The Beyerdynamic We Love: DT770 Anniversary Edition

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This is a double author review. Normal text is Lieven, italics are Mike. Disclaimer: Mike’s DT770 Anniversary Edition was a loaner sample from Jaben Indonesia. Lieven got his free sample from Beyerdynamic directly.

 

What is Beyerdynamic up to lately? Not only have they delivered the great T70 and Custom One Pro lately, just to name a few, but they’re back already with an all-black Limited Edition 32Ohm DT770 PRO 88 to celebrate Beyerdynamic’s 88 birthday!  I received a free sample of the L.E. DT770 88 from the Heilbronn based company directly. /Lieven

I envy Lieven for getting to keep the Beyerdynamic DT770 AE sample. I only got to spend roughly a period of one week or so as I borrowed the LE from the local Jaben. I was so impressed with the LE when I auditioned it on the store and so I asked them if I can borrow the demo unit for a review. Over the period of that one week, I grew to love the DT770 LE very much. 

Beyerdynamics, you all know I’m not a big fan.. but the Limited Edition DT770 and the COP are two recent releases from Beyerdynamic that I think is quite different from the rest of the family. First one is the Beyer Custom One Pro. The bass a little boomy, but I think Beyer has finally succeeded in creating a fun sounding headphone with the COP. I won’t say that the COP was influenced by the HD650, but it definitely has a darker, fuller low sound than the usual Beyer family is known for. Unlike the COP, the DT770 Limited Edition is not a totally new product, instead it’s a spin off of the popular DT770 line up. The Limited Edition DT770 is still based on a standard non-tesla Beyerdynamic driver. But they’ve executed it so well, I’d take this headphone anyday over the T70 or T70p. It doesn’t have the technicalities of the T1 or T5p (and I don’t expect it would), but outside from the two flagships, this model is, in my opinion, the third best Beyerdynamic model on their entire line up right now (I’ve yet to listen to the T90, but the T70 was — I’d rather be polite). /Mike

 

 

The Limited Edition Model

The DT770 LE will only be produced in 2012 in Germany and only 4000 units will be made in total, making it Limited but nut THAT limited you will hardly ever see one. Mike was talking about how basic the box and accessories are for a Limited Edition but there actually is a reason behind this, and I quote Beyerdynamic:

The box is based on the 1960′s Beyerdynamic boxes. They were just like this one, we never had a wooden box, therefore we didn’t make one for this limited edition either. The idea was to make this limited edition headphone and present it in a historic looking box. Even the graphic design was based on the 1960′s graphic design.

So there you have it. It’s more of a trip down memory lane for Beyerdynamic and that’s the reason you’re not getting any accessories (besides the ¼ plug) even though I’m sure a lot of people expect a bit more from a LE.  I actually like the LE plates on the ear cups, although the 88 printing could have been a bit more visible.

This version of the  DT770 (5 – 35.000 Hz) comes equipped with a softskin headband and pads, and while The DT770 in general is famous with its velour pads, Beyer chose to use these on the LE and of course it has an impact on the sound. Comfort wise this LE DT770 with its 270gr. does pretty good, it’s no Sennheiser HD700 but I would give it at least 7.5 out of 10 for comfort (where the Senn is 10). Enough about the looks already, let’s move on! /Lieven

Usually you expect extras for a Limited Edition headphone, something fancier and extra accessories. Nothing like that with the DT770 LE. Instead, as Lieven already mentioned, it’s a real trip down memory lane. Not a big deal, especially after hearing Beyer’s explanation for it. After all, it’s the sound we’re concerned about, not fancy boxes. /Mike

 

Sound Impressions

The special thing about the anniversary DT770 is that it’s more than a simple tweak. The pleather pads bring down the tonality to make it darker than the standard DT770. The bass is a little boomy, unfortunately, where the standard DT770 (80Ω and 250Ω) has a better control though with a much leaner body. Overlooking the boomier bass, what really gets me hooked is the zero-grain sound and the much improved soundstage depth. The DT770 and DT880 have always been relatively grainy, and it’s not until the Tesla T1 where I start to hear a grain-free Beyer. The DT770-anniversary has a zero-grain sound that reminds me of the big brother the T5p and this improvement by itself is worth having the special Limited Edition tag.

