Triple Schiit: Asgard, Valhalla, and Lyr

Triple Schiit: Asgard, Valhalla, and Lyr

July 2, 2011 |  by  |  $100-$300, $300-$500, Desktop Amps, Featured  | 

By now everyone knows what the Schiit name is all about. Yes, as they have evolved almost overnight to be one of the hottest name in the industry, people have moved from making a fun of the name to talking about their gear in respect and enthusiasm. Whoever is responsible for the branding and marketing of Schiit definitely deserves an honorary degree from the Harvard Business School. Anyway, we may have missed the early wave of Schiit amplifier reviews, but thanks to Michael at Dontblameyourears.com and my good friend Andrew, we are proud to present our take on three of the Schiit amps: Asgard, Valhalla, and Lyr.

Some of you may know what those different Viking names mean, but for a brief recap, the Asgard is the first and lowest priced model: Class A, non inverting FET solid state headphone amplifier. The Valhalla is the midline, OTL (output transformer-less) vacuum tube model, while the Lyr is the hybrid, currently flagship model amp, boasting a solid bragging rights of 6W maximum output.

Build quality of the Schiit amps are quite flawless, and while they don’t ooze the same high-end finishing touches I see on Burson or Woo Audio amps, I’d still give a solid thumbs up for the build quality. All three Schiit amps are based on the same base chassis, with only minor variations in the top grille area to accommodate the tubes for the Valhalla and Lyr models. Volume knob, headphone jack, rear panel layout, everything is great. Now let’s move on to the sound evaluation.

SOUND AND COMPARISONS

Three models, Asgard, Valhalla, and Lyr. My love with amplifiers began with solid state models that most of the time offer better technicalities and impact than vacuum tube models. But after my exposure with the Woo Audio 6, the Hifiman EF-5, Pete Millett’s Starving Student, the Zana Deux, and the Manley amps, it’s probably safe to say that I’m now pretty much a tube guy. So, how strange it is when I found that my love with Schiit amps actually begins with the solid state Asgard amp, and even by the time I’ve finished writing this review, is still on the Asgard amp. Mike, you’ve probably been listening to too many tubes that you’re sick of their mellow warm sound. Well, guess what, I actually found the Asgard to be the smoothest and warmest sounding amp of the trio. Did I get a faulty Asgard? Is there anyone else out there that has done a triple Schiit comparison and found the opposite? I don’t know, but let me explain more.

So this is the general picture: the Asgard is the warmest and smoothest sounding of the three. The Valhalla actually had a clearer sound with more sparkle in the low treble. It had a more solid state-like clarity and sparkle, but it’s not exactly dry sounding. It actually reminds me a lot of the sparkly treble in the Grace m902 amplifier section, which is a chip-based solid state headphone amp (I know, it’s totally unrelated, chip amps and tube amps). But I definitely won’t describe the Valhalla as having the traditional “tubey” sound. The Lyr has a thick lower mid-upper bass area, which progresses to a fairly lean treble section. Though the Lyr and the Valhalla are the two pricier model, but the Asgard is actually smoother overall , and likewise the tonal balance was more linear. In short, I actually find my my ears to prefer the Asgard first, Valhalla second, and Lyr last. Have my ears gone wrong? Have I gotten allergic to expensive amps? Is there a conspiracy theory behind this article?

Well, one thing for sure is that your wallet is going to love me for this. And if your wallet loves me, then you’ll probably go back to check out my future reviews. And that’s all good. But in all seriousness, I just unplugged the input cable from the Lyr, plugged it back to the Asgard, and find that my ears still agree to what I typed on the previous paragraph. The Asgard had a more linear frequency balance without being flat or boring or sterile or all that nasty stuff. As for the soundstage, the single ended, zero feedback, all FET design of the Asgard gives me a wider and deeper soundstage than what I heard on the Lyr (actually the Valhalla as well). The Asgard is simply amazing! I was so excited with the Asgard that I actually pitched it against the Burson. Yes, the flagship amplifier of the nice guys at Burson who happens to be the site sponsor of Headfonia. Well, not quite up there, the Asgard is quite two steps below the Burson’s resolution, detail, articulation, and most importantly PRaT. But still, this is one of the nicest $300 solid state headphone amps I’ve ever auditioned, even more than the now discontinued Gilmore Lite amp from HeadAmp. Oh, wait, did I type $300? I must have made a mistake because the Asgard actually sells for $249. I can hear your wallet screaming in ecstasy already.

