The New Grado Sound: Grado PS500

The New Grado Sound: Grado PS500

November 11, 2011 |  by  |  $500-$1000, Portables  | 

Two years ago Grado released a special edition HF2 headphone that met a very warm reception from the headphone community. With the HF2, Grado demonstrated not only the use of a wood-metal housing combination, but more importantly, a different version of the Grado sound.

The HF2 was very smooth, as if it had tube amps directly planted on its drivers. Treble was smooth and unoffensive, midrange was full bodied and lush, bass was more present and pleasant. Though still a forward sound, it wasn’t as aggressive and as bright sounding as the standard Grados. It was somewhat taking the direction to the roots, the Joseph Grado HP1000 model, and yet it was still quite different. That was the new Grado sound that the HF2 brought, and everybody loved it. After roughly two years, we now have a new Grado that reminds us of the HF2. The same housing shape. The same silver finish (though the HF2 is a plain anodized finish, while the PS500 is a painted on finish). The same wood-metal combination. And most of all, almost the same sound.

THE NEW GRADO SOUND

The PS500 and the HF2 seem to be the new direction that Grado is taking. Previously, modern Grado sound signature followed the same guidelines from the entry level SR60 to the RS1 model. We all know how fun the SR60 was with its glaring treble and forward sound. The first time I auditioned the SR60, it really blew me away with all those details! Why would I pay $400 for a muffled Sennheiser headphone (HD650) if I can have much better detail level with just $60. Of course, as time goes I started to realize that those are just treble, not true micro details. (And apparently everyone else also seem to realize the same thing — hence the general shift toward dark sounding headphones and people pledging alliance toward the Stax O2, the Audez’e LCD-2, the JH16, and *gasp* the not-so-cool “veiled” Sennheiser HD650.)

What have happened is that as we spend more time on headphones, our ears become more sensitive, and what was once a nice and clear treble becomes a bright, excessive, treble presence. Thus, when the HF2 was released, everybody loved it. Gone is the bright treble replaced by a less offensive yet still forward signature, smoother sound across the frequencies, and a much better bass presence. For years, Grado owners have tried to smooth out the sound with a thick sounding tube amp, but now they don’t need to anymore as the new Grado sound will give them that smooth tube sound even without a tube amp.

Seeing how the crowd loved the HF2, sometime after the release of the HF2 I called Todd @ TTVJ and told him that it would be a good move if Grado releases a new model, not a limited edition model, based on the HF2 sound because that’s what people want. Well I’m not saying the PS500 was my idea, but I’m just saying, you know, since Todd is pretty close with the Grado folks (hence all HF2s are only sold through TTVJ). Sshhhh! Don’t tell Grado I said what I said.

The "Old" Grado vs the "New" Grado.

 

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  • http://twitter.com/Lieven_V Lieven V

    Nice one Mike!

    • Bulmanxxi

      Any speculation as to what the external metal adds to SQ or anything else in addition to the inner wooden chamber other that weight (a bad thing)?

      • Anonymous

        Hi Bulmanxxi,
        Well the reason they added the metal part is (if I remember correctly) to suppress any small vibrations that may have occurred on the wood housing. Personally, I don’t think it makes a difference. I’ve listened to a lot of wood Grados up to the GS1000 and even some SR60-SR125s that people re-case in a DIY wood housing. None of them had problems with vibrations even the slightest bit. And if the vibrations were indeed a problem, I don’t think they would still be selling the RS1 and GS1000 headphones at prices higher than the PS500 — if indeed there is a problem with pure wood housing.

        The sound signature changes on the PS500 and HF2 seems to be more of a result of headphone tuning through the drivers and damping materials.

        But I’m no headphone designer, and I have no knowledge as to how different materials behave acoustically, so I can be wrong on this.

        • Bulmanxxi

          Thanks, Mike.  Yes, it seems the metal is more of a “bling” gimmick (although it looks nice but at the same time the extra weight is not necessary).  Do you think the PS 500 are an upgrade over the RS2i?  Thank you.

