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  • Eric Thompson

    So just letting you know I would love a budget DAC/Amp should out, maybe even limited to USB power. Like a E10K vs E07k vs old and new E17 vs E09+said amps vs Dragonfly vs Fostex HP-A4 vs Audinst stuff? Kind of wondering how much its worth to spend on which one.

    • Eric Thompson

      Don’t forget the Fulla

    • http://dalethorn.com dalethorn

      If I wanted to use a small amp directly with a phone etc., the E17k would be great. For laptop computer use, the D3 or Microstreamer would be better. But some headphones might not play loud enough on USB power alone, so the E17k or another amp with its own internal power might be better, in a few cases. Or, a combination like the Microstreamer and Portaphile Micro amp is better yet.

  • Elliott

    What do you guys think about the sennehiser urbanite XL or the momentum over ear or even the hd589. Ive also looked at the ultrasone hfi 780. I plan on using these without an amp for travel and home listenign. Closed is prefered and under 250. Thanks

    • http://www.headfonia.com/ Headfonia_L.

      How about the SoundMagic HP100 or HP150. Or the B&O H6

      • Eric Thompson

        H6 is $400 still isn’t it?

        • http://www.headfonia.com/ Headfonia_L.

          2nd hand?

          • Eric Thompson

            I guess, although personally if going that route I would shoot for the B&W P7

            • http://dalethorn.com dalethorn

              H6 and P7 were frequently compared when they first came out, but they’re two different worlds. I would always choose the H6, not because it has the best sound (very different from the P7), but because the long-term comfort is far better.

              • http://www.headfonia.com/ Headfonia_L.

                I’m with Dale on this.

    • Eric Thompson

      The 598’s are open, the momentums are great, a little forward in the vocals and the whole bass region is slightly boosted so it isn’t the punchiest like Grado’s or HD25’s or the M100’s but they sound very good anyway. The only major issue with them is even tho they are over ear the cups are small and can hurt after like 3 hours or more, possibly worse if you have large ears.

    • Elliott

      Any views towards sennehiser urbanite xl?

      • http://www.headfonia.com/ Headfonia_L.

        Not at all, maybe the HD DJ series

        • http://dalethorn.com dalethorn

          I sure wouldn’t recommend the Senn HD8DJ if fidelity is an issue.

    • http://dalethorn.com dalethorn

      I had the Momentum Senior, which is allegedly around-ear (same as over-ear? nobody seems to know about that, since it doesn’t go around the ear. What does “over ear” mean to you?)

      Anyway, I would start with something like the HD600, then reduce the fidelity for the ‘lifestyle’ kind of sound, then reduce the fidelity once again to get the sound of the Urbanite. And then I wonder if it really goes around the ear?

      • Elliott

        So are you reccomending the urbanite? So far I cant see anything wrong with them. Thanks

        • http://dalethorn.com dalethorn

          I’d like to have one, but I don’t want to spend a bunch of money to get a headphone with low fidelity, marketed as “urban” or “lifestyle” sound. For that sound I could buy the Noontec Zoro II, for $99.

          • Elliott

            Ive seen videos of the good quality and they dont look like pieces of plastic. Any other ideas of similar products except with higher fidelity

            • http://dalethorn.com dalethorn

              That’s also true of Momentum Senior and Junior – excellent physical quality. Probably the best lifestyle headphones are the B&W P7, B&O H6, Momentum Sr., and I haven’t tried the HP50 as yet. I’m very much enjoying the B&O H2 now, which I’ll bet sounds better than the Urbanites.

        • http://www.headfonia.com/ Headfonia_L.

          I wouldn’t call them hi fi, more low to mid (maybe)

  • Elliott

    Would the Sennheiser urbanite xl be worth it?

    • http://www.headfonia.com/ Headfonia_L.

      Depends on your definition of being worth it

  • http://dalethorn.com dalethorn

    I bought a Bose QC25 (you probably shouldn’t – for music anyway), after putting the headphone on in the Best Buy store, with no music playing. The noise canceling is phenomenal – better than anything I’ve ever heard. It plays in passive or active mode. I haven’t shook down the active mode sound quality yet, but in passive mode the $99 Noontec Zoro II is slightly better, and the $200 B&O H2 is much better.

    • http://dalethorn.com dalethorn

      I did a shakedown of the QC25 in Active mode – as best I could measure, the Active mode sound seemed more even (flatter) than the passive mode sound, but actually didn’t sound as good. The QC25 isn’t an audiophile sound in any case, and “re-tuning” it is very difficult, since Bose already uses electronic equalization in addition to the Noise Canceling.

