Changing pads has been popular for Grado and Alessandro owners who want to improve the sound of their headphones. The pads alternatives include comfies pads, HD414 pads, TTVJ flats, Headphile C-Pads, Grado Bowls, and Grado GS1000 Jumbo bowls. Currently, I have Grado bowl pads and Jumbo bowls in addition to the stock comfies that comes with the MS1i. Changing the pads will indeed change some characteristics of the sound, but is it for the better?
Left: Alessandro MS1 with comfies. Right: Alessandro MS1i with comfies.
Left: Alessandro Ms1 with bowl pads. Right: Alessandro MS1i with Jumbo bowls.
I first tried changing the comfies pads to bowls. While the general Grado sound signature is maintained, the sound loses a little bit of warmth. There is some reduction in midbass and mids, which were very forward, while a touch of treble sparkle is now added. This results in a less full-bodied but clearer sound; and the better-controlled midbass actually improves instrument separation on some tracks. All in all, which one is better between the comfies and the bowls really depends on your preference, recordings, and moods. Some recordings sound better with comfies, some better with bowls. However, after having the MS1i for a while, I prefer the extra control of the bowl pads more times than not over the forward midrange and slamming mid-bass of the comfies. I also tried swapping some Jumbo pads to the MS1i. I like the change in bass, it sounds more accurate with a deeper tone and better control. The improved soundstage though nothing extraordinary is still very welcomed for many genre of music. The deal-breaker is that the mids sound distant and the treble at times can be strident. These glaring flaws makes the Jumbo bowls the least preferable pads to use with my MS1i.
Currently, the Alessandro website is selling both the MS1 and the MS1i, and a question begs to be asked: is the new MS1i worth the extra $10 over the MS1? Apart from different housing chamber, I don’t really notice any other visible difference between the two. The cable, headband, and jack are the same. However, when listening to them side-by-side, there are some noticeable difference worthy to note. The biggest difference is that the MS1i has an added midbass compared to the MS1. This bumped midbass of the MS1i is an added fun for some songs, but when the music gets complex, it sometimes gets in the way of instrument separation. In addition to the midbass, the MS1i also maintains a very slightly darker, weightier, and warmer tone compared to the MS1. Summing it up, if you want a little bit more slam, go with the MS1i, but if you like your bass a bit tighter and value a slightly brighter tone, go with the MS1. On a side note, if you plan to pair the Alessandros with bowl pads, the MS1i with its warmer tone is a better match than the MS1. Keep in mind that these two headphones still sound quite similar, only tweaked a little differently here and there. It is hard to say which one I like more, and I myself wonder why the MS1i has to be priced $10 more expensive than the MS1. However, much like the original MS1, this MS1i is still a good headphone that is worth the look if you are looking for $100 headphones or if just want to try the Grado sound.
System for auditioning:
Headphones: Alessandro MS1i, Alessandro MS1
Source: Ipod Nano 1st Gen, Pioneer CLD-1570K
Amplifier: Pioneer VSX9500s
Thanks for winsome for making this review possible.
denging
Well, quite often I see people underrate the musical power that lounges beneath the MS1's exoskeleton. Being an Alegrado Fanboy myself and a proud owner of Alessandro MS1, I think your review is somewhat inspiring. Despites the fact that synergy is the key to every magical, sweet moment we have experienced inside this so called realm, thx for being neutral and uncolored in reviewing those Grado House's piece of art Mike. Looking forward to reading some more balanced review from you man.
Mike
Thanks dude. The MS1s are indeed special. A bit underrated these days.
Hadi wrote this one though. 🙂
labilabi
Yeah Mike, Jaben bundle, i brought it to our last grato minimeet. I see, i heard jena cable is expensive. So maybe i’ll keep it as what it is, and burn it long enough and hope it will be better. Maybe the placebo effect helps me :). Thx anyway. Btw, good site, keep the good work mike.