          • Anonymous

            Well, that was just from my observation, and as I’ve said I’m not a headphone designer so I can be wrong. ;)
            On the other models (say SR325is), the metal is not a bling gimmic. With the plastic housing you still get some of the plastic resonances which affect the timbre of the sound, and in turn affecting how instruments would sound. I still think the wood Grado models have one of the finest timbre around.
            PS500-RS2i: again a case of different sound signature.

    • Anonymous

      Thanks, L!

  • Simon Guilmain

    Very good review Mike! I notice at the end that you have listed the MS-Pro so can you please provide some comparaison between the two? I know you had the MS-Pro for a while now. Thanks!

    • Bulmanxxi

      Yes, please compare to MS-Pro and RS-1i.  Thank you.

      • Anonymous

        I made a new comment above on this. Sorry for failing to mention the MS Pro.
        It is still my favorite Grado. :)

        • Bulmanxxi

          Mike, which one has more bass impact – 325is or 500/HF2?  I have the RS-2i and they are a bit weak in their impact although still going through burn in.  Thank you.

          • Anonymous

            The bass is a bit different. The 325is is leaner but tighter and punchier. The 500/HF2 is rounder and fatter. I guess it would depend on the music.
            I don’t think burn in will do anything to bass impact though. ;)

            You know that Grados are never about bass impact :)

  • Turokroucks

    Hi,
    I am in the process of buying my first Grado, and have about $600 so which Grado would you advise me to buy?
    Your advice is really appreciated, as I am enjoying my B.1350 after your review!
    Regards

    • Anonymous

      Do you want something similar to the Beyer 1350 or something different?

      If similar, go for the PS500/HF2. If different, go for the SR325 line up (even an SR125 is fine IMO).

      • Turokrocks

        Thanks for the update, I tried to look for the HF2 but I could not find it anywhere, even at TTVJ (I got their TTVJ SLim) !!! Anyone knows where? appreciated.

        • Anonymous

          Hi Turokrocks,
          I think the HF2 was a limited edition run.

        • Anonymous

          The Grado HF2 was only made for a short time, and was a limited edition for the Head-Fi.org community.

          Same goes for the HF1, which came a couple of years before the HF2.

          Only way to get them now would be to search the Head-Fi classifieds. HF1′s tend to go for $325-350, and HF2′s around $450.

  • Almuts

    You mentioned MS-Pros as one of the gears used for comparison but not mentioned any differences between them.

    Could you please give a small review about the differences between them since I recently acquire a pair of second hand old batch of MS-Pros. I wonder if PS-500 is in the same genus or a totally different breed from the MS-Pros.

    • Almuts

      I’m sorry I did not see that there were similar questions to mine

      • Anonymous

        I made a new comment above on this. Sorry for failing to mention the MS Pro.

        It is still my favorite Grado. :)

  • Anonymous

    Guys, I apologize for failing to mention anything in comparison to the MS-Pro’s sound. I did an RS1 vs MSPro comparison a long time ago and basically it comes down to this (between the RS1 and MSPro): Identical technicalities, timbre, detail etc, with the only different being RS1 is as usual Grado forward and the MSPro being more neutral without that forward vocals and mids.

    The PS500, HF2, and SR325 I would rank all three at the same technicalities level, the only difference being sound signature.

    So, now you have three different sound signatures:
    Alessandro MS-PRo – one sound signature
    Grado RS1, SR325 – another sound signature
    Grado HF2, PS500 – another sound signature

    Here is the Grado RS1 Alessandro MS-Pro review if you’re interested to read:
    http://www.headfonia.com/grado-rs1-and-alessandro-ms-pro/

  • jendol

    hi mike, can you comment on the benefit of pairing a good amp to this ps500

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=698399946 Joe Coquelle Di Lecce

    Hello Mike  :o)

    I’m considering to buy the PS500 or RS1 or RS2, to couple with the Fostex HP-P1.

    The current set up is the SR225i with GoVibe Magnum, that I’ll pass to family & friends.

    I listen all kind of  ’sounds’, being mostly instrumentals from world to jazz&dance 
    (& sometimes from classical  to rock).

