of a somewhat less spacious presentation. someone did mention that perhaps my ears are just more accustomed to the warmer sounding, more edgy sound produced by the cirrus logic DAC/amp in the Macbook pro. Shouldn’t be an issue with phase coherence.
Mat Stanley
Hey guys! I see someone has brought up an old favourite the CLAS! Just out of curiosity, how does the -db fare against a newer DAC like the one in the Mojo, resolution/sound wise? Cheers!
Headfonia_L.
I’m not a big fan of the Mojo, I think it’s overhyped. The -dB actually still scores very well although it isn’t the most dynamic
Mat Stanley
Hmmm interesting… yeah could be worth getting a old -db instead and saving some ££! After all most people probably won’t need anything past 24/192. Unless DSD capabilities are required. Hope to try out the Mojo sometime though!
Dennis
Hi, Mr. L and dale. I’m a really new guy here. after many days’ reading here in headfonia, i really find your articles fruitful. many thanks! Now i want a headphone to start my hifi enjoyment. would you please give me some advice?
music favor: pop vocal & classic; pure music like viola flute koto ; Yanni’s electric music,; music with more rhythm like Every Breath You Take
Source: Now I want to use PC and mobile as source before i update the source in the future.
Budget: $250 for headphone, $150 for DAC&Amp
Considering: value for money ones like ATH-m50x, Sony MDR-1A, Sony z1000, DT770 PRO 32, SenHD 598se ,welcome others if more suitable.
excuse me for my poor English and thanks in advance~
Sincerely
Dennis Wang
dalethorn
I would spend the $400 on a headphone, IF (!) you can drive it OK from your laptop and phone, and then buy a better DAC/amp in a couple of months. But if you go ahead anyway, then you need to decide if the DAC/amp needs to work from the phone, or just the computer.
Dennis
Thanks for your advice Dale~
Is it possible to drive a $400 headphone with the laptop directly?would you please suggest any? I’m afraid my mobile is not capable of this.
Actually i don’t want to sink too deep in the equipments, I just want to get some delightful moment over the music. if i get a $400 headphone, maybe another $800 should be spent to get most of the headphone right?
Headfonia_L.
yes; Or even more. Check my reply
Dennis
that’s too much for me~~~ i really don’t want to spend to much on equipment.
I find that Sen HD 600 is around $250 here in China,is that a better choice? with Fiio E10k? or others? up till now, there’s no review on the Sony MDR-1A, do you have any impressions on that headphone?
dalethorn
A HD600 and FiiO E10k or E17k would be a very good starter. Normally I avoid Sony due to quality issues, but if you do get a Sony, check where it is serviced first.
Headfonia_L.
I wouldn’t combine the HD600 with the E10K unless it’s temporary
dalethorn
Very temporary, unless I misread the previous posts. But you know, trying to have a temporary system with high-quality sound – it’s not a good mix. I would have agreed with the DT770-32, until the OP suggested the HD600.
Dennis
haha~thanks~i suggested HD600 only for the price. Sony MRD-1A ATH-50X and Sen HD 600, HD 650 are headphones that often offer discounts here, sometimes there’s also Denon AH-D600.
besides dragonfly red, is there any other amps for DT770 32 ?
dalethorn
Any DragonFly is OK for DT770-32, but not so much for HD650/600 because of impedance. Usually a USB-powered amp is the lowest power amp, and a DAC/amp that has its own battery power is better.
Dennis
unfortunately, all DragonFly products are not easy to get in mainland China, any others please?
by the way, i did some further research on DT770, some fans say the 80 ohm version is better than the 32 ohm version, and also cheaper, what do you think? should i stick to 32 ohm one?
dalethorn
The 32 ohm is the most popular headphone ever reviewed here. But feel free to take your chances…
Dennis
thanks dale~ it’s really puzzling. why should Byer issue 3 versions for the same headphone? no difference between them if properly amped? I see a post in Head-Fi today and there seems to be huge controversies over the DT 770 pro, especially over the bass and treble part. how do you feel?
link to the post in Head-Fi: http://www.head-fi.org/t/513393/guide-sonic-differences-between-dt770-dt990-models-more/1695
dalethorn
Firstly, it’s a professional headphone. We consumers expect a soft sound from most premium headphones around $350 – $500, but the Beyers are usually razor sharp in detail. To keep this conversation small enough that I can type out some explanation, it’s basically this: You want a consumer sound, get a Senn Momentum-2, or a NAD HP50, etc. But if you want professional, Beyer and some of the top Senns and AKGs might do the trick. I can’t keep up a tutorial here, so you’ll have to do more research. Pro headphones will cost you more time to research.