The soundstage depth improvement makes the Limited Edition a much more three dimensional headphone than the standard DT770, or even the DT880 and DT990. Though you get a more airy sound with the standard DT770 or DT880, mainly due to the use of velour pads, but they simply sound flat once you hear the anniversary DT770. The standard DT770 is one of the headphones with serious detail levels, so I really didn’t expect an improvement on this area. How surprising, the AE managed to pass the detail level significantly and it’s so much more effortless in producing those details (with less treble quantity too). This may not be very evident on the average pop-rock recording, but play a well recorded Jazz or Classical piece and you don’t really have to listen hard to spot the difference. Yet most of all, what strikes me as extremely awesome is how the anniversary does all these details while being smooth and effortless.

Lastly there is no more dry sounding, harsh treble of the standard DT770/DT880s. The anniversary DT770 is very smooth on the treble with excellent extension. The midrange is fuller, though on some recordings the more forward upper mids does get more aggressive than on the standard edition. On the average recordings however I think the LE is more pleasing due to the better vocal presence. Again, overlooking the slightly boomy bass of the Limited Edition, this has got to be one of the best Beyerdynamic headphones around. While models like the T1 and the T5p are technically superior, for some reason I am hooked more to the sound of the anniversary DT770 than the two flagship teslas. Compared to the T70, I don’t think there is a comparison. The T70 is a more precise headphone, but it sounds so metallic and clinical, I really wouldn’t use it for music listening.

What I find puzzling is that Beyerdynamic doesn’t say anything about the sound quality improvements compared to the standard version. Did all those sound improvements happen by accident? Probably not, but usually sound quality improvements would be the first thing a manufacturer boast about. /Mike

 

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Lieven is living in Europe and is a full time Headfonia writer and the leader of the gang. Coming from a musical family he's always been interested in good sound. Unlike his family members the only musical instruments he plays are amps and DACs. He loves playing with old tubes and discovering new products while staying faithful to the good old Sennheiser HD650. Taking pictures is a real challenge but seeing happy readers in the end is what it's all about for him.

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  • Edison

    how is the pairing with Audinst HUD-MX1?

  • jtr3

    I must be the only one who was a little disappointed with the LE bass impact. From this review I was ready to enjoy the bass and new-and-improved mids. For sure the mids are quite nice, definitely better than my old 770 Pros. But the bass is much lighter in these, and nowhere near the impact of something like the HE-400. That’s too bad.

    • dalethorn

      One problem I see is the earpad material doesn’t seal well to my head until it warms up a while, then the bass gets a little better. Even then it’s not a big impact like planars, which cost more and have their own issues.

      • jtr3

        I realize planers are not the fairest of comparisons, but my 20-year-old DT770s have considerably more impact, even unamped. I immediately noticed the fit being looser and less sealed, too.

        • dalethorn

          Did you try the new velour pads on the DT770LE?

          • jtr3

            No, I read that bass would be reduced. Should I try it? I have a new set of 770 velours that I just put on my old cans last week. Or are there differ velours just for the LE?

            • dalethorn

              If it’s hard to do or risks damaging the edges, then probably not worth doing. As far as I know Beyer sells the same pads for all 770s.

            • Mark Ferrosa

              That’s the price you pay for a detailed and balanced sound on this LE. Keep the old 770 If you like the bass. I’m selling my old Pro 80. I prefer my 770 AE.

              • http://www.headfonia.com Mike

                Plus and minuses. Yes the 80ohm has stronger bass impact, the LE more bass body.

              • jtr3

                The more I listen to these, the more I agree with you. It is the price I pay.

            • George Lai

              Hi, it just so happens I had an email from Beyerdynamic. They discourage using velours from 880/990 on the 770, and pleather from 770 onto the 880/990. Here in the humid tropics, pleather can be really warm and sticky and to alleviate that, sometimes I put those surgical mask type ear muff covers on my 770. It’s about USD5 for 50 pairs on Amazon.

            • George Lai

              I forgot. I didn’t get them from Amazon but from scansound.com. My bad.

            • http://www.headfonia.com Mike

              Velours usually reduce bass quantity, yes.

          • George Lai

            I finally managed to put the Beyer velour pads on the DT770LE. Suffice to say Barry White sounded like Lionel Richie. I guess Beyer knows what it’s doing.

            • http://www.headfonia.com/ L.