      • http://dalethorn.com dalethorn

        Addendum: The QC25 doesn’t go dead quiet in Active mode – the DSP has a white noise background that’s pronounced in quiet places. From what I can tell, even though the music is usually many db above the hiss level and I don’t hear the hiss intruding noticeably during playback, it’s not like Dolby that’s suppressed dynamically in quiet passages – it’s there all the time. So, for listening on a jet plane the Active mode is great, but in less noisy places where headphone isolation is good (not the QC25 BTW), an isolating headphone is a much better choice.

        • http://dalethorn.com dalethorn

          And then it gets worse: I’m sitting under a freeway bridge, and sometimes when vehicles pass overhead they hit areas of the road that make a strong thump, and those thumps aren’t just intruding (because the NC doesn’t cancel deep bass much, if at all), those thumps are modulating something in the music or NC circuits. Very annoying. I wish I could record the sound this headphone makes when someone slams a car door nearby. Ouch!!

  • Marc

    So I just got my new Senn HD 800s and I paired them with an Alo MK 3 and an Algo Solo -db…the quality of the sound is quite breathtaking, however I have the set up on max and still want more volume!…can anyone guide me?

    • http://dalethorn.com dalethorn

      I had the HD800 for 3-1/2 years, but always underpowered myself. The interesting thing is, you can hear much of its superior detail on whatever amp you have, but when your power is limited then your dynamics are limited and you lose some of that detail. Most of the small amps – amps under $1000 are specified in milliwatts output in the midrange of ohms, and the HD800 needs more than that. There are a lot of desktop amps, most kind of pricy.

      If I were determined to go cheap, I personally would get the O2 plus ODAC combo in a single enclosure. Above that price level you might go for one of the Bursons.

  • Marc

    Dalethorn thanks…solid state or tubed?….my goal is to make my ears bleed or close to it, but obv clean….I also plugged straight into my amp, but quality dropped and levels did not appreciably rise, thanks again

    • http://dalethorn.com dalethorn

      Normally I prefer tubes, but the quality and details vary. Now if you have patience and money, the Blue Hawaii is a prize. The WA7 Fireflies is something I’d like to get. Sennheiser sells their DAC/amp for the 800 for $2000, and I’m sure it’s a good match to the HD800, but a good tube amp will be as good or better for a lot less. Most tube amps have lots of power, for the simple reason they need so much to heat the tubes. I haven’t heard most of the tube amps reviewed at headfonia, but there may be a few of those that would be good for the HD800, if you could narrow your choices.

  • Nickjan Glas

    hey L, Dale, Nathan and others,

    I have a question regarding my quest for a new headphone. In several reviews I have posted some ideas and questions and already got some useful insights, but to make sure I am headed in the right direction (and maybe get some more suggestions) I wanted to share where I am so far and ask what you guys think.

    The aimed use is purely at home, with the Meijer Corda Classic and several sources. Analogue LP, Denon UD player with internal DAC and maybe in the future with an added dedicated desktop DAC. My current headphone with this setup is the B&O H6.

    The music genre will be primarily if not exclusively (orchestral) classic, jazz, movie soundtracks. I expect the jazz and classical to be of above average recordings, the soundtracks I am not sure, but I imagine them also to be of above average quality.

    For my main characteristics, I like detail (not too analytical but clear), not too much bass (has to be contributing and not overemphasized). Soundstage I like to be better than the H6 for this purpose and overall I like it to be an upgrade compared to the H6.

    At the moment I have the sennheiser HD650 and Philips X2 as main candidates. (possibly the beyerdynamic DT770pro32 as extra) I have been looking at more high end headphones such as (but not particularly) audeze LCD XC, Hifiman HE-560, Denon D7100 (now on sale for 699) and fostex th600 etc.

    With those higher end I have some reservation based on the corda review that the HE500 was not the best match with the Corda (possibly because being a planar?) and also because off the different price classes they are in.

