This is a double author review. Normal text is Lieven, italics are Mike. Disclaimer: Mike’s DT770 Anniversary Edition was a loaner sample from Jaben Indonesia. Lieven got his free sample from Beyerdynamic directly.
What is Beyerdynamic up to lately? Not only have they delivered the great T70 and Custom One Pro lately, just to name a few, but they’re back already with an all-black Limited Edition 32Ohm DT770 PRO 88 to celebrate Beyerdynamic’s 88 birthday! I received a free sample of the L.E. DT770 88 from the Heilbronn based company directly. /Lieven
I envy Lieven for getting to keep the Beyerdynamic DT770 AE sample. I only got to spend roughly a period of one week or so as I borrowed the LE from the local Jaben. I was so impressed with the LE when I auditioned it on the store and so I asked them if I can borrow the demo unit for a review. Over the period of that one week, I grew to love the DT770 LE very much.
Beyerdynamics, you all know I’m not a big fan.. but the Limited Edition DT770 and the COP are two recent releases from Beyerdynamic that I think is quite different from the rest of the family. First one is the Beyer Custom One Pro. The bass a little boomy, but I think Beyer has finally succeeded in creating a fun sounding headphone with the COP. I won’t say that the COP was influenced by the HD650, but it definitely has a darker, fuller low sound than the usual Beyer family is known for. Unlike the COP, the DT770 Limited Edition is not a totally new product, instead it’s a spin off of the popular DT770 line up. The Limited Edition DT770 is still based on a standard non-tesla Beyerdynamic driver. But they’ve executed it so well, I’d take this headphone anyday over the T70 or T70p. It doesn’t have the technicalities of the T1 or T5p (and I don’t expect it would), but outside from the two flagships, this model is, in my opinion, the third best Beyerdynamic model on their entire line up right now (I’ve yet to listen to the T90, but the T70 was — I’d rather be polite). /Mike
The Limited Edition Model
The DT770 LE will only be produced in 2012 in Germany and only 4000 units will be made in total, making it Limited but nut THAT limited you will hardly ever see one. Mike was talking about how basic the box and accessories are for a Limited Edition but there actually is a reason behind this, and I quote Beyerdynamic:
The box is based on the 1960’s Beyerdynamic boxes. They were just like this one, we never had a wooden box, therefore we didn’t make one for this limited edition either. The idea was to make this limited edition headphone and present it in a historic looking box. Even the graphic design was based on the 1960’s graphic design.
So there you have it. It’s more of a trip down memory lane for Beyerdynamic and that’s the reason you’re not getting any accessories (besides the ¼ plug) even though I’m sure a lot of people expect a bit more from a LE. I actually like the LE plates on the ear cups, although the 88 printing could have been a bit more visible.
This version of the DT770 (5 – 35.000 Hz) comes equipped with a softskin headband and pads, and while The DT770 in general is famous with its velour pads, Beyer chose to use these on the LE and of course it has an impact on the sound. Comfort wise this LE DT770 with its 270gr. does pretty good, it’s no Sennheiser HD700 but I would give it at least 7.5 out of 10 for comfort (where the Senn is 10). Enough about the looks already, let’s move on! /Lieven
Usually you expect extras for a Limited Edition headphone, something fancier and extra accessories. Nothing like that with the DT770 LE. Instead, as Lieven already mentioned, it’s a real trip down memory lane. Not a big deal, especially after hearing Beyer’s explanation for it. After all, it’s the sound we’re concerned about, not fancy boxes. /Mike
Sound Impressions
The special thing about the anniversary DT770 is that it’s more than a simple tweak. The pleather pads bring down the tonality to make it darker than the standard DT770. The bass is a little boomy, unfortunately, where the standard DT770 (80Ω and 250Ω) has a better control though with a much leaner body. Overlooking the boomier bass, what really gets me hooked is the zero-grain sound and the much improved soundstage depth. The DT770 and DT880 have always been relatively grainy, and it’s not until the Tesla T1 where I start to hear a grain-free Beyer. The DT770-anniversary has a zero-grain sound that reminds me of the big brother the T5p and this improvement by itself is worth having the special Limited Edition tag.
The soundstage depth improvement makes the Limited Edition a much more three dimensional headphone than the standard DT770, or even the DT880 and DT990. Though you get a more airy sound with the standard DT770 or DT880, mainly due to the use of velour pads, but they simply sound flat once you hear the anniversary DT770. The standard DT770 is one of the headphones with serious detail levels, so I really didn’t expect an improvement on this area. How surprising, the AE managed to pass the detail level significantly and it’s so much more effortless in producing those details (with less treble quantity too). This may not be very evident on the average pop-rock recording, but play a well recorded Jazz or Classical piece and you don’t really have to listen hard to spot the difference. Yet most of all, what strikes me as extremely awesome is how the anniversary does all these details while being smooth and effortless.
Lastly there is no more dry sounding, harsh treble of the standard DT770/DT880s. The anniversary DT770 is very smooth on the treble with excellent extension. The midrange is fuller, though on some recordings the more forward upper mids does get more aggressive than on the standard edition. On the average recordings however I think the LE is more pleasing due to the better vocal presence. Again, overlooking the slightly boomy bass of the Limited Edition, this has got to be one of the best Beyerdynamic headphones around. While models like the T1 and the T5p are technically superior, for some reason I am hooked more to the sound of the anniversary DT770 than the two flagship teslas. Compared to the T70, I don’t think there is a comparison. The T70 is a more precise headphone, but it sounds so metallic and clinical, I really wouldn’t use it for music listening.
What I find puzzling is that Beyerdynamic doesn’t say anything about the sound quality improvements compared to the standard version. Did all those sound improvements happen by accident? Probably not, but usually sound quality improvements would be the first thing a manufacturer boast about. /Mike
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Andre
Excellent review guys! I love the 770/80’s but it sounds like they finally made the necessary changes to the LE so great, time to start looking for the 32’s 🙂 I was hoping for a more portable pair and I wasn’t a fan of the COP’s so this is exactly what I was hoping for. Doesn’t look like they are available here in the states yet but please believe I will have my eye on them the second they are.
L.
It really is excellent. They aren’t available yet in the States as far as I know, even here in Europe they’re still very new.
Dennis
I was considering the k550, but this sounds like a serious contender! I get the impression that i shouldn’t use it with my e10 (on low gain) though?
L.
It’s more musical as the K550. And no, I wouldn’t recommend the E10 for this headphone, it doesn’t do it any good.
Mike
Yes more musical than the K550.
L.
Like Mike, I haven’t used the HD650 since I got these headphones. I do feel guilty 🙂
Zohar Lee
any idea how these pair with an RSA P-51?
Mike
Sorry I didn’t have the P-51 to try it with. Power wise the P-51 should suffice though.
Zohar Lee
Thank Mike that’s great to hear
Julius
Color me interested. What a great review! I only recently sold off my Luke Skybeyer DT-770 32 ohm Mod ( A DT-770 with wood cups ). Naturally, I am drooling over this new model now.
L.
I’m sure it’ll be available in the US soon
Mike
Thanks, donunus!
L.
Thanks man!
L.
Thanks H Man!
I still have the COP and the treble and mids do are better. the ids are more forward and the treble is spicier. It’s not hot. Overall as said, there is way more detail and clarity, more an audiophile sound but still warm and bassy. excellent combo!
grizley
Thanks for this nice review. They’re definitely on my wish-list. I guess not for too long;)
Just quickly coming back to the comparison with AKG K550, which I own and am/was very happy with. Would you consider DT770 LE in a way “simply better” than K550 or rather “complementary”? I got K550 and was extremely happy with the clarity and soundstage that they offer but only until recently when I became a happy owner of “dark” HD650 which just sounds so much more natural and pleasant to me, especially with vocal or guitar… I still like K550 a lot, but with time I find more and more difficult to motivate myself to listen to them, as HD650 sounds so good with (bit surprisingly) almost any genre of music… But at the same time HD650 tends to be bit “slow” and merciless with some of the lower-quality recordings. Do I get it right, that DT770 LE would be something in between, i.e. dealing better with lower quality recordings, with better PRaT than HD650, but at the same time not so “sterile” as K550 sounds to me? All the headphones driven from Beresford’s Caiman DAC/HeadAmp.
L.
You said it right, it’s in between both! It’s a faster HD650 etc. More musical as K550, etc. I think it’s the perfect headphone if you like a bit of both.
grizley
Thanks L. for the recommendation. I think it will definitely end up in my small collection 🙂
breizh
Hi Lieven/Mike,
could you tell us about sound leaking, in comparison with the AKG K550 especially ?
thanks a lot
L.
There’s no sound leaking out that’s for sure. There do is some sound leaking in, you’re not 100% closed of from the outside world but on several occasion people do were standing behind me in my office without having noticed they knocked and came in. I can’t relate to the 550, Mike will reply in a few days when he’s back online
breizh
ok, thanks a lot Lieven !
Mike
I didn’t really do a sound leak-in comparison with the K550 but I would guess roughly similar depending on the fit on your head too, I guess.
breizh
ok Mike,
Actually i finally received my K550 this afternoon !
i can’t wait to try it with my asgard + hrt II+ combo, which is a wonderful combination for my DT880
In fact, in the last 2 years i bought the yulong U100, then the asgard + hrt, following your reviews ! and i enjoy it very much every day !
thanks again
richard
Mike
Good to hear that, Richard!
I’m excited when people enjoy their music!
L.
Yes, they are better in this LE DT770PRO 88 as in the COP
H Man
Thanks Lieven. I really enjoyed this 2 way review with yourself and Mike. Would like to see more in the future like this. Thanks! 🙂
L.
We like it too but it’s not very easy getting double review samples. 🙂
SouthSound
Mike/Lieven, can you guys comment a little more on how the midrange is positioned? I’ve never heard a Beyer before, but I’ve read enough reviews to gather the original 770 has a u-/v-shaped response. Is the 770 AE’s midrange more in line with the treble and bass? Is this still a bass canon or something more balanced that can shine with vocals and other music that requires accurate midrange presence? Also, have you guys swapped pads & heard the AE with the velour, thoughts?
Thanks for your time..
L.
There’s no real V shape in this Beyer, that’s one thing it makes it special. the mids are full and upfront in perfect harmony with the lows and highs. It still is pretty “bassy” but that’s in the DT770s nature, in Mike’s part of the review he does talk about the bass in detail. We didn’t swap pads as this is specially chosen for the AE, it’s part of the sound change
SouthSound
Thanks, Lieven.. I went ahead and pre-ordered from B&H. Looking forward to hearing my first Beyers when these arrive. A sales rep from another online store said these should hit US shores in late November/early December.
L.
The wait must kill you 😉 Let us know what you think when you get them!
SouthSound
Indeed.. your glowing review doesn’t help ease my impatience, either. 🙂
As another poster requested above, if you could provide some brief comparisons to the HD600, it would be much appreciated.
David
Hi Mike, you’ve mentioned the online price is between $200~250. May I know which online store are you referring to? I’m really interested in buying one.
Thank you.
L.
I think I wrote that. It depends on the continent you are in. Just google for it and you get lots of Us and UK shops. They’re not even out in the US yet btw. Cheapest I found them for was 143€ in Holland
John Clare
Any ideas when these will show up in the US? 2012 is almost over…
L.
I figured they were available already
John Clare
Still backordered on B&H (they are listed as a pre-order).
L.
I’m afraid we europeans will have bought them all by then 😉
John Clare
It sure looks that way. Actually I’m European but moved to the US :/. Thinking of ordering them at home.
hiam
Great review . Currently looking at dt 770 ,k550 and hp100. Whats your take on pairing these dt 770 Ae cans with the fiio e17? Would the results be comparable to the ones you got with the e10? or is that too quick an assumption?
L.
I don’t have the E17 and Mike doesn’t have the AE anymore. But in general the amp section on the E10 is better as that of the E17 (where the dac is better accordiing to Mike) so I don’t think it will be the best combination, but that’s a big “Think”. I’d have to listen to it to make a judgement
Trent_D
maybe this will end up like the special edition of the HD580, and become a new headphone once the AE is sold out.
L.
If the 4000 units sell quickly, they just might. Anyway seems like lots of people are ordering the AE after having read this review, so who knows 🙂
Trent_D
I can’t imagine why that would be! You would almost think that you and Mike are getting a kickback from Beyerdynamic (almost).
L.
If only, we’d be rich by now 😀
Jose Gomez
wouldn’t the dt880 had made more sense?
L.
I don’t think so, the DT770 is one of the most popular headphones
L.
As in how?
ryan
hi mike….this one or senn momentum??? the local store price for dt770 ae is on the high side compare to online store….around usd400
my hand is itching for another headphone
L.
Fun on the move : momentum
Better quality: DT770 AE
law
http://www.sweetwaveaudio.com/sales/studio-headphones/3968-beyerdynamic-dt-770-pro-limited-edition.html
Mike
$249! Thanks for sharing that link with us, law!
Markus
I pulled the trigger and ordered one after reading your review, which is great by the way. For the time being the only other can I have is the Sennheiser HD 598. How would you compare the sound of the DT 770 LE to the HD 598?
Last but not least I wanted to ask if the Topping D1 Mark2 is a good amp to pair with the DT 770 LE?
Mike
Markus, the sound is quite different. The HD598 more forward, more mid-oriented, more grainy in sound. DT770LE more bass, more laid back.
Amp the D1 is good but I enjoy something darker like the Matrix Mini Portable (review here)
Markus
Thanks for the answer Mike,
My intention was to find a musical can which complements my HD598 and plays most of the genres well. I am quite confident that the DT 770 LE will meet my high expectations. Can’t wait to have them in my hands (on my head).
smithj33
Hey Mike, I know you said you haven’t been using your 650, but how does the 770 LE stack up to the HD600? Obviously more bass, but any any other thoughts? Thanks
Mike
Some of the things I can think of is, cleaner sound better clarity better soundstage three dimensionality compared to the HD600.
TokenGesture
Been looking for a closed can for a while for when I can’t use the leaky old T1. Pulled the trigger on this on the back of your review! Can’t wait to hear them.
L.
Let us now how you like them!
TokenGesture
Very much! I think you guys nailed it in the review – they have the PRaT that I missed from the HD 650 and some sparkle without any fatiguing hot treble. Plenty of detail amidst the warmth. Great cans! Thanks guys
L.
Our pleasure. enjoy the headphone! 🙂
TokenGesture
Got a question for you – if I find the T1 a little harsh in the treble in comparison to this DT770 – what flagship should I have gone for? LCD2? HE500?
Mike
LCD-2
Mike
Good to hear that!
grizley
I knew they won’t last long on my wish-list… Ordered:) Got them from houseofsound.ch for a very nice price. I believe you can get them for ~200$ delivered (plus custom & tax fees depending on your country) if you happen to live in Europe or not so far from Europe… Can’t wait to check how my Squeezebox/Caiman DAC combo can drive them;)
L.
Nice! They are 143€ without shipping in Holland!