Mike
Try the HD25-1. It has the Grado agressive sound, but not as piercing. Bass is also punchier. 🙂
labilabi
nice review, good english too 🙂
i own ms1i metal mod, can't compare much to the stock one, coz i only heard it in minutes. But i can say the stock one is smoother, too smooth maybe (is smooth always a good thing?), n detail.
The only reason i bought metal mod is to get more bass, as reviews say so. The metal mod appearance is much bigger, with distancer, and .. much HEAVIER ! The heavy could be the dealbreaker if i knew it before. You can't move easily when using it, and easily fatique your neck. I think i just need get use to with it.
The sound? With comfy, the bass is much and good, as i expected, the detail and sharp are still there, less smooth than the stock, but more spirit in attacking your songs and your ears. More fun. Good for me.
With jumbo pad, the bass drops, more clearer and wider stage, but also more sibilant, and sharper. I think distancer and jumbo pad is a bad combination.
Do you have any idea how to make it less sharp? Recabling? If yes, what kind/brand of cable? Thanks.
Mike
Are you talking about the Jaben metal mod? Grado is known for the sharp treble, with the exception of the HP1000 and the HF2. I don't think you can change that character by a recable job. Perhaps a good copper wire like the Jena can help a little, but definitely it won't make the Grado into a smooth headphone.
sk1887
Thanks for this review, I now know I need to find headphones with good soundstage, as I love classical music.
Mike
The AD700 is even better for soundstage size, but it lacks bass impact.
http://www.headfonia.com/audio-technica-ad700-rev…
Sean
Another great review! I’m really glad I found this site and truly enjoy reading your articles. As a headphone enthusiast myself, I also own the Alessandro MS1 (original, not the MS1i). While digging around the Internet, I found several interesting facts.
1) MS1 uses the Grado UF/106/92 32Ohm (Grado 32) driver. I can see the words printed through the plastic mesh.
2) It is confirmed the much higher end Grado 325i uses the same driver! Look at the picture here (http://blog.goo.ne.jp/macmach1/e/021aca7fd60dbf055cc41f911e8f3fcd) The site is in Japanese, so, you will have to use translate.google.com.
3) It is also confirmed that the new iGrado also uses the same drivers. Check out the following site (http://bbs.headphoneclub.com/archiver/tid-107991.html) again, in Chinese, so need to translate.
4) Could it be? Grado is importing these drivers from Taiwan? I found the following export/import manifest:
http://fob123.com/show-customs/ANQIKA090126800-17274564_f15
Again, site in Chinese. However, it clearly shows that the speakers are UF 106 92 32Ohm. This final link is speculation however.
That said, the MS1 must be a real bang for the buck, if it uses the same drivers as the 325i.
Anonymous
Hey Sean,
There has been much speculation that the entry level grados share the same driver as the high end models, but your links are the first one that gives a more solid proof. Interesting indeed. So far we only thought that the MS1 shares the same driver as the Grado SR125, but nothing higher.
Sean
Hey Mike,
What’s more interesting is that I suspect that the Grado drivers are made in Taiwan (Amazing what a little googling can do.). This seems to be contrary to what John Grado is claiming. If you look at http://fob123.com/show-customs/ANQIKA090126800-17274564_f15
you will see that a container (243Kg) of the UF 106 92 32Ohm speakers being shipped from Kaoshiung (Taiwan) to SYOSSET NY11791 US (via the Port of Tacoma) and Syosset NY is roughly 36mi away from Grado’s HQ and Factory. Assuming that each driver is roughly 24 to 26 grams each, this container must have contained roughly 10,000 drivers arriving at Grado around mid Feb 2009.
Although these are all just guesses, but there are too many hits.
Please note, not that it matters at all, the Grado sound is still sublime for rock and I still love my MS1.
Hope this has been interesting….
Sean
Anonymous
Hang on, I’m trying to translate the pages and see what it says.
BTW, Got a picture of the MS1’s UF/106/92 driver?