Dennis
thanks very much~ keeping researching now~~~
Dennis
thanks L, in this way HD 600 may not be a good choice for me. how about Sen HD598SE ? It’s only $100 many times
dalethorn
Ask about the HD598 impedance, and not just at 1000 hz – check the full impedance curve.
Dennis
that means another amp is needed to meet my requirements?
dalethorn
It means check the impedance curve.
Dennis
wow, it’s a bit too technical for me to understand the impedance curve even after i did some research today~ thanks all the same.
dalethorn
No, it’s very simple. If they tell you the impedance is 300 ohms (for example), then you look at the curve and see it’s 300 ohms at 1000 hz but it’s 500 ohms at 100 hz, then when you look at the amp specifications that says it outputs 100 mw at 300 ohms, you know you’re going to get a LOT less than 100 mw where the impedance is 500 ohms. Now go to google and look up “nominal impedance”. It’s very simple.
Dennis
thanks dale~ very helpful explanation. I understand that a little now. but it’s the relationship with sound pressure and other parameters that still makes me confused. i think i will do more readings by myself.
one last question. I read the review on DT770 AE twice these days and one comment leads me to Philips fidelio L2. It seems Mike, L and you spoke high of L2. I found that the PHILIPS L2OB is selling at less than $150 now in my country. it’s really an attractive price compared with DT 770 32 here. Does L2 fit me? maybe i can use the savings from amp to update the source~@@headfonia_lieven:disqus
dalethorn
The L2 is good – I just gave away my X2, and prior to that I had several other Philips. The L2 will not have the clarity of the DT770 unfortunately, but if you have an equalizer app you should be able to improve any weak areas.
Dennis
that’s great~~~ thanks~ i want to buy a fiip x1 to start, i believe it has the equalizer app~~ thanks~~~you are really helpful and prompt!
Dennis
thanks dale~ under my impression, sony products are ok. but as you mentioned, i will take DT770 PRO 32 as the the first choice.
Headfonia_L.
Tough one.I’d go for the DT770 32 (even before I saw you listed that one) I’m listening to it now on the WA8 (out of your budget) but the headphone is awesome (check my review)
I would buy something like a Dragonfly Red which will allow you to use your phone and your pc. That’s a pretty good setup for the money
Dennis
thanks L, Dragonfly Red is really satisfying. however it’s not easy to get one in China, any other suggestions? Personally i prefer to enjoy HiFi home with PC and amps or outside just with my mobile, because it would still be inconvenient even with a portable amp outside. but anyway, amps like Dragonfly Red is good.
Michał
Hi 🙂 I’m a happy owner of Lime Ears Aether and Sony ZX1. Wondering if you could advise in matter of amps. Do you think amping LEA on such setup make sense? Was thinking of Fiio E12A or Aune B1. If this is like totally obsolate and wont make any big changes please let me know.
I-Zac
Hi guys,
Been following your site for about a year now, I bought the HE400i recently and have been very happy with what it sounds like. However, i do want a change and cannot decide on what to get. Perhaps you could help me? I love the warm sound of the HE400i and i find my ATH-M70x a little too bright now after a while. Ive got a Aune X1s to drive everything, possibly looking for an amp as well.
Shortlist (not very short):
Grado SR325i
DT1770 Pro
Fostex TH-X00
HD650
MH40
dalethorn
I don’t know the Fostex, but the others:
MH40: ‘Lifestyle’ sound – weak treble, some bass emphasis.
HD650: Warm, smooth classic sound.
DT1770 pro: Dark, detailed, slightly uneven, hard to describe even though I own it.
SR325e: Typical Grado 2 khz peak, also strong around 7 khz, lower bass a bit weak.
I-Zac
Thanks dale, i think ill go and audition the DT1770 and the SR325e
solid
Hi.. I want to build a CIEM… Which model you recommend?? Genres: Jazz, Classical. sometime pop music… Budget: USD 499.. Or should I buy hybrid?? Any thought?
Headfonia_L.
