The Dark Sennheiser HD650: All For The Music

The Dark Sennheiser HD650: All For The Music

March 16, 2013 |  by  |  $300-$500, Amps, Budget, Desktop Amps, Full Size, Headphones  | 

Editor’s Note: An HD650 review? Don’t we have one already? One of the reason for this newer review is because I noticed that the HD650 actually increased in popularity these past year, despite its age. In contrast, not too many people talk about the K701 and the DT880 that much anymore (the three were considered rivals in the old days). The other reason is to share the story from a common enthusiast’s point of view: Dave, who started like many of you, looking for a pair of good headphones to enjoy his music. Especially noteworthy is the talk on HD650 budget amplifiers on the second half of the review.

 

(a special thanks to Josh, Kate and Jacob for their input and help)
EPISODE I: THE DARK TIMES

It was over a year ago when I made a decision. I wanted a nice pair of headphones with which to listen to my music. My lowly iPod ear buds just weren’t cutting it; and I always found headphones more comfortable anyway. I wanted something that would do justice to the music of Beethoven, and Shostakovich and Bach I was so fond of. So, it was off to do research to find what pair of headphones would suit me best.

Now, I am sure there are others with the same affliction I have. You can read ninety-nine glowing reviews of something and have decided that is what you will get. But the second you see that ONE negative review, your whole plan is sent into a top spin. Needless to say, it was a difficult search. I will spare you, gentle reader, the gory details, but after lots of looking, browsing, reading, crying, worrying, circling, screaming and drinking, I decided I would get a Sennheiser HD280 and a Fiio e6. The only obstacle in my way at this point was my wife, who scoffed (SCOFFED!) at the idea of spending a hundred dollars on a pair of headphones. So, being a man of modest means (with a family that might take it personally if there was no food on the table because of the headphones on my head); I would need to save the money, myself. Incidentally, my wife can occasionally be heard muttering, as she cries herself to sleep, “if only I had let him get those one-hundred dollar headphones…”

 

EPISODE II: BASS IMPACT

Headfonia has had a large impact in how I listen to music, not just with what audio gear I use, but how I actually perceive music, and I am not just saying this because I bribed them into letting me write this review. See, up to this point, I never considered the importance of bass impact in music, particularly the classical music that I hold dear. So, when I saw a headphone (like the afore mentioned HD280) described as being weak in the bass department, I didn’t think that would be a big deal for me. This is why I found it funny when, after discovering Headfonia and starting to read the reviews, questions and answers lying within, Mike would refer to a pair of headphones as not having enough bass impact for classical music. I like bass with rock, or rap, but with a violin concerto? I didn’t get what Mike was talking about, so I kind of ignored his advice on the topic because we clearly were looking for two different things.

Then came the day when I took my sister to the Minnesota Orchestra for her birthday. After a wonderful performance of Stravinsky’s Symphony in Three Movements, and a very disappointing rendition of Shostakovich’s Cello Concerto No. 1, the concert came to a close with a PHENOMENAL performance of Rachmaninov’s Symphonic Dances. As the Dances ended with a thunderstorm of timpani and the audience shot to their feet, I had a realization: it was the bass that pulled you into the piece. Without that thunderous impact, the excitement of the music would have been lost. This completely changed how I looked at classical music.

 

EPISODE III: THE DARKER AGES

So needless to say, after that, I didn’t end up with the HD280. A little bit of saving, a tax refund and a wife in a good mood brought me my first “high end” headphone purchase. Based on a glowing review from another website, and a sale at Best Buy, I bought the Sennheiser HD518, and based on the glowing review here, I got a pair of Sennheiser HD202. I figured it would be nice to have a pair of cheap, beater headphones around, and the HD202 were only twenty dollars. I figured that setup would be good enough for me.
Something happened, however, that I didn’t expect. Despite the obvious superiority in technicalities, I found myself preferring the HD202 over the HD518 with almost every genre. It was the fuller midrange that did it, with nice low end-weight, and treble that never made me wince. It took me a few hours to get used to the sound of the HD202, it had a darker tonality than I was used to at the time, but once I did, I was in love. And this love stood the test of time. The mids on the HD518 were just too recessed. It couldn’t compete. Even when compared to the likes of the AKG K550, which is technically playing a whole other sport than the HD202 or HD518, I came back to the wonderful tonality of the HD202. I realized what this meant. If I wanted an upgrade, the only natural step for someone who loved the HD202 as I did is the legendary HD650. And then that day arrived…

 

senn_hd650_story_01

 

Continue to the next page…


  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Rūdolfs-Putniņš/100001284307683 Rūdolfs Putniņš

    And no word on source equipment?