    I would appreciate any thoughts that might help me in this quest and maybe some other suggestions.

    thanks in advance. NJ

    • http://dalethorn.com dalethorn

      Focus on the headphone first, with fewer limitations. Granted the headphone you get might not be perfect for all of your sources, but you can work that out in time. First get the headphone you want. Your genres reflect my main interests, and the H6 is nearly perfect for those, given its size and limitations. If I wanted a slight upgrade from the H6 my first thought would be the AKG K712. After that, a planar like the HE-560 or possibly the HE-400i. After that, maybe the LCD XC or whichever of those is on sale at the time. I think all of those will have a midrange that’s very good – better than the H6 – and the treble should be just as good, but don’t forget that even a couple of decibels up or down on the bass can really have an impact on the midrange tonality or the treble brightness. When you’re in the upper strata of sound, a little bit this way or that can make a big difference. Don’t be like some people and buy 100 headphones trying to find the perfect one – the better more expensive really are better, but perfection isn’t there. And don’t assume you can try a bunch of them in stores or meets – you can learn a lot in meets, but you won’t really have a final impression of the sound until you’re in a very quiet place with no distractions at all.

      • Nickjan Glas

        Thanks for your insights. My amp was picked to match the H6, being neutral,clear and detailed. And that’s the direction I want to keep at this time.
        The limitations of auditioning is indeed an issue, as most headphones are not in stores here and I can only listen to them at meets. (as far as I know). I am looking for a clear upgrade as I already love the H6, but I ll use that one mainly everywhere but home, with portable gear.
        So based on your views (if I understand correctly) that would set me in the direction of the HE400i/560.
        The review of the 560 appeals to me as I see some similarities with the H6. Also the comparisons with the 400i gives me the feel I like the linear of the 560 better with the orchestral music. The bass descriptions worries me a bit though. How does that compare to the H6? Since it influences treble as you say.

        • http://dalethorn.com dalethorn

          Oh, definitely the HE-560 – I only mentioned the 400 for budget reasons.

          • Nickjan Glas

            Then the HE560 will also make my candidate list.
            From the reviews I imagined that the X2 would also be better than the H6 overall, that is why I started out with the similarly priced headphones and that made my shortlist.
            But a little more budget is no problem. If the audeze will come down a bit that will also be a candidate. So I ll keep a look out for reviews of the new one.

            I will take my time as I will first do some more research into what I have, what I like and what I might want differently or improved exactly. And than on to find auditioning opportunities.
            Thanks for your info, that already helped a lot.

  • InternetMythBuster

    This is probably a really dumb question, please bear with it.

    I’m not a huge audiophile but I do like & can tell when I hear audible difference in the quality of sound. This is for a desktop, I was looking into DACs and the FiiO E10K seems to to stand out, the price and the quality(according to your review) for a first timer who’s still a bit hesitant and a bit tight on budget.

    My question is, I have a pair of HD202, they’re obviously not high end but I’m quite satisfied with them. Would I see(or hear in this case) a benefit if I used the aforementioned DAC instead of the generic onboard mobo soundcard? i.e. is pairing the HD202s to the E10K which is no high end setup. My uses are music, videogames, movies, etc

    Thanks.

    • http://www.headfonia.com/ Headfonia_L.

      We all have to start somewhere. Even with the E10K you will here a significant improvemend in sound stage and detail. It might not seem obvious in the beginning, but you’ll see that when you change back to how things now are after 2 weeks, you’ll be amazed

      • InternetMythBuster

        Thank you, another question if I may. While currently I don’t find it affordable, if I were to get my hands on Objective2, would you consider that the better choice despite the H202s ‘quality’ so to speak, they’re cheap cans I mean. Trying to balance price/performance.

        • http://www.headfonia.com/ Headfonia_L.

          I would stick to the E10K

        • http://dalethorn.com dalethorn

          Don’t buy just the O2 amp – you’d need the O2 plus ODAC. I think it would be better than the FiiO (although I didn’t have the ODAC at the time), but a much better idea would be to get the FiiO first, then wait and upgrade to something better than the O2/ODAC.

          • InternetMythBuster

            Thanks L and dale.

      • http://dalethorn.com dalethorn

        That’s so true – you have to get used to the sound and then you’ll know what’s missing when you go back to the computer headphone jack.

  • Alton Britt

    I have recently purchased a Phillips Fidelio X2 for $299.99 and a Sennheiser HD600 for $260.00 with the idea of returning one for a refund. My problem is that they are both so good that it is very difficult to make a choice! FYI, I have a Vali/Modi combo, a Fiio E12, will be receiving a Magni 2 tomorrow, and also possess the Beyer DT990 Pro/250. Based on what you know, which headphone should I keep? Thank you for your response; I have about 14 days to make a decision!

    • Eugen

      You’re asking the internet to make a decision for you. Be a man and use your ears.

      • http://www.headfonia.com/ Headfonia_L.

        true but some advice is always helpful

        • Eugen

          What I gave was advice.

    • http://www.headfonia.com/ Headfonia_L.

      I’d keep the X2 over the HD600. But the HD650 would be kept over the X2.