    What would you advice? 

    Thank you for your passion! 
    :D )))

    • Anonymous

      Hi Joe,
      How do you like the SR225i sound? The RS1 will give you a better sound but similar in character. The RS2 is a bit different, more neutral like the Alessandros. And as for the PS500, it’s another good sound from Grado, but different (as you’ve probably have read from the review).
      I really can’t tell you in this case, I think they are all good and you just have to make the choice yourself. :)

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=698399946 Joe Coquelle Di Lecce

        Hello Mike :o )

        I could compare the SR225i with what I’ve tried:
        Grado 60/80/125/RS1
        Sennehiser HD 25/600/650/800
        Beyerdynamic 770/990 
        Audio Tecnica 1000
        Denon 5000
        Ultrasone 8/10

        My favorite choices to upgrade the SR225i will be the RS1 & HD800.

        OK, then I should find a shop or expo that as the tree headphones to try,or go to the Brooklyn headquarters and try there.
        (& would like to try the LCD-2 too)      ;D)))

        Thank you for helping out! :o )

        • Anonymous

          If you really like the SR225i then the RS1 is the more logical upgrade.
          As for the HD800, I think you’ll be better off with the HD650/600/25.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=698399946 Joe Coquelle Di Lecce

            Great! :D

            Yes, I’m feeling the RS1
            (now looking the MS Pro site too… eheheh)

            Then will see for the LCD-2. ;o)

            Thank you for answering!

            • Anonymous

              Actually the SR325is gives you almost everything about the RS1 at half the price. ;)

  • http://twitter.com/dhaninugraha Nugraha N.

    Great job with the photos, Mike!
    Breaking the habit, eh? ;)

    • Anonymous

      LOL. You like it? Makes boring photos look interesting. :)

  • Tim.L.

    Hey Mike,

    I’ve been considering a nice headphone upgrade from the Alessandro MS-1i, really love the sound signature, between the PS500 and the RS1i, which is more towards the alessandro sound? Or should i just go for the Pro?

    • http://www.headfonia.com Mike

      Tim,
      If you really like the MS1i then you should just go with the MS-Pro.

  • Davmcallister

    Hey Mike,

    How would these be for prog rock?

    I am currently looking at spending about $600 on new headphones.  Unfortunately, there isn’t a place to test headphones where I live.  I have narrowed my choices down to:
    Grado PS500, AKG Q701, BeyerDynamic DT990, Senn HD600, Senn HD650.

    Any help would be appreciated.  Right now for full headphones I currently use AKG 518LE and Grado SR60is.

    What I am looking for is clear instrument separation and good decay, ie.  the hitting of a cymbal is the decay from the ringing of that cymbal.

    Thanks Mike…Dave

    • http://www.headfonia.com Mike

      Dave,
      I think the PS500 would be a little too soft for prog-rock. I’d like to have something with stronger attack for prog-rock and I would probably still go with the SR325is or RS1.
      How do you find your SR60is to be for your music? And the K518LE?

      • Davmcallister

        Thanks for the reply Mike,

        I like my SR60s sounds, however I would like something maybe alittle less on the treble.  My 518s are for listening to music/watching a movie on the bus.

        I have heard you say that the 325 is 80% of the RS1 for half the money.  I have also read that the 325 is bright.

        The use for these are for my computer.  My setup would be computer–> Musiland Monitor 02 (thanks for your review!) –> headphone.

        Would the RS2 be less bright or would you recommend the HD600 for less bright.  If there is another headphone you would recommend please jump in!

        Thanks!…Dave

        • http://www.headfonia.com Mike

          Dave,
          I listened to the latest SR325is version and I don’t think it was overly bright. However if you want to be safe the HD600 would be the one to go for.

          • Davmcallister

            Thanks Mike,

            Appreciate it!

  • Anonymous

    Hi Mike,

    How would the sound compare between the Alessandro MS2 and the PS500? I have been reading that they’re both similar to the SR325i (but more neutral sounding?) and I have been looking to buy a grado.