              Some actually might prefer Lionel over Barry though ;)

              • George Lai

                That’s what the DT880 is for, Lieven

            • http://www.headfonia.com Mike

              :)

              Thanks for the update, George.

    • http://www.headfonia.com/ L.

      We all like the bass. What amp are you using with the DT770 AE? Maybe the AE just is not bass heavy enough for you? have you tried the COP yet?

      • jtr3

        I’ve used both the O2 and the Meridian Explorer. I haven’t tried the COP, perhaps I should.

        I get used to the LE sound after listening for a while and enjoy it. Then I put on the old 600-ohm Pros and feel the bass impact I was missing, but loose a noticeable amount of mids in male/female vocals and acoustic guitar. The reason I haven’t tried the COP is I’m not sure if it would be a duplicate of one of the 770s I already have.

        • http://www.headfonia.com Mike

          Maybe you should check out the HD650 article. That headphone is synonymous with bass impact.

          • jtr3

            I remember reading that article and really enjoying it. I’ll try to audition the 650 at next months Head-Fi meet so I know for sure. I’m also curious about the T70, mostly because I’m a fan of Beyerdynamic comfort, but I don’t know how it will stack up in the low end.

            • http://www.headfonia.com Mike

              The T70 is tuned very clearly for monitoring. Sharp transients, almost no warmth, thin mids, very clean bass. I really don’t recommend it for music.

              • dalethorn

                T90?

                • http://www.headfonia.com Mike

                  I haven’t heard the T90, Lieven should be getting one.

                  • http://www.headfonia.com/ L.

                    It arrived today. Forget about it if he needs bass

                    • http://www.headfonia.com Mike

                      Thanks, L

                    • http://www.headfonia.com/ L.

                      Bass is good and very detailed but doesn’t have the Senn body, by far

        • dalethorn

          When I first read yesterday’s post, I grabbed the DT770LE and fired up a few FLACs with the Microstreamer DAC. I thought “yes, there isn’t a lot of bass impact”. But the bass can have way different impact depending on circumstances. When it’s quiet late at night or very early morning, and I put the LE on and give it a minute to settle, then listen without any distractions, the bass impact is very good. A stronger bass headphone in that same circumstance would not sound good. So keep the stronger one for other circumstances.

        • Burju

          Please do check if your Meridian Explorer is the original version(around 47 ohm on headphone out impedance) or the newer version (around 5 ohm) with lower impedance on its headphone out. If you using it solely thru headphone out, original Explorer sounds better with higher impedance headphone >300 ohm, lower impedance will sound like a big lost in bass impact. My HE400 lost its bass impact using explorer’s headphone out.
          Cheers

          • jtr3

            I have the original for now. While decreased damping factor will have some impact on bass with these 32-ohm cans on the ME, it doesn’t account for the same difference I observed when using the O2.

  • Guest

    Has anyone tried the Pico Slim with the LE? How’s the pairing?

    • dalethorn

      If you run that amp off of a good DAC it will sound spectacular with great bass definition. I don’t have the Pico Slim, but 2 headphone amps I run from the iphone LOD don’t have quite as good of bass detail with the DT770LE.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Rogier-Schreurs/565592241 Rogier Schreurs

    Hey Lieven, wat vind jij een goede prijs voor een nieuwe dt770 32Ω LE?

    • http://www.headfonia.com/ L.

      Hi. I’ll reply in English as we’d like everyone to understand. When the AE came out it was available in the Netherlands for 143€, prices in the US were a bit more expensive. I don’t think you can still get the AE from Beyer directly so that means it’s “sold out”. luckily for you 4 launch is still selling it for 143€. Get it before it’s gone… https://www.4launch.nl/shop/#p-4-productid-129333

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Rogier-Schreurs/565592241 Rogier Schreurs

        Yeah, I thought i sent you a personal message haha. Alright thanks! This review keeps haunting me, maybe buying it will silence my demons ;)

      • dalethorn

        That’s a great price for a really good headphone.

        • Carl

          Dale, is there anything else around the 770 LE’s price that you would take over the 770? Just curious.

          • dalethorn

            As a closed headphone around $250 USD? Hard to say – the M100 from v-moda is $60 higher and too muddy without some bass reduction. The $200 Soundmagic HP100 is really good, but a little on the lean-sounding side for my taste. The Senn Amperior and Momentum have good sounds but cost $100 more, and I think the LE is at least as good. The Philips L1 is a possibility, but still has a pumped-up upper bass. The Shure 940 could work if you don’t mind stuffing some extra foams into the earcups to cut down the brightness. But right out of the box, I think the LE wins, and I hope they release a standard version. At less than $200, it would be killer.