Source? amp? Music? Preferences in sound?
solid
L&P L3, no amp at the moment, as long is not bass heavy…
Headfonia_L.
http://www.cosmicears.com/product/n0401/
CE4 For sure!
solid
in genres like classical and jazz.. which is better?? CE4 or Eartech Quad??
Headfonia_L.
They’re both pretty good. I’d go for the CE4 as it a little more musical
gerbi67
Hi. Congratulation on a great website. I would like to steal 2 minutes of your time and ask for your opinion. I’m trying to find an alternative to the Sennheiser IE800. I love the sound but the comfort levels are low for me so I’d like something as close as possible sound wise (I especially love the trebles) but more comfortable. Thank you in advance. Cheers.
dalethorn
Nathan and Lieven are the IEM experts, but since I owned the IE800, what I would do is try out the Grados.
gerbi67
Thank you. Any model in particular?
dalethorn
GR10e hopefully.
gerbi67
Thank you. Any particular reason why you say hopefully? Sorry about the silly question!
dalethorn
It costs more – not cheap, but cheaper than the IE800 anyway.
gerbi67
Thank you. Any other models?
dalethorn
I like the warmer IEMs, woodies especially. But if you’re really into getting the best, CIEM is probably the way to go. I never did, and so every new IEM I try is a struggle to get a good fit. And the bass is never going to be proper and consistent until you get a perfect fit.
Barun C
I just got a pair of DT 48A s today. They’ll arrive in a couple of weeks. Any suggestion with regard to substitute ear pads, which can work and how do you rate them as a headphone today
dalethorn
The new oval earpads made for the DT48 series is the only pad that has a sound that’s more or less hi-fi. The sound with those earpads is peaky in the treble, with a big recess in the upper mids. There is very significant output above 12-15 khz. The character of the sound is much like a big horn loudspeaker. I didn’t have a decent equalizer when I had my DT48e and DT48a, but someday I’d like to try EQ’ing one of those to smooth out some of the extremes that Innerfidelity charted (they tested my headphone). The negatives that Tyll reported, like the negatives for the AKG K812, are primarily frequency response issues related to the newer DT48 earpad design. The older earpads, and even moreso the A’s round pads, make those headphones extremely thin and tinny.
dalethorn
Got the DragonFly Black today. Used only with iPhone 6. Makes a spectacular difference – much better than Oppo HA-2.
Benoit
Hi guys,
I also got my DragonFly Black last week, which I’ll use with a MacBook Pro and iPhone 6 to drive my Senns IE800.
I got a budget of 200-300€ for a DAC.
Is it the best buy or I can get something much better for the money?
Thanks in advance! Cheers!
Lieven
Hi Benoit, the black is nice even though the Red is even nicer. Aren’t you happy with it that you’re looking for something else?
you could look at the Herus or the GRACE DESIGN X MASSDROP M9XX, or some matrix gear. LECKERTON AUDIO UHA-6S.MKII is an option, and there there is the Fiio E17K
dale thorn
I think the DF Black is far far better than the E17k. But if I wanted a better iPhone DAC I sure would consider the Massdrop Grace.
Benoit
Hi Lieven, great to hear from you! Basically the DF aren’t bad, I’m just being skeptical the potential of this tiny dongle in comparison with bigger units. I like the style of the MASSDROP M9XX… even though I feel tempted in going deeper into my pocket to get the Chord Mojo. Would that be a tremendous upgrade in your opinion?
dalethorn
I want the Mojo, so it’s just a matter of getting funds. Go for it if you can.
Barun C
@ Dale . I just got a pair of DT 48A s today. They’ll arrive in a couple of weeks. Any suggestion with regard to substitute ear pads, which can work and how do you rate them as a headphone today.
Thanks
dalethorn
The new oval black earpads made for the DT48 series is the only earpad that has a sound remotely hi-fi. The sound with these earpads is peaky in the treble, with a big recess in the upper mids. There is very significant output above 12-15 khz. The character of the sound is much like a big horn loudspeaker. I didn’t have a good equalizer when I had my DT48e and DT48a, but someday I’d like to try EQ’ing one of those to smooth out some of the extremes that Innerfidelity charted (they tested my headphone). The negatives that Tyll reported, like the negatives for the AKG K812, are primarily frequency response issues related to the newer DT48 earpad design. The older earpads, and even moreso the A’s round pads, make those headphones extremely thin and tinny.