  • Larry

    Hi,
    So I have a CL Theorem which I bought to use for travel. It’s great with full size cans but I get a little bit of hiss with IEMs. The hiss isn’t too bad unless it’s really quiet and can can be overcome with an inline variable resistor. That being said the Theorem is a bit bulky and it has less real use for IEMs vs full size cans. Is there another DAC/AMP that would be more useful with Apple gear and IEMs? All my portable audio equipment is apple so the Picollo wouldn’t work (I don’t think). Thanks!
    Larry

    • http://www.headfonia.com/ Headfonia_L.

      Picollo plus CLAS SOLO would, all CL gear. And you won’t need a CCK!

  • melphoi

    Hello.. I want to ask few questions before i decide to take a DAP for my daily use..
    Currently I have Fiio E07K and I’m planning to take the X3 as my DAP, the questions are :
    1.How is the result if I paired both of them via Line Out, is it getting better in all aspects or will it just doubled the amp which I think kind of waste
    2.Should I just sell my E07K and instead take Fiio X5, as a note I’m in a bit tight budget, and if the X5 is slightly better than X3 in terms of sound quality, I’ll just take the X3 unless the X5 is far better than X3
    Please forgive me for my english :)
    Thanks in advance

  • http://dalethorn.com dalethorn

    In the ads sidebar, there’s an Oppo ad that cycles between three items – the third being what looks like a pocket music player with “Oppo” on its case. But the Oppo site doesn’t show this item at all??

    • http://www.headfonia.com/ Headfonia_L.

      It’s the new amp Dale :)

      • http://dalethorn.com dalethorn

        It looks very cool – I wonder how it will perform.

  • Aris Darmawan

    Hi, I want to change my shure SE 215 SPE tips. Do you have any tips recommended for my shure? I want tips which seal perfectly in my ear so I won’t listen any ambient noise.

  • DTSxJP

    I need help deciding on a portable amp to pair with the Nano 6G. So which is better and wich one would you go with? Fiio E6 or the Topping NX1.

  • Markus Köhner

    does anyone here have experience with the sennheiser cx980?

  • Steven LaPidus

    Hello, I need your help in purchasing a new pair of head phones for my birthday. The last set I had was a Bose Noise Cancelling Set for when I travelled a huge amount on business especially on planes both large jets and small prop planes. I am now retired and I am partially deaf but am still interested in listening to high quality music. I am largely deaf in my right ear due to an acoustic neuroma. I hear approximately 20 percent in my right ear and it is very low quality. I do not hear much of the clear sound that defines the mid and high tones that would define voices or instruments. In my left ear I hear 45 percent but I can hear clearly the low mid and highs that defines the voices and instruments. When I am out and around I usually wear a Siemens behind the ear hearing aid with the RIC so that I can hear my wife talk to me, so I can hear conversations and so I can hear TV when sitting at home. At home I have a Yamaha receiver with B&W speakers and CD, DVD Audio and Blue Ray Audio players. I love to listen to Progressive Rock, such as Yes, ELP, Jethro Tull, and am a long term fan of Neil Young (I have seen him in concert over 50 times including at least once every time since 1976). I also play guitar in my church band and write music. I have a substantial collection of Jazz (Miles Davis, Big Band) and Classical (Full collection of Mozart, Haydn, Beethoven, Tschaikovsky, Vivaldi, Brahms,) with my favorite orchestras being the Academy of St. Martin in the Fields, and the larger Boston, NY, Philadelphia, Chicago, Atlanta, New World, LA, and other small groups. I enjoy listening to my CD collection over thousands of CD’s. I have a full collection of I Tunes. So I would like to get your recommendation for the following. I need a set of headphones that I can wear with my stereo when in the home now that my wife is working from home so that I can not bother her. Also when we take long drives in the car and I want to listen to my own music and the kids are listening to their own music I can listen in private from my computer collection. They should be comfortable because I am home on disability all day and the drives can be hours long. I would expect that they would be closed back. My expectation is that I would not have to wear my hearing aid with them so that they could cover my ears. Even though I have failing hearing I have a high quality collection of audio sources such as FLAC sources.. I was also thinking of buying one of the Fiio X1 devices or the Pono devices from Neil to add to my stereo system. I do have an I Phone that I use with my I Tunes collection. I was thinking of maybe a Sennheisser HD 280. I would appreciate your advice.

    • http://dalethorn.com dalethorn

      The advice has to come primarily from your audiologist. Once the audiologist has described the parameters of the headphone, then someone here can help you narrow the choices.