    • http://www.headfonia.com Mike

      That’s a good question, though I didn’t think that the source used would be too much of a big deal at this price level set up.

      • http://www.facebook.com/dave.ulrich.7 Dave Ulrich

        I actually did mention it. Second Page, “My set-up here consisted of a HP laptop running jRiver media Center, a
        Dacport LX (which I had gotten as a Christmas gift) and a JDSlabs cMoy.”

        • http://www.headfonia.com Mike

          And we all missed it, Dave!

          • http://www.facebook.com/dave.ulrich.7 Dave Ulrich

            I could SWEAR I had it in there! I didn’t make a huge point of it, because it wasn’t too important to this particular review. Plus, I was already running a bit long, and didn’t want to weigh it down with unnecessary exposition.

            • http://www.headfonia.com Mike

              Actually I remember reading that line in there, it’s just that when Rudolfs asked the question, I didn’t remember anything about it!

              #BrainNotFunctioning

    • http://www.headfonia.com/ L.

      True but I don’t think it is needed in the review, this is more of a “story” as an actual review. But maybe Dave can chime in on the source in the comments

  • George Lai

    Dang and I’m already so happy with my HD600.

    • http://www.headfonia.com Mike

      The 650 is about the bass, and if you think that you have enough bass, you should still try to audition the 650

      • George Lai

        I agree Mike except I listened to the HD700 today having read your review on it many many times and I’m in love! If you had to choose two of the three, 600/650/700, what would yours be?

        • http://www.headfonia.com Mike

          The H650 wins for the bass. It is just so addictive.

          The 700 is a great phone, much there technically, but it hasn’t quite reached the following the 650 has.

          I think you ought to give the 650 a try first.

          • George Lai

            There’s a HK website, gimmedigi.com, selling the 650 for USD371 with 2-year international warranty and free shipping to Singapore. Decisions decisions.

            • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=692862021 Nick Tam

              + 7% import GST -_-

              • George Lai

                Hi Nick, nice to hear from you again. You’ve been absent for a while from these pages. I believe you’re Singaporean. So is the Senn international warranty from this website real?

                • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=692862021 Nick Tam

                  That I can’t know but honestly you don’t find fake high end Senns. I can’t guarantee you anything because I never bought any of my gear online so far, everything for me was purchased locally from retail stores in Hong Kong.

                  If you purchased online from Hong Kong however, you’d have to send it back for the warranty claim.

                  I’m technically from Hong Kong but yea…

                  • George Lai

                    I guess you’re right regarding fakes. The pirates are more likely to target lower end Beats. What attracted me besides the price was the international warranty so there’d be no need to send it back to HK for warranty claims. Unless the warranty itself is fake.

                    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=692862021 Nick Tam

                      Headphones, no. IE8 and IE80 fakes, loads of them all over the place.

                      And no, I don’t think you’d ever need the warranty anyways. My HD650 is now 2 years old and I don’t have any problems with it

              • George Lai

                Three days later and after receiving NO replies from Sennheiser HK (email and FB), as well as Sennheiser HQ in Germany (email and FB), regarding the authenticity of gimmedigi.com’s offerings, I still haven’t bought it. Great headphones, crap customer service.

  • http://www.headfonia.com/ L.

    Awesome piece Dave, but you already knew that as I keep mailing you that :)
    Also Mike, absolutely STUNNING pictures.

    Great job guys, I’m proud of you :D

    Looking forward to reading more from you Dave

    • http://www.headfonia.com Mike

      Great article, isn’t it.