Barun C
So is it better to continue with the default ones then?
dalethorn
The default ‘A’ earpads are round and on-ear, and will produce the most tinny sound you have ever heard.
Barun C
Okay, so will these work ?
dalethorn
That’s the right pads. Check that they have the adhesive tape underneath, and make sure the earcup surfaces where the sticky surfaces go are clean before you put them on.
dalethorn
That’s the best earpad for all DT48’s.
Barun C
I can’t find my last post. My question was, is it better to continue with the default DT 48A ear pads?
dalethorn
The default ‘A’ earpads are round and on-ear, and will produce the most tinny sound you have ever heard. Bar none.
ASAF
Hello,
I have been using ATH-M50 for couple of years mainly with my FiiO X3 and X3II, and recently I bought some recording gear and used them for mixing and recording and I found out that they make me lower the bass because they are not natural enough.
I’m a Bassplayer and I love bass but I love good balanced sound more.
can you recommend me on a good but not expensive headphones for Monitoring ?
I thought about getting the ATH-M70x but I found out from Audio Technica that the earpads are the same size as with ATH-50 and that was the worst thing for me on the ATH-M50…too much small earpads for my ears and I replaced them with the SHURE SRH840 earpads.
my budget is not high…something in the 300$ max.
thanks a lot for the help.
Galaxy747
Hey guys I am looking for a pair of earphones with price range from 100 to 200. I had Harman and Kardon earbuds and Shure SE215 and loved them both.
I listen to Synth heavy – rock type of music like ‘MGMT’ so I love listening every details of the recordings. Originally I was looking to buy RHA 750i but I heard that it is too bassy 🙁
Any recommendations guys?
dale thorn
The eartips you use with the 750i make a big difference in the bass. It comes with several different sizes, but you can get other brands too.
ARF.A
Hi Lieven(hope that it is you who read this)
greetings from indonesia. read your article on orpheus 2 and I think its great. I as well aspire to heard how the perfect sound will be, or as you described, sound of an angel.
but due to budget constraint I only have around 400USD to hear an equivalent of angel sound in my ear.
my top priority currently is beyer dt770 80/250 ohm with ifi nano idsd. with setup mainly connected to pc(70%) and sometimes to iphone, i feel that this will be the best.
but as folks here mention a lot, ask or you shall lost. is it possible for you to share comment or advice on whats best for 400USD to feel a little closer to orpheus2?
note:
i choose dt770 due to comfort and sound very calming and not sharp on high volume(pardon the description, not a reviewer). while ifi nano is what local jaben people suggest due to the requirement that i inform them(must be portable and have usb input). also i dont really like iem, earbud ok though.
well, that my plea and my story. will be great if you can share input/feedback.
thanks
dale thorn
I’ve had the Beyer DT48, DT1350, T51p, DT770-32, DT1770, T70p, T90, T1, and some others. The DT1770 has the smoothest sound, but it’s more than $400. Maybe for smoother sound, like the top electrostatics, you should consider another brand.
charlie nelson
im having a really hard time choosing a pair of headphones i could use some help! thanks to some people on reddit i finally narrowed it down to the m50x’s but then z reviews on youtube said they were basically shit and now i dont really want to get them! i was looking at the dt770 but i heard they were from the 80’s and i dont know if i want headphones from the 80’s. now im looking at the fostex t40rp or t20rp but i hear all these things about you have to have different pads and make it mad dog its all like to confusing. im rambling on alot but i could use some help, which one would you recommend the most out of those 3 are the best overall sound and quality without looking to beefy on my head? im really open to other suggestions im looking for over ear closed my budget is like $200. thank you for any feedback i will link what kind of music i listen to below, nothing really bassy at all.
https://soundcloud.com/smittywebenjagermanjenson/sets/songz
dale thorn
You can’t go wrong with the DT-770 Pro 32-ohm edition. It’s been constantly improved, and you should check the DT770-32 review here on Headfonia – possibly the most favorite headphone reviewed here, including the discussion.
Barun C
So, Dale what do you think about this recent Focal Ra Ra, which is going on in every headphone forum on the net?
I, personally am very skeptical about the initial reports, in terms of comparisons with HD 800 & SR009, as without giving considerable amount of time listening to the new Focals, these conclusions are being made.