  • Marc

    Dalethorn, you responded to me before regarding my new hd 800 and were quite helpfully… I’m thinking on a shiit lyr 2 amp to power my phones and wanted feedback…also, I have an Alo -db dac and wonder if they work together and what u thought about the set up….thanks in advance…

    • http://dalethorn.com dalethorn

      It seems from what I can find that the Lyr2 would be a good match for the low end of the HD800, but the dry thin treble that Mike described might (or might not) work well. The HD800’s detail and sparkle will be heard on probably any amp, but a good amp that matches the HD800’s needs would be best. The only recommendations I can make after being away from the HD800 for 18 months now would be to get a decent tube amp, and the Lyr2 might get you there if you are willing to experiment with different tubes. Start with the stock tubes and then as time goes on try something different. The ALO DAC I don’t know, but I had the ALO Island and the DAC in it was very good.

      • Marc

        Ur kind…Steve G at CNET reviewed the lyr 2 nicely and the price was good…I was looking for something in that range…

  • socks mk2

    Hello, I’m considering swapping from an HD600 to an HD650 and would like your advice. I have recently read Mike’s ‘Old School Trio’ & ‘Sennheiser Trio’, Dave’s ‘Sennheiser HD650 Review’ and Lieven’s ‘Philips Fidelio X2 Review’. Originally I was looking into replacing my HD600’s headband with a HD650 headband due to hotspots, but at $130 I didn’t see the value in it. This led me to look into just flat out selling my HD600 and buying a HD650. Before I forget, thank you for doing the reviews.

    Aside from my HD600, I also own or have owned pairs of Beyerdynamic DT770/250, Beyerdynamic DT990/600, AKG Q701, AKG K7XX (massdrop) and Philips Fidelio X2 headphones. I have some Westone W40 IEM’s for isolation/portable use. I’m selling every pair except the X2 and W40. It took me a long time to figure out that I don’t like bumpy headbands, harsh treble, sibilance or a poor seal for my head size/shape. I want to just sit back, relax and enjoy the music when listening. Only the X2 and W40 deliver on that so far. I currently own a Schiit Modi + Asgard 2 and almost exclusively listen to CD rips (320 kbps mp3’s if I must).

    I kinda need the X2 for the low impedance and 3.5 mm connector as the PS4 won’t allow for a HD650 due to the way it’s party chat options work. I plan on attaching a v-moda boom pro microphone to the X2 just so I can talk with friends while gaming on the PS4. I have a Blue Mic Yeti as well, so that won’t be an issue on the PC.

    I guess my first question is do you suppose the HD650 and it’s different headband would avoid hotspots you may get from a HD600? For instance my Beyer’s don’t cause this issue, but the Q701 sure does. Second question is do you think my Modi + Asgard 2 would play nice with the HD650? Lastly, would you recommend against buying a HD650 if I’m keeping my X2? I think I would use them both depending on what I’m doing, but the HD650 is more limited to my PC exclusively. I’m a PC gamer first, but some friends are stuck with consoles and I accommodate to their platform to play with them too.

    I apologize if my post is rather long, but I think being specific will help you help me. Thank you for reading and I appreciate any and all replies. Cheers!

  • Xavier Hill Wilson

    Any new of the audeze el8 from you guys? Have any of you tried it? Any idea when a review will come?

    • http://www.headfonia.com/ Headfonia_L.

      From what I know they won’t be available before April. We have requested a review sample but no news yet.

  • foxesandcats

    Hello :) love your site, deeply informative. I’m in the market for some new earphones! My most recent pair were the excellent Phonak PFE232s. Albeit great, I found them lacking in bass and always felt a little frustrated by them. It’s like I knew their potential but I could just never get it through the inability to create a perfect seal etc. Anyway, so after an expensive trip to a coffee shop in which I left them on the counter ;( , I now need a new pair and am willing to spend on a pair in the range of Westone W40, Earsonics SM64 or the Nuforce Primo 8s. Which would you recommend most, or is there another pair I am overlooking? I mainly listen to house, techno, hip-hop, disco, funk, soul and drum and bass but delve into every genre at some point. I’d really appreciate you’re feedback! Thank you

    • Guest

      @headfonia_lieven:disqus any chance you could offer your opinion? thanks :)

      • http://www.headfonia.com/ Headfonia_L.

        Hi, thanks for the compliment. I’m actually thinking of recommending you a custom IEM. In this price range you can get a custom 4 driver that would be great for your genres. Check out 1964Ears Quad or the Cosmic Ears CE4E.