  • Pingback: Sennheiser HD580/HD600/HD650 - Side 12

  • dalethorn

    I guess they re-voiced the 650 somewhere. My 650 I bought when they first came out sounded exactly the same as my two 600′s except maybe 1 db different in the highs.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=692862021 Nick Tam

      It was mentioned before that there were two versions of the HD650, the drivers easily distinguishable with their colors and the fact that the latter HD650 is far easier to drive

      • dalethorn

        I read that somewhere a long time ago, but had forgotten, because the last 100 or so references I’ve seen did not mention it, including this entire review and all of the comments. Do you think it should be mentioned when discussing “The HD650″, which in most people’s minds will mean that there’s only one version?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=692862021 Nick Tam

    And every HD650 review needs a spotlight for the Bottlehead Crack.

    To be honest, the Crack in stock form is indeed bang for the buck. But it is also very capable of mods and upgrades which makes it worthy of a more expensive amplifier than the Valhalla.

    Not to be mean on your wallet but…
    The HD650 needs good calibre aftermarket copper cables. Really.

    • EraserXIV

      What’s wrong with the new production Russian tubes? I just bought a new production Tung-Sol 12AU7 which is manufactured by the same company that makes the electro-harmonix tunes (New Sensor Corp). I had heard some good impressions about it around the Bottlehead forums and other audio forums.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=692862021 Nick Tam

        Simply, I find the new production Russians not withstanding compared to those affordable vintage American ones.

    • John123John

      Weird, I always thought that the general consensus was that the HD650 needed a silver to get “rid of the veil”..

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=692862021 Nick Tam

        Silver never went well with the HD650 to begin with. I think it isn’t wrong to think that you should compensate the HD650′s treble rolloff with silver but that simply isn’t the case. The HD650 just needs good copper to bring out the best of its bass as the treble was not to main focus of its tuning to begin with.

        • http://www.facebook.com/dave.ulrich.7 Dave Ulrich

          I never found the veil there to being with. I like the darker sound. There is good detail in the treble too, once you know how to hear it. Or I should say, once you are used to listening to it.

          • dalethorn

            I wonder if that depends on how much variation there is from sample to sample. For instance, looking at Innerfidelity’s test of the 650, look at the huge disparity between left and right channels around 14 khz.

        • John123John

          wow definitely did not know that. I will keep that in mind for future cables.
          ouch wallet.

      • http://www.headfonia.com Mike

        For people who find the 650 too dark, silver can help. For people like me, I want copper with my 650.

      • http://www.headfonia.com/ L.

        I use a self made cable with Mogami 2893 star quad. Helped clear up the sound. I do however also like the stock cable, depends on my mood. and it’s not a world of difference either

        • http://www.headfonia.com Mike

          Silver Dragon is popular with local owners due to cost (you can buy in bulk and solder the wire yourself, or ask a local DIYer). Personally the Equinox cable I think is better than SD. The best I’ve tried is ALO’s silver plated copper, but hey they’re site sponsors so it’s not easy for me to talk about ALO cables.

          • http://www.facebook.com/dave.ulrich.7 Dave Ulrich

            If I’m not mistaken though, if you don’t like the sound of the headphone, no amount of re-cabling will change your mind.

            • http://www.headfonia.com/ L.

              Correct!

  • http://www.facebook.com/albert.broman Albert Broman

    Years I built a Bottlehead Foreplay amp that uses 12AU7. Went hunting for the ideal and ended up with a drawer full of 12AU7 tubes. What I am saying is that tube rolling is a hobby unto itself. You can get carried away and end up with a fair amount of money invested in tubes you don’t use, either because you no longer have kit that uses that type or have found your fave.
    A very good, affordable 12AU7 is the East German RFT. It seems to have a balanced response curve and an “open” sound. IMHO value for money. See, tube-rollers just can’t help offering opinions.

    • http://www.facebook.com/dave.ulrich.7 Dave Ulrich

      You are right. And now I very much want to try that tube for itself.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=692862021 Nick Tam

      From the choice of 12AU7s i can see as of now, the Tesla ECC802S is worth a try

  • http://www.facebook.com/dave.ulrich.7 Dave Ulrich

    And thanks Mike for the pictures. The ones I took were… less stunning, we will say.