Thanks
dale thorn
The exciting thing, if innerfidelity is correct about the new level of fidelity, is having a regular dynamic headphone (yes?) that might be more efficient than the Sennheiser HD800, yet sound as good or better. Even though the price seems too high for a dynamic, if it becomes more convenient to use than the HD800 it might get more adoption. For me I almost always recable high-end headphones, because unlike the supposedly typical guy who sits 10 feet away from the stereo player and amp, I’m right there and don’t want a bulky cable.
Barun C
Yeah, those are standard Neutrik Cables, which used to come with the old Beyer T1s and the HiFiMaN HE 5.
But about the new Focals, we’ll have to wait and see, interesting that Tyll keeps coming back to the word “PUNCH” as he used it in the Focal Spirit Pro and Spirit Classic reviews as well.
Also, he put both of those headphones on Wall of Fame too, like the Elear and the Utopia, which is even more interesting. I state this because I auditioned the Spirit Line Pros and Classics twice, and thought my Beyer DT T51P and Aedle VK1s were far more cleaner and non veiled sounding compared to the muddy sounding Focals.
As an average consumer I don’t feel that much confident until I audition them and come to a conclusion. But on a side note I really would like to thank you for your contribution with the headphone and gear reviews, I ended up buying quite a few headphones based on your website and YouTube reviews.
dale thorn
Thanks. I did have a Focal Spirit Pro, which seemed OK sonically, but it was constructed like a tank. A good grade of plastic would have been better. I can’t tell if Tyll’s description of the Utopia is complete, but he may refine his opinion later on. At least at this point it brings new things to headphone hi-fi.
charlie nelson
ok cool dale. what about the Audio-Technica MSR7? should i try those out?
dale thorn
I’d like to try it, but I haven’t because they never really come through with musical headphones IMO. They got kinda close with the ESW-woody series, but still not quite there. The AKG K553 OTOH is excellent, and not pricy.
charlie nelson
ok thanks for all the help
Lieven
yes! And the M50 is a pretty good all round starter
Yongky
Hi Lieven
Im lookin for portable amp (only amp) yes, to maximize the budget i spend, no dac.
Im goin to pair it with portable player sony nwz a16 japan market, i already have the LOD and m2m (full silver 8 strands switchcraft jack)
Im cravin for
– warm signature
– full mids
– soft treble
– and great impact
– bass boost would be a great bonus
– long battery life
– amp quality must be better than my player internal amp.
to feed my ath r70x and fidelio L2.
I remember how sweet and synergy of L2 when i pair it with fiio x3, but i dont want to change my player since i think that on DAC section, sony is “cleaner” than fiio X5, but i miss the fiio’s amp sig so i might get the portable amp maybe?
All i can think about for now is only fiio e12a. Is there other suggestion?
dale thorn
FiiO E12 would be good, but 12a is lower power for IEMs, yes?
Dale
I’m looking for headphones to use while driving my convertible. That means I need to be able to hear sirens, car horns, and the growl of my engine. I’m looking at the HifiMan 400s because of strong mids, power efficiency, and open back design. Does anyone have any experience with this situation? Should I be looking at over-the-ear rather than on-the-ear due to wind? Any advice is appreciated.
dale thorn
Wind is a problem with noise-canceling headphones. Around-ear closed headphones are best, if they’re legal to use while driving. My suggestion is to get closed around-ear that have low isolation.
Tim
Hi Lieven
On your Alo RX amp review you mentioned how there is some hiss for very sensitive IEM.
I was wondering if you can recommend any amps that don’t hiss even with the Legend R?
Cheers
Tim
Finn
Hi,
I’m in a bit of a pickle. I’m selling my beats solo2, because they weren’t comfortable, and I’m deliberating between the Skullcandy crusher and aviator, and the Jlab Omni. I’m looking for a good pair of headphones of under $100. I’m currently leaning towards the aviators, not just for style, but because they seem higher quality. Should I pick the Jlabs of the Aviators? Although, I like bass. As such, I’m considering buying a portable amp, instead of getting some super bass-heavy cans like the crushers. Any recommendations? Currently looking at the FiiO E6 (or E11?) and the JDS Labs CMOYBB. I’m new to this whole thing; would you recommend a DAC?
Thanks in advance,
Finn
Lieven
Koss portapro 😐
Vish
Hello,
I was wondering if you could recommend an amp that would drive some AKG K712s.
Which I will be using to mix master music.