        Or do you really want universals?

        • foxesandcats

          Thanks so much for responding, didn’t mean to send you 2 requests! I’m not really looking for universals specifically, just want the best sound for my money! So if you recommend those 2 particular headphones then I’ll check them out. I can only find CE4P online, are they much different? is there also a huge jump in quality for the 6’s?

          • http://www.headfonia.com/ Headfonia_L.

            Here’s the other one: https://www.1964ears.com/product/1964-Qi-Custom-In-Ear-Monitor

            CE4E is the CE4P with extra bass, he only makes those on request

            The 6 is better ideed but it’s more expensive, a 4 driver is very nice sounding though, I love mine

            • foxesandcats

              Amazing, thank you! I’ve sent them a request and I’ll let you know how I get on!

              • http://www.headfonia.com/ Headfonia_L.

                great, keep us posted. Tell CE, L sent you ;)

    • foxesandcats

      @headfonia_lieven:disqus Any chance you could offer me your advice? Thanks :)

  • http://dalethorn.com dalethorn

    Anyone know about this new ‘Carbon’ headphone, made in England/U.K.?

    http://www.angleandcurve.com

    • http://www.headfonia.com/ Headfonia_L.

      Not me. first I see

      • http://dalethorn.com dalethorn

        I ordered one last week. Could be a huge disappointment, but I’ll let you know.

  • Xavier Hill Wilson

    Best closed headphones (need isolation), for electronic and hiphop (need good bass). For $150 USD. Looking at custom one pros.

    • http://www.headfonia.com/ Headfonia_L.

      Depends on your setup. COP could be good

      • Xavier Hill Wilson

        Wasn’t very detailed sorry. I’m looking for something that can be played on PA2V2 as well as my parents nad amp with these specs.

        NAD 3240PE

        Power output: 40 watts per channel into 8Ω (stereo)

        Frequency response: 20Hz to 20kHz

        Total harmonic distortion: 0.03%

        Damping factor: 50

        Input sensitivity: 3.5mV (MM), 160mV (line)

        Signal to noise ratio: 76dB (MM), 102dB (line)

        Source is ipod classic most likely.

        • http://dalethorn.com dalethorn

          COP is still a great choice, especially for the little amp. Watch out when using the NAD that there are no power spikes that could hurt the headphone. If you plug into the NAD with no music playing and you hear some background noise at a normal position of the volume control, then you’re getting too much power. But, it might be Ok, so check it out.

  • socks mk2

    Source: Schiit Modi/Asgard 2
    Headphones + gripe:
    DT770 = boring.
    DT990 = harsh treble, sibilant, awful.
    K712/K7XX = poor seal, too large.
    Q701 = skull decimating hotspot, poor seal, too large.
    HD 600 = moderate hotspot.
    X2 = none.

    I enjoyed the sound signature of the K7XX and K712, but they were too large. My DT770/990 fit great, but neither are enjoyable. My HD600 is maybe too neutral for my liking. I’ve read up on the HD650 and seen a few comparisons to the K702 annies and the K712. Their similarities have piqued my interest. As far as hotspots go, I don’t think the HD650 will cause one.

    I listen to a lot of punk rock, rock, metal, edm, trance, house and 95% of that is male vocals. A lot of it is also poorly mastered unfortunately. The K712, K7XX, HD600 and X2 handle them in a way that doesn’t cause me to cringe every 3 seconds. I do listen to some other genres, but not as much.

    Needless to say, I’m looking into buying an HD650 next and “cleaning house”. Would you recommend me some different pairs of headphones? Do you think the HD650 would be a good choice for me despite being “slow”?

    • http://www.headfonia.com/ Headfonia_L.

      To me your “problem” is more with the Schiit gear in stead of with the headphones
      I wouldn’t really recommend the HD650 for speedy music. Maybe the X2 is more your thing, and it’s easy to drive with those amps

      • socks mk2

        If it’s the modi/Asgard 2 clashing with the sound signature of the headphones I’ve been trying, I would be willing to scrap them both. I’ve only been pursuing this hobby for about 11 months now. I swapped from a magni to Asgard 2 for the active pre-amp as I also own some KRK Rokit 8G3’s (studio monitors). I’m selling every pair on that list except the X2, so if I sold my modi, Asgard 2, FiiO E18 and old asus soundcard… I might have a decent budget.