    • http://www.headfonia.com Mike

      You’re welcome, Dave. The pictures mean nothing without your writing. :)

  • Damián Bonadonna

    Great story!

    So, still there is no worthy successor? X1 maybe?

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=692862021 Nick Tam

      Never will be. The HD650 has been tested with time, and nothing beats that addictive slamming bass, not even the HD700 and HD800 was able to replace the HD650 :)

      • Damián Bonadonna

        Wow… I will try to audition it with my C421.. but I guess it will fall short to “unveil” it. I was thinking to buy an HE500 to complement the SRH1840… but you think and HD650 will make a better job? Again I have a C421 only :) .

        • http://www.headfonia.com Mike

          Don’t we all love talking about the 650

        • http://www.facebook.com/dave.ulrich.7 Dave Ulrich

          I actually thought the HD650 paired nicely with the C421. A little more clear than with the cMoy and a noticeably bigger sound-stage. And if I am not mistaken, the 1840 has a similar tonality to the HD650 except a little more refined, but loosing that bass impact (well, I’m out).

          • http://www.headfonia.com Mike

            Yes JDSLabs amps have always been great with the 600 and 650s.

            • http://www.facebook.com/dave.ulrich.7 Dave Ulrich

              Is that also a comment on the C5 with the HD650?

          • http://www.headfonia.com/ L.

            C421 + HD650 is my rig at work. It’s not the best for the HD650 but it does a pretty good job!

          • Damián Bonadonna

            So to complement the 1840, the HD650 would be better than HE400/500?

            • http://www.facebook.com/dave.ulrich.7 Dave Ulrich

              I haven’t heard the hifiman phones (yet), but I think they are the more different from the 1840. So if you are happy with the 1840 doing its thing, I would go for a hifiman next.

              • http://www.headfonia.com Mike

                That’s correct.

              • Damián Bonadonna

                Well it is really detailed I think, but not much bass slam there… I’ve just bought Sol Republic Amps HD (in-ear) and they really have the bass… I might want something in that style, non-fatiguing and more fun. Maybe the HE400 as is easier to amp than the HE500, although many people recommends the later. I would like a closed back for a change, the only one I have is a B&W P5, but who knows.. so many options :P . For now, as I’m moving around, cannot have a dedicated home setup.. so C421 + LX will be the source.

                HE400 then?

                • http://www.headfonia.com Mike

                  So you want something with more bass slam and closed back?

                  • Damián Bonadonna

                    I guess, so I can use them in the office as well… but I don’t want to lose clarity and mid-range for vocals. I listen mostly to Acoustics, Norah Jones, brit-pop, Coldplay, etc.. Not metal, not hard-rock, not much classical… problem is that I’ve never seen any Beyer in middle east.. and I cannot audition almost anything except Bose and Dr. Dre.

                    • dalethorn

                      I could use the new Bose AE2 in a pinch – the slanted drivers give it a spacious sound, bass is decent, mids are neither recessed or forward, and the treble is down about 3-4 db at 8 to 10 khz (down from ideal, not down from bright). I think some of the older AE2s might have sounded worse, based on freq. response charts I’ve seen. The treble isn’t perfectly smooth unfortunately, but still usable if not boosted much.

                    • Damián Bonadonna

                      I have the Q15, which I guess are better. I think I really want to try the planars. If not, maybe a Momentum or V-Moda M100… wanted the 3000ANV but they are quite expensive.

                    • dalethorn

                      I would suggest saving for the 3000ANV or a planar. You’ll probably find the M100 very bland (once you get past the bass emphasis), and the Momentum, while it’s pretty good, has an uneven treble that wears thin for serious listening.

                    • http://www.headfonia.com Mike

                      The 3000ANV, I think is a cans for someone who owns several high end headphones. It won’t do on its own if you’re looking for one high end cans.

                    • Damián Bonadonna

                      The SRH1840 can be considered high end? Or we are talking about 1000+ USD flagships?

                      Anyhow, I realized that when I listen most music is at work. At home, I don’t usually have a time as I’m jumping from doing one thing to another so I cannot be hook up to the computer. Or, when on a taxi.. or on the move. When on the move is much more practical to use IEMs, I found the Amps HD to be pretty good.. I only miss Shure Olives for comfort.