Fabio_Rocks
Where?:)
L.
http://www.4launch.nl/shop/product/129333/-koptelefoon-dt-770-pro-limited-edition/tweakers
giantstairs
Any idea the best place to get them with shipping to Spain? I looked at Thomann.de but they cost more thatn 200€
ryan
Is this really tat good? To buy or not to buy? How do you compare this with dt880? I wanted a closed phone
Mike
I think it’s more musical than the DT880. Less dry, less bright more bass.
Zohar Lee
So these have arrived – sounding nice already will wait to see how they bed in, however I have noticed one issue with portable use –
There are two small air vents – one on each side and if it’s windy out it comes in through the vents and it sounds like cable noise, this can unbalance the sound a bit as there is one placed at the front of the R cup and the other is at the back of the L cup – so depending on which way the wind blows it only affects one side.
Otherwise they are excellent – lovely sturdy build.
Mike
Interesting info on the air vents, Zohar.
Glad you’re enjoying the headphone!
Zohar Lee
Hi Mike, Yeah they are fantastic – am still getting used to the differences between them and the MS-1’s(with L pads) they replaced – very different sound signature & sound stage.
I have definitely noticed that the boomy bass you refer to is much tighter and less intrusive when pushed through the P-51, which allows a bit more room for the lower mids.
All in all very pleased them
Mike
Sweet!
Fabio_Rocks
Very nice review guys! I love/hate My Sennheiser hd650, I found lacks some bass compared to my beloved px100ii, but what bore me more is the laidbackness and slowness that does not work well with fast music. My question is: Should I sell the Hd650 and buy this one? Thanks!:)
Trent_D
HD650… lack bass? I don’t think I have heard that one before. I actually am really liking the 650 for rock. Of course, I don’t listen to anything that fast, so the thick low end doesn’t slow me up.
L.
Believe it or not Trent, there are headphones with different/better bass too 🙂
Trent_D
Shirley you jest 😉
Mike
Dear Fabio,
You should ignore all the HD650 fanboys over here and buy the DT770 LE.
Trent_D
The DT770 does look like a great deal, too. It has been said before, this website is poison for the wallet.
Ken Stuart
Mike, this brings up the point that Senn have chosen to release the Momentum and the HD700 (on either price point side of the HD650) rather than update the HD650 to make it more competitive with phones like the DT770LE. My guess is that they know feel that the original target audience for the HD650 is the people in the HD700 price range, and that people who can’t afford the HD700 are the same ones who are going to like the Momentum instead. The 650/700/800 numbering seems to imply this as well.
Do you agree ?
L.
But the sound level of the Momentum isn’t at the level of all the before mentionned headphones
Ken Stuart
That’s the point – rather than upgrade the HD650 HiFi Audiophile headphone at that US$500 price point, they chose to introduce a HiFi Audiophile headphone at a higher price point (HD700), and introduce another MidFi headphone at a lower price point US$350 in between the 598 (US$250) and the 650.
The implication is that they feel that audiophiles can afford the HD700…
Trent_D
What’s wrong with the 650 as is? The cost might be a tad high I suppose. It is nice to see such great competition in the headphone market, though.
Nick Tam
Nothing wrong with it. It just isn’t exciting at times for the average listener.
What competition? The HD650 has been unrivaled for 8 years, even now. The newer cans come and go and the Beyer crowd doesn’t compare to the Senn crowd.
grizley
I guess I want to throw in my opinion… Absolutely not! Don’t get rid off HD650 to buy DT770LE. Of course it all depends on what kind of music you listen to, how annoyed you are with the slowness of HD650, what kind of sound do you prefer, but having them both I clearly find HD650 superior to DT770LE. My Beyers got already around 75h of listening time and as much as I like them, they play in lower league than Senns. Yes, they are faster than Senns and bit more musical than AKG K550. It feels like great compromise but pls keep in mind that you also do not get the enormous soundstage and detail of AKG and this fantastic, romantic, open and airy sound of HD650 that makes you shiver for instance with every pluck of Clapton’s guitar string in Layla… I could not live without my HD650. I would miss a lot bit sterile, but detailed K550. While with DT770LE, I simply like them in my small collection. Pls take into consideration that my HD650 are possibly not even driven to its full potential by my Beresford’s Caiman DAC and still I consider them to be absolutely mind-blowing and forgive their tendency to “choke” a bit with faster music…
L.
but the AE is a lot easier to drive, I’ve been giving the AE a lot more head time as the HD650 lately
grizley
That’s true L. DT770LE are just fine from almost any source. I somehow spent most of the time listening to my home setup which is mid-/entry- level Squeezebox Touch + Caiman DAC/HeadAmp combo and here HD650 is my clear favourite, though I assume not yet driven optimally. I switch to DT770LE for some faster or generally poorer quality recordings and then it can be more enjoyable than HD650. But having both, I can not imagine trading my HD650 for DT770LE, while the opposite I would consider a clear upgrade… Depends a bit on what is your favourite music genre of course.
L.
I have to say I’m not a fan of the AE when using the CLAS as dac.
John Clare
Don’t leave us hanging L. Why don’t you like the CLAS+AE combo?
L.
ipod + CLAS + C421 is a great combo, but somehow it doesn’t work for me with the AE. It’s not engaging, only on Hi Gain you get the sound you normally get from the AE, and I don’t like that. Laptop + E10 + C421 + AE on the other hand is awesome. AE + any other desktop amp/dac is also awesome. So it must be the CLAS causing this. maybe it’s a bit too analytical/thin(??) for this combo, I’m not sure and I can’t seem to explain it very well :).
John Clare
I see the c421 is in every combo you mentioned just now. I wonder if CLAS + National would give a more favourable result?
L.
C421 is my on the go amp 😉 Maybe it would, I’ll try the clas and some other amps
Trent_D
I remember Mike saying in a facebook post that he took the National and CLAS to a local meet, and that they were joking that those two together could make good music out of any headphones.
Mike
Yea that was not a joke though. Of course not like literally all the headphones out there, but we tried it with several difficult headphones and they sound good out of the pairing.
Floyd Style
Hi guys, ho would you compare this headphone to the Grado SR225i? I want to replace my Grado because I can’t wear them more than 1 hour because they are so uncomfortable.
Is the soundstage comparable? Does it beat the 225i in bass?
On a side note, I also have the Amperior.
Mike
Floyd,
Just on the point of soundstage and bass, the DT770 is superior.
I think a lot of headphones are easily superior to the Grados when it comes to soundstage and bass. Grados aren’t the most refined sounding headphones either. However their presentation does have a special thing about it — the Grado sound you can say and that’s why people keep on getting back to the grados.
Floyd Style
Do you guys know any place in Canada where they sell these german headphones?
Mark Ferrosa
try http://www.headphonebar.com
Mike
Thanks, Mark.
Mark Ferrosa
You’re welcome Mike. I ordered these cans. Can’t wait!
Floyd Style
thanks Marc, I finally found a local place at 195$ CAD!
L.
do tell us about your findings
Mark Ferrosa
I’m glad that I can help u.
sindri1980
Hi everyone,
Between the Alo National, C421 and Asgard, which one do you recommend for the DT 770 LE? Do you have a better suggestion?
Thanks!
Mike
I would go with the ALO National or the Matrix Mini Portable.
The Yulong, it should work but how good the pairing, I wouldn’t know.
ryan
Finally…got it, got it!
L.
Aaaand?
ryan
And enjoying it. This should be my second last pair of headphones.
Mike
Good to hear that, Ryan!
L.
Wanna bet? 😉
ryan
really…really my second last pair…
Trent_D
Well?
John Clare
Mike and Lieven, you guys like to torture us ;). Seriously though, I got the AKG K550 a few weeks ago on the strength of your review and a few others. They’re great. However, I find myself now wondering if that was the right decision, given that you guys are basically describing this Beyerdynamic as a better relative of the K550. Is the difference that significant? Should I feel buyer’s remorse? 😛
Mike
Hi John,
We like the DT770 better than the K550 but the K550 also has other strengths that the DT770 doesn’t have. Soundstage I still think the K550 still has the upper hand.
John Clare
Thanks Mike!
ryan
Have anyone tried velour pads on this?
Mike
Ryan,
I’m going to ask Lieven to give it a try with velour.
L.
Lieven Doesn’t have velour Beyer pads at the moment. But as this pad was chosen for the AE, I was thinking of sticking to it. I’m not a fan of (p)leather but on this DT770PRO is doesn’t bother me at all.
John Clare
I think part of the curiosity over this is just how much of a difference the pads are making versus whatever changes were made to the drivers. I’ve even seen some people assert that the sound differences in the AE are solely due to the different pads.
L.
Of curse, that’s what Beyer even says themselves, it’s the pads. the drivers weren’t touched as far as we all know
John Clare
Well, surely that’s not completely true. The impedance of 32 Ohms is unique to this edition. Who is to say they stopped there? I just find it hard to believe that the pads alone could influence the sound as radically (grain for example) as you guys have stated.
L.
Agreed. What’s for sure is that they sound really good and different
Guest
From Sweetwaves website: Its newly developed 32 Ohms drivers are based on our world-renowned 80 Ohms and 250 Ohms drivers.
Adam
Thanks for an awesome review! I am seriously considering these as a new cans for a home rig, and therefore have some questions: how would you consider the price/grainess-free & transparency ratio on 770 AE, especially compared to cans like: Senns HD650, Ultrasone PRO900 shure SRH940?
Would you consider these cans as bass-heavy?
Which of the abovementioned cans will have the most direct, polished and true to the source vocals and which will be the most “immediate” sounding?
How would you compare treble extensions between these?
I can get 770 AE new for approx. 160$ here in Poland – it’s actually much cheaper than _used_ HD600/650/PRO900/SRH940, so my line of thinking is like that – even if they have a sightly bloated bass, IF the sound is grainess-free enough and direct enough – they would be a no brainer.
I’m just about to complete my main speakers-based rig that includes Yamahas NS-1000M, Audio Lot Singe-Ended Tube/FET hybrid power amp w/ resistor laddder vol. control, all siver-wired etc. (DAC will be Chord/Theta or similar) – and since I’ve been many years using Senns HD485 which are good phones in their price range, in a new reality, I simply need more transparent phones _now_, before I move to the Stax (or maybe, ortho…) world, phones that will be transparent enough but will have a complementary (by what I mean: “Slightly different”, i.e. Good for electronica, dubstep, pop and the like, _but_ with direct, clear vocals…) sound signature to Stax (that’s why I’d prefer sth like Beyer, instead of “detail monster” SRH940. And I assume that regarding to DT 770 AE – they will have more similar sonic balance to orthos than Stax – am I right?). What do you think?
Thanks $ Rgds
Mike
Grain free, the DT770 32Ω is more grain free than the 650, Pro900, or the SRH940. Pro900 perhaps second best.
A tad bass heavy but still not a true basshead phone.
Vocals the most direct, unpolished DT770 LE and the 940.
Treble extension, they all extend pretty high I really don’t see a cut off on these modern dynamic headphones.
Staxes, unless you have a top end 009 system, I really don’t enjoy the lesser Staxes. Just because they are electrostatic doesn’t mean they are good.
Orthos, well, they come in different flavors, I really can’t say if the Beyer is more similar to orthos.
Elbert Rijnberg
It is great with electronic music! Perhaps it’s THE headphone for electronic music. I also have the older 770 80 ohm version and the new LE blows it away c.o.m.p.l.e.t.e.l.y.
L.
Glad to see you like it Elbert. It’s truly great
L.
Hey I missed this question, sorry.
Grumpy
Would you recommend the DT 770 LE for classical music, especially symphonies and strings?
Mike
Yes I would. Though it’s still 2nd to the Hd650 for symphonies.
Strings, I can’t seem to find a good headphone for strings.
Grumpy
Thank you. What an excellent review!
ryan
hey L…you were saying ” although the 88 printing could have been a bit more visible.”….where is the 88 printing? on the earcups? i didn’t any 88 printing
L.
I guess I was right then huh? 😉 Check out this picture: http://www.headfonia.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/dt770_32_le_03.jpg
The grey little blocks under the DT770 text on the cups on the side, in the background, are “88” printing, the picture shows it quite clearly.
ryan
hahaha….i didn’t realise those are number 88…..just grey little blocks to me until i see the photos
D.r. Hilerio
How does the DT770’s sound compare to the Philips X1?
L.
The X1 one’s sound is warmer and smoother and it has more bass. It has a thicker sound with even more body/mids. very relaxed sound.
andkoppel
L. Which one of them would you consider a better all-rounder? And, do you find the X1 better that the HD600?
L.
I think the AE is the better all rounder, it certainly has the best price quality ratio of both. The X1 is so smooth and warm. Mike will review the X1 soon. I also have the Denon 600 coming up, thats a X1 and AE contender for sure. X1 and HD600 are so different, the X1 is even warmer as the HD650
Ken Stuart
You should make a Best Quality to Price Ratio Headphones list. Off the top of my head, DT770AE, HE-400 and SE215. Mike would probably add HD202.
John Clare
That list sounds like a great idea. “Best buy”
smithj33
Any reason that a DT770 80 or 250 with the softskin pads wouldn’t sound the same? Can’t find the LE anywhere in the US.
L.
Keep us posted. Let’s hope a few will be available in the US before it sells out.
Michael
so you prefer the sound of the LE version from the one of the 250Ohm?
Mike
Yes for sure.
Michael
Thank you for replying…. and compared to the 880 edition?
Trent_D
Mike says in the review he has never been a Beyerdynamic fan. Since he is raving about this headphone, I might venture a guess to say he likes this better any, save perhaps the flagship models.
Michael
Hmmm… yes you have a point but I would appreciate his opinion too! 🙂
Trent_D
I really want an excuse to buy this headphone.
ryan
My excuse to buy this, I needed a closed back….my next excuse, I probably need an ortho (he500, LCD 2) since I already had open and close dynamics
Michael Psyrras
The thing that concerns me is the somehow boomy bass that is mentioned in the review …. I thing that I prefer the less bass than the boomy bass…..
Michael Psyrras
Any comparison with the HD25 1-II would help me a lot … thnx!!!
Mike
The HD25-1 sounds more closed, narrow soundstage but more focused. The bass is definitely not boomy on the HD25-1.
Michael Psyrras
Yes I have listened a lot to the 25s and I am trying to decide between the two
Michael
For classical, opera, vocal, ethnic, jazz.. ??
Compared to the 25’s?
Trent_D
The HD25’s are known for having a very focused, closed sound. Great for rock, not so much the classical.
Michael
Thnx for answering… Yes I know but I tend to like this “forwardness” even for the genres I mention above.. for example I like the strings that the 25’s do even though they are not the most neutral… I had the chance to hear a lot to the 25’s but not to the LE’s…
As I wrote in a local forum I would like very much a can that would be like the HD25 1-II (body, forwardness, bass, impact) and the AKG K271mkII (air, neutrality) I own, mixed in one…lol!!