Yep, that’s right, the Asgard is the real Schiit!

Okay, let’s move on to the Valhalla. It’s a nice amp, but it just happens that I am less excited about the Valhalla than I am with the Asgard. But this is how the Valhalla sound. In all fairness, you get a better level of technicalities on the Valhalla than you do on the Asgard. One, things sound clearer on the Asgard. Two, you get more sparkle, more shimmer on the treble. And no, it’s not the annoying treble kind either. Remember guys, this is a tube amp, and treble always behaves well on full-tube amps. Soundstage is actually wider and deeper on the Asgard, but instrument separation is clearer on the Valhalla (though at the end I’d still pick the Asgard’s overall soundstage performance as the better one). While the Valhalla can’t be said to lack mid or bass, the voicing is actually more top-down (frequency curve wise) rather than bottom-up or mid-centric. Hence, I don’t find myself hearing as much mid and low body as I would’ve liked. I suppose this is going to be the better amp for thick low headphones like the Sennheiser HD650. But at the moment, with the Sennheiser HD800, I do like the Asgard better. Also, I do think that the Asgard is overall still smoother, top to bottom than the Valhalla is.

Next up is the Lyr amp. This 6 Watts maximum output amp indeed does a good job of driving the Hifiman HE-6, even more than Hifiman’s own EF-5 amplifier, but I’d still say that the HE-6 runs best out of speaker amps. With the Lyr, you get a sound that is warmer on the mids and lows than the Valhalla, and at the same time regaining the wider and deeper soundstage that you get with the Asgard (It’s still not quite as deep as the Asgard, but pretty close). You get more treble than the Valhalla, and definitely more than the Asgard, but the treble actually loses some body and is dryer than what you hear on the Valhalla or the Asgard. It doesn’t has a nice sparkle like the Valhalla’s, and it’s is not as smooth as the Asgard’s. I have to admit that when moving to the Lyr, I thoroughly enjoy the additional body in the upper-mid bass that I didn’t hear on the Valhalla. It gives the music a more proper weight, and although the body doesn’t extend to the lower bass, still I thoroughly enjoy that bump. So in one hand I enjoy the Lyr more than the Valhalla because of the lower end body. On the other hand, the leaner treble is also dryer sounding, and on this section I very much prefer the Valhalla’s treble. The lean treble, paired with the bump in the bass also gives the Lyr a slight incoherence in the sound. While as a whole the Lyr and Valhalla are quite fine sounding, I ended up going back to the Asgard as it has the smoothest sound from top to bottom, without lacking any mid and low body or being incoherent anywhere in the sound.

When someone comes up to me and asks me for a recommendation on the Schiit amps, this is how I’m going to give the recommendation:

  • Lyr: get it if you need to drive hard to drive Orthos.
  • Valhalla: get it if you find your headphone leaning too much to the dark side and you need a brighter amp to balance things out.
  • Asgard: the best all rounder and the one that I’d recommend primarily.
BOTTOM LINE