    However, I’m about worried about brightness since I do listen to kpop and jpop quite abit. You mentioned that PS500 does quite well with these genres? It’s just that I live in Australia and its quite hard to be able to find anyone who is willing to ship a PS500 here.

    Thanks,

    Ken

    • http://www.headfonia.com Mike

      Ken, 
      The MS2 is a more neutral, not as forward sounding version of the SR325i. Recently they came out with a new variant, and I’ve shared my impression of the new MS2 on our Facebook: 
      https://www.facebook.com/headfonia/posts/332121806832523

      If you listen to Jpop and Kpop, I don’t know, Grados would probably be too much treble and likewise the Alessandros. I would strongly recommend something darker. 

      Maybe post a track from Youtube that represents your Jpop and Kpop playlist? 

      • Anonymous

        Thanks Mike,

        Here’s 2 kpop songs

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OSmITtaX3o

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64VZUNTmGQM

        and 1 jpop

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2v0KAlKeVw

        I currently have a pair of M50s with Fiio e10 as my source from my laptop. I think I want something with less and tighter bass as well and more detail.

        Thanks again, Ken

        • http://www.headfonia.com Mike

          Ken, 
          I listened to the three tracks and I definitely don’t think that the Grados/Alessandros are the headphone for those. 

          As for more detail? Do you want treble or low level detail? The songs are all studio recordings and doesn’t really have low level details. As for treble, I don’t know but I wouldn’t recommend a bright headphone for those recordings.

          FYI I was listening to them to the HD580 which is a dark headphone with good bass and I think the headphone was a pretty good match. It’s basically the same driver as the HD600 so you can try looking into the HD600. 

          • Anonymous

            Would my e10 be sufficient source for the HD600? would an HD650 be good as well?

            As for the PS500, is there a cheaper alternative just to give a flavour to what sound reproduction I would get?

            thanks

          • http://www.headfonia.com Mike

            Hi Ken, 
            The E10 should be enough for the HD600, but you can upgrade to better things later. 

            The PS500? Unfortunately no. You can try the Alessandro MS1, to get a taste of the Grado sound, but it’s not quite like the PS500.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Salvatore-Buscemi/609319373 Salvatore Buscemi

    Mike: appreciate the blog very much. I have a newer pair of PS500s that I use with both a Triad L3 and an ALO V2 Continental/ AlgoRhythym Solo package.

    At first the sound was great, but then a clapping sound started to show up this week -with both amps and I’m wondering if I blew out the phones before breaking them in.

    Note: without the amps, the PS500s sound fine.
    My question is: are these ruined and what is the appropriate break-in period for these. How would you suggest I treat a new pair, albeit not as aggressively…

    Thanks,
    Sal

    • http://www.headfonia.com Mike

      Sal,
      That shouldn’t be related to burn-in. Can you try to isolate the problem? You mentioned that the problem exists with both amps. What if you bypass the CLAS?
      You can read my thoughts on how to do burn in on the FAQ #17 and #18.

      http://www.headfonia.com/faq/

  • nightfly

    I have both the SR 325i and the PS 500, both great headphone. The PS 500 I find are just a bit cleaner/clear especially in the mid range according to my ears. Take note my musical taste is jazz, especially vocals.

  • zeeman1

    This is the worst review I’ve ever read. I’ve owned all the 325 models and they are not better than the PS 500′s in any way. Calling the finish amateurish is simply stupid as the Grado’s have always had a more retro appearance. My 500′s look and feel great and are easily better sounding than the 325′s.

    • dalethorn

      I bought a PS500 new, and I think my review is still featured on Grado’s PS500 product page. I EQ’d the small hump around 100-125 hz down a little, and at that point I thought the sound was so smooth from top to bottom, with just the right detail and tone accuracy, that they could be the perfect headphone for every genre, for music lovers. Not necessarily for gamers, experimenters, or sound effects lovers though. Just music. Many people will scratch their heads about the $600 price, but oddly enough, most people buying at that price point aren’t listening to Yo Yo Ma or Lang Lang. More likely the Beastie Boys et al, which is almost a different world. I do have some sound effects and radical street music, but I don’t use the PS500 for those tracks.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Victor-Yu/517350603 Victor Yu

    Mike, will you consider the PS500 a neutral sounding headphone, compare to ATH woodies? Do you think my Asgard and WA6SE can match it well?