Trent_D
Only one way to really find out!
Michael
After loosing the French Amazon offer of the HD650 🙁 back on my initial dilemma hd25 1-II or 770LE…
L.
Those are different. Bass impact, great body, warm less aggressive, unoffensive treble = AE. The HD25 is more aggressive, treble, punchy bass, less oundstage, on ear (blah!) Etc etc etc
Michael
Ordered…
Michael
Well I have them for two days and the initial impressions are very good… the main characteristic of their sound and fit is “non tiring” in the most positive way… I mean that “non-tiring” doesn’t mean lack of detail or highs at all!
The bass is for me more elastic than boomy, in every way not too controlled. I would like it to be a little more controlled but it’s not at all bad as it is (depending and on the recording). The mids are definitely there but I would like some more presence (I like the “in your face” presentation of the HD25 1-II for example)!
Anyway these are very initial impressions and I will come back in some days…
Generally I am quite pleased with the overall performance … if only a taaad more mids!!
L.
Have you listened to other Beyers? 🙂
Michael
No I have not!
Michael
Sorry for the double post…
The other Beyer I want to audition for sure is the 880 edition 600ohm! From what i read it has the best sound between the 880s and I am very curious about how it sounds!
Mike
It sounds like a regular 250Ω 880, but smoother across the frequencies.
Michael
So … this is enough to prefer it to the others.. No?
Michael
And another question: what amp do you think would be the best for the LEs? No matter portable, transportable or desktop! Ideally I would like to get a portable and a desktop but no money left… 🙂
I own the O2 and the E9i!
How do they respond to beter equipment?
How much money would you spend to amp them, and to “better” in every way the amps I already have?
Τhnx!!!
L.
The O2 does really good with the AE but you have a little less bass. that’s why I, on the go, use it with the C421 with bass boost. the AE doesn’t need a big amp to make it shine. as a matter of fact even at home I normally use the C421 with the AE, or the Woo Audio 2, but that is overkill for the AE.
Michael
In no way I would want more quantity of bass from the LEs … Some more quality though (control) yes for sure…
You think that c421 is a worthy improvement over the O2 I already have? (with no BB for sure 🙂 ), or a better source as Mike says?
All the above speaking for portable devices because at home I think I have a quite good source (m.mini – hiface2 & evo dac – A+)
And something else… i think that the velour pads improve the bass a bit..
Mike
The C421 I think has sweeter mids and overall a more musical sound signature over the O2. It will not however improve the quality of the bass. You need something like the Burson amps for that (yes improving bass is not easy).
Nate
Would the C421 be sufficient if I am planning to listen from my laptop? is It better to get a standalone DAC on top of the C421?
Michael
Nate I think that a DAC is mandatory… an amp too of course!!
Michael
For my portative needs I think I will stick with the O2 for now and I will try to get a better source in the future!
For in house use.. what about a Vioelectric model? I know that you said that V200 is too much for the LEs but I tend to have o positive feeling about this company…
I am considering Vioelectric because I want the amp to pair well with my other cans too (K701, K271mkII, TH-7B… HD650 and 25 1-II -to come hopefully-)
Mike
I think amp requirements is not that heavy for the 770AE. What made a difference is a better source. I would get an improved source and go direct.
Michael
Such as…???
Now I use the O2 with an iPod and with my Galaxy Nexus runing the NeutronMP
Mike
You can add a CLAS to the Ipod, or look at the audiophile players such as Ibasso DX100, Hifiman HM602/HM801, Altmann Tera Player, Astell & Kern AK100.. There are a lot really.. Here are some links:
http://www.headfonia.com/the-player-astell-kern-ak100/
http://www.headfonia.com/altmann-micro-machines-tera-player-review/
http://www.headfonia.com/colorfly-c4/
http://www.headfonia.com/the-fostex-hp-p1/
Trent_D
You can get the hifiman HM601 for a mere $200.
Mike
I think it’s my favorite beyer so far..
Michael
Now I lost you.. 🙂 you mean the LEs or the 880/600ohm?
Mike
Sorry. I mean the LE is my favorite beyer so far.
Michael
No I haven’t. Except from some minute listening to the COP and to the 1350 (or 50p I don’t remember) within a very bad system and with very low quality music so this doesn’t count I suppose.
After the 770LE I should hear some more Beyers though
Mike
Very good impression, Michael. I agree with the mids as well.
Elastic vs Boomy??? You lost me there.
Michael
Thnx Mike… Well may be my english are not so good.. 🙂
By saying that I find the bass more elastic than boomy I mean that if we put from one side the hyper-controled bass and to the other the boomy bass the “elastic” bass is somewhere in the middle and the bass of the LEs is imo somewhere in the limit between elastic and boomy… I don’t know if it’s clearer now!
In any way if we decide to say that their bass is boomy definitely it isn’t so much that it can limit the music pleasure. From the other hand I would like it to be more controlled for sure!!!!!
Mike
Clear enough, Michael, and I agree. I use the adjective “slightly boomy”. 😉
Trent_D
If you were going to go with the HD650 before, the 770 AE would be more along those lines.
ryan
Mike says, ”I think it’s more musical than the DT880. Less dry, less bright more bass.”
Mark Ferrosa
Mike and Lieven are right. Very detailed and balanced cans. Lighter on bass than dt770 pro 80. Maybe i try velour pads later.
smithj33
Mark, how is the bass? Too boomy or non-issue?
Mark Ferrosa
No problem about the bass. I tried new velour pads and I didn’t like it: too bright treble and less bass. Softskin pads provide better sound balance and don’t get too hot as my old ath-m50.
L.
The pads are good 🙂
Mark Ferrosa
For sure!
Ni Hao
How does this DT 770 LE compared to your ath-m50?
Trent_D
The review has a comparison of these two phones.
“The good old Audio-Technica M50, one of my first headphones I owned, sounds a lot more forward and bright, with less body and bass. It’s also very clear but less detailed and a lot less musical. It do is more neutral or analytical to my experience. /Lieven”
Mark Ferrosa
Ath-M50 is less detailed and not so musical, as Lieven already posted but my m50 sounds darker than Dt770AE.
L.
That’s…impressive
Mark Ferrosa
It seems that there are differences between some m50 editions. I bought mine from Amazon UK 2010/dec.
L.
The good old Audio-Technica M50, one of my first headphones I owned,
sounds a lot more forward and bright, with less body and bass. It’s also
very clear but less detailed and a lot less musical. It do is more
neutral or analytical to my experience.
andy
why these are better then akg 550 ?
L.
I’m pretty sure we answered that yesterday or a couple of days ago 😉
andkoppel
I don’t know if better but more natural sounding and without that artificial highs I find in the AKGs.
John Clare
Paid for. Should be here next week. Hoping for a faster paced version of the HD 650…
L.
Keep us posted! What amp and source will you be using?
John Clare
Will do! CLAS+National but I also have the c421 :).
Rogier Schreurs
Is it’s level comparable with the 650?
smithj33
Just wanted to post for people in the US, B&H is taking orders with expected availability Dec 30.
Jack Shen
I purchased my DT 770 Pro 32 after reading your review and comparing them against my K550 (which I also bought thanks to your review in May). I don’t think one is superior to the other. Although the 770 has a great bass, the K550 has *much* more detail and clarity in the treble. In my conclusion I think the 770 is a good compliment for the K550, I use it for gaming and movies but the K550 is still king for music 🙂
Mike
Thanks, Jack!
L.
Check out what Headfonia reader Keph is doing to his DT770 AE!
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.497661130278589.122647.145341288843910&type=1
🙂
John Clare
For those of us who can’t spot what’s going on, can you explain please?
L.
You don’t have FB? It’s a DT770 AE with LCD2 pads
John Clare
I do have FB but I couldn’t tell what the difference was. Thanks!
L.
😀
Mark Ferrosa
I would like to know about sound and comfort chages if possible.
L.
It’s being talked about on FB
L.
And while you’re there, don’t forget to like our FB page 😉
Mark Ferrosa
Oops! I still don’t have a facebook profile.
Mark Ferrosa
Ok. I just saw the pics.
John Clare
In the US B+H is starting to fulfill orders and the headphones as of this message are in stock. Sweet Wave also has some.
Pavel Kostychev
Just received my DT770 LE!
Pure joy (1 hour burn)! My setup: macbook pro + Fiio E10 (DAC) + Musical Fidelity X-Can v3. I found that sound is very detailed comparing to my AH-D2000. Also the bass extension is very good. Thanks a lot for review.
L.
Glad you like it and enjoy the AE, it’s hard not to! I like the E10 dac with the AE as well.
L.
I’m wondering how many people ordered the AE after having read our review 😀
Trent_D
More than one I would guess.
andkoppel
I did. The AE just arrived and out of the box they are fun. I like them better than the AKG550 that sound a bit artificial and metalic to me.
Julius
Like chewing on foil paper
John Clare
I ordered mine based on your review. I also ordered the K-550 based on your review. The K-550 truly is reference quality but even with a good seal it doesn’t have enough base in my opinion, and the piercing treble and upper mid gives me a headache :/. I’ve gone back to my modded Sennheiser HD 558 – so much more fun, but I still need a closed headphone. My DT-770 AE arrives today. Will let you know.
John Clare
Got them. Sounded a bit odd for the first few minutes but seems to have settled a bit. What do you think the burn-in time on these is?
I think you guys nailed the review on this one. Smooth…. Reminds me of my modded HD 558 but without the open headphone’s wider soundstage, the bass is more controlled, and zero grain. Definitely better technicalities than the 558 – approaching the K-550 but without the harsh “chewing on foil paper” as Julius puts it. And very musical. Worth the wait. I’ll reserve judgement on the fatigue for now since I’ve only been listening for a short while. iPod -> CLAS -> National
Btw, if you want to compare the AKG K-550 to the DT-770 AE or a Sennheiser, put on (*gulp*) Ke$ha’s “We R Who We R”. I know, I know, it’s compressed pop, but really, try it out – it’ll make you hate the K-550. I tested it on the Wife after she said: “But you already have 2 sets of expensive headphones”. Then I made her listen to that song on the K-550 and she immediately grimaced in horror. The HD-558 then blew her mind. The AE is even better.
Thanks L and Mike.
John Clare
Noticing the boomy bass more after several hours of listening. It’s a little fatiguing.
L.
I love the bass 🙂 The advantage of using the C421 is that you have a BB switch for when you want more or less bass. Mostly it is “ON”. So does this make you like the AE less?
John Clare
Your poor ears….
ryan
Agree with John…
Went back to the HD650 for a while yesterday for classical/orchestral…
For low-mid volume listening, the AE is enjoyable with a little of the boomy bass…but when I am listening to classical/orchestra, I would push the volume higher than normal listening level…this is where the AE starts to distort whereby the HD650 still manage up to the maximum volume level.
Mike
Yes otherwise it would be perfect.
Trent_D
That isn’t fair to the K550. All you are saying is that it laid out a lousy recording. It can sound pretty awesome with some good recordings.
John Clare
You could view it that way, but I think it also shows that the K-550 is not a good all-rounder.
Trent_D
I agree there. It isn’t a good jack of all trades.
Isaiah Mackler
I did! Should arrive on Thursday.
Isaiah Mackler
On a quick listen, I love it!
Jakob Hviid
Well i just ordered mine. 🙂 Great review. Thanks!
James Fleming
On the strength of this review I’ve ordered one.
Now to figure out which amp to get 🙂
Mike
The C421 is a great pairing:
http://www.headfonia.com/q-a-2012-2/#comment-752293152
Julius
I just purchased a used Dt770 limited. Hopefully, I will enjoy it.
Trent_D
Where did you find one of the used variety? Let us know what you think.
Julius
There is one Demo used set left on Ebay. Get on it quick if you want to buy it http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=271118008512&ssPageName=ADME:X:BORO:US:1123
Trent_D
Thanks, but if my wife sees one more piece of new audio gear come my way, she’ll have me.
Julius
I had the same sentiment. I canceled my offer on it and think I’d rather wait until I can demo it before purchasing anything. I am perfectly happy with my customs and my HE500. Gotta kill the collector in me…
Trent_D
I finally have my HD650, a dacport lx and a crack kit on they way, and what am I thinking? “Hmmm, this HE500 looks nice…” It never ends for people like us, I imagine.
Julius
The HE500 is still my favorite open back. Shame really, my Bottlehead just stopped working a few days ago and needs to be sent in for repairs :[ Are you going to shoot for the Speedball?
Trent_D
Yes. I snagged one during their cyber monday sale. 15% off. I am also going to build one of their power cords to see if it really makes a difference. Do you have the Crack or the Sex?
Julius
Basic Crack. I’ve never heard any other versions.
Trent_D
Have you heard the he-300, not to suddenly jump ship.
Julius
Yep. I’ve owned both versions.
Trent_D
The reason I ask is that I have the HD650, which is great for classical, and the Superlux HD660 which I am loving for rcok, but now my attention is turning to something to handle what lies in between. I was thinking the HE-300 might be a cheaper, and easier to drive answer than the he-500. What do you think (I;m talking for jazz, folk, vocals, etc)?
Julius
I don’t think the HE300 is Intimate or immersing enough to be used as a specialist headphone for those genres. I can’t recommend anything for those genres because I still have not found anything suitable in that price range that satisfies me for Jazz or Vocals.
Trent_D
I did listen to the he300 awhile back, and I recalled loving it for jazz, but my memory isn’t so great.
Ken Stuart
What is the problem with the HD650 for Jazz/Folk/Vocals ?
Trent_D
It works well. I would like something a little faster, and perhaps a tad more forward. And heck, who am I kidding. I would love to have headphones of different flavors. A hifiman would be a good next one.
Julius
Trust your gut. You know what might make you happy more than anyone else. 🙂
Trent_D
I’m a huge geek. It will always be something else.
Julius
Amen, Brotha’. Amen.
Trent_D
So say we all!
L.
That’s why I have all my orders delivered at my parent’s place 😉
Trent_D
I would get caught, and then it would be even worse.
NubTAM94
If there aren’t any takers… I’ll have it.
Maybe not.
I’m still broke after raiding ebay for tubes for my Crack
Trent_D
What was your best Tube find?
smithj33
Just wanted to throw this out there in case some missed it, but these are different drivers. From their website: Its newly developed 32 Ohms drivers are based on our world-renowned 80 Ohms and 250 Ohms drivers.
Wilson Yee
Hi Leven, have you tried the DT770 AE with the La Figaro339?If you do so, can you share your experience?
L.
Of course I have, the result actually is pretty good for a 32 ohm headphone but the AE is very easy to drive. It’s like the WA2 but a bit warmer, more bass. The WA2 is clearer and clearer, both great with the WA2!
andkoppel
I like the AEs much better than the HFI-780. They sound more natural and mature. Less bass and highs (thankfully so) than HFI. And AEs has a neutral and nice mid, which I don’t remember the Ultrasones having any at all.