In all fairness, I truly think that Schiit has done an excellent job of producing the these three models and I expect to see more good amps from them in the future. I actually was quite surprised to find myself ending up with so much love with the Asgard. From what I’ve gathered, people’s impression of the Asgard is just that “it’s a pretty decent entry level amp”. So when got the Schiit amps, I started listening with the Asgard since I expected it to be the least impressive of the three. I was actually so impressed by the Asgard then that I immediately tweeted my enthusiasm on Twitter. When I moved up to the Valhalla, I expected to be blown away, since OTL tube amps have that legendary buzz around them for producing the cleanest and clearest sound around. The Valhalla definitely offer more in terms of sparkle and technicalities, but I still choose the Asgard as my favorite. When I listened to the Lyr, my impressions were quite mixed, as I’ve written above. It’s not a bad amp, and it gives the best technicalities, but it just didn’t hold a coherent tone in the sound. Though all three amps are good amps, I think that the Asgard hold a special spot in the comparison not only because of its $249 price tag (hence best value for dollar), but it also happens to have the smoothest and most coherent overall sound, while hitting the bass and mids areas properly and even adding a superior soundstage to the mix.

Front panel identical on all three models. Valhalla not in the picture.

 

The back panel is also pretty identical for all three amps. This is the Valhalla's.

 

On the LYR you get a pair of preamp out which the Asgard and Valhalla doesn't have.

APPLICATION NOTES

The voltage swing of the Asgard is rated at 20V p-p, the Valhalla at 30V p-p, and the Lyr at 40V p-p. The higher the voltage swing is, the louder you can drive your headphones to.

I find that the Asgard is enough to drive the 300 Ohm HD800 to ear damaging levels. It actually can drive the Hifiman HE-6 to decent volume levels (and I think the synergy is better than the Lyr too, more body on the mids and lows, and treble quantity is just right), though it starts to have mild distortions on some passages on very loud volume levels. It should be a great amp for the HE-500, but I don’t have the HE-500 around with me at the moment. With a gain rating of 5, I also find the Asgard to be a great pairing with the JHAudio JH5Pro. Very small volume imbalance at low volume levels, and with a listening volume at 9 O’clock (and with the CEntrance DACmini, which is a fairly hot source), I get enough levels to control the volume. The ALPS blue pot is also very smooth through the turns. I also found the voicing to be very ideal between the Asgard and JH5Pro. I also find the Asgard to be the ideal amp for headphones that can use more body on the lower mids and lows, in this case being the Sennheiser HD598 and HD800.

I find the Valhalla to be excellent for headphones that can use a more lively treble (especially low treble-upper mid) for a more engaging vocal. It’s my favorite amp on the bunch for the Audio Technica M-50 and the Sony Z700, both of which really shines with a touch more sparkle on the treble from the Valhalla. Though having a gain rating of 8, my listening volume with the JH5Pro is actually at 10 O’clock, which is confusing since it’s higher than what I listen to the Asgard on (likewise on the HE-6 I can’t get as high levels as I do with the Valhalla). One explanation is the gain on the tubes, which is not always consistent from one tube to the next. Like the Asgard, the ALPS pot is very smooth and only suffers from a very mild imbalance at low volume. Control range with the JH5Pro is even better than the Asgard as the listening volume is at 10 O’clock. The Valhalla is an OTL design, and OTL designs are known for their inability to supply high levels of current, and so I wouldn’t recommend pairing the Valhalla with the big orthodynamic headphones like the Hifiman HE-6.

The Lyr has a gain of 10 and my first concern was how it would do with IEMs, especially sensitive ones like the JH5Pro. Although I can hear some slight noise on the Asgard and Valhalla at zero volume, it was not that annoying and I can easily ignore them. With the Lyr, however, the noise at zero volume is quite loud and noticeable. My listening volume is somewhere between 7.30 to 8.00 o’clock on the knob, and so the range for control is almost non existant. Not to mention the volume imbalance on the same ALPS pot, which was quite mild on the other two amps, becomes a much bigger issue on the Lyr. Definitely I don’t recommend the Lyr for IEM listening unless you’re using something very inefficient like the Etymotics ER4. When it comes to hard to drive orthos, the Lyr does the job much better than the other two amps. I’m not scared to turn up the volume for fear of distortion, and with the HE-6, things get really loud at 2 O’clock so there is plenty of headroom. The voicing is not the most ideal though, and as I’ve mentioned, I do prefer the voicing of the Asgard for the Hifiman headphones. I would imagine the Lyr to be a better pairing for the LCD-2 headphones as it helps adds treble presence.