            • Carl

              Thanks for those thoughtst! That’s a great one-paragraph summation of the headphone landscape in-and-around the LE’s terrain, really succinct and insightful.

              I was kinda just curious, as I have been thinking a little about the 770 LE & Philips L1 as possible 2nd ‘phones to my D600.

              Also, I’ve noticed that your opinion of various ‘phones performance hinges on changing their EQ using either desktop or i-device settings, which I never seem to see other reviewers do. This interests me for various reasons …
              I seem to recall that recently you stated in a comment that the LE was listenable to you only if you moderated its treble peak somehow? Does this also indirectly indicate that for you its ‘as is’ sound doesn’t by itself quite cut it?
              Anyway, thanks for your thoughts – I always find them interesting and both entertaining/informative and think you presence makes Headfonia an even better place to come visit(and I already think it’s pretty near perfect!)
              Be well.

              • dalethorn

                You could certainly play the LE flat – whatever peak you might hear would vary from person to person because there’s a lot of human variation in that area especially (around 8-10 khz), and everything else makes a difference too. With some amps I could just forget about EQ, but others sharpen it up where it becomes more noticeable. A valve(vacuum tube) amp would be ideal, and a mini-dac like the Dragonfly is the opposite of that. I spent several hours with the LE today, and it continues to amaze me with its detail – bass detail as well as treble. To me it’s a lot closer to ideal than the Philips, because the Philips’ bass emphasis takes over the presentation to a large extent, and there’s nothing like that going on with the LE. Still, there are a lot of people who favor the big bass, so it’s hard to guess. Like I told Val Kolton a few times, even 2 days ago – if I were working a headphone and amp shop in Southern California, I could sell DT770′s and Philips L1′s hand over fist (in Val’s case the lineup was slightly different). The thing is to get a synergy going, and I had it working today with the 770LE. So maybe the next thing is to think about the amp.

            • http://www.headfonia.com/ L.

              The X1 is only 190€ here, that’s also an amazing headphone under the 200€ level

              • George Lai

                Hi Lieven, for us in the Anglophile world, how does one order from this Italian website? Their prices are very tempting.

                • http://www.headfonia.com/ L.

                  That’s Dutch, a shop in The Netherlands. They only deliver to European countries I think

                  • George Lai

                    Ha Ha, miscommunication I believe. Amazon Italy is in the Netherlands and is in Dutch? Double Dutch. It’s okay, Lieven. Cheers

                    • dalethorn

                      I spent several more hours today with the 770LE and verza DAC playing WAV tracks from my 7-gen iPod Touch – just amazing. The LE’s won’t last forever, so grab one when you have the chance.

                    • http://www.headfonia.com/ L.

                      But I never spoke of Amazon.IT in the comments, only of the 4launch.nl shop. Don’t get it

                    • George Lai

                      My bad. Different thread. Sorry.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/richard.liu.5070276 Richard Liu

    Hey Lieven, you said that you “would go for this anniversary DT770 over the AKG’s K550.” They’re both on my list for consideration, and I was wondering why you would pick the ‘boomier’ DT770 over the K550.

    • http://www.headfonia.com/ L.

      I think that has been covered multiple times already on here. The simple answer is because the AE is more fun and has more bass

  • Kelvin King
    • dalethorn

      First we need to get some of the new ones tested to be sure they sound the same. Then I need to advertise my genuine LE for $750 so I can buy a new 770-32 plus the new A20 amp.

      • http://www.headfonia.com/ L.

        They are exactly the same. We’ve known about this for quite a while now and it is due to the enormous popularity of the retired AE.

        • k1ngp1ng

          Any leaks on retail price?

          • http://www.headfonia.com/ L.

            Havent seen it yet

      • George Lai

        Dang. I shoulda bought more than one.

        • http://www.headfonia.com/ L.

          Not really as they are releasing the normal 32ohm version now as well

          • George Lai

            Think I will get the COP then.

            • http://www.headfonia.com/ L.

              Listening to it right now. love the Bass sliders!

              • George Lai

                Though I’d feel a bit extravagant having both the 770LE and a COP.