        If the HD650’s are no good for my usage, do you know of anything to send my way? I highlighted some comfort concerns due to size or hotspots. Is there anything else similar to or “better” than an AKG K712/Annie for my taste in music that you would recommend? My old ATH-M50s were wayyy too small, but AKG anything are slightly too large. Beyers touch all sides of my ear, but don’t cause discomfort. I do enjoy my new X2, but I’m not sure I want to stop with just them. I don’t think they’ll scale too much.

        As for dacs, amps, op-amps and the like I’m pretty much uniformed on what does what well other than matching mW/Vrms and impedance.

        I appreciate your input. Thanks again. If my request is too large, just let me know and I’ll understand too.

  • MennatAllah Humaid

    Hey! What do you think of the klipsch x11i?
    I’m thinking of getting them but I’m not sure if they are one of the best choices.

    • http://www.headfonia.com/ Headfonia_L.

      no idea actually, sorry

  • http://dalethorn.com dalethorn

    Got the FiiO E17k – so far I’ve just listened with the iPod Touch previous edition (iOS 6.x) with the L3 LOD cable, and compared it to the FiiO E07k, both on Aux input and all tone controls at zero, gain==6. I was surprised at the tonality difference – could be the E17k will burn-in and change a little. The difference isn’t huge at this point – the E17k sounds slightly ‘bigger’ – mostly I think the mids are emphasized slightly compared to the E07k. It almost makes the E07k sound a little less life-like going back to it, but OTOH the E17k may sound a bit too ‘crispy’ on music that’s marginal for sibilants and other such stuff.

  • http://dalethorn.com dalethorn
  • socks mk2

    I’m looking for a new DAC and AMP. I have a budget of somewhere between $700 and $1100 USD. My current daily driver is a pair of Philips Fidelio X2’s. I have some Westone W40’s and KRK Rokit 8G3’s (studio monitors) that I use as well.

    I listen to a lot of punk rock, rock, hardcore and metal. On occasion I’ll listen to dnb, trance, house and electro. A large majority of my music collection consists of male vocalists. I listen to 16/44.1 cd FLAC rips or the cd’s themselves. My edm collection is lossy between 256 kbps and 320 kbps. Some examples of my favorite artists/bands would be Finch, Disturbed, Taking Back Sunday, Blink-182, Sum 41, Avenged Sevenfold, 30 Seconds to Mars and Muse.

    I would like to avoid dry, analytical sound. A more dynamic, musical sound is preferable; at least that is my understanding for my preference in music. A pre-amp for the Rokit’s would be great on either the dac or amp. The Rokit’s inputs consist of RCA, 1/4″ TRS and XLR (any of the three are fine).

    Any and all suggestions are appreciated.

  • Xavier Hill Wilson

    Asked yesterday about getting cop, i’ve read some reviews and i’m not so sure.. I’ve heard good things about the Beyerdynamic DT 770 PRO 250 ohms, are they outdated? Also any news on the ATH MSR7s?

    • http://dalethorn.com dalethorn

      The relatively new Beyer DT770-32 ohm is a real pro headphone. As good as the COP is, it’s not something pro recording engineers are going to use for monitoring.

      • Xavier Hill Wilson

        So would you go with the 250 ohm or the 32 ohm driving mostly out of this beast

        NAD 3240PE

        Power output: 40 watts per channel into 8Ω (stereo)

        Frequency response: 20Hz to 20kHz

        Total harmonic distortion: 0.03%

        Damping factor: 50

        Input sensitivity: 3.5mV (MM), 160mV (line)

        Signal to noise ratio: 76dB (MM), 102dB (line)

        But also sometimes out of a fiio e11 or JDS Labs CMoyBB or PA2V2

        So which version would you got with and which amp would you get for it?

        • http://www.headfonia.com/ Headfonia_L.

          Your numbers are for the speaker output I suppose. will you be running it from the speaker taps?

        • http://dalethorn.com dalethorn

          One person who occasionally posts here is Donunus (hope I spelled it right), and he has noted in the recent past his experiences with vintage receivers and using headphones from their headphone jacks. I would never run from speaker taps unless a box were made for that purpose, since transients can cause damage to you and the drivers. The sound from their headphone jacks is often very compelling, since it’s usually a more analog-like sound – warmer, more impact etc. – especially in the bass. But I wouldn’t unless it were an important economic choice. I think that a low-cost tube amp like the Bravo Ocean would give you better sound than those headphone jacks, unless there were a reason to skip tubes entirely and just go to a solid state headphone amp.