- UPDATE -

I also found that the Asgard is a very nice amp for both the Hifiman HE-500 and the Hifiman HE-4 headphones, though not powerful enough for the HE-6.

GEARS USED FOR REVIEW
  • Headphones: Sennheiser HD800, HD598, Hifiman HE-6, HE-500, Sony MDR V-700, Audio Technica M-50, JH5Pro.
  • Source: CEntrance DACmini, HRT Music Streamer II+, Meier StageDac.
AVAILABILITY
  • If you are based in Indonesia, you can get the Schiit amps at Dontblameyourears.com.
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  • Otherwise you can order directly from Schiit.

  • Andromeda

    Still not sure if I want to purchase a Lyr for use with my HE-500.  I feel like it is overkill but am just not sure if its the best amplifier for up to $450 or so for the Hifiman. ;

  • Dao

    Hey mike, Have you tried bitfrost + asgard on the thunderpants and the magnum v4. Are they a good fit together?

    • http://www.headfonia.com Mike

      No, I’ve only tried the Asgard.

  • Aizad Shafeez

    Hi Mike, what the difference between asgard+hrt streamer II vs centrance dacport

    • http://www.headfonia.com Mike

      You’ll get a bigger sound with the Asgard + HRT MS2, mostly due to the amp. 

      • Aizad Shafeez

        I see, thnx for the reply, i just want to know because for 400 i can get one of those. Although i know that price didnt really reflect the performance, i just want to know which one is the better buy.=), personally which one do you think will have better buy?(sorry not good in english)

        • http://www.headfonia.com Mike

          Well I think one of the strong selling point for the DACport is the simple and compact unit. Plug in the USB to a computer, and the headphone at the other output and you’re done. If you don’t need that portability then I would go with the Asgard. 

          • Aizad Shafeez

            mostly i love full size which means dont need portability..=)..thnx for the opinion Mike

  • http://www.facebook.com/meltdown117 Henry Lim

    Hello Mike,
    What should I get if I currently have the HD650 but want to upgrade later to HD700 or HD800?

  • Fluke_man

    Mike, have you tried the maverick audio tubemagic a1? If so, how does it compare to the asgard?

    Thanks

    • http://www.headfonia.com Mike

      Hi,
      Sorry I haven’t.

  • swede92

    Is asgard a SS amp? and not an tube amp? I dont want to mess with replacing tubes..and does it fit well with HD 600?

    • http://www.headfonia.com Mike

      Yes it’s an SS, and yes it works well with the HD600.

      • swede92

        Thanks Mike

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_L6P6GUPDQBQQCVN3GRLYOBUOAE JeremyL

    hey mike! long time lurker, first time poster.  I love your reviews and site btw!  your review on the yulong u100 was the reason i picked one up :)

    unfortunately paired with my fischer fa-011′s the yulong is too sibilant for my taste. what do you think about using the Asgard with the U100 as a DAC?   would i notice any difference?

    • http://www.headfonia.com Mike

      Hi Jeremy,
      That’s a bit tricky. Have you already got the Asgard? The U100 is a relatively bright sounding DAC/Amp and I’m not surprised you find it to be too sibilant. I would try to go with a much warmer set up like an HRT MS2 and Asgard amp, but I’m afraid that may be a little too much for your budget.
      Maybe give the Fiio E10 a try? It’s a warmer and darker sounding DAC/Amp.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_L6P6GUPDQBQQCVN3GRLYOBUOAE JeremyL

         no i don’t.  just weighing my options, but that HRT + asgard does sound very tempting though.  i think i might just get it the combo.  I don’t mind spending the extra money

        What are your thoughts on the E17 as a DAC + asgard? 