ExpectationGap
Hmmn… While I agree that the AE is more natural and mature, the HFI-780 is pretty forward with plenty of mid and (initially) bright highs. Personally – the AEs aren’t my cup of tea, I’m returning them to sweetwaveaudio.com – so if your in the market, you can nab a barely used, open-box set of these.
John Clare
Any ideas on what would be the closest open back headphone equivalent of the DT-770 AE?
Mike
Maybe the Fidelio L1. Not really equivalent, but if you want the closest open back equivalent then the L1.
The Beyer T5P actually is also quite similar but that’s a flagship reference model and it’s also a closed back.
andkoppel
Mike what kind of upgrade, if any would the T5P be?
Mike
Sorry, what do you mean by that?
andkoppel
How would you compare the DT770LE to the T5p? Both being closed headphones and portable. Or in other words what do you get for 1,000 more dollars from Beyerdynamic if you choose the T5p?
Mike
Well the difference in audio is never linear to the money you spend, so it’s not going to be $1,000 of a difference.
The T5P is more refined, smoother, more controlled bass. It definitely is a more capable headphone technically. Is it a more fun headphone to listen to? Not necessarily. The 770LE indeed is an excellent value.
Bookaboo
Hi Mike, had a listen to the Dt770 LE through the ipod and found the mids a little recessed and the highs a bit spiky – will both of these attributes improve with amplification – specifically with a tube amp as I loved the detail and separation I was hearing but found the treble a little annoying. I’m a huge HD650 fan BTW 🙂
Mike
A tube amp would improve it vastly, and also a better source.
John Clare
I was thinking of getting a bottlehead crack but I thought that was only for high impedance headphones, not the AE?
L.
The Crack is OTL, so yes. I did try the AE with it and it does fine, at home I do use the AE on all of my OTL amps, but the Crack is the least good with the AE tbh.
John Clare
Interesting but makes sense. What are the best tube amps for the AE then?
L.
It’s mostly the tubes that influence the sound of the OTL amp. I for one really like the WA2 with the AE
John Clare
Thanks! Who needs a second kidney anyhow…
Trent_D
That’s the spirit!
Brandon
I bought a pair of DT 770 Pro 32’s after reading this review as my first pair of headphones and have been very pleasantly surprised. Thanks for the insightful review!
L.
Glad you like them!
Brandon
Not trying to be a nuisance but would you be able to recommend any sub $800 amps? Thanks!
L.
For what headphones? Tube or non tube?
Brandon
Which would you recommend for the dt 770 Pro 32’s? I don’t really mind whether it’s a tube or non-tube 🙂
L.
339! 😀 Serious though, any decent amp, tube or non tube can drive the DT770 AE just fine, I mostly use it with the $180 C421 on the go and at work and with the WA2 or 339 at home.
Paul
I’m no audio expert, but I bought a pair of the DT 770 pro LE’s on the strength of this review, and I have to say that they sound like they were designed just for me.
For the money, they’re perfect!
Thanks for the review, for my ears, it was spot on!
Trent_D
From the response, it sounds like they were designed for a lot of people. I think Mike and L deserve a kickback from Beyer.
John Clare
I agree with Trent.
Mike
Thanks, Trent.
Lieven is getting a free Beyerdynamic T-shirt I think. 🙂
L.
We’re just happy to have found this gem and made so many people happy listeners
Mike
Really happy to hear that, Paul!
Radu
I also think of getting these headphones. I need them mostly for hip-hop, electronic and maybe some ambient. Are they really good for these genres, I really want a nice punchy and extended bass.
Should I go up with the price for HE-400?
Thanks in advance!
L.
Maybe for those genres you are best of with a an even more bass focused headphone. HE400 is nice too.
giantstairs
Great review! I was hoping someone could point me in the right direction to find these at a good price shipped to Spain. Thanks!
L.
Thank you. the big sites are selling it for around 200. Only some local sites go under that price, lowest I have seen is 143€ in Holland. I don’t know any local spanish sites, sorry. Google? One of our readers maybe?
giantstairs
The site from Holland doesn’t seem to ship to Spain. I have emailed another site but so far no response. Don’t know of too many eu shops and I don’t know of any local stores that carry Beyerdynamic. Amazon Spain doesn’t have them either.
I can however get the Philips L1 and X1 for less than 200€ shipped. Is it worth it to hold out for the LE’s?
I listen to a mix of music, jeff buckley, foo fighters, xtc, to keith jarrett, coltrane and some classical. They don’t have to be closed, although it woudn’t hurt and comfort is a priority. I also had a thought to save some cash and pick up the Creative Aurvana Live. Has anyone here had a chance to compare some of these options?
Thanks!
L.
X1 is very good too. review soon (january)!
Michael
thomann???
ryan
Is the T5p bigger than dt770?
Mike
More or less same
Albert Harris
the most different thing is the clamping force.. T5p much more comfortable than 770 AE. i need more than one month only for stretch his headband using my novels.. with T5p i could enjoy it start from the first.
Isaiah Mackler
These things are ridiculously comfortable, and though I like them better amped, they don’t sound horrible straight from an ipod. I’ve finally found a headphone I can wear for hours without fatigue of any kind. Just love them! What a great all rounder. Thanks for the review!
L.
Glad you like it!
Mike
Thanks, Isaiah!
andy
will be good combination with audinst mx1 ? i want fiio e10 bud in the review is said it is not good combination
andy
please ?
Trent_D
They just said the soundstage wasn’t the best. The e17 would improve that.
andy
isnt audinst od udac 2 better than e17 ?
Mike
Udac2 < E17 < Audinst HUD-MX.
Albert Harris
centrance dacport will be a nice combo with this AE. Audinst MX1 learly has a narrower soundstage than DACport.. the other option, you could try fostex hp-p1. the combination quiet awesome..
Alex Burrows
Can these compete with the HE-400s?
Mike
Yes, definitely.
Julius
I got my first listen last night. For a closed back, these are excellent and I wish I had the cash to buy them. I have no closed backs right now, but if I could get one ( ahem, coughmikegetmeafreeloanerkty) I would have the cable trimmed and would use it to sit outside with or something like that. The Beyer is smoother in the upper region but vocals actually sound smaller, but the overall depth and width of the Beyer is noticeably bigger than the HE400.
Uhh As
Comparing the DT 770 AE and HE-400, which one has better/deeper bass?
Are you saying HE-400s have better mids but worse soundstage than DT 770 AE?
Julius
I feel safe in saying the HE400 has much more powerful and deep bass than the Beyer AE. Everything on the HE400 sounds physically larger, but the Beyer has better sound staging qualities in general, better depth, more of a sense of width, more air and separation. I also think the Beyer has the superior upper region, its was noticeably smoother and less harsh than the HE400.
Albert Harris
Dear My.. Mike and L, both of you really can write! you made this 770 AE sounds very good!.. Mine now at four month age, and already fully burned. Mike, Please do not hesitate to ask me for the AE if you would like to do some comparison. My boarding house only ten minutes from AH and you can always find me at STC. In my experience, this AE works very well with Fostex Hp-P1. with Burson 160D, somehow AE produce so many bass, and that impact of bass hurt my head. for my cur i think i love my AE more then my T1.. the simplicity is awesome!
Mike
I think more people should have a listen on this AE.
Hopefully Beyer won’t make this into a limited number production cause it’ll be a shame. I don’t want to see the AE price go up to $700 because it’s no longer being made.
Richard Lange
just ordered my pair yesterday, i’m so excited to use it mainly for the computer connected to a creative x-fi titanium =(*_*=)
Mike
Very nice, Richard!
Richard Lange
just holding’ em now on my ears and i totaly got what i needed,
rich sound, really crystal crushing, spacious highs,
vividious, sparkling mids (if EQ’d right)
and fully strong, seperated bass…
FULL DETAIL ON EVERY ASPECT
L.
I just read another post by someone saying the M50 has more bass as this DT770 AE and I honestly have no idea where they keep getting that from. It’s so wrong. What do you think?
Mike
The M-50 does have more bass quantity though the impact is less, and the bass is muddier than the 770AE.
L.
not my M50 🙂
driver74
How would these, or the Custom One Pro for that matter, perform unamped and with low quality streams (i.e. internet radio)? I really like how
the M-80s I have sound (they seem to be very forgiving), but the all-day
comfort I’m looking for isn’t there. I never knew how bright red my ears could get.
Mike
Comfort to me is roughly similar. They clamp less and is circumaural vs the M-80’s supraaural, so I think these are more comfortable than the M-80.
The DT770 AE has better clarity, better technicalities, where the COP is darker and bassier.
Yago Vázquez Montes
Hi Mike, are this better than Fidelio L1?
I wouldn’t like something with more recessed mids than the Fidelio…
Paul
These cans get better and better!!! Just listened to close mic’d recording of Suzanne Vegas’ Luka and I cried just a little bit, awesome stuff!!
L.
Like!
Isaiah Mackler
Does anyone have a portable bag or case they use with the DT770 AE?
Michael
I bought the Beyer case together with the cans… it is somehow big but it protects very well and it isn’t expensive! It also has enough space to put the cables, iPod and amp in if you take some care.. I rap the amp in a smal peace of plastic with air-bubbles!!
Isaiah Mackler
Thanks!
Michael
🙂
L.
I use one of the bags of my other Beyers 😉
Isaiah Mackler
Thanks! It seemed so bulky though, but its been a while since I’ve owned one. I’ve thought about getting one of these bags from Goodcans; they look kind of cool: http://www.goodcans.com/HeadphoneReviews/Reviewss/HeadphoneStorage.html
L.
Those are pretty nice indeed!
smithj33
Finally placed my order. I figured I would wait until the last day of 2012 and if they were still available I would take the chance. I will say I don’t have high expectations after listening to numerous other Beyers and being 90% happy with my HD580….but I like to be surprised, so we will see in a few days.
L.
I think you’ll be surprised, in a good way 🙂
Dende Zwölf
I got my DT 770 LE last Friday and as a big fan of my LCD-2 and JH16 Pro I am totally excited about this headphone! Especially for some electronic music with heavy basslines (e.g. Dub Techno, Ambient Dub).
Thank you for the applicable review!
Greetings from Germany 🙂
L.
Our pleasure!
Julius
Just not sure if I want to pull the trigger on the AE. I am selling off my HE500, my ears need something new. But, I am very happy with my Sony MA900 for all purpose enjoyment so I am really looking for something warmer, larger sounding and immensely comfortable. Ahh stress
Mike
The MA900 sounds larger and more open. Bass quantity is more or less the same, with more control on the MA900.. but headphones, you know can’t be evaluated based on sections like that. As much as I think the MA900 is one of the finest Sony headphones (I really should do a review on it), I think the 770AE is better.
Robert_T
I think the 770AE got to me, I got a thing for limiteds, I’m now very close to buying this. Mike, do you think the 770AE would do great with rock, vocals, jazz, and edm? Or should I look at other headphones?
Mike
Rock, Vocals, Jazz are good. It has a good genre bandwith the 770AE.
EDM?
Robert_T
Oh, electronic dance music, house, trance, etc. Just bite the bullet just now, and because of that I’m in need of a cheap portable amp haha.
What sub 100$ amp do you think would synergize well with the 770AE?
John Clare
In my opinion there’s no genre that sounds bad on these phones, for what it’s worth. The more I listen to them the more I can’t imagine a better all-rounder closed headphone. They’re that good. (Can’t help you with the sub-$100 amp really other than to say they do really well with the JDS Labs CMoyBB)
Robert_T
I got the impression that the JDS Labs Cmoy doesn’t work well with low impedance phones. But I’ll keep that in mind.
Thanks for the suggestion.
Trent_D
The DT770 are easy to drive, so the cMoy shouldn’t have any problem
John Clare
JDS Labs’ CMoyBB is basically the same as the c421 and you’ve seen what Lieven and Mike have said about it. DT-770 isn’t a problem for it.
Julius
I have a ton of things to say about the MA900, maybe we can do a dual review again sometime in the future on it.
Nate
Just ordered my DT 770 LE. Now I need an AMP/DAC to go with it. I only have my laptop as a source. Would the E17 works well with the DT 770 LE? I am looking for something not too pricey, preferably less than $300
Michael
A/quest Dragonfly ???
Mike
The Dragonfly, I’ve never auditioned it.
Michael
Well me neither but I have read the most positive reviews from many different people.
As long as the Nates source is a laptop only it fits his needs I suppose and it also should drive the LEs adequately given the fact that they dont need much power…
Mike
Yes, thanks for the suggestion, Michael.
Nate
Thanks for the answer Michael. I assume I would need an amp to go
with the Dragonfly right? I would love to get a standalone dac + c421
but that would cost way too much (more than the headphone itself) I also
absolutely need a DAC because my laptop output is awful. Dragonfly seems really nice, but may be a tad bit too pricey for the 770 LE. I am just wondering if there would be a lot of improving moving up from the E17.
L.
Stoner Acoustics UD100 dac ($49)+ C421. done! 🙂
Guest
Do you have any advice on the cable connect the dac and amp? is it a big deal? I might just get a DF and C241 since my birthday is coming up soon 🙂
L.
As cheap as possible 😉
Michael
No you will not need an amp ..well for now 🙂 🙂 .. the DF is a H/phone amp too. That’s why I suggested it because the LEs are easy to drive! In the future may be a not very expensive amp like c421 will improve things! DF has behind it people that really know digital (G. Rankin)…
In any way all these are my personal thoughts… I am sure Mike and L. know very well what they are suggesting …
dalethorn
I tried the Dragonfly from WinXP and Foobar2000, and it played OK on some difficult tracks. Clark Terry’s Sugar Blues has some intense horns and they played loudly without any added distortion. The DT770-LE-32 seems about 3 to 5 db less efficient than the Momentum.
Mike
The E17 would work, yes.
Nate
also this is on sale here http://www.sweetwaveaudio.com/sales/studio-headphones/3968-beyerdynamic-dt-770-pro-limited-edition.html
$229 New and $209 for open/demo
Trent_D
I almost did it…
Mike Roderigo
hey guys,
is this pair of can really such a no brainer good all around choice for musical closed experience?
I’m plannig to pair it with the upcoming centrance hifi-m8, and listen to music in bed once my two little girls are sleeping.
seems a good choice to me.
L.
you can’t go wrong with this one!
Mike Roderigo
thanks for the feedbacks guys.
I just ordered. I’ll keep you informed.
ryan
You really have to buy it.
Mike
Wow!
b.l.
I just got my pair today, I dont know if my pair defective or there is some roll off @ higher frequencies. It hurts my ears sometimes because it sounds really sharp @ the ~10khz. but I am not sure… because my only other headphone is hd 650 which isnt sparkly at all.
b.l.
its only specific to some songs too
dalethorn
If you check the curve at Innerfidelity in the large PDF, it shows a huge peak around 8.5 khz for the regular edition DT770. These things vary a lot if you read these measurements, so there are all kinds of possibilities. Do you have the genuine 88th anniversary edition?
b.l.