Sean
I can try to take a picture of my MS1 when I get home. However, the drivers are behind the plastic mesh and a wire, it maybe hard to see….. If I do get a picture that is legible, how do I send it to you?
Anonymous
[email protected] should do it. 🙂
Sean
Hey Mike,
Okay, some macro pictures of the MS1 drivers sent. Not the clearest (due to the plastic mesh) however, you can make out the words. In real life, you can see the printing quite clearly.
Have fun!
Sean
Anonymous
Yo Sean,
You’re good man… :thumbs up: :thumbs up:
Sean
Sorry, the link on (2) above has an extra character that broke it. The unbroken URL:
http://blog.goo.ne.jp/macmach1/e/021aca7fd60dbf055cc41f911e8f3fcd
steve kenney
Just got my MS1i’s…….definately run them in for a good few hours first, you will be dissapointed with them out of the box, but they get soooo much better after a few hours!, i listen to a lot of 70’s rock and these are the best sounding cans ever for guitars. Great service from Alessandro, ordered on their website, paid $20 more for express shipping (couldn’t wait!) but they will ship worldwide for free, they arrived less than a week later to the UK via FedEx fully tracked since they left Alessandro. Really pleased with them so far….
Anonymous
Thanks for sharing, Steve!
DodgersKings323
Can’t decide between the 60/80/Ms1 for rock and metal, already have the AD700s for classical.
Anonymous
The MS1 has been quite popular with the local crowd who also listens to Metal and Rock. It seems to be the better all rounder than the entry level Grados. The non I version has a better bass articulation and so it would be a better choice for Metal.
Donunus
Even when using the bowl pads, the original ms1 is still more articulate? I was thinking the standard ms1 had less bass which makes it seem more articulate only when using the stock comfy pads.
Mike
Sorry, what? I got lost there.
Donunus
I was just asking since the stock comfy pads(S-Cush) make the bass a little fatter than the bowl pads(L-Cush) that whether the ms1 you say has more controlled bass than the ms1i are using those stock pads. When these cans are fitted with the bowl pads, they do make the sound tighter and leaner and actually make the older ms1 a little lean in the bass. I was wondering then if the newer ms1i would sound better suited with the bowl pads vs the older ms1.
The much more expensive HF2 for example sound less tight in the bass vs even the sr60s when using those comfy(S-Cush) pads and were tuned to sound good with their own bowl pads. I’m basically asking if the ms1s behave the same way as the higher end models in that way.
Mike
Don’t the MS1 (and MS1i) both come with the comfy stock?
And if you change it to the bowl then you would get that change in the sound — just the way you described it. I think this applies to all Grado models. Bowl pads = more spacious, leaner, more articulate. Comfy = fatter, fuller sound.
But obviously the higher end models are tuned together with the bowl pads that they ship with. Hence you still get a good bass punch even with the bowl, whereas this is not the case with the MS1 and the SR60.
You’ll be surprised though, how close the MS1-i sounds to the MS-Pro when you change it to use bowl pads.
Donunus
ANSWER TO POST BELOW 🙂
Yup they both come with stock comfies. What I was getting at is that since you mentioned that the old ms1 may be more articulate than the ms1i , this makes me think that the newer ones could sound better with bowls than the older version because the higher end cans that are tuned for the bowls are usually fatter and seemingly less articulate than the cheaper models when you put comfy pads on them.
Mike
That’s a good point, Donunus.
So basically you’re suggesting that MS1-i with bowl pads may have better articulation than MS1 with comfies.
I never did that comparison, but the MS1-i sound very good with the Bowl pad — that I can confirm.