        • http://www.headfonia.com Mike

          Alright yea. On the E17 + Asgard, I don’t see why you would do that. If you’re not going to use the E17′s amp, the HRT MS2 is a superior DAC, and the E17 doesn’t come with a dedicated line out. 

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_L6P6GUPDQBQQCVN3GRLYOBUOAE JeremyL

             ah isee cool man.  thanks for the info mike :)   gonna go with the HRT then

            • http://www.headfonia.com Mike

              Alright, Jeremy.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Victor-Yu/517350603 Victor Yu

    Hi Mike, when you say the Asgard is warm, do it warm like a tube amp? Do you think it will match well with ESW9, W3000ANV and AD1000PRM?

    • http://www.headfonia.com Mike

      Victor,
      It’s warm, but being a solid state the sound is not the same as a tube amp.
      It’s quite an all rounder amp. I believe it’ll work well for the ESW9 and the AD1000PRM, but I haven’t listened to the W3000ANV so I’m not so sure.

  • Antonio Marqués

    I have HD650 and like dark/warm sound with classical/jazz/blues / slow music. In search of amp+dac, I still tend to  the Asgard and compensate a bit with Dacport LX instead of probably too warm or boring Asgard+HRT. Do you think that combination would work or still getting Valhalla and HRT would do better ? Tnx and keep on with great work&web. 

    • http://www.headfonia.com Mike

      I would lean toward the Dacport + Asgard combo yes.

      • Antonio Marqués

        … and if I stretch my budget, would you like 650s better with  GS Solo II or Ultralinear  than with Asgard ? Tnx!

        • http://www.headfonia.com Mike

          Quality wise the GS Solo is more refined than the Asgard, but sound signature wise, it’s a bit too mellow for a HD650 pairing for me (personally).
          At that budget I would either go with the WooAudio 6 or the Burson HA160, but some people like the HD650 + Solo combination.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=692862021 Nick Tam

    Hmm so would the HD600 or even the HE-300 be a better pairing than the HD650 with the Asgard or is it a matter of preference? I’m leaning towards the HD650 for the wider soundstage and darker presentation over the HD600 but you mentioned that the HD650 is better off with the Valhalla, but I would still prefer the Asgard for complete solid state. From a pricing standpoint the HD600 is $280, HD650 for $320 and the HE-300 for $330 respectively in my area and this is kinda putting me in a dilemma for price/performance. I listen to a wide range of music but I would definitely like the 3D presentation everyone loathes the HD650 for over neutrality of the HD600. Would appreciate your advice again Mike! Thx~

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=692862021 Nick Tam

       Nevermind. It seems that you’ve answered this question already in the Q&A Section

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michael-Julius/1681425207 Michael Julius

    Hey Mike, is there any chance you can test out the new Philips Fidelio L1 with a Fiio E10 and the Asgard ( if you still have all three pieces of gear ).  I’d like to know your thoughts on the setup, specifically how well it plays out in the sound stage department.  Since the L1 is so easy to drive, do you think the Asgard sound stage will be an audible and noticeably larger improvement over just the E10?  My Fiio E10 drives the L1 very well, not sure if anymore could even be squeezed from it.  I plan to get the new Sony MA900, which is said to have an immense sound stage and is very easy to drive as well, I’d like to plan ahead for that.  

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Kevin-Joric-Apolonio/100000284842919 Kevin Joric Apolonio

    Hey there, first time commenting here. Just dropped by to say how much I loved the review, and that I agree that whoever helped market the Schiit line deserves an honorary degree . Honestly, I get a few laughs out every time I visit their site (I mean, even the FAQ section is funny; how’s THAT possible?)

    And also *there’s always a catch*, which of the three would you say pairs best with AKG’s K242? I’m guessing the Valhalla myself, since the cans lack a bit in the treble department. I’m unable to audition the amps for myself as I’m from Asia, and I’ve yet to find anyone selling Schiit amps. 

    Thanks in advance.