… i got it from dale audio, packaging and build both seems legit. I am not sure if this is defective or how its suppose to sound.
Mike
I think that sounds about right with the regular 770s.
dalethorn
I’ve had my finger on the B&H order button for awhile now, and hoping that the AE/SE edition has much less peak around that 8.5 khz area. Tomorrow at 6pm B&H ordering resumes and I don’t want to make a mistake.
b.l.
sorry wrong spot.
Mike
Thanks for posting that. I don’t think I’ve encountered anything like that with the one I use for the review.
Maybe somebody else can help.
b.l.
I am seriously loving this can because of how far and well it extends down, and how smooth the highs are and the soundstage- but whenever a girl says “she” or “spanish” there is that sybaliance that annoys me without any eq; Maybe its my amp? Maybe its just my ear being too use to the HD650?
L.
What amp and dac? No sharp s here anyway, but I like to use warm sounding amps
b.l.
i am just using a nuforce hdp.
stan zorin
NuForce hdp is a bright/treble happy and a bit thin sounding amp. On badly engineered music it makes headphones sound more shrill and sibilant. Try getting some more mellow sounding amp like GoVibe Porta Tube or ALO the Continental
or ALO the National.
b.l.
http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?tvx86a6h6tqi1cw I first noticed it on this song on 1:05 it hurts my ear until 1:15; and it doesn’t on my AKG702 or HD650
Mark Ferrosa
This sybilance will fade away. You just need more time to burn it in.
Mark Ferrosa
*sibilance.
andkoppel
+1 sibilance dissapears after 100+ hours of use.
dalethorn
This track has very strong high frequencies and any headphone with a “flat” or neutral treble is going to sound bright and possibly harsh here. It’s a fun track though.
ryan
No sibliance for mine
b.l.
uh my bad I meant around the 12~13 khz, I re-tested alot; I am seriously thinking this is defective; I can not listen to any songs with female vocals with s in their songs without a -8db on my equalizer
Julius
I just purchased my own DT770 AE. I am super curious to see how it stacks up against my trusty Sony Ma900 and HE400.
ryan
Hahaha…You couldn’t resist this
Julius
Too many people email and ask me about this set on my Facebook page. My short time with it was very enjoyable, I doubt any of us audiophiles would be able to resist it at the price I got it.
ryan
add denon ad700 for comparison as well
L.
Not really :p 😉
Nick Tam
Just snatched up a pair from Jaben Singapore. This is such a fun listen that isn’t a bass monstrosity… I’m happy as a nut here
ryan
I pm’ed you in facebook
Nick Tam
I don’t think I got any messages… whaddya about?
Julius
Does the DT770AE benefit from the Digizoid Zo2?
L.
You need more bass?
Julius
Yep
Mike
You can add bass to any headphones using the Zo.
Julius
Heh…I’m aware of what the Zo does. Does it benefit or not, was my question.
Julius
How do the DT770 velours sound with it?
Mark Ferrosa
Less bass, more treble. No good.
Mike
Thanks, Mark
Julius
Can you compensate with proper EQ?
Mark Ferrosa
I didn’t try. I guess this isn’t a good idea.
Julius
Lol. Well, I have the velours and the DT770 coming in the mail soon, so I’ll let you know what I think of it with my EQ setup.
Mark Ferrosa
Ok! It’s always nice to have a second point of view.
Mike
Happy to see all these modding going on
Julius
I don’t think this is a mod. But, I would love to slap some wooden cups on the DT770 once I get them. Make it a lot like my Luke Skybeyers I had years ago. Man…I really miss those.
Mark Ferrosa
Even Beyer mods its products. My old dt770 pro 80 came with cheaper foams. Result: hair inside the left drive twice.
:/
George Lai
Hi Julius. How are the velour pads on the DT770 LE? I got my DT770 LE a week ago but the pads are so sticky and hot in the tropics? Thanks
謝文翊
I just bought DT770 Pro LE and I’m glad that I read Headfonia.
LE is so good, it performs way better than its modest price tag suggests.
Great reviews and accurate insight from Headfonia!
smithj33
Got mine, and have to say….not a big fan. I need a closed phone for night listening because the wife doesn’t like the open phones at night and I thought this one would be the one, but unfortunately it’s going back. Bass is a tad fuzzy and has an artificial thump in the mid-bass. For well recorded material it’s not too bad, but I listen to all genres. Sub bass was good though. They are pretty revealing phones and doesn’t do anything positive for poorly recorded songs. The highs are nice, but a tad sizzle-y at times with cymbals. The real killer for me is vocals. A bit fuzzy and subdued compared to my HD580. I am very partial to vocals and the 770 doesn’t have the organic, inviting vocals of the 580. Actually the 770 is less detailed and a tad cold in the vocal range. Oh well, you buy, try and learn. Glad I tried these out and they should be more popular at their price point.
Mike
Thanks for sharing!
smithj33
I should have mentioned, anyone worried about Beyers less than forward mids will be happily surprised.
L.
Sorry to hear, I think you’re one of the first not to like it. What is your source and amp if I may ask?
smithj33
I know my setup isn’t new or high end, but it serves the HD580 very well. It’s a DIY SOHA tube hybrid amp. I rolled different tubes and opamps. My DAC is an old school Entech which I find more spacious and resolving than some newer inexpensive DACs. I also tried with some of my DIY CMoys and an iPhone 4S. I know it came across as I hated it, but that’s not the case. I actually really liked it for rock and hip-hop, but I listen to a lot of female vocals and it just couldn’t come close to the HD580. Male vocals were fine for the most part.
Isaiah, I have tried a lot of phones and I think I am just a Sennheiser guy and I have to deal with it. I might give the Momentum a try or the DT250.
Mike
The HD580 is indeed a classic. That and the HD650 is still very high on my list.
L.
Sennheiser makes awesome headphones! If you prefer the 580 sound, I’d say enjoy it. The AE can’t be good for everyone, it would be the end of our hobby 😉 I’ll have to look up the Amp, I’d love to know more about it.
Isaiah Mackler
I’ve been ABing the DT770LE w/ the Momentum, and I could see why you might say this. If you’re not amping the DT770, an amp tightens up the bass some. But as of right now, I’m enjoying the mids more from the Momentum unamped than the DT770. I think you might like the Momentum. The vocals are both warm and detailed. The price increase is steap, but if you’re not already using a portable amp, I’m not finding the Momentum really needs one.
Isaiah Mackler
But if you want to rock out, I’d definitely take the DT770. Just a very nice earthy, live feel to it w/o losing detail. Nice instrument separation, too. I think the Momentum may have more polish and clarity but the DT770 is more viscerally enjoyable.
Kevin Clark
I love the 770’s. I really think people need to give these at least 100 hours break-in. The treble and bass both settle down over time. I think these are the most musical headphone I’ve ever owned. I’m glad I found this site.
Reality Bites
Agreed, mine have been burned in for upwards of 150 hours. The sound is definitely worth waiting for and quite different from ootb, with much better manners 🙂
L.
I didn’t experience that much of a change really and they have hundreds of hours on them
Nohsung Kang
Mike, how’s AE on female vocal compared to W5000?
Mike
Vocals are nice but w5000 is way better
Sent from my mobile device. Sorry for any mistype.
Nohsung Kang
1 more question, sorry to bother you. Now I own HD650 for classics, RS1i for rock/metal, W5000 for female vocal songs. If I buy 770AE, what music genres will it shine than others? My curiosity is killing me and my wallet. I’m using Burson Soloist and Chord QuteHd DAC.
Ni Hao
Would like to share my views on the 770LE.
After reading this review, I was very keen about the 770LE. Currently, I own the k550 & HD600. Since Mike “would go for this anniversary DT770 over the AKG’s K550”. I told myself I’ve got to try it. And I did.
The genre of music I listen to are vocals, classical and pop. The sound of 770LE is more up front, forward mids, smaller soundstage than k550. It’s a good sounding headphones and I’m sure mike and L have many praise for it.
So I shall share the negative things i noticed.
After listening to several of my test tracks, I switched to the k550 and realised that the 770LE does not sound as natural as the k550. There’s this spike in the higher frequency that’s very annoying, very noticeable in female vocals. I think someone had a similar experience, in the recent comments. The 770LE sounds vivid, clear and quite neutral (except for the spike). Not bassy at all, but the soundstage is small and unnatural. It actually sounded low-fi compared to the k550.
Since both the k550 & 770LE are around the range of $200-300. I would strongly recommend those who are interested to try the k550 as well.
Personally, I would be more happier to have the k550 to “accompany me in the afterlife”
Cheers 🙂
L.
Can we ask with what amp and Dac that is?
Ni Hao
I was using Ipod > Fiio L2 interconnect > O2. Audio tracks are in Apple Lossless or 320K mp3.
L.
Have you tried it straight out of the ipod or with another amp? 😀
L.
Thanks for the info. Good thing we don’t all love the same type of sound, right? 🙂
Enjoy the AKG!
dalethorn
Try the ‘Piano’ EQ setting on the ipod. It works with the O2 and fixes the sound good I think.
Mike
Thanks for sharing sharing your thoughts. Is Ni Hao your real name?
Sent from my mobile device. Sorry for any mistype.
Ni Hao
Nope, but it’s close 😉
Isaiah Mackler
I’m addicted to my DT770 LE. What is an open back that has a similar sound signature but is overall an upgrade? I’m preferring my DT770 to my HD600, but realistically, open back is better for work. But it have to be as close to as comfortable too! I think their comfort is part of the fun of these phones.
L.
Good question!
dalethorn
Got my DT770 32 ohm Special Edition about 5 minutes ago, and fired it up for an instant impression. It’s really good right out of the box. Worst case, the sibilants are no worse than an average hi-fi headphone with full (not rolled off) treble. Excellent! The only other thing I thought was obvious was a slight “cavernous” sound quality, which would be a small emphasis somewhere in the lower mids. That could also be just my impression after listening to the ATH ESW11Ltd which is emphasized toward the upper mids. I think I’ll keep this and sell it for twice the price when supplies run out.
L.
I wouldn’t do that 😉
dalethorn
Just kidding. I don’t think anyone would offer enough to justify giving the LE edition up. The sound is , ummm – neutral isn’t technically correct, but it fits so well in between all the extremes and whatever, it’s probably the thing you’d want to always have around.
L.
True but I mean that I think there will be a “new” normal edition with the same characteristics once these are sold out, like Mike already suggested. Which would mean the AE value wouldn’t increase
dalethorn
I’ve never had a headphone that changed signature so much with different amping. Out of ipod/iphone, a slightly cavernous and too-dark sound, and any reduction in the low end made the upper treble too sharp. The PA2V2 or FiiO E17 amps made this worse. Switch to the Audioengine D1 or Dragonfly and suddenly everything is good. The highs are still a bit zippy, and if I had a valve/tube amp I’d sure like to give that combination a try.
dalethorn
After trying EQ settings for several hours with Foobar2000, I finally settled on -2 db at 3.5k, -4 at 5k, -6 at 7k, -4 at 10k, and -2 at 14k. It’s crude and a parametric treatment would do better, but at least that setting makes the treble sound good on a wide range of music tracks.
Mark Ferrosa
I do the same with my Fiio E10/laptop and poweramp/xperiaMini/E11 amp.
dalethorn
Once I figured out this treble-trim, I settled in for a long listen. I can’t be sure this is the best sound I’ve ever heard in my house, but it has to be close. It’s marvelous.
Mark Ferrosa
These cans are pure fun!
Mike
Good to hear you guys are enjoying it!
Reality Bites
This is probably a bit of a stretch, but if you have an Arcam Alpha 3 laying around, the AE’s sound fantastic paired with it 🙂
dalethorn
Life isn’t fair. I’m not rich enough for all the amps I want, but I am enjoying the D1 and Dragonfly. I see Sennheiser has a uber-cool looking amp now for $1500 or more. Someday….
L.
Yes, this hobby can be depressing 🙂
Mike
Thanks for sharing that!
b.l.
May I just ask how these sound different from the “normal” dt 770 pros?
Mike
Didn’t I cover that on the review? Sorry
Sent from my mobile device. Sorry for any mistype.
Mark Ferrosa
770 Pro 80 wins on bass (more control) and comfort (velour pads), 770 AE is better on soundstage, mids and is more balanced than other 770s.
Mike
Thanks, Mark
Sent from my mobile device. Sorry for any mistype.
Mark Ferrosa
You’re welcome Mike.
Rogier Schreurs
Hey Lieven, how does this thing stack up against the DT990? I’m kind of interested in these since they’re about €140-150 in Holland; the same price as an ordinary DT770
L.
It’s been a while since I listened to the DT990/600. The soundstage on the 990 is bigger of course and treble is a lot hotter. I do think the bass on the 990 has more detail and it is “larger”. The mid section on the 770 AE are much thicker and forward. The 770 is a more fun headphone
Rogier Schreurs
Sounds like a good complement to the 990. However both links on the AE are currently dead… and so is something in the left cup of my DT990 it’s at Beyer now 🙁
dalethorn
My experience with the 770LE is it’s very sensitive to amping, so if you pick the right amp, it might work well for you.
Reality Bites
Just buy some, if you don’t like them you will be able to sell them for more than you paid very shortly 😉
dalethorn
I discovered a very good thing yesterday, given that the 32 ohm AE was targeted at mobile use, yes? The ‘Piano’ EQ setting on ipods/iphones reduces the peak in the upper treble while leaving the rest of the treble alone, and it cleans up a lot of the hollow/boomy sound lower down, while leaving the good bass alone. My new ipod touch is now playing the 770AE with better sound and soundstage than my laptop with Foobar2000 and the Audioengine D1 DAC. Been comparing side by side all day.
Edit: ipod out from LOD to PA2V2.
Michael
Well, I was thinking PA2V2 too for my LEs can you please say some more about their pairing???
According to Mikes review i think this amp will pair well to the LEs…
dalethorn
Using it now, iPhone to LOD to PA2V2, playing WAV rip of William Orbit’s Optical Illusion (Billy Buttons Mix) – that’s a high-energy music track — my amp was set by the guy in Canada to average gain, however that’s done (it’s not selectable by me). When I started before playing music with the iphone on and ready to go, in a very quiet place, I could turn up the volume on the amp (iphone volume is bypassed in LOD) to 4 o’clock (5 o’clock is max) before I hear even the faintest noise. But that’s quite a bit louder than playback volume – maybe 20 db. The bass in this track is strong, but doesn’t affect the mids at all. Trombone Shorty and Backatown has *very* heavy bass, but the spectrum is clear and clean. So let’s see – a good vocal test: Jennifer Warnes Rock You Gently: Good. Chris Isaak Wicked Game: Perfect. Actually I haven’t found a vocal that doesn’t play well with this combo. I’ve used this amp every day now for about 8 months, and the worst case is with the bassiest tracks on the 770LE, I get tighter control on the computer USB with Dragonfly or Audioengine D1. But I never hear anything I’d put a negative on, like harshness or lack of clarity. Even though I’ve had the 770LE for only about 6 weeks, the 770 has so much detail, if this amp had any issues they would pop out like a sore thumb.