Thus looking for something flat and uncoloured, which also retains the sound stage. Budget max £100)
Many Thanks
Finn
Hmm, the Koss seems nice, but I’m not really looking for ultra portable, nor does the style really appeal.
If I am choosing between the aviators and the jlab omni, which would you recommend one of these or another one? I’m not looking for bluetooth specifically, but I would like a mic. My budget is under $100, and although I like bass I want something with good all-around quality, as I think an amp can make up for the lack of bass. Speaking of which, is there a decent portable amp with good bass for under $50?
Best,
Finn
Supawit
Anyone know how to get information about Musashi Sound Tech?
The guy that do AK 240 R mod.
Finn
Re-posting, as directed.
Hmm, the Koss seems nice, but I’m not really looking for ultra portable, nor does the style really appeal.
If I am choosing between the aviators and the jlab omni, which would you recommend one of these or another one? I’m not looking for bluetooth specifically, but I would like a mic. My budget is under $100, and although I like bass I want something with good all-around quality, as I think an amp can make up for the lack of bass. Speaking of which, is there a decent portable amp with good bass for under $50?
Best,
Finn
mo
hello to all,
i have a new earmax pro 2 tube amp. h6 cans did not match well so now im looking for higher impedence headphones as also recommended by the manufacturer. i’ve shortlisted beyer dt880 600 ohm vs beyer t90 250 ohm. the earmax pro is a otl tube amp. any help as to which of these two headphones would be better would be greatly received.
Tomas Kubinec
Hello guys,
can you please recommend me which IEMs to pair with AK Junior?
I want to buy ATH-IM03 or ATH-IM02.
Or is it better to go with DX80 + ATH-IM03?
Thanks
NOPPAROOT
hello guys i’m new here i just gonna buy my first dac to use with my pc but can’t decide what i should pay for so i wanna hear some suggestion of you guys of dac with 1$-100$ which one is i should looking for
thank you guys very much
ps.sorry for bad eng
ps2.have an eyes on e10k
Ralf Eger
Hi headphonia,
As there are two anniversaries this year with some unique special editions I wonder if you’d do a review on those fine British
The 40th anniversary Arcam rHead headphone amplifier and the 50th anniversary Bowers & Wilkings P9 Signature headphone.
I’d love to walk through your opinion and findings here.
Ralf Eger
Hi headphonia,
As there are two anniversaries this year with some unique special editions I wonder if you’d do a review on those fine British workmanship.
The 40th anniversary Arcam rHead headphone amplifier and the 50th anniversary Bowers & Wilkings P9 Signature headphone.
I’d love to walk through your opinion and findings here.
Dale Thorn
If Headfonia doesn’t get around to the Arcam amp, I think Marcus of Headfonics is a big fan, and maybe he will. Me personally, I’d love to have the B&W P9 in my hands for a few weeks, just to do a good rundown on it. But purchasing it won’t likely happen, because the P7 proved to be just too colored in its sound for a $400 USD headphone, and I’m not at all sure that B&W is going for a hi-fi signature for the P9. But, you never know…
Lieven
We might eventually get the P9 but it’s not a priority right now. The Arcam I don’t think we’ll be covering but never say never
dale thorn
I tried to get earpads for the Klipsch Image One headphone, and opened a support ticket. Today, they sent me an email asking if my address listed was correct. I replied YES. Then I got a rejection that their email was a “No Reply”. So I called Klipsch support and waded through a hellish bunch of button pushes, many redundant, before I got a rep. I told her about the email, and she gave me a tongue-lashing about how stupid I was to try replying, instead of reading some very tiny print way at the bottom that said “no reply email”. And then she hung up on me.
This was possibly the worst tech support I’ve ever called, rivaling the Apple supervisor who hung up on me after lying over and over again insisting that Apple does not force-download iOS updates (they do).
So there you are – Klipsch – very hostile and arrogant support.
Ali
Hello Lieven,
I’m in the market for a new tube amp. I know you have a HA-1A mk2 and are using it for reviews. How much background noise/hiss does that amp have?
Daniele
Hi All,
Upgrade timing…I’m in search of new iem to pair with mojo (now i have shure 215 and flare r2a as iem and pryma sonus faber & v moda m100 as closed cans) considering that my listening are (in order):
Electronic first
Alternative/indie rock/new wave
pop
When music is not completely instrumental my preferences are over male vocals instead of female.