    • http://www.headfonia.com Mike

      Hi Kevin,
      I’m quite familiar with the HD242. I think if you can afford the extra budget, something like the WA6 would be a better pairing than the Valhalla.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/6TBIWJIHVF3HQSXTFVPTPZM6DM C.I

    HI Mike,

    Great website and very informative.  I would like to ask for your suggestions for a good DAC to pair with the Schiit Asgard??  My current headphones are the Senn HD 600 and AKG K550.   I am coming from a Fiio E9/E7 combo.

    Thank you very much!!  All the best!

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/6TBIWJIHVF3HQSXTFVPTPZM6DM C.I

       PS:  connecting to an Ipod Classic.

    • http://www.headfonia.com Mike

      Hi C.I,
      Glad you find the website useful. I’ve made a lot of recommendations for the HRT MS2 with the Asgard. It’s a $149 DAC and so far the best under $200.

  • Danny Tutil

    Hey Mike,

    What do you think of the Lyr + Hd800?

    • http://www.headfonia.com Mike

      Nah, I’d rather pair it with the Bottlehead Crack.

      • Danny Tutil

        Is it too much power? What is the best amp to add more “bass” to the HD800?

        • http://www.headfonia.com Mike

          No, not the power. I wouldn’t recommend getting an amp to boost the bass on the HD800, it really is not that kind of a headphone. 

          Try something like the Eddie Current Zana Deux for the HD800. It’s a brilliant pairing, though it won’t add bass. 

          • Danny Tutil

            How about the overall PRaT? I know HD800 is very fast and dynamic but I guess it misses the midbass impact for house, electronic music.. But I do love it for classical and soundtrack!

          • http://www.headfonia.com Mike

            Yea, mainly I don’t think that the HD800 is the right headphone for house and electronic. But if you want to improve mid bass impact you can try the Burson HA-160/D/DS amps they help tremendously with impact without creating a mid bass hump. 

  • Carlo Lee

    Hey mike, 

    You mentioned that the Burson HA-160 would be a good pairing for the HD600 for punchier bass. how would the asgard compare to the burson in that department? I generally listen to a lot of classic, progressive and alt rock. 

    • http://www.headfonia.com Mike

      Carlo,
      The Asgard is okay, good bass but not comparable to the Burson.

  • Bookaboo

    Hi mike,
    I’m thinking of getting a tube amp for use with the ms pro and hd650. Would the Valhalla be a good pairing or do you think that the Asgard, even though it is solid state, would serve these two headphones better overall?

    • http://www.headfonia.com Mike

      Hi,
      Try the Bottlehead Crack. It’s very good for the HD650 and the MS Pro as well.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Windsor-McGilvray/728850109 Windsor McGilvray

    Hey Mike - 

    I hope you are well. :)

    I’m really enjoying the Lavry DA10/HD 800 combo with all sorts of recordings and am thinking about getting a Schiit Asgard as a standalone amp  - do you think that’ll make much difference to the sound I’m hearing or will it just be a miniscule change?

    I’ve also heard good things about the Bottlehead Crack + Speedball.

    • http://www.headfonia.com Mike

      Windsor,
      I suggest you give the Crack a try. Mine doesn’t have the Speedball and it’s already very good for the HD800. The Crack is excellent with the HD600/650/800, far more than the Asgard.

      • Trent_D

         I might just have to save up for one of those as well as I intended to pair the amp with the HD600.  I have no DIY experience, but 430 still isn’t that bad.  With an emphasis on classical music, a HD600 and a Crack, what would be a good DAC pairing? 

        • http://www.headfonia.com Mike

          Well the usual DAC recommendations are good. But seriously the Crack is a killer, even without having tried the Speedball.
          http://www.headfonia.com/source-recommendations/

          • Trent_D

             Make sure you have someone trained in first aid stand by when you try it with the speedball.  You can never be too careful.

          • Trent_D

             Suppose I would pair the crack and the HD800 with the KingRex UD384/Upower.  Would that sound as good as I think it might?