Michael
So you mean that even everything else is quite good the bass is loose? This is something I wouldn’t want…
dalethorn
It’s pretty good with a small USB DAC, but not as tight with just an iPod or iPhone. But, the only strong bass I have heard with the iPhone alone is never very tight anyway. The DT770LE performs strong (but not fat or boomy) bass as good as any headphone whether used with amp or not, so I don’t know of a better choice.
Michael
Thank you for your answers…
Well in my opinion the LEs need an amp that will give a better control to the bass…
So If I understand correctly the combination iPod-LOD-PA2V2-770LE does not have the most tight bass. Yes?
I was wondering if you have the O2 (I have) and how does the two amps compare with the LEs and iPod… in any case I don’t expect the PA to be a better amp than the O2 but from the other hand O2 isn’t as portable. Actually I am using it in house moslty
Michael
Mike or Lieven do you have any comments about the PA2V2 with the LEs??
If as I read in the review, the PA2V2 has a forward sound with good PRAT I think that these two will pair well… is this right?
Thnx !!
Mike
Unfortunately I lost my PA2V2 long long time ago.
Michael
Sorry to hear…
dalethorn
I had the O2, which is a more complex amp than the PA2V2 (internally, not operationally). So the O2 may be better technically, yet the PA2V2 somehow manages a ‘larger’ image in my experience somehow. Could that be a coloration? Dunno. But while the O2 (by JDS or possibly Epiphany) might be better, I don’t see it doing better bass control. The only significant difference I hear is with a USB DAC/amp like the Dragonfly. If you get the O2, I hope you get the best possible sample, since the design spec calls for just average components.
Michael
I already have the O2 (by jds) .. I am searching for something more portable!!
dalethorn
I get it. The PA2V2 is more portable than the O2, but there’s still that volume knob that’s easily bent. The guy who makes the PA2V2 even tells customers how to re-bend it if it arrives in the post crooked from impact. My FiiO E17 is better in portability, but at best I don’t think it sounds any better than the PA2V2, through its analog (‘Aux’) input. I’d like to buy a slimline amp like the E17 that sounds a lot better, but doesn’t cost a fortune. I could see $250 USD maybe, since I paid almost $150 for the E17.
George Lai
Headstage Arrow 4G is USD299. I got that to use as a portable as the PA2V2 was just too cumbersome as a portable.
George Lai
Hi Dale. The gain can be set by turning the two blue screws inside the PA2V2 amp.
dalethorn
Thank you George! Very helpful!
George Lai
You’re most welcome, Dale. You’ve been able to help everybody, including me, and this is the first time I’ve been able to reciprocate.
Edison
how is the pairing with Audinst HUD-MX1?
jtr3
I must be the only one who was a little disappointed with the LE bass impact. From this review I was ready to enjoy the bass and new-and-improved mids. For sure the mids are quite nice, definitely better than my old 770 Pros. But the bass is much lighter in these, and nowhere near the impact of something like the HE-400. That’s too bad.
dalethorn
One problem I see is the earpad material doesn’t seal well to my head until it warms up a while, then the bass gets a little better. Even then it’s not a big impact like planars, which cost more and have their own issues.
jtr3
I realize planers are not the fairest of comparisons, but my 20-year-old DT770s have considerably more impact, even unamped. I immediately noticed the fit being looser and less sealed, too.
dalethorn
Did you try the new velour pads on the DT770LE?
jtr3
No, I read that bass would be reduced. Should I try it? I have a new set of 770 velours that I just put on my old cans last week. Or are there differ velours just for the LE?
dalethorn
If it’s hard to do or risks damaging the edges, then probably not worth doing. As far as I know Beyer sells the same pads for all 770s.
Mark Ferrosa
That’s the price you pay for a detailed and balanced sound on this LE. Keep the old 770 If you like the bass. I’m selling my old Pro 80. I prefer my 770 AE.
Mike
Plus and minuses. Yes the 80ohm has stronger bass impact, the LE more bass body.
jtr3
The more I listen to these, the more I agree with you. It is the price I pay.
George Lai
Hi, it just so happens I had an email from Beyerdynamic. They discourage using velours from 880/990 on the 770, and pleather from 770 onto the 880/990. Here in the humid tropics, pleather can be really warm and sticky and to alleviate that, sometimes I put those surgical mask type ear muff covers on my 770. It’s about USD5 for 50 pairs on Amazon.
George Lai
I forgot. I didn’t get them from Amazon but from scansound.com. My bad.
Mike
Velours usually reduce bass quantity, yes.
George Lai
I finally managed to put the Beyer velour pads on the DT770LE. Suffice to say Barry White sounded like Lionel Richie. I guess Beyer knows what it’s doing.
L.
Some actually might prefer Lionel over Barry though 😉
George Lai
That’s what the DT880 is for, Lieven
Mike
🙂
Thanks for the update, George.
L.
We all like the bass. What amp are you using with the DT770 AE? Maybe the AE just is not bass heavy enough for you? have you tried the COP yet?
jtr3
I’ve used both the O2 and the Meridian Explorer. I haven’t tried the COP, perhaps I should.
I get used to the LE sound after listening for a while and enjoy it. Then I put on the old 600-ohm Pros and feel the bass impact I was missing, but loose a noticeable amount of mids in male/female vocals and acoustic guitar. The reason I haven’t tried the COP is I’m not sure if it would be a duplicate of one of the 770s I already have.
Mike
Maybe you should check out the HD650 article. That headphone is synonymous with bass impact.
jtr3
I remember reading that article and really enjoying it. I’ll try to audition the 650 at next months Head-Fi meet so I know for sure. I’m also curious about the T70, mostly because I’m a fan of Beyerdynamic comfort, but I don’t know how it will stack up in the low end.
Mike
The T70 is tuned very clearly for monitoring. Sharp transients, almost no warmth, thin mids, very clean bass. I really don’t recommend it for music.
dalethorn
T90?
Mike
I haven’t heard the T90, Lieven should be getting one.
L.
It arrived today. Forget about it if he needs bass
Mike
Thanks, L
L.
Bass is good and very detailed but doesn’t have the Senn body, by far
dalethorn
When I first read yesterday’s post, I grabbed the DT770LE and fired up a few FLACs with the Microstreamer DAC. I thought “yes, there isn’t a lot of bass impact”. But the bass can have way different impact depending on circumstances. When it’s quiet late at night or very early morning, and I put the LE on and give it a minute to settle, then listen without any distractions, the bass impact is very good. A stronger bass headphone in that same circumstance would not sound good. So keep the stronger one for other circumstances.
Burju
Please do check if your Meridian Explorer is the original version(around 47 ohm on headphone out impedance) or the newer version (around 5 ohm) with lower impedance on its headphone out. If you using it solely thru headphone out, original Explorer sounds better with higher impedance headphone >300 ohm, lower impedance will sound like a big lost in bass impact. My HE400 lost its bass impact using explorer’s headphone out.
Cheers
jtr3
I have the original for now. While decreased damping factor will have some impact on bass with these 32-ohm cans on the ME, it doesn’t account for the same difference I observed when using the O2.
Guest
Has anyone tried the Pico Slim with the LE? How’s the pairing?
dalethorn
If you run that amp off of a good DAC it will sound spectacular with great bass definition. I don’t have the Pico Slim, but 2 headphone amps I run from the iphone LOD don’t have quite as good of bass detail with the DT770LE.
Rogier Schreurs
Hey Lieven, wat vind jij een goede prijs voor een nieuwe dt770 32Ω LE?
L.
Hi. I’ll reply in English as we’d like everyone to understand. When the AE came out it was available in the Netherlands for 143€, prices in the US were a bit more expensive. I don’t think you can still get the AE from Beyer directly so that means it’s “sold out”. luckily for you 4 launch is still selling it for 143€. Get it before it’s gone… https://www.4launch.nl/shop/#p-4-productid-129333
Rogier Schreurs
Yeah, I thought i sent you a personal message haha. Alright thanks! This review keeps haunting me, maybe buying it will silence my demons 😉
Rogier Schreurs
I’m gonna get one, I’m gonna get one, I’m gonna have it and love it and call it squishy and it shall be my squishy… Well, I am pretty stoked to finally find out what the buzz is all about!
L.
Keep us posted!
Rogier Schreurs
Well, for one thing the clamping force is absolutely killing! I mean just wow! it’s my least comfortable headphone by a mile. I haven’t listened to it that much cause my brother got an L2 the day before I got this, but I do love the sound this thing creates. That is, just as long bass levels on the track are kept within certain limits, cause the bass is a bit hard. Concerning that note It think there might be something wrong with my DT990, cause it appears to be the least bass heavy headphone (next to the L2, DT770 AE, AKG K181DJ and HD580.) Though it sounds absolutely fabulous… I’m confused, haha. AE really shines with a lot of Lounge/chillout/ambient/space music by the way!
Headfonia_L.
My DT990 had way more bass. thanks for the message, I do hope you get over the clamping issue, I don’t have that problem
Rogier Schreurs
Blimey Lieven, this thing really is a piece of joyous music equipment! And still it’s got a good bit of technicalities. The amount of bass makes it at picky headphone from time to time, sometimes I prefer it with my X-can V8P and sometimes the headphone amp in my Microstreamer and some songs just won’t work with it, but the ones that do… yih boy! 😀
dalethorn
That’s a great price for a really good headphone.
Carl
Dale, is there anything else around the 770 LE’s price that you would take over the 770? Just curious.
dalethorn
As a closed headphone around $250 USD? Hard to say – the M100 from v-moda is $60 higher and too muddy without some bass reduction. The $200 Soundmagic HP100 is really good, but a little on the lean-sounding side for my taste. The Senn Amperior and Momentum have good sounds but cost $100 more, and I think the LE is at least as good. The Philips L1 is a possibility, but still has a pumped-up upper bass. The Shure 940 could work if you don’t mind stuffing some extra foams into the earcups to cut down the brightness. But right out of the box, I think the LE wins, and I hope they release a standard version. At less than $200, it would be killer.
Carl
Thanks for those thoughtst! That’s a great one-paragraph summation of the headphone landscape in-and-around the LE’s terrain, really succinct and insightful.
I was kinda just curious, as I have been thinking a little about the 770 LE & Philips L1 as possible 2nd ‘phones to my D600.
Also, I’ve noticed that your opinion of various ‘phones performance hinges on changing their EQ using either desktop or i-device settings, which I never seem to see other reviewers do. This interests me for various reasons …
I seem to recall that recently you stated in a comment that the LE was listenable to you only if you moderated its treble peak somehow? Does this also indirectly indicate that for you its ‘as is’ sound doesn’t by itself quite cut it?
Anyway, thanks for your thoughts – I always find them interesting and both entertaining/informative and think you presence makes Headfonia an even better place to come visit(and I already think it’s pretty near perfect!)
Be well.
dalethorn
You could certainly play the LE flat – whatever peak you might hear would vary from person to person because there’s a lot of human variation in that area especially (around 8-10 khz), and everything else makes a difference too. With some amps I could just forget about EQ, but others sharpen it up where it becomes more noticeable. A valve(vacuum tube) amp would be ideal, and a mini-dac like the Dragonfly is the opposite of that. I spent several hours with the LE today, and it continues to amaze me with its detail – bass detail as well as treble. To me it’s a lot closer to ideal than the Philips, because the Philips’ bass emphasis takes over the presentation to a large extent, and there’s nothing like that going on with the LE. Still, there are a lot of people who favor the big bass, so it’s hard to guess. Like I told Val Kolton a few times, even 2 days ago – if I were working a headphone and amp shop in Southern California, I could sell DT770’s and Philips L1’s hand over fist (in Val’s case the lineup was slightly different). The thing is to get a synergy going, and I had it working today with the 770LE. So maybe the next thing is to think about the amp.
L.
The X1 is only 190€ here, that’s also an amazing headphone under the 200€ level
George Lai
Hi Lieven, for us in the Anglophile world, how does one order from this Italian website? Their prices are very tempting.
L.
That’s Dutch, a shop in The Netherlands. They only deliver to European countries I think
George Lai
Ha Ha, miscommunication I believe. Amazon Italy is in the Netherlands and is in Dutch? Double Dutch. It’s okay, Lieven. Cheers
dalethorn
I spent several more hours today with the 770LE and verza DAC playing WAV tracks from my 7-gen iPod Touch – just amazing. The LE’s won’t last forever, so grab one when you have the chance.
L.
But I never spoke of Amazon.IT in the comments, only of the 4launch.nl shop. Don’t get it
George Lai
My bad. Different thread. Sorry.
Richard Liu
Hey Lieven, you said that you “would go for this anniversary DT770 over the AKG’s K550.” They’re both on my list for consideration, and I was wondering why you would pick the ‘boomier’ DT770 over the K550.
L.
I think that has been covered multiple times already on here. The simple answer is because the AE is more fun and has more bass
Kelvin King
some update.. there goes the LE badge
http://europe.beyerdynamic.com/press/press-releases/press-detail/article/the-dt-770-pro-a-studio-legend-now-in-a-32-ohm-version.html
dalethorn
First we need to get some of the new ones tested to be sure they sound the same. Then I need to advertise my genuine LE for $750 so I can buy a new 770-32 plus the new A20 amp.
L.
They are exactly the same. We’ve known about this for quite a while now and it is due to the enormous popularity of the retired AE.
k1ngp1ng
Any leaks on retail price?
L.
Havent seen it yet
George Lai
Dang. I shoulda bought more than one.
L.
Not really as they are releasing the normal 32ohm version now as well
George Lai
Think I will get the COP then.
L.
Listening to it right now. love the Bass sliders!
George Lai
Though I’d feel a bit extravagant having both the 770LE and a COP.
L.
I agree, overall the DT770AE is the better headphone, but the COP be be really fun with bass heavy music.
John123John
http://www.amazon.com/electronics/dp/B0006NL5SM
So this is the LE version but with a unlimited (regular) name?
but the other ohm versions of the dt770 are the same as before?
oh what the heck, still says LE? Im so confused.. How will buyers of the used market know if theyre buying the old version or the new version?
Dave Ulrich
Well, it is the only 770 that is 32 ohms. Plus, the LE says limited edition on the side. So, when the non-LE 32 ohms 770 comes out, it should NOT say limited edition on the side.
L.
That’s correct
L.
I posted that on FB already 😉
Garry
So according to comments here, DT770 LE + velour pads is a no-go.
I am looking to get a Beyer mostly because of their comfy velour pads.
Anyone have experience with the COP + velour pads?
Gonza
Hey can you review/compare the new dt770 pro 32 ohms to the AE? thankss
L.
same thing, different badge?
dalethorn
If the new 32 ohm has the plastic pads like the Limited Edition, it should sound exactly the same.