So basicly the idea is to have enough bass/sub bass to appreciate all IDM music without losing detail clarity and midrange (in order to feel the music bring you away in another world )
Price range is 400/700 Eur (also considering used gear).
On my radar there are
Unique Melody Martian
Dita the answer
Inear stagediver4
Campfire audio lyra II
JH Rosie
I also think that one of the best models would be noble k10/oriolus v2/campfire andromeda or Vega but unfortunately too much expensive.
Any advice is more than appreciate
Cheers from Italy
Ed
Hey, could anyone compare the Phatlabs Phantasy to the Woo Audio WA8?
Will be primarily using a HD800 but may occasionally using custom IEMs.
Source will be either a Ryuzoh AK240SS standalone or with a Chord Hugo.
Cheers!!
Solid
What DAC would you recommend for HD700?? Budget around USD300~USD400… Pair with BH Crack…
Lieven
DragonFly, Herus, even Fiio
Dale Thorn
I’ve reviewed the new Apple Airpods now, on Amazon.
David
Hi,
looking for a recommendation for a tube amp that will drive most headphones. Budget is $1,000 but can stretch it a little for the right amp.
Thanks
David M
I have a Woo Audio WA6 SE. Will it be able to drive a HiFiMan HE1000 well? The HiFiMan is low sensitivity and low impedance, and I have read that it needs powerful solid state amps.
mark
As my system has improved my music collection as drastically increased in size. Do you have any suggestions on programs to manage an ever expanding collection
thanks.
Dale thorn
CD’s, LP’s, digital?
mark
digital, sorry for the delay in answering. traveling too much these days. Hence the need for more organization to ease transfer of my music etc.
Elgan
Hi,
I am after an audio player for the gym. I don’t really buy or download music. I like to stream things, spotify, books etc. This means i don’t care too much about music quality, but punchy would be nice. Something with wifi?
As its for the gym, i do not want to take something too expensive, or big.
I do not want to take my huge £800 phone into a gym, or run with it.
is there anything close to a small portable run friendly, gym friendly DAP with wifi that wont break the bank ?
Ashraf Hussein
Hey guys
I need help here!
What’s the best wireless earbud headphones with a neck sterilizer when it comes to bass and volume?
I had the LG Tone Ultra and Active and they were fine. What’s better?
Rob Taylor
I enjoyed reading Livien’s review of Hifiman’s HE-1000. I am wondering if you could offer an opinion on how that headphone would pair and perform with the Audio Alchemy DDP-1 as a headphone amp? Any input would be greatly appreciated. Thanks for the great reviews and information.
Lieven
I’m sorry but that amp hasn’t made it to me yet.
David Colmander
Hi, I just stumbled upon the site in my search for a new DAP. Love the articles and reviews!
I was missing some reviews of the Klipsch x-series IEM’s thou.
Have you tested the x12i or the x20 yet? Would love to hear what you think about them.
Himanshu
hey!
i have this question which is better in term of sound stage and imaging
LCD 2 or DT 1990 pro?
prashant lohia
hii every one
I need your advice I am upgrading my music system I got 2 option
1. To get high resolution music aideo player
Onkyo DP-x1a ( you guys don’t have a review of this product on your website page can you help me with that )
2. To upgrade by purchasing DAC headphone AMP
Both DAC/AMP in single system
can you tell me which option is better to joyful music listening experience so that in future I don’t need to upgrade my things
well my option is for onkyo DP-X1A and it android version so can you tell IEM for balanced to buy and since it is android .
I got RHA T20 and I am thinking of buying new IEM for the balanced output for the ONKYO something better than RHA T20
I got few IEM options if you can see I am on the right track
. V MODA ZN
. RHA CL750 / RHA CL1 (bit expensive)
. Q JAYS (like the style of wearing it)
. other options if you can help
please help me in making a better decision waiting for your thoughts on ONKYO DP-X1A and
buying advice for new IEM ?
Norbert
Hello!
While looking to buy a new phone I came across again the topic of external amplifiers, which I have never used before so this is a new area for me.
I’m curous to see how big of a difference an entry level amp can make and would like to get one along with my new phone – which most likely will be a Sony Xperia – and came across your reviews on the FiiO A1 and FiiO E06.