            • http://www.headfonia.com Mike

              Exactly the set up I have! Brilliant!

          • Trent_D

             I actually meant to say hd600 as that is what I would be starting with, but who knows, I might be rich enough one day to afford a flagship.

            • http://www.headfonia.com Mike

              The statement applies with the HD600 as well, Trent. :)

              Don’t worry about the HD800. The 600 is awesome.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1140027703 Dave Scott

    Just picked up a Schitt Bifrost DAC & Asgard combo — have to admit re the Asgard I was “tempted” by the review here — and when I demo’d it against the Valhalla I had to agree the Asgard sounder “nicer”.

    Just waiting on a new HD 600 – which I understand pairs pretty well with the Asgard.

    • http://www.headfonia.com Mike

      Congrats for the purchase, Dave.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1140027703 Dave Scott

        Mike – the site is good & the reviews help a lot with the decision making … always enjoy reading the reviews here.

        • http://www.headfonia.com Mike

          Thanks Dave, glad you find the site useful.

  • jeremy Wu

    Mike, have you heard the hd650 with the asgard? I know that the hd600 seems to pair well with it, but i’ve heard that the valhalla is the better amp for 650s. However, the valhalla also is more expensive than the asgard. Thanks in advance.

    • Trent_D

      Try the Bottlehead Crack. It’s all anyone can talk about these days with the Senn 600/650.

      • http://www.headfonia.com Mike

        Jeremy, Trent is right. Bottlehead Crack.

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=692862021 Nick Tam

          Funny how I was stuck in this debate in my own mind awhile back as well… I think the review for the Schiit is pretty explanatory, and yes even head-fi agrees that the Asgard goes with the 600 and the Valhalla with the 650 respectively. They’re good amps for the Senns simply because they were built with them in mind but, the Crack pretty dusts them aside in terms of technicalities wise. Plus, tube rolling is made simple with the Crack. Need more bass for the 600? Need more treble with the 650? Just roll away. Bearing in mind that the Valhalla is also a tube amp abeit the high cost and a more solid state sound. Unless you can’t be bothered or are absolutely terrified at the process of killing yourself while building the Crack, you can’t go wrong with it.

          • jeremy Wu

            I really don’t want to put the crack together though, as i have no experience with a soldering iron. So other than the crack, would the asgard/valhalla be a good choice? Or are there other amps that pair better with the hd650 than it. I’ve heard good things about the matrix m-stage, fiio e9, and the jds labs o2.

            • http://www.headfonia.com Mike

              Jeremy,
              You can ask Bottlehead to assemble the Crack for an extra fee.

              I believe at the moment this is the best amp for the HD650 under $1k

            • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=692862021 Nick Tam

              Well from your perspective I’m guessing you’re just looking for the “best amp” for the HD650 but honestly at the end of the day it’s your own personal preference. Because amps like the M-Stage, Asgard, Valhalla, GS Solo SRGII, Burson HA-160D were all built with the HD600/650 in mind. However, they are all so different in terms of sound and most of all the technicalities. It all boils down to the sound that you like. For one, if you like tubes on a budget, the Vahalla is the isn’t a bad tube amplifier but Mike would tell you that the Solo may sound more tubey. I would get a Vahalla say if I’m more into female vocals. If you listen to faster pace music, the Burson would do the job. If you’re low on a budget and like a solid state amp, the Asgard is awesome and is more neutral sounding, and the M-Stage would be a warmer counterpart for it. If you absolutely want technicalities, then the WA6 would almost be your best choice for a tube amp. And lastly, there’s the counterpart to the WA6 which is the Bottlehead Crack. It’s fun, it’s tubey, and has awesome width and depth to the music. And technically, there’s no absolutely “best” amp amongst all of those. (You can always build your own Beta22 *sarcasm*). It all boils down to what the “best” is from the perspective of your own wallet =P

              And well the Fiio E9 doesn’t compete in this category at all. It’s just a mess of OPAMPs. The O2 is a porta amp but I would honestly say it won’t sound good with the 650. An amp built with objective sound in mind won’t sound good with the 650 which leans towards musical and warmth. Quote L. “I really don’t find the Senns to pair well with the O2.”