George Lai
For those with big ears and find the standard pleather earpads too small, and don’t wish to use Beyer velour earpads, use the Brainwavz HM5 pleather earpads. USD17 from MP4Nation.net with free shipping. Now I don’t have to get rid of my DT770 AE.
Mike
Thank you for sharing George.
Stefan Jakovljevic
Hey, I have a question. I was looking through some ads and I have found DT 770 32 Ohm headphones. The price is OK, around 100 euros, but unfortunately it does not say if they are Limited Edition or not. Is there a regular edition with 32 Ohm impedance? And if there is, how does it compare to the Anniversary Edition?
L.
The Ae was a limited edition. But is was so successful (our fault) that they decided to make a normal 32 ohm DT770. It is exactly the same, it just doesn’t have the AE logo.
Stefan Jakovljevic
Hey Lieven, I have another question if I may ask. I saw you post 4launch.nl site on some comment underneath as a place with low-priced headphones. Are there any other sites (Dutch or European) where I can find secondhand or low-priced audio equipment, headphones mostly? I know there is markplaats and ebay, any other.
Regards, Stefan
L.
amazon.de
amazon.fr
amazon.es
amazon.it
amazon.co.uk
thomann
soundconsult
audiogarden
headsound
Google 😉
Stefan Jakovljevic
Yes, I have found that information. But as the ad is for used headphones, are there any older 32 Ohm 770s than the Limited Edition?
L.
I don’t think so now. there was a 80 ohm and 250ohm version. Maybe I missed one
Mark Ferrosa
Hi Lieven!
There was an old “DT 770 32 ohm” edition.
http://www.headphonejourney.com/2011/06/beyerdynamic-dt770-32-ohm-vs-250-ohm.html
The new regular edition is called “DT 770 Pro 32 ohm”
L.
Thanks Mark!
Daniel
I own a pair of Audio Technica ESW9A’s and Denon D750s. I find that the ESW9A’s sound OK played through an iPod and sound much better through a higher voltage source such as a laptop with better DAC. Anyway I find that they don’t seal well and aren’t as clear as I would hope. SO I ended up buying a pair of T70Ps… Unfortunately they sounded so flat, had no bass whatsoever, and were way too bright with loads of sibilance… The D750s I loved but unfortunately they sounded so muddy and dark without an amp, I listen to my headphones on the go and don’t want to have an AMP/DAC combo with me. So anyway, I was wondering how these DT770 32 Ohm Pro’s compare to the DT880s which are semi-open? I loved the sound of the DT880s although the bass was a little recessed. The T70Ps were the worst headphones from Beyer I ever heard. Also how do these 32 ohm 770Pros sound compared to some of Audio Technica’s offerings such as my ESW9, or even the ESW10, ES700, or ES10, (these are the other ones I am debating between). I would also love to know how they compare to Ultrasone Signatures or Editions. Thanks so much!!!
dalethorn
I only know the ESW9a and DT-770LE (limited edition, which is now the new standard 32 ohm model). The ESW9a highs are soft, i.e. rolled off, while the DT-770-32 has full highs (not bright though), except there’s a slight treble peak around 8-9 khz that may be a problem for some people, and it was for me so I EQ’d it. Moving to the mids, I find the ESW9a nearly perfect – I don’t find anything wrong in fact. The DT-770-32 has a huge sounding midrange that I find has a somewhat hollow sound to it, although I don’t recall anyone else mentioning it. The bass is different between these two headphones, but rather than try to analyze the exact differences, I’ll just say the difference to me was unimportant compared to the very important differences in the mids and highs. The DT-770-32 is essentially non-portable in my view, while the ESW9a is very portable. The DT-770-32 is very comfortable, going fully around my ears, while the ESW9a has those weird little pads that are beveled so just the narrow top of the bevel goes against my ears. I got used to it, but it’s not as good as the flatter pads they use on the ESW11-LTD.
dalethorn
BTW, portable to me means as I go places without a backpack or other large bag to stash headphones into, then when I’m not listening I pull the earcups down and wear the headphone around my neck with cord tucked into pocket. The ESW9a works great that way.
Punit Shetty
Bought one because of this review, Lovin it. My Portable closed HP collection is now complete. Have the Beyer DT 1350, Senn HD 25 Alu Anniv Ed & this.
L.
It’s my night stand headphone for the moment
Mike
Glad to hear that!
dalethorn
There’s always the new T51p. I love it!
tand
Hi guys,
Got my hands on a DT 770 manufaktur 32 ohm.
i was expecting a bass headphones. But it really isnt. Quite tame bass. But the trable to my ears is quite shocking. Drove me almost crazy when I was a bit hungover yesterday morning.
So could you tell me whats the soundsignature of this can? Is it a bass monster and is my headphone broken? Or is it what I have?
Anyway the main difference with the headphone on review is that mine has velours pads and has different cups. Would changing the pads to pleather change the sound?
Thanks alot. Hope you can help me out.
L.
This is a DT770 AE review, you have a completely different model. Of the DT770 PRO series the 80Ohm has the most bass. The Manufactur (are you sure?) is a consumer version and can indeed sound like you say. Beyer treble is very extended and important. In the AE everything is more linear.
Also, the pads change mote than you think. But in conclusion, you have another version.
tand
Hi L,
So when people mention bas heavy headphones its the 770 pro version?
Whats so different? Is the 80 ohm version also bass heavy?
Yeah
got the receipt rom beyerdynamic and everything.All custom. Looks real
nice black on black. New 260€. Is the premium version with the wings.
L.
The Pro 80ohm is the bass heaviest of the 770 series
I can fully recommend the Beyer COP with the adjustable bass ports
MD2020
What a wealth of information this site has, and the layout is so clean and useful! Thanks for doing this. Anyway, what are the current amp recommendations for the DT 770 32 ohm in the sub $300 range? Looking around it looks like the Torpedo, Dragonfly, and Audioengine D3 work. Any other suggestions? What about the Schiit Vali?
Dave Ulrich
The problem with the Vali is the image has no depth to it. The DT 770 32 does. If it wasn’t for that, I actually think that would be a good pairing. I like the Torpedo myself.
MD2020
Thanks Dave! I may have to wait a while since the Torpedo is at the upper limit of my budget. Do you think the JDS Labs cmoy would be a cheaper alternative for now? My goal is to tighten up the bass.
Dave Ulrich
What is your source?
MD2020
MacBook Pro. No DAC (yet). I figured I’d get the headphones and amp nailed down first.
L.
you won’t tighten up the bass with a Cmoy with BB 😉
MD2020
Ouch, my wallet was afraid of that 🙂 I guess I’ll be saving up for the Torpedo then. Thanks Lieven and Dave.
Dave Ulrich
I can also recommend the dacport lx as a source.
MD2020
Thanks Dave, I’ll have to put that one one the list.
Rogier Schreurs
HRT Microstreamer is a bit overpowered for my taste. Though I DO appear to listen at lower volume levels than most people I know. I’d take a look at the ifi products as well if I were you
Sean Higgins
For what it’s worth, I have my DT770 AEs plugged into an iFi iDSD and they sound as good as they ever have. I set Foobar2000 to convert pcm to dsd on the fly and the sound is smooth, tight, and feels just right. Your mileage may vary, but I thought I’d share this pairing in case anyone else is on the lookout.
Dave Ulrich
Thanks!
Rogier Schreurs
I am! Tried the Nano iDSD two days ago, right after I got my AE. I will try out the Full iDSD and maybe even get it, though I prefered the iDSD with my DT990 and my AE with my HRT Microstreamer.
Deskolim Cheong
How if AE compare to L2(many reviewers get AE over than L1)? Seems like L2 is also got many fans.
L.
Well the old AE, now the 32Ohm version, is a closed headphone. The L2 is an open headphone. L2 and AE are very good, and very different. The L2 driver is the better one, but the Beyer just has a special sound.
Deskolim Cheong
It’s that the same AE version(not limited for only 4000?) with the new 32ohm version? or still AE better? Considered to buy, because i found they still have AE version stock.
Dave Ulrich
It should be the exact same headphone.
L.
The AE is the same as the 32 version, just more expensive as it is a limited version
tand
HI lievens,
Which pleather cushiosn do you have? Is it the perforated pleather cushions. Or is it totally closed. I am referring to the backside of the cushions.
Have you ever tried it with a velours?
L.
My AE now has the Velour pads. The original pleather pads had the holes in them. I like the better over all with the velours. For bass I just use my COPs
Joe
I have seen some comments and measurements which says AE and new 32 ohm version are actually different sounding headphones. (en.goldenears.net) Looks like new 32 ohm version has more treble and less bass than AE. What do you guys think?
dalethorn
I wish I had both, but even then, I can’t imagine why they would sound different outside of earpad differences. wasn’t the AE equipped with different pads than the DT770 Pro versions? And maybe that’s the difference?
Joe
Maybe Beyer tuned AE differently from their regular dt770 models. The review praises AE that they are better than regular dt770. Those good qualities mentioned might not be there with new 32 ohm version. Some commented that AE and new 32 ohm version are same below, I am just saying that might not be true.
dalethorn
I mentioned it because (I think) the AE used different earpads from the regular models, so see if that’s a factor.
L.
Beyer confirmed they were exactly the same apart from the looks
L.
I call BS 🙂
Pedro Oliveira
Mike and lieven really sorry for bothering….
My last headphones have been the white box ath m50, sennheiser hd 25, momentum over ear, mdr 1r and sony mdr v6. By using this headphones i reached a concluaion i hate too coloured and warm sound, the mdr 1rs to my ears sounded muffled and lacked bass impact. I love and still have the hd25 but they sound too confined, i liked the bass of the ath m50s but did not like the recessed mids and plasticky and unatural treble and i loved the momentums sound, a bit boring for edm but i loved it, did not loved the confort of the momentums though and sold them…. I listen mostly to pop, rock and edm and i beliece my 2 favourite headphones so far are indeed the over ear momentums and the hd25s….
Having described my preferences do you guys think this beyer would suit me? (I can get a used le for 100 euros in mint condition) would the 80 ohm version be better for me? I also hated the k550 by the way, weird fit, lacking bass and to much treble (to me ot sounded steryle)….
Right now i only have the hd25 and the v6….
On paper this dt770 looks cool but i am affraid the bass will not sufice me as i my 2 favourite headphones so far have a very generous amount of bass…. I am also a bit afraid of the famous beyers treble reputation…. If they sound like the hd25 thats ok, but if thwy sound like the k550 no way i am getting them…
Hope you guys can help me understand how the dt770le sounds because to be honest i never tried any beyer in my life….
dalethorn
In a word, no. You should get something that has a wider soundstage and good bass impact (but not muddy) and not soft on both ends like the Momentum. The Philips L2 might be a possibility. The Sennheiser HD25 Aluminum might be good. The Shure SRH840 is way, way better than the M50, and very little coloration. Very little. I really liked the MrSpeakers Mad Dog – bass, treble, mids – all very good. It’s very hard to top what you have until the price goes way up, but the Shure 840 is the most uncolored and hifi headphone I know of at $200 and below, then the Mad Dog at approximately $300. I have had the Philips L1 which is rather bassy, but I’ve heard the L2 is better.
Pedro Oliveira
Thank you very much for yout reply dale…. 🙂
Love your video reviews by the way…:-D
The amperior would be had anything that i dont have on my hd25?
From the headphones i mentioned i had, wich one of them is closer to the dt770 ae in terms of sound signature? Are they really that bass light when compared to the 80ohm version….?
At 100 euros these guys seemed like a good bet for my taste because i thought i was getting the fun and bassy sound of the 80ohm version but more refined an more adequate sensitivity for portable players… Seems not after all… I really hoped they could be fun like my hd25 but with a muchbbiggersoundstage…. :'(
dalethorn
Hi – None of your headphones are similar to the DT770. The 770 is very good in its own right, but has a warm upper bass to low mids, and does not have the solid low bass like the M50. What you describe that you wish for is very much the same for most of us – a solid bass with good impact and detail/clarity. A liquid and uncolored midrange. A treble with great detail but no peaky areas. The Amperior is better than the HD25, and there is a review here that says the “HD25 Aluminum” is better than the Amperior. But if I were using the Aluminum, I would need to re-tune the bass, to boost the lower bass a little and reduce the upper bass a little. I had just the Amperior, but I understand the tuning, and adjusting the bass as I described would make it much better.
Pedro Oliveira
In wich ways do you think the amperior is better than the hd25 (i know the aluminium are even better but also are more expensive)? The bass is much stronger (i kind of liked the bass response of the on ear momentums…)? For someone who has and loves the hd25 do you think the amperior is worth getting as an improvemente or the changes in sound are too subtle?
Returning to the dt770 ae…
So with wich headphones could these dt770s be compared? Do you think they are able to perform at least decently with the genres i listen, or would the 80ohm version suit me better?
Wich musical genses do you guys think that the dt770ae portrays better?
Cheers…
dalethorn
Innerfidelity covered the HD25/Amperior differences pretty well. If you can find an Amperior they are very cheap today. I think the Aluminum is still full price. I don’t know anything that sounds like the DT770. It’s like being in a very large room, almost like a cavern, but it’s not the same as the big soundstage of a Sennheiser HD800. The HD800 is neutral to slightly bright, while the DT770 is darker with a warmer low end. But you’re looking to get a more hi-fi sound from where you are, and the DT770 is not that. You might want to go to Edd’s site (NobleHiFi) and read his reviews of the DT770, DT880, DT990 etc., and get a better idea of how they compare.
Pedro Oliveira
Whats weird is that while checking some measurement graphs these appera to be bassier than the amperiors and ath m50s and even bassier than the 80ohm dt770s…… Also i have been trading messaging with some headfiers and the opinions are different , some say they do not have much more bass than the mdr v6, while other claim there are no sonic differences between all dt770 models (at least very noticeable ones) and that they all share the same soung sig. Do you guys think that if i had the velour pads to the dt770 le’s the bass will become even fuller or at least more controled and punchy?
Cheers…
L.
no, less controlled and punchy with velours
Pedro Oliveira
Thank you very much for your reply L. So how loose os the bass and how much is it in quantity? Are they at least bassier and punchier than the v6 or the sony mdr 1r? Anywhere near the ath m50? I can get this limited edition real cheap but since i cant try them without buying i am still very confused about the bass…. Do you think they have plenty of bas to at least enjoy edm (and some rock stuff like biffy clyro or artic monkeys) decently? How loose is the bass? Mdr 1r loose? Aurvana live loose? Hd500 series loose? 😀
Sorry once again for all the trouble m8….
dalethorn
When you have time to spend with the DT770, I don’t think you’ll be so focused on how the bass sounds exactly – you’ll be listening and thinking “wow – this is soooooo different from the M50, Sony, Amperior, etc.”