                      As open back are not for my type of office.. mmm… I was reading Tyll reviews, but it seems that what seems to be perfect for him (like the Momentum) have a lot of criticism in other sites.

                      Unfortunately I cannot try 99% of the headphones I want to buy, so I just buy for what I read :( . It is not about saving, is more about justifying what I buy. I could buy an HD800 + LCD3 +… but 1) I don’t have a place for a nice amp 2) I don’t think my music enjoyment will change radically 3) I don’t have a place for all the gear now.

                      After all these years of trying hundred of phones, which are your picks? I think the recommendation page is not updated, right?

                    • http://www.headfonia.com Mike

                      I was talking of the $1k flaghips

                    • dalethorn

                      I think the 1840 would be high end if it had a good bass response. The Momentum sounds good as a portable, but in home with a good system the treble is too uneven.

                • http://www.headfonia.com/ L.

                  Bass + fun + Closed? -> Beyerdynamic Custom!

                  • Damián Bonadonna

                    I read the review… but I do listen to Eddie Vedder :) and I don’t want to miss the mids. As I listen to vocals mostly.. mids are very important.

    • http://www.facebook.com/dave.ulrich.7 Dave Ulrich

      The X1 is suppose to be awesome, but not quite the same. The HD650 seems to hold a special place in the hallowed halls of audiophilia.

      • Damián Bonadonna

        My only concern is the build quality.. chips in the painting I remember to have read. And well.. they don’t look too sexy :P .

        • http://www.headfonia.com Mike

          I think that problem is more common on the 600s.

          • http://www.headfonia.com/ L.

            My 650 started to chip :( I think the 600 and 650 both will) I like the 650 , it’s the look of the 600 which is not so great with the blue

    • http://www.headfonia.com Mike

      I would second what Dave said about the X1.

  • John123John

    Great Review Dave!
    This reminds me of my headphone/audiophile journey as I too ended up with the HD650 and Bottlehead Crack. Went through the M50, HD598, TF10, D2000, DT880, GR06 and HD600 (Still need to try the AKG 701 and SR325i) so it took me a little longer than you… haha
    I always knew that the HD650 was going to be my end game (for now) headphone but I guess that makes me subject to Confirmation Bias…

    Even after trying more “high end” headphones, I wouldn’t/couldn’t sell my HD650.

    You really just can’t get over that low end~

    • http://www.headfonia.com Mike

      Excited to hear that, John! The low end is quite irreplaceable.

      And yes, even after all the high end gear, the HD650 still plays beautiful music for me.

  • Barun C

    Sennheiser had some great headphones back in the late 80s and 90s starting with the HD 560 Ovation and the HD 250 Linear II . Very competitive when compared to the 600/650s, few consider them better in every way especially considering the veil aspect of the 6xx series.

    • http://www.headfonia.com Mike

      Sorry I have to disagree. They have more treble, yes. Detail, resolution, timbre, tonal, almost all aspect of technicalities however can’t compare to the 600/650.

      • Barun C

        Good for you, although there is a thing called perception. As I’ve stated there are a few who have this notion at head-fi including me. I have used all of these headphones with Class A 4W/channel and 5W/channel amps for more than 6 months now and in terms of tonality and timbre the 6XX series including the 580s do not come close. Except that the 560s have grainy highs. Yet to try the HD540 reference gold cans, have heard that the HD800 are a modified version of the 540s.

        The 250 Linear II is perhaps the best closed headphones ever made by Sennheiser . Their sound stage and imaging are commendable and deserves a look back from you guys at headfonia.

        In the 6XX series, the 600s sound more balanced to me compared to the 650s. 600s have a better overall representation, very smooth, neutral and moderately warm, 650s have a better resolution and bass but the highs are rolled off.

        People might agree or disagree but this is my take on the matter. Very well written article BTW, I always enjoy reading your articles.

        • dalethorn

          Tyll’s measurement of the 650 does show that rolloff pretty clearly, but that rolloff does seem to be a trend in a large part of the headphone community today (not sure about audiophile community).