Which of the two would you recommend more for a first-time amp user? I would mainly use them on the go with 32Ω headphones. I currently have a JBL E50BT (just switched to using it with a cable instead of Bluetooth) and a collection of 16-bit 44kHz FLAC music.
Thank you in advance!
dale thorn
You will not likely improve the sound of your phone with a very cheap amp, but if you get a better DAC/amp that’s phone-friendly, that might work for you.
The only time I’d consider a cheap amp without DAC is if the volume on the phone is too low with some music tracks, and then I’d make sure 1) That the amp had enough power to play significantly louder, and 2) That the amp didn’t degrade the sound too much in tonality, distortion, etc.
You’ll need to consider what kind of headphone you’re driving.
Norbert
Should I be concerned if the phone has a USB C connector and I buy a DAC that uses Micro USB (e.g. the FiiO Q1)? Or if I get a Micro USB to USB C cable am I good to go?
dale thorn
Hard to say. My phone requires a “camera kit”, which terminates on the open end as a female USB-A connector. Some phones (Android) use an “OTG” adapter to output the unmodified digital data. So whatever the other end is of the cable that plugs into your phone, has to connect to the DAC. It’s very important with a communication device like a phone to minimize cabling and length. Hopefully use just one short cable.
As a matter of fact, my iPhone doesn’t play smoothly with my DragonFly Red DAC, so I have to use my iPod Touch with all communication disabled when I want to use the DF Red.
Norbert
I was thinking about something like this:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/4-Right-Angle-Micro-USB-to-Type-C-OTG-Cable-for-Portable-Digital-DAC-Amplifier/301996172236
What phone do you have?
dale thorn
I have the iPhone 7-plus. The eBay cable you listed looks OK, but you should be able to ask if it really fits your phone and carries the digital output correctly. Anyone who sells an OTG cable should know that it works with certain phones.
Steve
I am a new owner of the Shure SE846’s. I am currently using it with the A&K Jr. It sounds great but I want to pair it with a player that has better synastry. I was considering the A&K AK70 MKII, but I read that player is not the best for upper mids and highs. I’ve been reading a lot about the Ibasso 90, but I’m wondering if there are better options out there; I want the 846’s to sound there best! Any suggestions?
David Allen
Hi there.
I am looking for some new Bluetooth neckband in-ear headphones and would welcome suggestions. My thoughts on requirements are:
* Multi-point connectivity (ideally, so I can watch stuff on iPad but pick up calls on personal and work mobile phones – both Android currently, but 2 connections would also work)
* Bluetooth 5.0, ideally – for lower power consumption/ longer range
* Battery 10 hours+ on a charge; quick charging also useful
* AptX or similar – I am not an audiophile, but like things to sound pretty good!
* Magnetic backs or retractable wires – so they don’t flap around uncontrollably
* Not necessarily IPX as I don’t plan to get sweaty in them – I have sports headphones so comfort more important
* Price – to £250 (US$320)
I had considered the Bose QuietControl 30 and Sony WI-1000X as starters, but both fail on at least one of the above requirements.
Any thoughts on other features I should look for, or contenders for the shortlist, very welcome!
Jimmy
Hello everyone,
I am now currently using 64audio a12t and I am looking for these kinds of sound:
kpop, instrumental
great detail
closer sound/ staging ( feels like listening in a studio )
elastic base
great separation
Will this cable be a good fit? If not what other recommendation would you suggest ? Any budget is ok for me?
Tyson
Hi, I was hoping you could provide some insights as to what CIEM you would choose between the Lear Skyline and the Shanling AE3. I have read both reviews and the AE3 appears to be technically superior, with the added benefit of a better cable, and smaller housing…but I was curious if you would recommend one over the other. Thank you for your time.
Christian Alfred Burmester
HI, Herus,where to get updates? Seems Resonessence Labs has left the building.
Arno
Hi, I want to buy a headphone amp/dac. I am tempted by the Music Fidelity MX DAC / HPA stack. But would a set like that -being developed in 2015/6) any match to a newer product like the SPL Phonitor SE or a Burson Conductor 3 Performance?
Lieven
DAC technology still evolves fast, so in that sense the more modern DACs often (but not always) are “better”
Niko
Hi, any tips how to repair shure se215 housing? Both of the case were cracked and I’ve been meaning to replace with ones I found on e-commerce in Indonesia. However if there’s some kind of repair shop within Indonesia, I’d be very happy to go there.