                • http://www.headfonia.com/ L.

                  I agree, overall the DT770AE is the better headphone, but the COP be be really fun with bass heavy music.

      • John123John

        http://www.amazon.com/electronics/dp/B0006NL5SM
        So this is the LE version but with a unlimited (regular) name?
        but the other ohm versions of the dt770 are the same as before?

        oh what the heck, still says LE? Im so confused.. How will buyers of the used market know if theyre buying the old version or the new version?

        • Dave Ulrich

          Well, it is the only 770 that is 32 ohms. Plus, the LE says limited edition on the side. So, when the non-LE 32 ohms 770 comes out, it should NOT say limited edition on the side.

          • http://www.headfonia.com/ L.

            That’s correct

    • http://www.headfonia.com/ L.

      I posted that on FB already ;)

  • Garry

    So according to comments here, DT770 LE + velour pads is a no-go.
    I am looking to get a Beyer mostly because of their comfy velour pads.
    Anyone have experience with the COP + velour pads?

  • Gonza

    Hey can you review/compare the new dt770 pro 32 ohms to the AE? thankss

    • http://www.headfonia.com/ L.

      same thing, different badge?

    • dalethorn

      If the new 32 ohm has the plastic pads like the Limited Edition, it should sound exactly the same.

  • George Lai

    For those with big ears and find the standard pleather earpads too small, and don’t wish to use Beyer velour earpads, use the Brainwavz HM5 pleather earpads. USD17 from MP4Nation.net with free shipping. Now I don’t have to get rid of my DT770 AE.

    • http://www.headfonia.com Mike

      Thank you for sharing George.

  • Stefan Jakovljevic

    Hey, I have a question. I was looking through some ads and I have found DT 770 32 Ohm headphones. The price is OK, around 100 euros, but unfortunately it does not say if they are Limited Edition or not. Is there a regular edition with 32 Ohm impedance? And if there is, how does it compare to the Anniversary Edition?

    • http://www.headfonia.com/ L.

      The Ae was a limited edition. But is was so successful (our fault) that they decided to make a normal 32 ohm DT770. It is exactly the same, it just doesn’t have the AE logo.

      • Stefan Jakovljevic

        Hey Lieven, I have another question if I may ask. I saw you post 4launch.nl site on some comment underneath as a place with low-priced headphones. Are there any other sites (Dutch or European) where I can find secondhand or low-priced audio equipment, headphones mostly? I know there is markplaats and ebay, any other.

        Regards, Stefan

        • http://www.headfonia.com/ L.

          amazon.de
          amazon.fr
          amazon.es
          amazon.it
          amazon.co.uk
          thomann
          soundconsult
          audiogarden
          headsound
          Google ;)

    • Stefan Jakovljevic

      Yes, I have found that information. But as the ad is for used headphones, are there any older 32 Ohm 770s than the Limited Edition?

  • Daniel

    I own a pair of Audio Technica ESW9A’s and Denon D750s. I find that the ESW9A’s sound OK played through an iPod and sound much better through a higher voltage source such as a laptop with better DAC. Anyway I find that they don’t seal well and aren’t as clear as I would hope. SO I ended up buying a pair of T70Ps… Unfortunately they sounded so flat, had no bass whatsoever, and were way too bright with loads of sibilance… The D750s I loved but unfortunately they sounded so muddy and dark without an amp, I listen to my headphones on the go and don’t want to have an AMP/DAC combo with me. So anyway, I was wondering how these DT770 32 Ohm Pro’s compare to the DT880s which are semi-open? I loved the sound of the DT880s although the bass was a little recessed. The T70Ps were the worst headphones from Beyer I ever heard. Also how do these 32 ohm 770Pros sound compared to some of Audio Technica’s offerings such as my ESW9, or even the ESW10, ES700, or ES10, (these are the other ones I am debating between). I would also love to know how they compare to Ultrasone Signatures or Editions. Thanks so much!!!