              Hope this helps~

              Sincerely,
              From the guy that first decided that he wanted an Asgard, then a Burson, then the GS Solo, then the WA3, then the WA6 but finally settled with the Crack.

              • http://www.headfonia.com Mike

                That’s a really good post, Nick.

                So the Crack, you’ve finished building it?

                • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=692862021 Nick Tam

                  Had it for a week now after 5 days worth of building (20% time building the amp, 10% trying to figure out what gone wrong, 70% of that time sourcing and waiting for replacement components. I blew those tiny LEDs while soldering and one of the resistors for missing a solder joint, who could have thought that cheapo tiny little LED was that hard to get your hands on???). Anyways, it was worth it. At least I’ve got my Crack addiction, and with the speedball, the sound really is mindblowing. It just sounds so clean even when paired with the MS2+ and the HD650. Playing something like jazz really showcases it’s impact; it’s weighty, it’s not boomy, it’s refined and clean sounding. And damn the crack is powerful… I could never go above 9o’clock, it really does, drive well. Still looking for a TS5998 though, can’t quite believe they go for $75 in HK stores, just ridiculous!

                  Time to put this up in the amp recommendation section too

  • http://www.headfonia.com Mike

    Yark,
    I haven’t tried these amps with the K701, sorry.

  • http://www.facebook.com/eyal1983 Eyal Sade

    how’s the Asgard sound .VS. the O2 ?

    • http://www.headfonia.com/ L.

      I think we should let someone else answer that :)

      • http://www.facebook.com/eyal1983 Eyal Sade

        Sorry :P

        • Trent_D

          Check out the third page of the o2 review. There is a brief comparison between the two. Briefly, the o2 is a bit cleaner, but the asgard has better impact and an overall bigger sound (advantage asgard). But yeah, some people seem to get angry when Mike and L talk about the o2.

    • http://www.headfonia.com Mike

      O2: Cleaner
      Asgard: fuller mids, better bass impact.

  • http://www.facebook.com/eyal1983 Eyal Sade

    Does the Asgard has a better “sound-quality” for the HE-500 , than the NFB-12 ?

    • http://www.headfonia.com Mike

      I can’t remember having tried the NFB-12 with the HE-500, sorry.

  • http://www.facebook.com/chmarques1 Caio Henrique Gonçalves Marque

    did you try the lyr with the lcd 2 ?

  • Frederic 77

    Hi there, thanks for all the information. Just one question: Am I right, that the Asgard will not be powerfull enough to drive a DT 880 (600 Ohm)? I’m searching for a good amp for these in the price category like the Asgard. And by the way, I’m a music producer (house and electronic), so I’m searching for clean linear sound as much as possible in this price range.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=542815355 John Clare

    Here’s an interesting question, and I know this is an apples to oranges comparison, but here it is: how would you compare the Asgard to ALO’s National? Thanks!

    • Trent_D

      I asked this question some time ago (I have no idea where it is buried so I can’t point you to it), but I believe Mike’s answer was that they Asgard gets the slight edge in technicalities, but he preferred the darker tonality of the National.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=542815355 John Clare

        Awesome, thanks Trent.

      • http://www.headfonia.com Mike

        What Trent said.

  • Aux

    I’m looking at one of these amps for use with an HE-500 and HD 650. I’m currently using a Asus Xonar Essence STX as a DAC. I noted in your update that you mentioned that the Asgard pairs well with the HE-500. I’m trying to decide between the Asgard, Lyr (for the extra guts to power the orthos plus some tube rolling), and the Audio GD Compass 2 (this includes the ES9018 DAC as well!) which appears to have more power than the Asgard but less that the Lyr. Thoughts?

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