Donunus
Answer to below… I was just suggesting that the ms1i may be better than the ms1 when both are using bowls because the fatter less articulate sound on comfys translates to a more balanced sound with bowls. And the old ms1 may sound a little too thin with bowls vs the ms1i 🙂
Ryanadiputra
got this one from jaben store @ surabaya mike 🙂 , pretty good sounding, and well yes, not quite comfortable with the pads, but definitely worth buying 🙂
Anonymous
It is still one of the best deals around, Ryan. 🙂
Ryanadiputra
well yes 🙂 , jaben said, i need to play some music for few hours to make it sound good 🙂 , but yes, this headphone is far better than my Samson SR850, i loveeee open headphones :p
Anonymous
Yes, actually the Grados and Alessandros are the most open sounding among even other open-back headphones. I bet you are truly enjoying the sound. The MS1i, I think I need to add that to the Recommendations list, it truly is one of the best, tested by time, out there.
Eskimoo
hi Mike,
i found this unit’s sound quite impressing .
what mods we can apply to make Ms1i less muddy, soundstage widen & got bit depth, separation better?
at least not so cramped & muddy like original.
Anonymous
Change and get the RS-1 style pads. Or you can go really big for the PS1000 style pads, but it’ll kill the midrange.
Anonymous
uhhh, seems RS-1 the ‘safe’ one.
Anonymous
Yes I think so too.. The PS1000 style pads are impressive due to the soundstage at first (also they seem to boost treble) but after a while they are not too fun.
Anonymous
over-modification things sometimes disturb the “balance” from genuine-design.
oh i forgot, you talked about pad-modifications, how about the “bowl” ?
AhUmmm
Hi Mike,
what is the best desktop-amp for MS1i: Matrix M-Stage, Graham Slee Novo or Little Dot II?
Talking about portable-amp, what is the best: JDSLabs Cmoy, Fiio E17 or Digizoid Zo?
Mike
AhUmmm,
There is no best amp for any headphone, just like there is no best headphone for any music.
http://www.headfonia.com/a-guide-to-headphones/
AhUmmm
You’re right Mike, i asked a wrong question (my english is poor)…
I’m considering buying one desktop amp and one portable amp to power my MS1i.
I listen rock, jazz and eletronic music.
I’m looking for a dektop-amp with a RCA output to be used as a pre-amp, my budget is 350/400 dollar. I’m considering to purchase one between: Matrix M-Stage, Graham Slee Novo and Little Dot II. If you were in my shoes, what would be your choose?
Thanks
Mike
I would go with the Novo for the MS1. But the RCA out is not a pre-amp out, it simply is a parallel chain that passes the input signal to another device.
Papoom Vibhatasilpin
Hi Mike,
I’m own ms1i and listen to all genre of music but listen to rock most. Now I’m thinking about moving for M50. I wondering is it the right move?
Mike
The M50 is cleaner and better technically, but I think the MS1i is the more fun sounding.
Papoom Vibhatasilpin
I’ve decided to keep MS1i and buy Audio-Technica TAD500. I wish you will review Audio-Technica TAD500 someday.
Mike
Thanks Papoom,
I heard the TAD300, was alright though it is very entry level. I can imagine the TAD500 being better.
Le Nguyen Phi
It have a nice sound with very nice mid though. Bass is neutral and a little bit light. I drive it with Fiio e18 and it sound okay for most genres.
JD
Loved the review, but with these having an open back and leaking a lot of sound. Is there a closed back headphone that would be comparable that I could ware on subways and in a library?
Mike
Hi JD,
Not quite comparable but the popular closed back for subways and library you can check out the ATH M-50, Sennheiser HD380Pro.
Ricardo Abdallah
Awesome review! I have a pair of those and I love it!
I have a doubt, do you think that a DAC will improve the sound quality of these headphone? I was looking for HM 101, because it’s a bargain and offers great quality, especially an improvement on soundstage… I don’t know, is there another (cheap, because I live in Brazil rs) dac better for this kind of headphone? I hava a macbook pro and listen mainly Classic, Hard and progressive rock, and some kind of heavy metal.
Thanks a lot, and sorry about my english!
Mike
The HM101 amp is underpowered. You’ll get better results with the Fiio E07K.
No problem with the english, Ricardo!
Ricardo Abdallah
Thanks a lot! Now I’m curious about this Fiio! I’ll see it!
Mike
You’re welcome, Ricardo!