    • dalethorn

      I only know the ESW9a and DT-770LE (limited edition, which is now the new standard 32 ohm model). The ESW9a highs are soft, i.e. rolled off, while the DT-770-32 has full highs (not bright though), except there’s a slight treble peak around 8-9 khz that may be a problem for some people, and it was for me so I EQ’d it. Moving to the mids, I find the ESW9a nearly perfect – I don’t find anything wrong in fact. The DT-770-32 has a huge sounding midrange that I find has a somewhat hollow sound to it, although I don’t recall anyone else mentioning it. The bass is different between these two headphones, but rather than try to analyze the exact differences, I’ll just say the difference to me was unimportant compared to the very important differences in the mids and highs. The DT-770-32 is essentially non-portable in my view, while the ESW9a is very portable. The DT-770-32 is very comfortable, going fully around my ears, while the ESW9a has those weird little pads that are beveled so just the narrow top of the bevel goes against my ears. I got used to it, but it’s not as good as the flatter pads they use on the ESW11-LTD.

      • dalethorn

        BTW, portable to me means as I go places without a backpack or other large bag to stash headphones into, then when I’m not listening I pull the earcups down and wear the headphone around my neck with cord tucked into pocket. The ESW9a works great that way.

  • Punit Shetty

    Bought one because of this review, Lovin it. My Portable closed HP collection is now complete. Have the Beyer DT 1350, Senn HD 25 Alu Anniv Ed & this.

    • http://www.headfonia.com/ L.

      It’s my night stand headphone for the moment

    • http://www.headfonia.com Mike

      Glad to hear that!

    • dalethorn

      There’s always the new T51p. I love it!

  • tand

    Hi guys,

    Got my hands on a DT 770 manufaktur 32 ohm.

    i was expecting a bass headphones. But it really isnt. Quite tame bass. But the trable to my ears is quite shocking. Drove me almost crazy when I was a bit hungover yesterday morning.

    So could you tell me whats the soundsignature of this can? Is it a bass monster and is my headphone broken? Or is it what I have?

    Anyway the main difference with the headphone on review is that mine has velours pads and has different cups. Would changing the pads to pleather change the sound?

    Thanks alot. Hope you can help me out.

    • http://www.headfonia.com/ L.

      This is a DT770 AE review, you have a completely different model. Of the DT770 PRO series the 80Ohm has the most bass. The Manufactur (are you sure?) is a consumer version and can indeed sound like you say. Beyer treble is very extended and important. In the AE everything is more linear.

      Also, the pads change mote than you think. But in conclusion, you have another version.

      • tand

        Hi L,

        So when people mention bas heavy headphones its the 770 pro version?
        Whats so different? Is the 80 ohm version also bass heavy?

        Yeah
        got the receipt rom beyerdynamic and everything.All custom. Looks real
        nice black on black. New 260€. Is the premium version with the wings.

        • http://www.headfonia.com/ L.

          The Pro 80ohm is the bass heaviest of the 770 series
          I can fully recommend the Beyer COP with the adjustable bass ports

  • MD2020

    What a wealth of information this site has, and the layout is so clean and useful! Thanks for doing this. Anyway, what are the current amp recommendations for the DT 770 32 ohm in the sub $300 range? Looking around it looks like the Torpedo, Dragonfly, and Audioengine D3 work. Any other suggestions? What about the Schiit Vali?

    • Dave Ulrich

      The problem with the Vali is the image has no depth to it. The DT 770 32 does. If it wasn’t for that, I actually think that would be a good pairing. I like the Torpedo myself.

      • MD2020

        Thanks Dave! I may have to wait a while since the Torpedo is at the upper limit of my budget. Do you think the JDS Labs cmoy would be a cheaper alternative for now? My goal is to tighten up the bass.

        • Dave Ulrich

          What is your source?

          • MD2020

            MacBook Pro. No DAC (yet). I figured I’d get the headphones and amp nailed down first.

            • http://www.headfonia.com/ L.

              you won’t tighten up the bass with a Cmoy with BB ;-)

              • MD2020

                Ouch, my wallet was afraid of that :-) I guess I’ll be saving up for the Torpedo then. Thanks Lieven and Dave.

                • Dave Ulrich

                  I can also recommend the dacport lx as a source.

                  • MD2020

                    Thanks Dave, I’ll have to put that one one the list.

  • Sean Higgins

    For what it’s worth, I have my DT770 AEs plugged into an iFi iDSD and they sound as good as they ever have. I set Foobar2000 to convert pcm to dsd on the fly and the sound is smooth, tight, and feels just right. Your mileage may vary, but I thought I’d share this pairing in case anyone else is on the lookout.

    • Dave Ulrich

      Thanks!