  • http://twitter.com/msastradipura yOnz

    I heard hd650 is a good match with bottlehead crack..but so far i do enjoy very much my hd650 with graham slee srg ii (+ centrance dac lx)..very nice sound !! I would say hd650 is headphone of all time ;)

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=692862021 Nick Tam

      Have you not heard that the Crack is the word?

  • http://www.facebook.com/ray.lucas.9235 Ray Lucas

    Nice review Dave. The timing couldn’t have been better, as I just pulled the trigger a month ago on the HD650′s. I have been a long-time fan of big speakers, but after filling up every room of my house with gear, the next logical step was a pair of headphones. After reading and reading and reading (since it is hard to find Senn’s anywhere to audition), I went with the 650. The reason being, I read from a number of people that they sounded the most like speakers. That is what I was looking for and boy they don’t disappoint. I am running them off of my HK AVR-354 receiver’s headphone out and can’t wait to get a good amp behind them. With great brands like Schiit, Carey Audio, Woo, and for the DIY crowd the Bottlehead, I guess it is time to start researching my next purchase. In any case, thanks for sharing and cheers!

    • http://www.facebook.com/dave.ulrich.7 Dave Ulrich

      For the money, I doubt you will be able to beat the Crack. Of course, I can’t claim to have heard all amps, but the 650/crack combo is very… well, you red my review.

  • ryan

    After reading this review, my H650 is out of the box after 2 months

    • dalethorn

      So how does it sound?

      • ryan

        Sounds great!
        HD650 is very special on its own warm and thick sound.

    • http://www.headfonia.com Mike

      Good to hear the review has a positive effect. ;)

      • ryan

        Even I don’t listen to it very often, I will keep and not sell it off just for the sake ‘I still own a HD650′

        • http://www.headfonia.com/ L.

          Why don’t you use it regularly?

          • http://www.headfonia.com Mike

            He probably has better headphones, and is not a blind 650 fan boy ;)

            • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=692862021 Nick Tam

              Blame it all on the DT770AE xP

              • ryan

                i blame T1 and HD800 now…hehehe

                • http://www.headfonia.com/ L.

                  I have “better” ones too, yet I still use the HD650 too :p

          • ryan

            Well, I have better ones :)

  • foodiddly

    Y’all really need a copy editor.

    • http://www.headfonia.com Mike

      Thank you!

      • http://www.headfonia.com/ L.

        Thank you? Isn’t he criticizing us? ;)

        • http://www.headfonia.com Mike

          Well he’s probably right.

  • noname

    In my experience HD650 plays best with O2+ODAC. It’s very good in absolute terms, but a real killer in price/performance.

    • http://www.facebook.com/imackler Isaiah Mackler

      I had bass distortion with that combo. It can be alleviated if you use a upgraded power source. I thought my HD650 was broke. Something about the output impedance of the ODAC… I didn’t have that problem with the line out of my Ipod Classic and O2

    • http://twitter.com/ashneel99 Ashneel Parahoo

      I thought that too..but after auditioning some OTL amps: Crack/Woo WA3, the 02 seemed a little lifeless for the HD650. For the price though, you can’t get any better. I still use the ODAC with my Crack

  • ryan

    Fostex HP-A8 with HD650 – Cool!!!

  • http://www.headfonia.com Mike

    I realize you all are having a lot of fun with this article, but I gotta move on and make room for new articles that are to come.

    You HD650 fanboys are free to continue the discussion here on this thread, but the article will not be at the top spot anymore. No offense, okay? ;)

    I should make a dedicated area for the HD650 on this website because we’re looking more and more like a HD650 cult website.

    Luckily we had that Beyer to save us from being branded Sennheiser fanboys. Right, L? ;)

    • George Lai

      Agreed. Picked up the DT770 LE for US$230 last week. But that doesn’t mean I still won’t eye an HD650. Soon. Very soon.

      • http://www.headfonia.com Mike

        Yeah and in the mean time I’m telling 650 owners to upgrade to the TH900. That’s what friends are for, after all.