Pedro Oliveira
I am sure i will Dale, but i just want to make sure the bass will suffice my taste and that will be fun enough to preovide me some edm fun every once i a while…. Thats my only doubt…. I am sure they will kick all i have in terms of soundstage and confort thats for sure, but i want them to be fun enough and not steryle like some k550. I want to make sure they are at least more bassy than the 1r and v6. If they are i am clicking the buy button right away…. (Without being to colored as the 1r as well, those sounded tooooo muffled….)
dalethorn
I don’t know how to answer those questions. I think the bass is OK, but it doesn’t stand out like some other headphones. I guess the best advice is whatever the review says, or compare the review to other reviews.
Jort Ruhof
Lieven and Mike, I read a fair amount of reviews from both of you with great interest. I would like to compliment you on all your expert work, it sure feels detached and thorough!
I’m 46 years but still a hifi-headphone starter with a very broad non-classical music taste (mostly on an IPhone 5). I want to buy my first and hopefully fantastic HiFi-headphone system. From your reviews I understood that the right amp/dac is crucial here. You both wrote very positive about the DT770AE and the HD650.
Can you help me (and others) with comparing your best possible portable DT770AE-amp/dac combo to your best portable HD650-amp/dac combo to your latest knowledge.
Where does the one combination excel compared to the other, looking at things like beautiful 3-dimensionality, the wide soundstage, sparkling dynamics, a bass who is really there but not overdone, upfront midds and clear highs but not painful, and where are there similarities in excellence. (I prefer a portable amp/dac system because I lot of times I’m not at home.)
And o yeah, is there a amp/dac portable which comes in second for less than 500 dollars and still gives you a very big smile on your face that stays there. (If ithere’s not a portable one than a home-version is fine.)
Many thanks for your expert advice in advance!
Best regards,
Jort
Jort Ruhof
Lieven, you must be very busy reviewing al the new stuff after your well deserved holidays. So I can understand you are not able to answer soon, and besides, you already told somewhere; “I would go for the L2 instead of Bayer 770LE, it’s a higher quality sound for sure.” So the old 770LE is history, no more talking about that one, long live the new king L2. Which leaves me with the same questions, but now compairing the L2 with the ideal portable amp (for a bit better bass, the Duet?) vs HD650 with the (to your latest knowledge) ideal portable amp however max 600 euros and all listened to with an iPhone5/MacbookPro.
Could you find some time after the next to weeks for my questions underneath?
Where does, through your ears, one of the above headphone/amp combinations excel compared to the other and where do you see similarities in excellence? I know, open vs closed, hard to compare, but still, please do give it a try.
And what if the amp is maxed to 300 euros which combi would you than make for the HD650 (perhaps the Matrix for portable and the A20 for home?) and the L2?
And 3 the most important one; at the end of the day, which of these Headphone/Amp/iPhone combinations would you prefer and why?
L.
Hi yeah sorry, very busy here.
The L2 wins on technicalities over the DT770AE. Personally on fun factor to me, the DT770AE/32 wins. It depends what sound you’re after.
The Duet is very good, the new picollo too and also the brand new Fiio E11K. In that exact order. All have enough power for the HD650
Price quality to 300: HD650 or L2 + Crack
All time: HD650 + OTL amp like 339/WA2/Crack
Portable: HD650 + Duet or Theorem
Nat PML
Remember when I was complaining about the L2’s brightness the other day (EQ didn’t help)?
I re-read your DT770AE review, and bought a DT770 32 ohms, and I LOVE it !
Sounds great, not expensive, and it totally replaced the L2 for me when I need a low impedance headphone.
I must say that I find the way you describe sound in your reviews very accurate, L. Whether people share your taste or not, your writings are a great base to make one’s choice.
Thanks for the wonderful discovery !
L.
Thank you Nat. I appreciate it
Jort Ruhof
L, does your answer “All Time” mean that the HD650 is your all time favorite? And does it also mean that in your (dark, 3-dimentionality, very deep) sound preference, when both perfectly amped, the HD650 wins it for you over the DT770AE/32 ? /Alvast super dank voor je oprechte antwoord./
L.
Oh yes, Tee HD650 is one of the old Kings. It’s still in my top 5 of best headphones ever. To me it is a lot better than the DT770AE/32. Graag gedaan!
Jort Ruhof
Are you willing to share your personal top 5 of best headphones ever?
L.
Only 5?
Sennheiser Orpheus
Sennheiser HD650
Audeze LCD2/3 (see how I cheated there?)
Audeze LCD-XC
Hifiman HE-500 (and not the 560)
Jort Ruhof
Very cool, thanks!
Last december you all shared your top 2013 products with us in your review called “Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!” . Your personal views were VERY interesting insights!
Valentine was extremely enthusiastic about the Schiit Vali amp. He called it the ultimate amp game changer what’s your personal opinion about it? And how does it pair with 650?
And Mike wrote in aug 2012 about the Matrix Mini-Portable: No airy sound, but the bass weight and the full mids) the result is über dark, I love it. Perfect portable for the HD650.
I’m curious: The two above together with the Duet, Picollo, Thorem. In what exact order would you place them paired with he 650?
dalethorn
Can anyone share their top 5? (why, yes, of course): AKG K812, Beyer T1, Alpha Dog, Grado PS500, Shure 1840. (hope you don’t mind)
L.
Good idea for a new topic!
Jort Ruhof
Thanks for sharing your personal portable amp preference to drive the HD650 on an iPhone5 and MacBook Pro, being Duet/Picollo/E11K. Very nice that you gave here three different price ranges for the best quality and fit.
Are you also willing to share with me your personal three most up-to-date portable amp preferences to drive the DT770AE/32 best? I understood that this headphone is very sensitive to amping. I’m afraid for a hot treble or a hollow sound for this headphone, and I do like a good firm bass. Many thanks in advance!
L.
Duet
C5
Picollo
Jort Ruhof
In that exact order? And the Matrix Mini Portable would it come to you on 4th place? Mike wrote enthusiastically about it’s fit with the DT770AE/32. Thanks.
L.
they are amps, not DACS.
Matrix mini is very nice indeed. The top 3 I said was just 3 price categories
there are so many amps, I can’t suggest them all
L.
No. just 3 suggestions for each price category. you can rank them yourself according to their price
Michael Dowling
Hey Lieven and Mike! Huge thanks for all your insightful words. I was wondering if you ever put pleathers on an 80 ohm 770? I put some on mine and the sound is much darker, the treble easier and the bass a bit punchier. Much closer to how you describe the 32 ohm. I wonder if the pads are the thing…? Thanks again for all the great work you do in articulating our hobby.
L.
Hi Michael,
The 80ohm version is known for having the most bass (besides the M version perhaps). With the pleathers you would indeed get even more pronounced bass. The 32/AE version shouldn’t come that close in the bass section. And thanks!
Michael Dowling
They’re certainly a lot less fatiguing on the treble end. I really like the difference. I think I’ll have to try the 32 ohm one day!
Nat PML
L, we love this headphone. Everyone wantsto use it, so we consider buying another one. It’s a shame, as I’d rather discover new headphones.
Is there a higher end DT770, a big brother whose sound is similar, just better in Beyerdynamic’s catalog ? (reading your T90, I wondered if it could be the one)
L.
No there isnt. T90 is audiophile detail level and spicy treble. THe DT880 doesn’t match either. The DT770 sound is so typical it’s not in the other models.
Nat PML
Thank you for the great answer.
I will probably wait my personal taste evolve before trying one of those then, some ears education is needed.
dalethorn
I like the AKG K712 a lot, although it sounds different from the DT770. The discounts are good now.
sasa208
This looks like a wonderful headphone, thank you for the great review!
However, I have some difficulty in finding them. I have just tried the NAD viso HP50
and I liked them very much. Within my price range of 200 euro’s at the moment. I also tried the B&W P7, and they sounded even a bit better in the mids and highs to me, more neutral maybe. But to expensive.
Comparing the NAD especially and the P7 to this headphone, which one would you take, what is the difference?
Thank you again!
dalethorn
I think you would find the DT770 better long-term than the P7, especially in the bass. The HP50 would be better as a lifestyle sound (like the Momentum) and the DT770 better for detail.
sasa208
Thank you Dale. Do you mean the DT770 AE specifically or also the regular DT770 Pro’s? The regular Pro’s can be had for just 120 euro’s now, less then the HP50’s. The DT770 Pro AE is hard to find and more expensive as the HP50’s.
The HP50 would be the safe choice for me, as I have already tried them and I like them a lot. The DT770 Pro AE edition intrigue me however 🙂
dalethorn
I haven’t heard any DT770 except the 32 ohm anniversary edition. The impedance won’t make much difference if you have a capable amp, but the earpads will make a difference. Velour versus pleather makes a big difference. But if you like the HP50, which I think of as a very normal headphone, you might not like the DT770, since it’s very different.
sasa208
Thank you all very much for the info! 🙂
Marc
You’re welcome guys!
Marc
I have the DT770 AE and had the 770 Pro 80. The AE is clearer an detailed. The 770 Pro 80 has tighter bass, but its sound is more v shaped and grainy. Go for AE.
L.
Thanks Marc
John B
I can’t find the DT770 AE anymore online, but found the DT 770 32 ohm (non-AE) instead. How do these compare to the DT-770 AE ? are the differences just about design and packaging ? Do they sound different ?
http://www.amazon.com/Beyerdynamic-DT-770-PRO-32-Headphone-Monitoring-Applications/dp/B008POFOHM/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1418658782&sr=8-2&keywords=dt+770
Thanks a lot !
Headfonia_L.
I must have answered this question a hundred times 🙂
Yes, the 32 ohm version sounds identical to the AE version. Beyerdynamic confirmed it as well. They made the 32 ohm version because the AE was a huge hit.
You will enjoy it for sure, it still is my nightstand headphone
George Lai
99 actually ;-}
Headfonia_L.
Euhm?
Ilja Dudinov
Hi Lieven,
Have you had any experience with DT 990 Pro 250Ohm or DT 990 Edition 32Ohm? I’m looking to get Beyer A20 amp and connected it to my E10K. I’m a clear mid- and treble junkie, but also like a good bass. In these terms how would closed 770AE fare against 990Pro/Edition? I know they’d have different signature, but my preference is European electronic music (70’s like Space, Jean Michel-Jarre, etc.), good rock oldies FLAC’s and other vinyl rips
Any input you can share?
Headfonia_L.
I have the DT770AE, I sold my DT990/600. The 990’s are more v shaped than the DT990, I think you would like the DT770 more with the A20, as you say you like mids
Ilja Dudinov
Yeah. All I can check on demo stands around here is Shure and Sennheisers, Beyers purchase first only 🙂 I’m this guy with old HD215’s that once to buy ultimate music listening cans for under 250EUR
So DT770 Pro 32Ohm are the same tech as AE, correct? Comments below pretty much state that, but there’s no PRO part in them comments below. If yes, then I probably order them.
Thank you!
Headfonia_L.
Did you look at the picture? 😉
Yes the PRO 32 is the same as the AE version, except for the logo and box. It’s selling for 145€ right now
Ilja Dudinov
No, I didn’t come here to look at the pictures. I came here to annoy you and I’m succeeding 😉
Thank you for recommendation! Ordered them.
P.S. if I won’t like them, I’ll find you where you live and make you listen to Rick Astley for 6 hours straight! I promise!
Headfonia_L.
I like Rick, he’s back from my teen years. Even went to one of his gigs a few years ago 😀
Ilja Dudinov
Another question. I see you’re crazy about HD650’s. So for critical listening where every frequency matters you still prefer closed phones? Just curious
Headfonia_L.
it’s a mix of both closed and open, dynamic and ortho. For critical listening most important is that you know your headphone 100%
Ilja Dudinov
Got my DT770 Pro 32. Comparing to my Senn HD215 it’s definitely night and day. Althought they don’t look like much 🙂
So much more mid-trebles if I could call them this. And bass…oh man. Smoooooth like butter. And it’s semi-mid-fi. Just wow, man! Thank you for this review. Made my day. Again 🙂
Headfonia_L.
Glad you like it, it’s a great headhone
Ant
Hi, sorry if you answered this question already. How do these compare to the dt770 600 ohm version? Thanks for your help!
Headfonia_L.
I don’t think I ever listened to the 600 ohm version of the DT770, sorry
Ant
Ok, thanks for your time.
dalethorn
If the earpads change, that makes a big difference. Beyer uses pleather, velour, fabric, etc.
Ant
Have you listened to both versions?
dalethorn
Lieven has not. I have not. Probably Nathan has not. One guy you could try is Edd at Noble Hi-Fi (google it). He has quite a bit of info there, and even though his site may be out of date generally, it should be good for the 770/880/990 series.
Ant
Thank you Dale! Ill check it out
dalethorn
I went to Noble – they didn’t review the 770, but they mentioned it in the 880 review. I went to the Beyer site and they show the 80 to 250 ohm models with velour earpads, and the 32 ohm with pleather pads. I prefer pleather because it doesn’t accumulate sweat and change the sound after a time. Amazon has a sale on the 770-32 for about $135.
Edit: If you check the review comments, I think you’ll find that the 770-32 is the most popular headphone ever at Headfonia.
Ant
I actually had them at one point. I really liked them. Ive been looking for a good set of closed cans that’ll match up with my woo wa3. I found a set of 600 ohm i was thinking of buying. Have you heard the DT1770 yet?
dalethorn
No, but if I do hear anything good I might order it. The DT770-32 has a lot of detail for a non-Tesla headphone, and I think the 1770 is Tesla, so it has a lot of potential.
Headfonia_L.
The DT1770 nis a mix of the T1 and the DT770. also look at the LCD XC
Ant
I’m definitely leaning towards the dt1770. Just waiting on the HFN review 🙂
Headfonia_L.
Why do you want 600Ohm?
Ant
My desktop amp is a woo audio wa3. I figured the high impedance would work better since it is an OTL.
Taisser
Have you tried the dt770 pro 32 since this?
Lieven
Yes. I even have another one coming in next week
Mateo
Would a good pair with the Cayin n3 in high gain, without the need of an amplifier? The boomy bass could be controlled?
Fabio
I ordered the dt770 32 ohm, 6 years of waiting were too much. LOL
The headphones I like the most: Sennheiser hd600, Sennheiser hd25, Shure se215.
Usually, I like mid-forward headphones and I hope the dt770 32 does not sound too V-shape, just slightly.
I’ll get them tomorrow, we’ll see 🙂
Musikverein
By the way, I just replaced my old and dying 32ohm Version with a new(studio oriented) 250 Ohm Version since it has reached a sensational nice <120€ Level.
I am running it wit a Dragonfly Red in my second office.
This retro/eternal comfort and the sound is still a m a z i n g. And they obviously tuned it over the years which made them even better.
Plus, I listened to an Aeon Closed recently for comparison and while I might say there is a significant difference in terms of technicalities and a smooth and balanced soundscape –
the gap is not that wide.
Lieven
That’s a really good price indeed. Still a great headphone
Musikverein
Yep. I would go as far as to say the best closed can at this pricepoint.
I am actually surprised that the 250Ohm one is that fine. Less grainy on top and with a deeper, yet less hollow, more realistic soundstage.