  • Deskolim Cheong

    How if AE compare to L2(many reviewers get AE over than L1)? Seems like L2 is also got many fans.

    • http://www.headfonia.com/ L.

      Well the old AE, now the 32Ohm version, is a closed headphone. The L2 is an open headphone. L2 and AE are very good, and very different. The L2 driver is the better one, but the Beyer just has a special sound.

      • Deskolim Cheong

        It’s that the same AE version(not limited for only 4000?) with the new 32ohm version? or still AE better? Considered to buy, because i found they still have AE version stock.

        • Dave Ulrich

          It should be the exact same headphone.

        • http://www.headfonia.com/ L.

          The AE is the same as the 32 version, just more expensive as it is a limited version

  • tand

    HI lievens,

    Which pleather cushiosn do you have? Is it the perforated pleather cushions. Or is it totally closed. I am referring to the backside of the cushions.
    Have you ever tried it with a velours?

    • http://www.headfonia.com/ L.

      My AE now has the Velour pads. The original pleather pads had the holes in them. I like the better over all with the velours. For bass I just use my COPs

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  • Joe

    I have seen some comments and measurements which says AE and new 32 ohm version are actually different sounding headphones. (en.goldenears.net) Looks like new 32 ohm version has more treble and less bass than AE. What do you guys think?

    • dalethorn

      I wish I had both, but even then, I can’t imagine why they would sound different outside of earpad differences. wasn’t the AE equipped with different pads than the DT770 Pro versions? And maybe that’s the difference?

      • Joe

        Maybe Beyer tuned AE differently from their regular dt770 models. The review praises AE that they are better than regular dt770. Those good qualities mentioned might not be there with new 32 ohm version. Some commented that AE and new 32 ohm version are same below, I am just saying that might not be true.

        • dalethorn

          I mentioned it because (I think) the AE used different earpads from the regular models, so see if that’s a factor.

        • http://www.headfonia.com/ L.

          Beyer confirmed they were exactly the same apart from the looks

    • http://www.headfonia.com/ L.

      I call BS :)

  • Pedro Oliveira

    Mike and lieven really sorry for bothering….
    My last headphones have been the white box ath m50, sennheiser hd 25, momentum over ear, mdr 1r and sony mdr v6. By using this headphones i reached a concluaion i hate too coloured and warm sound, the mdr 1rs to my ears sounded muffled and lacked bass impact. I love and still have the hd25 but they sound too confined, i liked the bass of the ath m50s but did not like the recessed mids and plasticky and unatural treble and i loved the momentums sound, a bit boring for edm but i loved it, did not loved the confort of the momentums though and sold them…. I listen mostly to pop, rock and edm and i beliece my 2 favourite headphones so far are indeed the over ear momentums and the hd25s….
    Having described my preferences do you guys think this beyer would suit me? (I can get a used le for 100 euros in mint condition) would the 80 ohm version be better for me? I also hated the k550 by the way, weird fit, lacking bass and to much treble (to me ot sounded steryle)….

    Right now i only have the hd25 and the v6….

    On paper this dt770 looks cool but i am affraid the bass will not sufice me as i my 2 favourite headphones so far have a very generous amount of bass…. I am also a bit afraid of the famous beyers treble reputation…. If they sound like the hd25 thats ok, but if thwy sound like the k550 no way i am getting them…

    Hope you guys can help me understand how the dt770le sounds because to be honest i never tried any beyer in my life….

    • http://dalethorn.com dalethorn

      In a word, no. You should get something that has a wider soundstage and good bass impact (but not muddy) and not soft on both ends like the Momentum. The Philips L2 might be a possibility. The Sennheiser HD25 Aluminum might be good. The Shure SRH840 is way, way better than the M50, and very little coloration. Very little. I really liked the MrSpeakers Mad Dog – bass, treble, mids – all very good. It’s very hard to top what you have until the price goes way up, but the Shure 840 is the most uncolored and hifi headphone I know of at $200 and below, then the Mad Dog at approximately $300. I have had the Philips L1 which is rather bassy, but I’ve heard the L2 is better.

      • Pedro Oliveira

        Thank you very much for yout reply dale…. :-)
        Love your video reviews by the way…:-D
        The amperior would be had anything that i dont have on my hd25?
        From the headphones i mentioned i had, wich one of them is closer to the dt770 ae in terms of sound signature? Are they really that bass light when compared to the 80ohm version….?