        • George Lai

          Mike, I like to have a self imposed limit of around USD500 for my headphones for the simple reason that if I had say a TH900, I’d be tempted to use it the most and neglect my other loved ones. Variety is the spice of life.

          • http://www.headfonia.com Mike

            That’s the right way to go, George. Good for you if you can have that balance.

  • Andre

    Has anyone out there by any chance tried the HD650 with the Fiio e17/e9k stack or individually? I’m starting to notice particular cans don’t like that stack as much as others. My Denons and my a900x react completely different to the stack. The D5k’s work better with just the e17 and sound very basic with the stack while the a900x are amazing and actually sound better than the Denons with the stack. Wider better sound stage and mids are on a totally different level. So I was curious if anyone has had any experience with the pairing.

    Thanks

    • http://www.facebook.com/dave.ulrich.7 Dave Ulrich

      Mike said it was a decent pairing. Not great, but pretty good.

      • http://www.headfonia.com Mike

        Yeah the Fiio E17 is decent to pretty good for the 650. The E9K too, but when on the E9K I prefer the E7K.

  • Andrew Hulva

    Very nice review. Down to earth reviews pair nicely with the more experienced and technical ones on the site. I don’t know if you will, but I would love to read more of your writing. Two thumbs up!

    • http://www.facebook.com/dave.ulrich.7 Dave Ulrich

      I will as long as they’ll have me.

      • http://www.headfonia.com/ L.

        I’m already looking forward to the next writeup!

  • A1_Dan

    Hi Mike, I have a pair of Senn IE80′s which I love, I’m looking for a pair of full size headphones with a similar sound signature. Would the HD650′s be what I’m looking for. I have a pair of Q701′s which are great but don’t seem to put me in the music like the IE80′s. Thanks

    • http://www.headfonia.com Mike

      Yes, go with the 650 if you enjoy the IE80. The signature is similar though the 650 is more laid back.

      • A1_Dan

        Thanks mike

  • http://twitter.com/ashneel99 Ashneel Parahoo

    Damn..I was about to get the Speedball. I am currently using the 6080 Stock. Should I take the tube rolling route instead? Doc loves the TS 5998/Mullard ECC82. Can someone advice me?

    • http://www.headfonia.com/ L.

      I could be wrong but maybe Dave’s opinion has been adjusted a little. I’m sure he’ll chime in later. I’d start with tube rolling first if you already have a crack. It’s more fun :)

      • http://twitter.com/ashneel99 Ashneel Parahoo

        Aye..tough call for me. What tubes are you using, and whats your take on speedball?

    • http://www.facebook.com/dave.ulrich.7 Dave Ulrich

      Well, I loved the TS 5998/RCA cleartop with the stock kit. So, I reverted my kit to stock only to have my 5998 stop working, so I was unable to see if I still preferred the stock with those tubes. With my other tubes, I am finding myself definitely preferring it with the speedball. Of course, I am having issues reinstalling the speedball, but that is neither here nor there. In truth, I had only spent about a week with the speedball when I sent in my review. I might just have needed more time to get used to it. With the stock tubes, definitely the speedball.

      • http://twitter.com/ashneel99 Ashneel Parahoo

        Thanks..I think i’ll get the Speedball first. Sucks that the 5998 stopped working. I might also experiment with some cheaper RCA RCA 6AS7/RCA cleartops. $40 was the price for the 5998s some years back..>$80 nowadays for a NOS seems f**cked up

        • http://www.facebook.com/dave.ulrich.7 Dave Ulrich

          I find the RCA 6as7 pairs well with the JJ ECC802S, provided you like a very warm sound.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=692862021 Nick Tam

        Speedball: Maximizes the potential of the Crack.
        Output tube: Gives overall tonality to the Crack’s sound.
        Input tube: Tweaks the sound or further refines it.

        Speedball is a better value in this case if you’re looking for technicalities. If you want to tone your Crack, a RCA 6AS7G paired with the Cleartop 12AU7A is more than enough to give the Crack a musical tonality abeit less technicalities since neither of these two tubes are extremely high on the tube hierarchy

  • George Lai

    My HD650 came today at the same time as my cMoy BB. Guess it’s karma.

    • http://www.headfonia.com Mike

      Wow sweet!