    • http://www.headfonia.com Mike

      The Alessandro MS-Pro is more neutral.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Victor-Yu/517350603 Victor Yu

        Do you think my amps can match both PS500 and Ms-Pro well?

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  • http://twitter.com/mkvy1 mkvy

    I returned my sr225i due to lack of response in the bass department, now received the ps500, right out of the box the baseline is pumping!

    • http://twitter.com/mkvy1 mkvy

      I still can’t believe how much better the sr60i sounds compared to the sr225i, and the ps500 is just an amazing sound

      • http://www.headfonia.com Mike

        Wow!

    • http://www.headfonia.com Mike

      Nice!

  • gerard bouchard

    Hello,
    I am considering to upgrade my alessandro ms1I with L pads.
    Those are lovely headphones but i would like to get more from my Schiit Asgard and the micromega myDAC.

    I am currently thinking about the MS2, the MSPRO or the PS500. I heard that PS500s were a bargain with G Pads…
    But i don’t think that G pads fit my musical taste (alternative rock).

    Here is what i tipically listen : http://youtu.be/7I79m7_kAnA

    I really dont know what to do….

    • http://www.headfonia.com Mike

      Gerard,
      If you like the the current tonality of the Alessandro MS1, I think you should go for the PS500.

      If you want something that sounds more open, get the MS-Pro, but it also comes with more treble and less bass body.

      I just listened to that track you posted, and I think either the PS500 and the MS-Pro would be nice. The MS-Pro is more impressive, but the PS500 will go better with a wider range of music.

      • dalethorn

        I just listened to that track too. The sound quality is good enough that I think it would sound good on almost anything. But the bass is not strong, and the treble, while not harsh or anything like that, is strong enough that some headphones won’t like it (I wish I still had the PS500 to compare).

      • gerard bouchard

        Mike and dalethorn
        Thanks you for answering me.

        I actually think that MS1s have a lack in the bass area with the L pads.Then , I think that I have to go with the PS500s If i want a stronger and fuller bass section.

        Does the PS500 sound less open than the MS1?

  • Yongky

    hi mike, i just made my purchase with ps500 since ive made my audition
    in jaben…first one when i tried ms1i, i like it very much….but when i
    try ps500…BOOMMM!!! this is the one that i need…
    to my ears, ps500 is just similar to ms1i but improve a lot on micro details and midrange….

    but here is the problem…my main genre is rock like paramore, daughtry, muse, and matchbox 20.

    do
    you think that alessandro ms2i will sound better for my taste?(i’ve
    never heard ms2i before)im just curious that if i made a right decision
    or not :D

    my setup is dacport lx….and which one between ps500 and ms2i will “CLICK” with dacport lx?

    • http://www.headfonia.com Mike

      Congrats on the purchase!

      I really can’t be sure if you’ll like the MS2i better. The bass hits lower and the Prat is better but it has less warmth and the midrange is not as full

      • Yongky

        so u think that ps500 has a lot more fun factor even for rock than ms2i?:D

        • http://www.headfonia.com Mike

          No I didn’t say that

          • Yongky

            hmm…ok, i got ur point of view about ms2i…
            would u say that ps500 is better suited with dacporrt lx since lx has a lack of bass and impact?

            • http://www.headfonia.com Mike

              The LX doesn’t have an amp and you can’t plug a headphone to it directly

              • Yongky

                what…??
                as im typing this, im listening to my ps500 + dacport lx + foobar.

                • http://www.headfonia.com Mike

                  Yes it shouldn’t be hooked up that way

                  • Yongky

                    a bit confusing bout that….as long as it didnt damaged the hp and sounds good…i dont think that as an issue for me :D
                    ok, so here it is, which one has a better micro details and imaging?ps500 or ms2i?

                    • http://www.headfonia.com Mike

                      Technicalities are roughly identical on both.