        At 100 euros these guys seemed like a good bet for my taste because i thought i was getting the fun and bassy sound of the 80ohm version but more refined an more adequate sensitivity for portable players… Seems not after all… I really hoped they could be fun like my hd25 but with a muchbbiggersoundstage…. :’(

        • http://dalethorn.com dalethorn

          Hi – None of your headphones are similar to the DT770. The 770 is very good in its own right, but has a warm upper bass to low mids, and does not have the solid low bass like the M50. What you describe that you wish for is very much the same for most of us – a solid bass with good impact and detail/clarity. A liquid and uncolored midrange. A treble with great detail but no peaky areas. The Amperior is better than the HD25, and there is a review here that says the “HD25 Aluminum” is better than the Amperior. But if I were using the Aluminum, I would need to re-tune the bass, to boost the lower bass a little and reduce the upper bass a little. I had just the Amperior, but I understand the tuning, and adjusting the bass as I described would make it much better.

  • Pedro Oliveira

    In wich ways do you think the amperior is better than the hd25 (i know the aluminium are even better but also are more expensive)? The bass is much stronger (i kind of liked the bass response of the on ear momentums…)? For someone who has and loves the hd25 do you think the amperior is worth getting as an improvemente or the changes in sound are too subtle?
    Returning to the dt770 ae…
    So with wich headphones could these dt770s be compared? Do you think they are able to perform at least decently with the genres i listen, or would the 80ohm version suit me better?
    Wich musical genses do you guys think that the dt770ae portrays better?

    Cheers…

    • http://dalethorn.com dalethorn

      Innerfidelity covered the HD25/Amperior differences pretty well. If you can find an Amperior they are very cheap today. I think the Aluminum is still full price. I don’t know anything that sounds like the DT770. It’s like being in a very large room, almost like a cavern, but it’s not the same as the big soundstage of a Sennheiser HD800. The HD800 is neutral to slightly bright, while the DT770 is darker with a warmer low end. But you’re looking to get a more hi-fi sound from where you are, and the DT770 is not that. You might want to go to Edd’s site (NobleHiFi) and read his reviews of the DT770, DT880, DT990 etc., and get a better idea of how they compare.

  • Pedro Oliveira

    Whats weird is that while checking some measurement graphs these appera to be bassier than the amperiors and ath m50s and even bassier than the 80ohm dt770s…… Also i have been trading messaging with some headfiers and the opinions are different , some say they do not have much more bass than the mdr v6, while other claim there are no sonic differences between all dt770 models (at least very noticeable ones) and that they all share the same soung sig. Do you guys think that if i had the velour pads to the dt770 le’s the bass will become even fuller or at least more controled and punchy?

    Cheers…

    • http://www.headfonia.com/ L.

      no, less controlled and punchy with velours

      • Pedro Oliveira

        Thank you very much for your reply L. So how loose os the bass and how much is it in quantity? Are they at least bassier and punchier than the v6 or the sony mdr 1r? Anywhere near the ath m50? I can get this limited edition real cheap but since i cant try them without buying i am still very confused about the bass…. Do you think they have plenty of bas to at least enjoy edm (and some rock stuff like biffy clyro or artic monkeys) decently? How loose is the bass? Mdr 1r loose? Aurvana live loose? Hd500 series loose? :-D

        Sorry once again for all the trouble m8….

        • http://dalethorn.com dalethorn

          When you have time to spend with the DT770, I don’t think you’ll be so focused on how the bass sounds exactly – you’ll be listening and thinking “wow – this is soooooo different from the M50, Sony, Amperior, etc.”

          • Pedro Oliveira

            I am sure i will Dale, but i just want to make sure the bass will suffice my taste and that will be fun enough to preovide me some edm fun every once i a while…. Thats my only doubt…. I am sure they will kick all i have in terms of soundstage and confort thats for sure, but i want them to be fun enough and not steryle like some k550. I want to make sure they are at least more bassy than the 1r and v6. If they are i am clicking the buy button right away…. (Without being to colored as the 1r as well, those sounded tooooo muffled….)

            • http://dalethorn.com dalethorn

              I don’t know how to answer those questions. I think the bass is OK, but it doesn’t stand out like some other headphones. I guess the best advice is whatever the review says, or compare the review to other reviews.