      • George Lai

        Mike, just two hours without burn-in and just 256 Kbps MP3, it is already so so sweet. And that bass? Ready to rumble. Can’t wait till it’s settled down. Now with my HD600, the King and Queen are together at last.

        • http://www.headfonia.com Mike

          Good to hear that, bro.

          • George Lai

            Mike, thanks to you. Or is that no thanks? You know what I mean.

        • http://www.facebook.com/dave.ulrich.7 Dave Ulrich

          Isn’t it amazing how musical it is with the cMoy?

          • George Lai

            Dave, match made in heaven. I’ll stick with that match for the time being. Of course, time is relative ;-)

            • http://www.facebook.com/dave.ulrich.7 Dave Ulrich

              Since I foolishly kept messing with my Crack and it is now out of commission, I have been using the cMoy again, and my love for it never ceases.

              • George Lai

                With this hobby (or is that vice?), one must know when to stop. And smell the roses as they say.

                • http://www.headfonia.com Mike

                  I think you’re almost ready for retirement. Just one more job left. A big $2k amp for the 650 and you’re all set.

                  Afterwards don’t ever come back to this site, ever.

                  • George Lai

                    Mike, ha ha. As the Governator said those immortal words … I’ll Be Back!

                  • http://www.facebook.com/dave.ulrich.7 Dave Ulrich

                    So Mike, does the Woo Audio 5 sound 8x as good as the Bottlehead Crack?

                    • http://www.headfonia.com Mike

                      Of course no, but we all still want the 5, right ;)

                    • http://www.facebook.com/dave.ulrich.7 Dave Ulrich

                      I know I do!

                  • George Lai

                    So, Mike. If there is only ONE $2k amp to go with this (main genres are rock, and blues) which would YOU recommend?

                    • http://www.headfonia.com Mike

                      Zana Deux Se is perfect for that.

                    • George Lai

                      That’s two. (deux is two in French).

                    • http://www.headfonia.com Mike

                      Yes, and send one over to me ;)

                    • George Lai

                      Touché. I shall now go Google

                • dalethorn

                  I don’t think of it as a hobby. I think of it as a roller coaster ride, where if I get off too early it could have a negative result.

                  • George Lai

                    That’s so apt, Dale.

  • Zacks

    Hi Mike, I recently purchased a pair of MS pro’s, how does hd650 sound comparing to MS pro’s? I mainly listen to classical music, so I wonder how far MS pro’s can match to hd650 on this genre.

    • http://www.headfonia.com Mike

      If you listen to symphonies and pianos, the Sennheiser totally outdoes the Pro in bass impact. I have the Pro and I use it for flute and wind instruments, but anything that needs bass, the 650. German headphone for German (mainly) music.

      • Zacks

        Thanks, what about other features? Like sound stage and image.

        • http://www.headfonia.com Mike

          The Sennheiser feels more closed and less open, but soundstage image is far superior than the Pro. The Pro feels very open but image depth is very flat.

          • Zacks

            So, do you think if it’s worth to own both headphones? Use Pro for strings and concerto and use hd650 for symphonies.

            • http://www.headfonia.com Mike

              Yes. I personally think the HD650 is the better headphone for classical. The Pro is better for Jazz and Blues.

              • Zacks

                Actually I also curious about hd600, would there be any difference between hd600 and hd650 when listening to symphonies and concertos?

                • http://www.headfonia.com Mike

                  I think the HD650 is better, but you can check out the review here

                  http://www.headfonia.com/tag/sennheiser

                  • Zacks

                    I just did actually, looks like hd650 has a darker sound and a heavier bass presence.

                    • http://www.headfonia.com Mike

                      Yes, you’re correct

                  • Zacks

                    I also own the hd598, how is its soundstage and accuracy comparing to hd650?

                • http://www.headfonia.com Mike

                  Or do a Google search for

                  Headfonia hd600 HD650

                  Sorry the insite search function sucks.

  • ryan

    Finally I am letting go of my HD650…:)

    • http://www.facebook.com/dave.ulrich.7 Dave Ulrich

      If you are going to post that kind of trash, do it on another review ;)