  • http://dalethorn.com dalethorn

    A week or two ago I compared the FiiO E07k (which I’ve heard sounds slightly better than the E17 that was available at that time) to the new E17k, and using analog inputs the E17k has slightly more output in the vocal midrange, and a more ‘present’ sound, which I like. As best I could compare using them as USB DACs on my computer (I’m not able to switch between them instantly), the E17k has a bigger soundstage with significantly more presence, although that presence doesn’t sound like an emphasis. I didn’t compare the E17k to the Microstreamer or other DACs I have, but I’m very happy with the sound I am getting.

  • Xavier Hill Wilson

    Will alpha dogs have enough bass for dubstep trap and hip/hop?

    • http://dalethorn.com dalethorn

      If you get the bass ports advanced a couple of settings on the original Alpha Dog, it might work. Mine was set to the low setting and the bass was very weak. I never figured out how to reset them and I was worried about the warning that came with it.

      • Xavier Hill Wilson

        That’s a bitch… What would you recommend for those genre in closed back non sound leaking headphone, for about 312 USD. The alpha dogs are sort of a long way of my budget. I’m so nervous about buying lol, i’ve been thinking about it for ages and as a teenager I have shit all money. What would you say is best bang for buck? Dt770 32 ohm?

        • http://www.headfonia.com/ Headfonia_L.

          I think the Beyerdynamic COP would be ideal. more so than the DT770/32

          • http://dalethorn.com dalethorn

            Yes, good – does the bass good. I still have my COP in rotation.

        • http://dalethorn.com dalethorn

          Almost forgot – the Mad Dogs are half the AD price – same configuration, but with much better bass and a much better balanced treble too (not bright, not harsh). The Beyer COP is MUCH more portable though.

  • http://www.headfonia.com/ L.

    Did you just really post a link to head-fi and asked for our help?
    The minimum would be to repeat your question here mate ;)

  • g.

    Okay, apologies, it’s a long post explaining my situation so I thought a link would be more convenient. I’ll copy paste here:

    My current heaphones are knock offs of Sony MDR V6, so I was looking into something decent. My budget is limited, and my choices are as well, because I live in Argentina, so many good cans might not be available, and buying outside the country is a nightmare (products stolen, having to pay huge fees to get it in,
    etc).

    So all I can do is browse local sites and compare prices there (in pesos). The main site is this: http://www.mercadolibre.com.ar/

    Since I don’t have much to go on in terms of experience, I browsed a post with recommendations in Head-Fi and searched for all those cans in the site I just mentioned. These were the ones I found:

    $185 http://articulo.mercadolibre.com.ar/MLA-485383585-koss-auriculares-ur55-studio-_JM
    $395 http://articulo.mercadolibre.com.ar/MLA-491354019-auriculares-koss-portapro-_JM
    $425 http://articulo.mercadolibre.com.ar/MLA-484864058-auriculares-phillips-oneil-the-stretch-red-sho956010-_JM Do these actually sound good? They seem gimmicky
    $477 http://articulo.mercadolibre.com.ar/MLA-487091477-auricular-cerrado-para-moviles-beyerdynamic-dt-235-_JM
    $477 http://articulo.mercadolibre.com.ar/MLA-484996413-auricular-beyerdynamic-dtx-300-_JM
    $888 http://articulo.mercadolibre.com.ar/MLA-485386840-koss-pro-dj-100-auriculares-estereo-profesional-dj-_JM

    Those are the ones I could find that fit within my budget (around
    $900 tops). Just for reference, the Sennheiser HD25-1 II cost over
    AR$2000 and the HD202 are around $300-400.

    I mostly listen to classical music, prog rock, and jazz (and Dawn of Midi, which I can’t put into a genre).

  • dalethorn

    Your selections include the very poorly made and easily broken Beyer DTX300 and the very well-made Philips Stretch. But to cover all the issues and the sound qualities would take a year. But only a year if all the reviews were in one place and condensed without any extra chat. On headfi you would have to read through all the many pages of commentary, so figure 2 years for that. Or — you could go to Amazon and click on the reviews, then sort by most recent first, and then you would be reading the reader/user reviews first and skipping the manufacturer house reviews which are nearly always posted first. That’s where you should start, and get your list down to your 2 or 3 best choices.

  • g.

    Thank you for the reply. There aren’t a lot of places where you can test a variety of headphones around where I live. I’ll go to a store next week but it’s safe to assume I won’t find all these options. I’ve also checked the headphones recommended here and most are either not available or way too expensive, with the exception of the HD202 and the Koss Portapro. I will check the amazon reviews as well.

  • dalethorn

    I think the 202 and Porta-Pro are both good for sound, but in my experience the Koss will need occasional repair.

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